I'm digging this custom and might make it my first! Is there any info you can give about the leds?
Even more so with that limited edition one.
This board looks so amazing.. Excited about the caps you mentioned - alternate layouts like dvorak/colemak will not be supported i presume? :)Looks like they're DSA. Since they're flat profile you can swap letters between rows.
they are cherry replica. unfortunately you can't mix and match them... but you can always get some Granite :) A new batch is also coming next year.
hey matt3o, what about a 1.25x3 + 6.25 + 1.5x2 bottom row, to have no gap?
Would it be possible to get a pcb signed by you? I don't mind paying a little more for it if so :thumb:
Would be up for this too!Would it be possible to get a pcb signed by you? I don't mind paying a little more for it if so :thumb:
LOL! this is a first. I'll see what I can do :)
Will the back-lighting show through the aluminum case? Or are there acrylic inserts in the case?
And do you mind telling me what the diameter of the switch mounting hole is on the pcb?
As usual matt3o, you completely blow me away with your work. I'm more of a 60% guy, but this design may just convince me otherwise. Holy smokes this is awesome!
Damn. Loving the white and blue look!
A question though, will the limited edition support ISO?
Limited edition WhiteFox, available in only one layout (#5 the true fox)
Unfortunately we don't have an ISO with the gap in the arrow cluster.
Seems like it is only going to be available in layout 5, which does not support ISO because of the gap with the arrow cluster.
another thing, would you be interested in an assembly service? If so, how much would you expect it to be?
Regarding the limited edition, it will be likely available in only 1 layout (the true fox) which is an ANSI(-ish) layout.
I don't think (but I could be wrong) MD can sell a fully assembled keyboard because of FCC issues, but I (and maybe others) could help assembling the keyboard for the less tech savvy users.
Funnily enough, I'm the same as ika. Was moving towards 75%... Another 60 wouldn't hurt much, just my wallet. How long will the GB be open for?
Hnnggg... I had just sworn to move away from 60% boards and only use 75% and higher... and now you pull this out. I can hear my wallet crying already...
Any possibility of allowing a 1u win key on the bottom row on the left so then you can fit a 7u spacebar and get rid of that pesky gap?
Any possibility of allowing a 1u win key on the bottom row on the left so then you can fit a 7u spacebar and get rid of that pesky gap?
the PCB supports that, but we are not making the plate for that. there are a couple of layouts that don't include the gap anyway.
is it me or some posts were deleted during the night....Yeah , Geekhack went down and recovered with a lot of posts removed. Among them, the whole IC thread for the Ziptyze cases by Trenzafeeds....
okay so posting this again :)Oh my... must... resist...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3EpU5ky.png)
(special edition, not sure it will be made, but the case will be gold anodized)
Just wondering if the plates support a stepped caps lock or just the regular centered style?
Just wondering if the plates support a stepped caps lock or just the regular centered style?
again PCB does support that, but the plates won't be made (even though with some work you could cut some aluminum...)
is it me or some posts were deleted during the night....Yeah , Geekhack went down and recovered with a lot of posts removed. Among them, the whole IC thread for the Ziptyze cases by Trenzafeeds....
Good news / bad news situation.
Bad news: we won't make the gold edition. Sorry, I tried, but it adds a lot of work and we wouldn't make it by Christmas.
Good news: we will get FCC compliance, meaning that MD will offer a 100% full assembled WhiteFox. As far as I know this would be a first (but I might be wrong). Unfortunately I don't think it will be CE certified too. Also we will probably have a proper product box, no bubble wrap in generic box but a custom made packaging to fit all the components.
More good news: group buy starts next week! Hold tight!
Good news / bad news situation.
Bad news: we won't make the gold edition. Sorry, I tried, but it adds a lot of work and we wouldn't make it by Christmas.
Good news: we will get FCC compliance, meaning that MD will offer a 100% full assembled WhiteFox. As far as I know this would be a first (but I might be wrong). Unfortunately I don't think it will be CE certified too. Also we will probably have a proper product box, no bubble wrap in generic box but a custom made packaging to fit all the components.
More good news: group buy starts next week! Hold tight!
Good news / bad news situation.
Bad news: we won't make the gold edition. Sorry, I tried, but it adds a lot of work and we wouldn't make it by Christmas.
Good news: we will get FCC compliance, meaning that MD will offer a 100% full assembled WhiteFox. As far as I know this would be a first (but I might be wrong). Unfortunately I don't think it will be CE certified too. Also we will probably have a proper product box, no bubble wrap in generic box but a custom made packaging to fit all the components.
More good news: group buy starts next week! Hold tight!
Good news / bad news situation.
Bad news: we won't make the gold edition. Sorry, I tried, but it adds a lot of work and we wouldn't make it by Christmas.
Good news: we will get FCC compliance, meaning that MD will offer a 100% full assembled WhiteFox. As far as I know this would be a first (but I might be wrong). Unfortunately I don't think it will be CE certified too. Also we will probably have a proper product box, no bubble wrap in generic box but a custom made packaging to fit all the components.
More good news: group buy starts next week! Hold tight!
Oh man WhiteFox and GMK SNES on Massdrop - my wallet is gonna get a hurting right before Christmas
Good news / bad news situation.
Bad news: we won't make the gold edition. Sorry, I tried, but it adds a lot of work and we wouldn't make it by Christmas.
Good news: we will get FCC compliance, meaning that MD will offer a 100% full assembled WhiteFox. As far as I know this would be a first (but I might be wrong). Unfortunately I don't think it will be CE certified too. Also we will probably have a proper product box, no bubble wrap in generic box but a custom made packaging to fit all the components.
More good news: group buy starts next week! Hold tight!
Oh man WhiteFox and GMK SNES on Massdrop - my wallet is gonna get a hurting right before Christmas
The PBT keys in this one sound like the same keys from the KC60 release on MD (not a fan).
Matt3o, in the interest of prepping this kick a$$ board for Granite Round 4 next year, would you please make an option for no keys when the drop is set?
Is it really going through MD ?
Is it really going through MD ?
yep.
ow my gawd,, my wallet gonna hurt so much...
Any updates on the pinging or lack thereof? (I think you mentioned you had a recording or something to post, but it looks like it got lost in the rollback).
I've also casually followed some of the Infinity development on Massdrop. For one, I know they were having issues with the strength of the USB connector on the Infinity ErgoDox. Have you guys been able to gain any insights from their problems so they don't happen with the WhiteFox?
How's the online configurator working? Massdrop's for the original Ergodox never really seemed to made it out of (an early) beta. If you wanted more functionality than that, you needed to wrap your head around TMK or Ben's firmware or something and figure out how to compile it on your own.
Any updates on the pinging or lack thereof? (I think you mentioned you had a recording or something to post, but it looks like it got lost in the rollback).
I've also casually followed some of the Infinity development on Massdrop. For one, I know they were having issues with the strength of the USB connector on the Infinity ErgoDox. Have you guys been able to gain any insights from their problems so they don't happen with the WhiteFox?
How's the online configurator working? Massdrop's for the original Ergodox never really seemed to made it out of (an early) beta. If you wanted more functionality than that, you needed to wrap your head around TMK or Ben's firmware or something and figure out how to compile it on your own.
audio quality is not the best and the mic was really too close, but you can get an idea. Switches are MX Blue and the keyboard is still a prototype (not the final product) but there's no "ping". Sound test (http://cubiq.org/dropbox/whitefox.mp3).
the whitefox has a micro-usb connector with pass-through pins. that is the best you can get in terms of small usb ports.
Configuration works pretty well with the configurator, if you need more options just ask. Consider that the TMK firmware will also be ported to the whitefox.
How's the online configurator working? Massdrop's for the original Ergodox never really seemed to made it out of (an early) beta. If you wanted more functionality than that, you needed to wrap your head around TMK or Ben's firmware or something and figure out how to compile it on your own.
Configuration works pretty well with the configurator, if you need more options just ask. Consider that the TMK firmware will also be ported to the whitefox.
Wait, is this going to come as a kit or only as a complete board? I would rather put it together myself.
The Winkeyless layout is definitely my favorite part of this set :eek:
The Winkeyless layout is definitely my favorite part of this set :eek:
If only it supported HHKB top row
The Winkeyless layout is definitely my favorite part of this set :eek:
If only it supported HHKB top row
I think that, as a new keyboard, the Fox is trying a new layout inspired by others.
The Winkeyless layout is definitely my favorite part of this set :eek:
If only it supported HHKB top row
I think that, as a new keyboard, the Fox is trying a new layout inspired by others.
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Holy crap, Matt3o. :eek: This is amazing.
Your initial prototyping and building a couple years ago is one of the things that inspired me to dig deeper into this hobby and build my own things. Thank you for detailing the history of this board, it brought back a lot of great memories. :) And it's so great to see your dream finally realized.
I'm totally in for the True Fox layout. :thumb: ;D I like 65% boards, I like HHKB backspace, and I love the gap between the arrow keys. Great design, of course.
My only gripe is the lack of stepped caps lock support. :(
Holy crap, Matt3o. :eek: This is amazing.
Your initial prototyping and building a couple years ago is one of the things that inspired me to dig deeper into this hobby and build my own things. Thank you for detailing the history of this board, it brought back a lot of great memories. :) And it's so great to see your dream finally realized.
I'm totally in for the True Fox layout. :thumb: ;D I like 65% boards, I like HHKB backspace, and I love the gap between the arrow keys. Great design, of course.
My only gripe is the lack of stepped caps lock support. :(
There is support in the PCB, just not with the flush plate.
But yeah, I wish the full shebang had the stepped cap. This would make True Fox perfect.
Still getting True Fox layout 'cause that's what this board was made for!
But the off centered switch for the step caps lock allows the use of authentic OG Cherry sets and it does look very cool.
Why can't one plate support both versions?
The step is to prevent accidental key press of the mean caps lock, BUT you should use CTRL or FN in that position, so there's no need of a stepped key. Adding an option for stepped caps lock for each plate would be too expensive, we preferred to give more layout choices instead. I hope we made the right decision...
@HoffmanMyster where did you see flat or phillips screws?! :D They are all torx screws
Any possibility of allowing a 1u win key on the bottom row on the left so then you can fit a 7u spacebar and get rid of that pesky gap?
Ya, the gap is going to be REALLY useful. My biggest problem with the 75% layout was not being able to find the arrow keys 100% of the time without having to look cause all the keys down there felt the same.Any possibility of allowing a 1u win key on the bottom row on the left so then you can fit a 7u spacebar and get rid of that pesky gap?
I think the GAP is an intended feature.
Good news / bad news situation.
Bad news: we won't make the gold edition. Sorry, I tried, but it adds a lot of work and we wouldn't make it by Christmas.
Good news: we will get FCC compliance, meaning that MD will offer a 100% full assembled WhiteFox. As far as I know this would be a first (but I might be wrong). Unfortunately I don't think it will be CE certified too. Also we will probably have a proper product box, no bubble wrap in generic box but a custom made packaging to fit all the components.
More good news: group buy starts next week! Hold tight!
I would go with The True Fox, but that backspace might be a problem for replacement caps, no? Unless you reuse a \| key there, but that's not really nice.
My next choice is Aria.
Ya, the gap is going to be REALLY useful. My biggest problem with the 75% layout was not being able to find the arrow keys 100% of the time without having to look cause all the keys down there felt the same.Any possibility of allowing a 1u win key on the bottom row on the left so then you can fit a 7u spacebar and get rid of that pesky gap?
I think the GAP is an intended feature.
I used an fc660c for a long time and really enjoyed the layout. One of my biggest complaint with that board was the lack of a dedicated `~ key (being a developer, I use that key often). This board solves that as well, so that is nice.
The step is to prevent accidental key press of the mean caps lock, BUT you should use CTRL or FN in that position, so there's no need of a stepped key. Adding an option for stepped caps lock for each plate would be too expensive, we preferred to give more layout choices instead. I hope we made the right decision...
@HoffmanMyster where did you see flat or phillips screws?! :D They are all torx screws
worry not, if the first group buy is successful we will have a second batch for sure (goooold!)
Ya, the gap is going to be REALLY useful. My biggest problem with the 75% layout was not being able to find the arrow keys 100% of the time without having to look cause all the keys down there felt the same.Any possibility of allowing a 1u win key on the bottom row on the left so then you can fit a 7u spacebar and get rid of that pesky gap?
I think the GAP is an intended feature.
I used an fc660c for a long time and really enjoyed the layout. One of my biggest complaint with that board was the lack of a dedicated `~ key (being a developer, I use that key often). This board solves that as well, so that is nice.
Ahh okay I didn't realise the intentionality as I've never used a keyboard with the gap before
Sounds really clever! True fox format it is for both boards!
wish this wasn't happening through MassDrop, good luck with the GB Matt3o.
65% trully is the best layout.
wish this wasn't happening through MassDrop, good luck with the GB Matt3o.
65% trully is the best layout.
Hmm... it's probably too late for a suggestion like this to go out with the GB, but - any chance someone could product a companion sticker or thin "frame" that goes over the top and covers the screw holes? I really like having a clean top section without exposed screws. A thin plastic rectangular frame would work I think, or even just a vinyl sticker.
a carbon fiber top cover would be a nice idea :)
few hours has gone by.. wheres my white fox? xD
few hours has gone by.. wheres my white fox? xD
Last time Matt3o said a few hours it turned into a couple of days. ;)
The true has the potential of having a limited edition, but I am more of a white keyboard kind of person as it is.
I am thinking that I will be able to arrange the right column so that the delete goes into the corner on the right, and stuff like that, without too much issue?
edit: spent a little bit more time thinking about it. I like that the back space is closer, it kind of makes sense. I don't use that backslash whatever key... ever... so maybe having the backspace closer would make it a bit more ergo in a way?
The true has the potential of having a limited edition, but I am more of a white keyboard kind of person as it is.
the gold edition won't be released at this time. We will probably do it later this year (but don't hold your breath).
The true has the potential of having a limited edition, but I am more of a white keyboard kind of person as it is.
the gold edition won't be released at this time. We will probably do it later this year (but don't hold your breath).
Can you tell us if this will be on MD or separately?
okay quick update.Can you share pricing details yet?
As I said the group buy will star this Friday on MassDrop. I don't know if I'll be able to grab some samples for myself and possibly sell them to MassDrop haters and I will actually know only when the drop is over, so don't rely on that.
We had to reduce the number of options to lower logistics hiccups. The options will be:
- a raw kit that includes only the plate, pcb, case, screws, feet and stabs
- to that you can add keycaps, switches and LEDs (all together)
- on top of that you can add full assembly service
I'm really excited about how this is coming out, some things I would have definitely done differently, but like in every relationship you have to compromise a little.
In this very moment I'm typing on a 100% working WhiteFox and it's amazing. I'm almost to tears, it took a year but it was totally worth it!
okay quick update.
As I said the group buy will star this Friday on MassDrop. I don't know if I'll be able to grab some samples for myself and possibly sell them to MassDrop haters and I will actually know only when the drop is over, so don't rely on that.
We had to reduce the number of options to lower logistics hiccups. The options will be:
- a raw kit that includes only the plate, pcb, case, screws, feet and stabs
- to that you can add keycaps, switches and LEDs (all together)
- on top of that you can add full assembly service
I'm really excited about how this is coming out, some things I would have definitely done differently, but like in every relationship you have to compromise a little.
In this very moment I'm typing on a 100% working WhiteFox and it's amazing. I'm almost to tears, it took a year but it was totally worth it!
okay quick update.
As I said the group buy will star this Friday on MassDrop. I don't know if I'll be able to grab some samples for myself and possibly sell them to MassDrop haters and I will actually know only when the drop is over, so don't rely on that.
We had to reduce the number of options to lower logistics hiccups. The options will be:
- a raw kit that includes only the plate, pcb, case, screws, feet and stabs
- to that you can add keycaps, switches and LEDs (all together)
- on top of that you can add full assembly service
I'm really excited about how this is coming out, some things I would have definitely done differently, but like in every relationship you have to compromise a little.
In this very moment I'm typing on a 100% working WhiteFox and it's amazing. I'm almost to tears, it took a year but it was totally worth it!
I'm assuming that all the plate options will still be run?
okay quick update.
As I said the group buy will star this Friday on MassDrop. I don't know if I'll be able to grab some samples for myself and possibly sell them to MassDrop haters and I will actually know only when the drop is over, so don't rely on that.
We had to reduce the number of options to lower logistics hiccups. The options will be:
- a raw kit that includes only the plate, pcb, case, screws, feet and stabs
- to that you can add keycaps, switches and LEDs (all together)
- on top of that you can add full assembly service
I'm really excited about how this is coming out, some things I would have definitely done differently, but like in every relationship you have to compromise a little.
In this very moment I'm typing on a 100% working WhiteFox and it's amazing. I'm almost to tears, it took a year but it was totally worth it!
I'm assuming that all the plate options will still be run?
yes, all plates are a go.
actually, let me ask you, how much would you expect from a high quality aluminum keyboard like this?
actually, let me ask you, how much would you expect from a high quality aluminum keyboard like this?
Given what I just paid for my WKL b.face build, somewhere around $250-$300?
actually, let me ask you, how much would you expect from a high quality aluminum keyboard like this?
next, I wanted to ask how the timeline is expected to look? i am sure it will be months before it is complete, but will it be closer to lets say 6 months till the keyboard is produced, or closer to a year? more? i understand if you cant comment!
lastly, will there be an option to get some of it soldered, and some of it unsoldered (like have everything but the switches soldered?)
The kit should ship shortly after the end of the GB (that will last one week)
So, as far as the aria is concerned, if i end up preferring to have the back space 1 spot closer and lower, i could always remap it to that key and enjoy. if not, i could keep it in its original position. also, i think with this, keycap sets could be easier to find in the future? maybe? I think this probably makes the aria a better option for me. I doubt that i will need a dedicated tilde key and the backslash one anyways.
next, I wanted to ask how the timeline is expected to look? i am sure it will be months before it is complete, but will it be closer to lets say 6 months till the keyboard is produced, or closer to a year? more? i understand if you cant comment!
lastly, will there be an option to get some of it soldered, and some of it unsoldered (like have everything but the switches soldered?)
Obviously it depends on the number of cases that are manufactured, but given the design of the case, I'd expect the kit to be priced around 160€, 180€ tops (unassembled, with keycaps but no switches).
Matt3o,
Can you autograph mine?
Matt3o,
Can you autograph mine?
Uhh, you do realize Matt3o is in Italy, Massdrop is in Jersey, and China is uhm somewhere in the middle? :confused: :p
Matt3o,
Can you autograph mine?
Uhh, you do realize Matt3o is in Italy, Massdrop is in Jersey, and China is uhm somewhere in the middle? :confused: :p
Absolutely. And?
Matt3o,
Can you autograph mine?
Uhh, you do realize Matt3o is in Italy, Massdrop is in Jersey, and China is uhm somewhere in the middle? :confused: :p
Absolutely. And?
Once you get your board, you can ship it to Matt3o and have him sign it and then pay for him to ship it back to you. That would work... :P
Matt3o,
Can you autograph mine?
Uhh, you do realize Matt3o is in Italy, Massdrop is in Jersey, and China is uhm somewhere in the middle? :confused: :p
Absolutely. And?
Once you get your board, you can ship it to Matt3o and have him sign it and then pay for him to ship it back to you. That would work... :P
Matt3o,
Can you autograph mine?
Uhh, you do realize Matt3o is in Italy, Massdrop is in Jersey, and China is uhm somewhere in the middle? :confused: :p
Absolutely. And?
Once you get your board, you can ship it to Matt3o and have him sign it and then pay for him to ship it back to you. That would work... :P
I mean you guys can just ask him to sign a letter for you or something and tape it underneath the housing.
****....like others I too have been following your development for a while. I was going to make my own 65% board but....UGH. That winkeyless layout would be my ideal layout like livingspeedbump said. Great job!
Edit: I was going to say my only complaint is no Alps compatibility but E3E made his PCB work so I could too...
Another silly question for you matteo, im sorry, i am new to group buys so I am still wondering a ton. Is there going to be a rush to sign up for this? Will it be at risk of selling out, and should it be something that I hurry to sign up for? or are the parts produced after the signups have closed? im sorry if this is just a silly question
Can you autograph mine?
Can you autograph mine?
we are talking about the feasibility of this thing with MD, it won't be easy, though. The best thing is probably if I sign a card that will be bundled inside the box.
PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...
Push the boundaries and spread the Alps love! :thumb: As long as you have the patience for it, it's definitely possible to modify an MX PCB for Alps compatibility. Maybe Matt3o will add it for a later revision. :)
PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...
Since the board has been designed with the help of Input Club it should be feasible, since they have alrerady done it for their Infinity pcb. Granted, the Whitefox pcb is more complex (LEDs) but slightly larger pads may not be that big of a hurdle. I would gladly give it a try once the files are released if I knew how to use KiCad.
Can you autograph mine?
we are talking about the feasibility of this thing with MD, it won't be easy, though. The best thing is probably if I sign a card that will be bundled inside the box.
PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...
Can you autograph mine?
we are talking about the feasibility of this thing with MD, it won't be easy, though. The best thing is probably if I sign a card that will be bundled inside the box.
PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...
I'm sure there's some way you can sign something digitally and have it sent over the tubes into a robot hand that translates your signature :D
Is there any way to get the LEDs on their own? I have switches and keycaps but I've got no LEDs due to relying on sethk's GB.
I'll try to keep the base kit as bare bone as possible, so more experienced users can get a WF at a very interesting price point.
LEDs are very easy to source (ebay, mouser, farnell, ...) and cost basically nothing.
Estimated ship date is 23 Dec? :O
How heavy is the whole keyboard? I'm not quite sure how exactly the alu bottom is built. Is it just like a low-profile tray that gets "capped" by the plate, which also serves as the case top?
Also I just realized those keycaps are dyesubbed Gateron! Hype! Wish I could buy another full TKL set...
Matt3o, suppose I want to order a custom plate elsewhere, because the options given do not please me. If I use the plate builder tool from swill, what are the configurations I must use on screw diameter (probably 2mm, you said you use M2 screws), width & height paddings and corner radius?
Will there be a way to get a 1.75 control key?
Zealios are all the rage, but you can't go wrong with Reds or evens Blacks for gaming. There is no best switch for any kind of use anyway, it's down to anyone's preferences. If you search the forum you'll find tons of threads named "are Reds good for typing" or "are Clears good for gaming" and lots of people answering "yes, they are".
Also according to the mockup on MD there will be 1.75 control and fn keys to replace capslock.
Will there be a way to get a 1.75 control key?
look closer at the available keycaps :)
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?
that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)
PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.
I don't know why it bothers me, but is it "Matt3o" or "matt3o"? I always thought the "M" was uppercase, but Massdrop wrote it all lowercase.
OK thats decided it for me. Going to get it in True Fox fully assembled with Zealio's (I've never soldered before, and don't want to mess up on such a beautiful design)
Now i just want to get a Limited Edition one as well :(
Could you make the Limited Edition one Bluetooth. That would make it even more special :)
there will be possibly a bluetooth version,
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?
that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)
PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.
I've been debating on the switch to use as well and I think you just helped me make up my mind -- MX White with white tops!
Any chance that this will support Alps?
I am all about pushing the Alps love over here!
Just trying to see if we can change some minds. this thing looks just great. Modded Gateron Blues can only get you so close.......
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?
I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46446.0) kinruan did back in -- :eek: YIKES :eek: -- 2013.
I'd be happy to modify it to AlpsDepending on the details, maybe the best route would be to open-source the PCB files sometime near the close of orders, then you can adjust the PCB to be ALPS-only, then have a separate (PCB-Only?) GB for Alps-Adjusted-Whitefox.
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?
I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46446.0) kinruan did back in -- :eek: YIKES :eek: -- 2013.
I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?
I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46446.0) kinruan did back in -- :eek: YIKES :eek: -- 2013.
I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)
Yeah. There's no Gateron equivalent for an MX-White is there?
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?
I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46446.0) kinruan did back in -- :eek: YIKES :eek: -- 2013.
I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)
Yeah. There's no Gateron equivalent for an MX-White is there?
Nah. Whites are clicky, but a very soft click. I guess you'd have Gateron Blues and mod them somehow to make them quieter. More work than its worth, I'm sure.
Also, do you have any tips for building a keyboard from scratch?Check this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0) thread out.
there will be possibly a bluetooth version,
:eek:
I could totally see a bluetooth version of this being something I would use.
+1 I could see myself using a bluetooth WhiteFox as my media center keyboard. :thumb:Keyboard orders of magnitude better than the best kbd most will ever type on serves as Hoffman's glorified remote control :cool: :p :thumb:
Argh can't get it assembled with Zealios. At the moment i've ordered it as a kit, but wondering what people would recommend if I get an assembled board?
Will it be hard to assemble for someone who has 0 experience of soldering?
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?
Argh can't get it assembled with Zealios. At the moment i've ordered it as a kit, but wondering what people would recommend if I get an assembled board?
Will it be hard to assemble for someone who has 0 experience of soldering?
Not at all. Soldering is easy peasy. Just don't hold the iron to the switch pins for too long because you might melt the housings. Just enough for the solder to wet the pin and the pad and create a secure joint. Switch soldering is one of the easiest things to do. Don't be intimidated! :thumb:
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?
we are dealing with OEMs to get the best pricing possible, so 1000 is not really that much (actually the bare minimum)
Any quick reference guides you could link us to for switch soldering to illustrate? I could probably just go check the wiki's, but simpler to ask! :)Soldering is much easier than I thought it would be before I started. It's more about knowing the right technique, and using the right equipment than having nimble fingers and a steady hand. I seem to remember watching a few videos from EEVblog when I first started. Anyhow invest a few hours researching, you'll be happy you did.
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?
Given the sales numbers not even an hour after the debut, I think that was probably a good decision. Is it too early to call this a stunning success?
Does it come with the cable i see in the pics on Massdrop?
If not where can i get a cable like that from?
Does it come with the cable i see in the pics on Massdrop?
If not where can i get a cable like that from?
"Estimated ship date is March 28, 2016"
3 months is plenty of time to make a custom plate. Correct me if these (mostly guess) specs are wrong, Matt3o:
- 8 mounting holes, diameter = 2mm
- Width padding: 4mm
- Height padding: 4mm
- Plate corner radius: 2mm
Ordered a kit with MX-Whites. Was going to do the Bare Bones, but I wanted the key caps and figured I'd go ahead and get the switches too.
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?
that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)
PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.
Hey Matt3o, what can we do about the limited edition options that didn't make it in this first round? Is Kunal working on this or are we just on hold? Seems we can make something possible as a separate GB for those pieces similar to what MD did when they ran the infinity parts.
Glad I as able to get in on this before all 500 orders are up!
Congrats Matt3o on another super awesome and successful creation! And thank you for bringing it to the community <3
Glad I as able to get in on this before all 500 orders are up!
Congrats Matt3o on another super awesome and successful creation! And thank you for bringing it to the community <3
It's been extended to 1,000. So far we're over 400 (in less than 24 hours)!
I just ordered The True Fox with Gateron Blues (because I haven't tried their blues yet). I can't wait! They're selling like hotcakes, congratulations Matt3o!
I do not want to miss out on this, but im short on $ to invest in a long term project :/
wait, what's this about a special edition?
wait, what's this about a special edition?
From the OP:
As a side note, I'm fighting (and seems that I won the battle) for a limited edition WhiteFox, available in only one layout (#5 the true fox) with dark gold anodized case and black on dark-gray keycaps. That it is expected to be a pinch more expensive, but gosh if it will be sexy!
Now the only question is a pinch actually a pinch or sarcasm?
wait, what's this about a special edition?
From the OP:
As a side note, I'm fighting (and seems that I won the battle) for a limited edition WhiteFox, available in only one layout (#5 the true fox) with dark gold anodized case and black on dark-gray keycaps. That it is expected to be a pinch more expensive, but gosh if it will be sexy!
Now the only question is a pinch actually a pinch or sarcasm?
Later in the thread (so somewhere above) he stated he couldn't make it work after all for this round, but he still hopes to bring it in future drop.
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox
you don't fűk with fate!
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?
that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)
PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox
Does the plate allow the switch tops to be opened without desoldering them?
I decided to go with the fully assembled Gateron Brown option as $15 is cheaper than buying a soldering iron and learning how to solder.
If at some point in the future I decide to get some purple Zealios can just I pop the switch open and swap the slider and spring in? Would that feel the same as proper Zealios?
Does the plate allow the switch tops to be opened without desoldering them?
I decided to go with the fully assembled Gateron Brown option as $15 is cheaper than buying a soldering iron and learning how to solder.
If at some point in the future I decide to get some purple Zealios can just I pop the switch open and swap the slider and spring in? Would that feel the same as proper Zealios?
is there guide on how to flash the firmware? and do the costar stabilizers have the white stem insert included?
Matt3o, what's your opinion of MX Linear Grey? Ever used it for extended typing? Thanks and congratulations.
is there guide on how to flash the firmware? and do the costar stabilizers have the white stem insert included?
Related to this - I've never used Input Club before to create a layout. Can anyone tell me which is the "Fn" key? I know where I want it to be, but I dont see the "Fn" command available.
Related to this - I've never used Input Club before to create a layout. Can anyone tell me which is the "Fn" key? I know where I want it to be, but I dont see the "Fn" command available.
If you look on the first row under "special", there are buttons for f1-7.
Does the plate allow the switch tops to be opened without desoldering them?Based on the massdrop plate photos they should however, it won't work if you have LED's installed unless you use sip sockets for the LED's.
I decided to go with the fully assembled Gateron Brown option as $15 is cheaper than buying a soldering iron and learning how to solder.
If at some point in the future I decide to get some purple Zealios can just I pop the switch open and swap the slider and spring in? Would that feel the same as proper Zealios?
Zealios have modified contact leaves compared to normal Gaterons, so they wouldn't be compatible, at least not the purple Zealios, as the original leaf was incompatible with Cherry MX Clear sliders. I vaguely recall a member on here swapping out all the contacts on their Gateron switches for Cherry contacts just so they could use MX clear stems. This was before Zealios landed.
You can always get linear Zealios if they are still available, as those do have modified leaves that are compatible with clear stems/purple zealio stems.
Also, do you have any tips for building a keyboard from scratch?Check this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0) thread out.
Seeing that you've already had 750+ purchases, it's safe to say this board is in high demand. What are your thoughts about running a second round GB?
Anyone in the US who is already planning to place an order willing to proxy for me to Canada? I am trying to avoid the 60$ in duty that I will get dinged with if I order directly from Massdrop...
thanks everybody! I'm so glad you liked the whitefox and I'm overwhelmed by the success. I told MD that I would be happy with 200 pieces sold, but we are beyond any expectation.Seeing that you've already had 750+ purchases, it's safe to say this board is in high demand. What are your thoughts about running a second round GB?
we are already talking about that. stay tuned!
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
You can get the switches at other places pal, this is about the PCB the plates and the case, come on.
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
You can get the switches at other places pal, this is about the PCB the plates and the case, come on.
I think he was referring to the ability to get the key caps and USB cable too. Unfortunately, those options are only available in the full DIY kit, which includes switches.
thanks everybody! I'm so glad you liked the whitefox and I'm overwhelmed by the success. I told MD that I would be happy with 200 pieces sold, but we are beyond any expectation.Seeing that you've already had 750+ purchases, it's safe to say this board is in high demand. What are your thoughts about running a second round GB?
we are already talking about that. stay tuned!
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
You can get the switches at other places pal, this is about the PCB the plates and the case, come on.
I think he was referring to the ability to get the key caps and USB cable too. Unfortunately, those options are only available in the full DIY kit, which includes switches.
My bad, sorry, I did not read it carefully.
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
You can get the switches at other places pal, this is about the PCB the plates and the case, come on.
I think he was referring to the ability to get the key caps and USB cable too. Unfortunately, those options are only available in the full DIY kit, which includes switches.
My bad, sorry, I did not read it carefully.
No problem. Yeah; really want everything and use my own switches because Zealios sold out but oh well. Don't really want to spend the extra on some switches I won't use.
Is there no way to get everything but switches?
You can get the switches at other places pal, this is about the PCB the plates and the case, come on.
I think he was referring to the ability to get the key caps and USB cable too. Unfortunately, those options are only available in the full DIY kit, which includes switches.
My bad, sorry, I did not read it carefully.
No problem. Yeah; really want everything and use my own switches because Zealios sold out but oh well. Don't really want to spend the extra on some switches I won't use.
You could get the unassembled kit with Gateron switches, I don't think that those add to the price.
Doesn't add to the base price but I just wish there was a switchless option; oh well, most likely will be sold out by the time I get paid.
Doesn't add to the base price but I just wish there was a switchless option; oh well, most likely will be sold out by the time I get paid.
They only bill you when the drop ends, so you can order now, if you want. Plus, they added a second batch of 1,000 (2k total) which will ship a couple/few months later than the first batch, so you are probably okay to wait.
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but is this going to be open-sourced at some point? For things like modifying for ALPS, and a split space bar...?
Doesn't add to the base price but I just wish there was a switchless option; oh well, most likely will be sold out by the time I get paid.
They only bill you when the drop ends, so you can order now, if you want. Plus, they added a second batch of 1,000 (2k total) which will ship a couple/few months later than the first batch, so you are probably okay to wait.
Oh now I have to order one. Although I usually get billed instantly using PayPal?
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but is this going to be open-sourced at some point? For things like modifying for ALPS, and a split space bar...?
Hi Matt3o, can you post a picture of the WhiteFox with the LEDs on?
Hi Matt3o, can you post a picture of the WhiteFox with the LEDs on?
I'm waiting for some more PCBs to make a full tutorial (and add LEDs)
What exactly does "assembled" and not assembled entail. Am I going to have to do soldiering with not assembled?
How does this compare to the Inifinity keyboard? is this programmeable at all?
How does this compare to the Inifinity keyboard? is this programmeable at all?
yes it is fully programmable.
What layout option is the most popular?
Anyone in the US who is already planning to place an order willing to proxy for me to Canada? I am trying to avoid the 60$ in duty that I will get dinged with if I order directly from Massdrop...
Swill -- I'll hook you up. PM me if you still need a proxy.
The programming options are similar to the infinity or more like the pok3r?
Does anyone know if the Gaterons in this drop the KS-1 plate mounted version or the KS-3 PCB mounted version?
Does anyone know if the Gaterons in this drop the KS-1 plate mounted version or the KS-3 PCB mounted version?
I'm not sure about this, but I would say they are plate mounted.
With the group buy being extended to 2000 units (two deployments), what is the likelihood of the second date having the special edition inclusion at this point?
Will this still be saved for a potential groupbuy in the future rather than this one?
okay so posting this again :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3EpU5ky.png)
(special edition, not sure it will be made, but the case will be gold anodized)
worry not, if the first group buy is successful we will have a second batch for sure (goooold!)
With the group buy being extended to 2000 units (two deployments), what is the likelihood of the second date having the special edition inclusion at this point?
Will this still be saved for a potential groupbuy in the future rather than this one?
Just a quick heads-up if you get the barebone kit without keycaps, Signature Plastics is selling the Midnight Set ( http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-50-off/ ) with a 50% discount! Just remember to grab the additional modifiers to cover the whitefox!
(for those who don't know the Midnight set is also designed by me)
have to wait the west coast to wake up
Just a quick heads-up if you get the barebone kit without keycaps, Signature Plastics is selling the Midnight Set ( http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-50-off/ ) with a 50% discount! Just remember to grab the additional modifiers to cover the whitefox!
(for those who don't know the Midnight set is also designed by me)
A fox?That's a Smart68 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61714.0) (note the FN button below the spacebar on the front)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lGPPOot.jpg)
A fox?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lGPPOot.jpg)
Just a quick heads-up if you get the barebone kit without keycaps, Signature Plastics is selling the Midnight Set ( http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-50-off/ ) with a 50% discount! Just remember to grab the additional modifiers to cover the whitefox!
(for those who don't know the Midnight set is also designed by me)
Sorry for the noob question, but is it $50 with or without the sale?
Just a quick heads-up if you get the barebone kit without keycaps, Signature Plastics is selling the Midnight Set ( http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-50-off/ ) with a 50% discount! Just remember to grab the additional modifiers to cover the whitefox!
(for those who don't know the Midnight set is also designed by me)
Sorry for the noob question, but is it $50 with or without the sale?
$50 is the on sale price.
It is $20 for the base set and $30 for modifiers kit ($50 total to cover a tenkeyless board). Whitefox uses non-standard modifier key sizes though, so as Matt3o said, you also need the additional mods kit ($25). The keyset would cost you $75 total.
Just a quick heads-up if you get the barebone kit without keycaps, Signature Plastics is selling the Midnight Set ( http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-50-off/ ) with a 50% discount! Just remember to grab the additional modifiers to cover the whitefox!
(for those who don't know the Midnight set is also designed by me)
Sorry for the noob question, but is it $50 with or without the sale?
$50 is the on sale price.
It is $20 for the base set and $30 for modifiers kit ($50 total to cover a tenkeyless board). Whitefox uses non-standard modifier key sizes though, so as Matt3o said, you also need the additional mods kit ($25). The keyset would cost you $75 total.
Thank you! Still a bit expensive with everything though. But I guess it's probably worth it.
If you buy the barebones there is no difference between the layouts am I right?
If you buy the barebones there is no difference between the layouts am I right?
You should get the plate you need, the plates make the difference between alternative layouts, unless you use PCB mounted switches.
If you buy the barebones there is no difference between the layouts am I right?
You should get the plate you need, the plates make the difference between alternative layouts, unless you use PCB mounted switches.
It wouldn't look very good without a plate though... Lots of open space
Question for you. Is there anyway to get one after the mass drop ends in 13 days, other than buying used? Recently laid off, so no spare funds, but I've been wanting a fox now for ages.
Would be awesome if a limited edition version of the board could come with the logo engraved in the back
I'm waiting for some more PCBs to make a full tutorial (and add LEDs)
Would be awesome if a limited edition version of the board could come with the logo engraved in the back
FIrst batch is actually a "limited edition".
Also Matt3o, do you have any plans on releasing some key sets for other layouts (ISO)? (i love your midnight set, for example).
FIrst batch is actually a "limited edition".
FIrst batch is actually a "limited edition".
First batch being the first 500 or the first 1000?
FIrst batch is actually a "limited edition".
First batch being the first 500 or the first 1000?
first batch has always been 1000. 500 is an urban legend.
we'll probably run more granite next year
we'll probably run more granite next year
Probably? Is it because SP is backlogged (urban legend lol) or something else? We need an IC started soon here on this one so this stays on point with Whitefox though I can't help but wonder what your thoughts are.
we'll probably run more granite next year
Probably? Is it because SP is backlogged (urban legend lol) or something else? We need an IC started soon here on this one so this stays on point with Whitefox though I can't help but wonder what your thoughts are.
we'll probably run more granite next year
Probably? Is it because SP is backlogged (urban legend lol) or something else? We need an IC started soon here on this one so this stays on point with Whitefox though I can't help but wonder what your thoughts are.
The "backlog" is for SA, so granite would be uneffected
Well I finally ordered. :D
Re: Batches
I ordered after the first 1,000 units sold, but when I was selecting all my options they let me pick the "batch" that my board would ship with. Why would they do that? What's the reasoning? :confused: Wouldn't you just ship them as they come in? Why would anyone choose to have theirs shipped at a later date??
Well I finally ordered. :D
Re: Batches
I ordered after the first 1,000 units sold, but when I was selecting all my options they let me pick the "batch" that my board would ship with. Why would they do that? What's the reasoning? :confused: Wouldn't you just ship them as they come in? Why would anyone choose to have theirs shipped at a later date??
If you were able to select it then someone in the first batch must've canceled. They opened a second batch because the first 1000 sold out, but people in that set may be canceling. I re-ordered this morning and scored a kit in the first batch. :thumb:
What's the secondary IC? Do you use it for LED control?
Matteo anyway you could get massdrop to offer the cable and leds seperately
Matteo anyway you could get massdrop to offer the cable and leds seperately
You mean on another drop? I don't think that would be possible at this stage.
That blows. Always my luck.Question for you. Is there anyway to get one after the mass drop ends in 13 days, other than buying used? Recently laid off, so no spare funds, but I've been wanting a fox now for ages.only in the classified I guess
Sorry if asked already, but does this support off center caps lock?
Would you know who will be responsible for the construction of this keyboard ?
Would you know who will be responsible for the construction of this keyboard ?
an assembly service.
Just to clarify, everyone who is in batch 1 (even when ordered later on, just changed to batch 1 because someone cancelled) will get the special edition? That's amazing!
China. I don't know them personally... I guess there will be some Wu and some Lee.
China. I don't know them personally... I guess there will be some Wu and some Lee.
Brilliant, at least don't get any South Koreans involved here, already know what they're like when it comes to waiting for any keyboards.
Just to clarify, everyone who is in batch 1 (even when ordered later on, just changed to batch 1 because someone cancelled) will get the special edition? That's amazing!
Just to clarify, everyone who is in batch 1 (even when ordered later on, just changed to batch 1 because someone cancelled) will get the special edition? That's amazing!
I don't think there is a special edition at the moment - from what I've seen and read there will be no difference between the keyboards produced for batch 1 and batch 2
Just to clarify, everyone who is in batch 1 (even when ordered later on, just changed to batch 1 because someone cancelled) will get the special edition? That's amazing!Just to clarify, everyone who is in batch 1 (even when ordered later on, just changed to batch 1 because someone cancelled) will get the special edition? That's amazing!
I don't think there is a special edition at the moment - from what I've seen and read there will be no difference between the keyboards produced for batch 1 and batch 2
there's not a "special edition" per se. First batch is considered limited edition, though.
I guess the confusion is this: What makes the first batch "limited edition."
I guess the confusion is this: What makes the first batch "limited edition."
the fact that there are only 1000 of them :)
I guess the confusion is this: What makes the first batch "limited edition."
the fact that there are only 1000 of them :)
I guess the confusion is this: What makes the first batch "limited edition."
the fact that there are only 1000 of them :)
Until the second batch is made... then they are just... "old" ?
I guess the confusion is this: What makes the first batch "limited edition."
the fact that there are only 1000 of them :)
And don't get me wrong... this board looks amazing. I just hate the term "limited edition" As unless we're talking about virtual goods, there is a finite amount of everything.
So unless there is something special about the first batch, silk screening, caps, something, then its not really limited edition. It's just first run edition.
Until the second batch is made... then they are just... "old" ?
I made a quick video on how to correctly mount costar stabilizers
I just wanted to congratulate you on the success of the White Fox and even though I'm not getting one right now I am impressed with your creation. Any ideas if there will be other versions such as a 75% like a Keycool layout etc?
Would you know who will be responsible for the construction of this keyboard ?
an assembly service.
Would you know who will be responsible for the construction of this keyboard ?
an assembly service.
Hey Matt3o, I just got into this whole world of mechanical keyboards, but man what an exciting time to join the community :) I immediately grabbed a TrueFox :thumb:
My question is regarding the assembly service, I have done some soldering before but I don't have a soldering kit anymore, so I decided to just go for the assembled option. But for what I know, bad soldering can mess up the switches, so I'm a little worried about that. Do you vouch for this assembly service? Or should I just go and get the normal kit and assemble it myself? I would have to get myself a soldering kit and some practice since I'm a little rusty in that regard but I would rather do that if the assembly service is not expected to do a good work at it. Might even be fun, little DIY project.
Your thoughts?
If you none of the above is true, go for the assembly service.
Customizing your layout is super easy thank to the online configurator (http://input.club/configurator). Cross platform, web based. Design your keyboard and download the compiled firmware, ready to be flashed.
Customizing your layout is super easy thank to the online configurator (http://input.club/configurator). Cross platform, web based. Design your keyboard and download the compiled firmware, ready to be flashed.
Hi, 65% is the sweet spot in compact keyboards, the fc660[cm] got it almost right except no PgUp/PgDn, yours is perfect. Very tempted to join the MD drop. Some questions if you could answer:
1. The online configurator only seems to show the Aria layout. Will the others be added ?
2. While using the keyboard how do you access layers 2, 3, etc ?
3. How do you access Pause, Scroll Lock, etc keys ? Is there a "default" firmware that has a 2nd layer with an image of the assignments we can see ?
4. Which one is the FN key and which one is the Windows key? How do you momentarily access a layer in the winkeyless version (to hit Home or End for example) ?
I took the time to write the official WhiteFox FAQ
Find it here: http://matt3o.com/whitefox-faq
In the coming days I'll set up a proper website with info and tutorials. Have fun!
You linked to the wrong item on Massdrop, matt3o.
You linked to the wrong item on Massdrop, matt3o.
He's trying to drop a hint.
You linked to the wrong item on Massdrop, matt3o.
He's trying to drop a hint.
Buy topre keycaps for his MX board? XD
3. There's a default firmware, but you most likely need to flash your own
Best set of exchanges I've seen on here in a while.
3. There's a default firmware, but you most likely need to flash your own
Is there a picture anywhere that shows the FN layer of the default firmware ?
Also, hmm, would it be possible for me to install a buzzer on this keyboard to make it click ? Check out how I did it on my ergodox; I'm kind of hooked on this feature!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.msg840977#msg840977
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.msg1046607#msg1046607
Hey Matt3o, will the production PCB be the same as the one pictured in the promo pics? More specifically, will the PCB that we receive have the mounting holes for pcb mounted cherry stabs like the one in the pictures? Thanks! ;D
When do you think a bluetooth version of the whitefox will be released?
When do you think a bluetooth version of the whitefox will be released?
I'm working on that, but it really takes years to design something like that in the spare time. I hope to be able to get a first PCB prototype in Q1 2016... then the case... then looking for manufacturers...
When do you think a bluetooth version of the whitefox will be released?
I'm working on that, but it really takes years to design something like that in the spare time. I hope to be able to get a first PCB prototype in Q1 2016... then the case... then looking for manufacturers...
Awesome, i'm really looking forward to it! Do you plan for it to just be bluetooth or also wired compatible?
...ergonomic...
yes, the PCB supports PCB mounted cherry stabs (as per the FAQ :P )
yes, the PCB supports PCB mounted cherry stabs (as per the FAQ :p )
Thanks for the reply :thumb: I looked at the FAQ but it figures that I would miss that..
yes, the PCB supports PCB mounted cherry stabs (as per the FAQ :p )
Thanks for the reply :thumb: I looked at the FAQ but it figures that I would miss that..
This is very good, it is a pain to remove keycaps with Costar stabilizers.
Question for the more experienced. Would a Weller WP25 be enough to put this keyboard together, diodes, switches and LEDs?
http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron (http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron)
Question for the more experienced. Would a Weller WP25 be enough to put this keyboard together, diodes, switches and LEDs?
http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron (http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron)
In my experience the ax tip works better than the conic one for SMD, but for pass through components you may be ok with pretty much any soldering iron.
Question for the more experienced. Would a Weller WP25 be enough to put this keyboard together, diodes, switches and LEDs?
http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron (http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron)
In my experience the ax tip works better than the conic one for SMD, but for pass through components you may be ok with pretty much any soldering iron.
All the SMD stuff is presoldered for this one, aren't they? So all that would need to be soldered is through-hole switches and LEDs (assuming you got a barebones or a kit).
Question for the more experienced. Would a Weller WP25 be enough to put this keyboard together, diodes, switches and LEDs?
http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron (http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WP25-Professional-25Watts-Soldering/dp/B000B63BTU/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1344112191&sr=1-7&keywords=Weller+soldering+iron)
looks fine to me. you may also consider this http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1450857501&sr=1-1&keywords=WLC100Not to start a soldering iron flame war, but: I have a Hakko FX888D and my dad has a Weller WLC100. I think the extra $50 for the Hakko is money well spent, especially if you plan on doing more than just keyboards.
If I were to change the switches on my order which is in the first batch, would it be moved to the second batch?looks fine to me. you may also consider this http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1450857501&sr=1-1&keywords=WLC100Not to start a soldering iron flame war, but: I have a Hakko FX888D and my dad has a Weller WLC100. I think the extra $50 for the Hakko is money well spent, especially if you plan on doing more than just keyboards.
If I were to change the switches on my order which is in the first batch, would it be moved to the second batch?looks fine to me. you may also consider this http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1450857501&sr=1-1&keywords=WLC100 (http://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1450857501&sr=1-1&keywords=WLC100)Not to start a soldering iron flame war, but: I have a Hakko FX888D and my dad has a Weller WLC100. I think the extra $50 for the Hakko is money well spent, especially if you plan on doing more than just keyboards.
I started with a $8 15W iron and I was perfectly fine with it. Later I bought a soldering station but only because I started doing some serious stuff.I could have been clearer. The Weller is more than sufficient for keyboards, if there's little chance of needing it for any other use, buy it.
P.S.
Is changing the switches on my order going to be a big inconvenience for you all / cause it to be shifted to the 2nd batch? Thanks.
Can you guys tell me if I might like the purple Zealios (and which weight to get)? I prefer a really sharp tactile bump (and prefer low noise) instead of the subtle bump of the Cherry MX browns, clears, etc. Out of all the switches I've tried and keyboards I own, I think the most pronounced tactile bump is probably the Matias quiet switch and the Topre 55g. The Matias is a bit scratchy/rough, while the Topre is very smooth and refined, with the bump at the top of the stroke and a sharp collapse of the dome (which feels very nice).
I currently have the Gateron brown assembled ordered, but I've never tried the Gateron brown switch either. I only read that it's like a smoother Cherry MX brown with a slightly sharper bump. I'm not even sure if the tactile bump is significant enough, since all the Cherry MX switches feel like the bumps are too soft to me. I like a REALLY SHARP tactile bump that won't become indistinguishable once you start typing at moderate speeds.
Does anyone k ow the type of fewt that are bundled with this? They look a smidgen wider than Gon's feet. Was wondering because I want a to pick up a pair for another build and they look perfect.
Sharpest Zealios to me are the 67's. They feel a lot like 45g topre HHKB switches. Not the same but close
this. not. :P
Sharpest Zealios to me are the 67's. They feel a lot like 45g topre HHKB switches. Not the same but close
this. not. :P
So which switch would you recommend? I just want a switch that is as tactile as possible, with as little noise as possible, but not ridiculously heavy since I have no need to train my fingers--I just want to type smoothly and without error.
My current favorite switches are probably the Topre 55g and 45g. I like the Cherry MX blues and greens for the times when I want some noise to feel festive while I type, but I prefer quiet if I had to choose. :D Buckling spring is the king of all clicky, but when I don't want the noise it can grate on the nerves a bit.
Tactile + no click : get Blues and jailhouse them!
If you want tactility but for it to be quiet then I would recommend a Zealios variant that is lubed. When you lube the switches it tends to dampen the noise quiet a bit. The plate material matters significantly but since there aren't didn't options provided in that aspect then your best bet is to lube the switches and add o-rings if it isn't quiet enough for you.
If you want tactility but for it to be quiet then I would recommend a Zealios variant that is lubed. When you lube the switches it tends to dampen the noise quiet a bit. The plate material matters significantly but since there aren't didn't options provided in that aspect then your best bet is to lube the switches and add o-rings if it isn't quiet enough for you.
Are the stock Zealios louder than normal Cherry MX clears? If not, I'm not going to worry about it, since non-clicky Cherry MXs are quiet enough to not bother me. And is the 67g purple Zealios the most tactile out of all the options in this White Fox drop by a significant margin? If it's only slightly more tactile than the Gateron browns, then I'd rather not bother with having to solder them myself and pay more--I'd rather just stick to the assembled Gateron browns.
I wouldn't really consider the Zealios to be louder than stock mx clears. However the only comparison that I have at the moment is 62g Zealios on an acrylic plate vs stock mx clears on a steel plate(Pok3r). The Zealios will definitely be a lot more tactile than gateron browns. Browns are a mix of linear and tactility, the bump is barely noticeable where the Zealios is similar to an ergo-clear which is like a mx clear with with brown springs.
I wouldn't really consider the Zealios to be louder than stock mx clears. However the only comparison that I have at the moment is 62g Zealios on an acrylic plate vs stock mx clears on a steel plate(Pok3r). The Zealios will definitely be a lot more tactile than gateron browns. Browns are a mix of linear and tactility, the bump is barely noticeable where the Zealios is similar to an ergo-clear which is like a mx clear with with brown springs.
It seems the purple Zealios (particularly 65g and 67g) are hyped a lot right now, especially that they are short in supply. But objectively, how do they actually compare to Topre 55g and 45g or Matias quiet switch?
I wouldn't really consider the Zealios to be louder than stock mx clears. However the only comparison that I have at the moment is 62g Zealios on an acrylic plate vs stock mx clears on a steel plate(Pok3r). The Zealios will definitely be a lot more tactile than gateron browns. Browns are a mix of linear and tactility, the bump is barely noticeable where the Zealios is similar to an ergo-clear which is like a mx clear with with brown springs.
It seems the purple Zealios (particularly 65g and 67g) are hyped a lot right now, especially that they are short in supply. But objectively, how do they actually compare to Topre 55g and 45g or Matias quiet switch?
comparing zealios or cherry mx to topre is impossible. I can say oranges and apples are both fruits, but that's about it.
to me 45g topre are closer to linear than they are to tactile switches. 55g topre have a more tactile feeling, but it's a very smooth curve, while cherry/zealios have more of a "bump".
really you can't compare them, you are gonna be disappointed if you search the same topre feeling.
I have here in front of me mx clear and zealios purple 65. They are very close, with cherry been a pinch crispier and zealios smoother. As per tactile feeling and stiffness they are very close. If you think you are not up to the soldering task, go for mx clear and save some bucks in the process. you would hardly feel the difference anyway.
Last few hours left!
Thanks everybody! When the drop started I told MD we would have sold 200, they estimated 500 but we will probably end close to 1300!
Now to making some tutorials!
Last few hours left!
Thanks everybody! When the drop started I told MD we would have sold 200, they estimated 500 but we will probably end close to 1300!
Now to making some tutorials!
Hi,
Can anyone help me out in getting my hands on a Whitefox?
One problem is I did not notice the massdrop until I came home to my parents town for Christmas.
The other problem is I am out of a job at the moment and dont really have the cash for it.
But what I do have, is hundreds of US dollars worth of Amazon gift cards. I got them as payment for a job years ago, and since I live in Norway I rarely get to use them.
I've used a HHKB Pro2 as a daily driver for, oh, at least 6 years, and I own quite a few others like the Choc Mini, Poker, a couple of Filcos, the old GHSS SIIG Minitouch, all of which have never been used. I also have quite a few old Cherry keyboards with card readers and integrated touchpads, etc.
But the HHKB Pro2 is showing signs of wear, some of the keys are not in tip top shape, and I think within a year or two I will need a new one. And I am not happy with any of the keyboards I have except the HHKB :-P
But man, this Whitefox board looks awesome!
I have a brother who studies in the US, so the keyboard can be shipped to him and he will bring it to Norway.
Would anyone be able to help me out? You get $200 USD in Amazon credit.
The only problem is, you cant get it until I am back from vacation, like 3rd of January.
As you can see I've been a member of GH since 2009.
I have a brother who studies in the US, so the keyboard can be shipped to him and he will bring it to Norway.
Would anyone be able to help me out? You get $200 USD in Amazon credit.
The only problem is, you cant get it until I am back from vacation, like 3rd of January.
If you like the HHKB you can get a new key cap set for it, and that solve the problem.I'm on my 4th spacebar already, this isn't about the key caps but the rubber or springs. Anyway it might be possible to repair, I have not studied it yet.
Why don't you ask your brother to buy it?? Probably he has a credit card, or can buy a prepaid credit card from any pharmacy.He is here in Norway with me for the holidays.
Question: Have you considered a split spacebar in future versions of the keyboard ? So that the left (or right) can be programmed to do backspace, or shift for example ? Coming from a Kinesis I can tell you it's great to be able to do more stuff with your thumbs!
Question: Have you considered a split spacebar in future versions of the keyboard ? So that the left (or right) can be programmed to do backspace, or shift for example ? Coming from a Kinesis I can tell you it's great to be able to do more stuff with your thumbs!
yes, that is something that I'm pondering for a future release, the problem is the mold for the 3.5u spacebar that I'm not sure it can be done.
you have just 8 hours to sort the paypal thing
you have just 8 hours to sort the paypal thing
This doesn't apply to me obviously, but isn't that a rather short time period? :eek:
you have just 8 hours to sort the paypal thing
This doesn't apply to me obviously, but isn't that a rather short time period? :eek:
you have just 8 hours to sort the paypal thing
This doesn't apply to me obviously, but isn't that a rather short time period? :eek:
I think they give you 24 hours to fix payment issues, so from midnight PST to midnight tonight.
Today I received a new test case I asked the manufacturer (we are a bit late I know, but I really wanted to try a thing).
I'm typing on the whitefox since a couple of weeks now and it's absolutely divine, but I would have liked it to be few mm shorter in height so the wrists stay in a more natural position. Please note that we are in the "fanatic" field here, nobody would have probably noticed and the previous case was just fine... but now... ohmy. This is pure heaven. It's like orgasm for your fingers.
This is the case now (left) and before (right).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1ZtnGjG.jpg)
This just to show you the level of maniacal research for perfection I'm putting into this thing.
I want to thank once again MD for accepting all my crazy last minute requests.
Today I received a new test case I asked the manufacturer (we are a bit late I know, but I really wanted to try a thing).
I'm typing on the whitefox since a couple of weeks now and it's absolutely divine, but I would have liked it to be few mm shorter in height so the wrists stay in a more natural position. Please note that we are in the "fanatic" field here, nobody would have probably noticed and the previous case was just fine... but now... ohmy. This is pure heaven. It's like orgasm for your fingers.
This is the case now (left) and before (right).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1ZtnGjG.jpg)
This just to show you the level of maniacal research for perfection I'm putting into this thing.
I want to thank once again MD for accepting all my crazy last minute requests.
Forgot to mention, kudos for making the keyboard flat, not tilted like the MagicForce and most others. Some of us need keyboards to be flat, even with negative tilt sometimes. I place my keyboards as low as possible, and use them without feet.
Unrelated request: Would you be so kind and mention how many keys the keyboard has in the OP, for each layout ? It would be nice to easily refer to this info at a glance.
Got some White Fox pixel art made in case anyone wants it.
:p
Forgot to mention, kudos for making the keyboard flat, not tilted like the MagicForce and most others. Some of us need keyboards to be flat, even with negative tilt sometimes. I place my keyboards as low as possible, and use them without feet.
Unrelated request: Would you be so kind and mention how many keys the keyboard has in the OP, for each layout ? It would be nice to easily refer to this info at a glance.
You know what the best thing would be to add to this keyboard, right? Trackpoint. Maybe you should join forces with lowpoly (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=4917.0) :-)
You know what the best thing would be to add to this keyboard, right? Trackpoint. Maybe you should join forces with lowpoly (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=4917.0) :-)
I'm not a huge fan of trackpoints especially those in the middle of the keyboard... I'm trying to find the right way to include a pointer device somehow. Maybe a small joypad to the upper right replacing the top-right key.
Got some White Fox pixel art made in case anyone wants it.
:p
has the order for this already been put through ? i saw you said it would start before christmas.
the gears already started spinning a long ago :)
has the order for this already been put through ? i saw you said it would start before christmas.
the gears already started spinning a long ago :)
Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.
:( so sad i missed the whitefox.
I'll post something regarding the development process in the coming days.
:( so sad i missed the whitefox.
Me too. :'(
I was all on board and excited, but then holiday shopping got the best of me and had to bail at the last minute. Here's hoping there's a second round.
Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?
I think this would be the place for updates. What sort of updates are you waiting on?
Do you think it would be possible to get production shots? Those would look awesome I think. Is there a place for updates?
I think this would be the place for updates. What sort of updates are you waiting on?
I'm just generally really interested in technology etc. I'm thinking pictures of the PCB's during construction, milling of cases, moulding of keycaps... They would tell a great story, but I have no idea how realistic those things are.
Manufacturing facilities do not have staff in excess as to have someone taking pictures and Matt and MD personnel are too far from manufacturing sites as to document the processes, a shot or two maybe, but not an entire documentation.
Final iteration of the White Fox pixel art. IMO they look a lot cleaner now. Thanks jb1830 for helping with these. :thumb:
VanillaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oM3HJME.png)
ISOShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/N0NF1HA.png)
AriaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Y4rtbuv.png)
WinkeylessShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1TniwZ1.png)
True FoxShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/RfQJkHt.png)
Jack of all tradesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/LZqkDgf.png)
AriaShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Y4rtbuv.png)
I published some more info about the development of the WhiteFox http://matt3o.com/whitefox-the-making-of/
Most of it is already available in the first post, but there are some additional nice curiosities you might be interested in.
I published some more info about the development of the WhiteFox http://matt3o.com/whitefox-the-making-of/
Most of it is already available in the first post, but there are some additional nice curiosities you might be interested in.
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?Possibly q4 this year
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?Possibly q4 this year
wow, the Whitefox looks great. Sorry for lazy question, but will be available to buy at any point from now?Possibly q4 this year
Yeh...
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.
Q4 is when you'd get it considering the usual 3 months production time. The drop might start earlier of course, but anyway that's mere speculation. We don't even know if we are actually going to run more.
If anyone knows it should be you :D
Maybe I remember wrong, but I think it was said the WF would (legitimately) be available from taobao at some point.
Maybe I remember wrong, but I think it was said the WF would (legitimately) be available from taobao at some point.
yes, that might happen. They asked for permission which we gave. That doesn't mean that I am getting anything from those sales, just that they will sell clones from China with our permission instead of sell anyway without our permission.
Matteo, you should make an advent calendar to the date of shipping :) Today I caught myself wistfully thinking about 2~months in the future.The waiting is the hardest part. :)
And, before you know it, round 2 will be here!
yes, that might happen. They asked for permission which we gave. That doesn't mean that I am getting anything from those sales, just that they will sell clones from China with our permission instead of sell anyway without our permission.
These are pretty much vendors working as a proxy to get the WhiteFox to customers in China. They'll order as many as they need from the actual group buy, and then distribute them to whoever buys one from their store.yes, that might happen. They asked for permission which we gave. That doesn't mean that I am getting anything from those sales, just that they will sell clones from China with our permission instead of sell anyway without our permission.
Looks like the copies are out already:
Link #1 (http://world.taobao.com/item/525141811930.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.RqypyU#detail)
Link #2 (http://world.taobao.com/item/525213166605.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.RqypyU#detail)
Do these ship immediately or is there a wait involved? Can anyone here translate?
P.S. I'm not buying that sh*t, I already joined the official drop on MD
yes, that might happen. They asked for permission which we gave. That doesn't mean that I am getting anything from those sales, just that they will sell clones from China with our permission instead of sell anyway without our permission.
Looks like the copies are out already:
Link #1 (http://world.taobao.com/item/525141811930.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.RqypyU#detail)
Link #2 (http://world.taobao.com/item/525213166605.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.RqypyU#detail)
Do these ship immediately or is there a wait involved? Can anyone here translate?
P.S. I'm not buying that sh*t, I already joined the official drop on MD
These are pretty much vendors working as a proxy to get the WhiteFox to customers in China. They'll order as many as they need from the actual group buy, and then distribute them to whoever buys one from their store.
So don't worry. It's not a copy. :D
These are pretty much vendors working as a proxy to get the WhiteFox to customers in China. They'll order as many as they need from the actual group buy, and then distribute them to whoever buys one from their store.
So don't worry. It's not a copy. :D
That's like me paying for 10 units from Massdrop and waiting for others to buy them off me (for what seems like a meagre profit)
Why couldn't the Chinese consumers get them directly from the MD GB?
It's better for a merchant/vendor to get a bulk order and then sell it to locals in China. There will be a markup, but I don't think it's as bad as getting an individual unit shipped. Might also have to do with ease of access or knowledge of the drop. Some people in China may not know about Massdrop or the fact that the WhiteFox is selling (was selling) there.
These are pretty much vendors working as a proxy to get the WhiteFox to customers in China. They'll order as many as they need from the actual group buy, and then distribute them to whoever buys one from their store.
So don't worry. It's not a copy. :D
That's like me paying for 10 units from Massdrop and waiting for others to buy them off me (for what seems like a meagre profit)
Why couldn't the Chinese consumers get them directly from the MD GB?
They could, but shipping would eat them alive (I think).
It's better for a merchant/vendor to get a bulk order and then sell it to locals in China. There will be a markup, but I don't think it's as bad as getting an individual unit shipped. Might also have to do with ease of access or knowledge of the drop. Some people in China may not know about Massdrop or the fact that the WhiteFox is selling (was selling) there.
Hi,
I am also interested in buying the whitefox and I have a few questions.
Q1: Where are the "Home" key and "End" key on white fox how do you acceess those to keys, what do you normaly press ?
Q2: Where are or how to access F1 F2 F3 ...F12 keys ?
Q3: Is it possible to buy or order SLOVENIAN keyboard layout ?
Q4 (If Q3 not possible): IS it possible tu buy custum made keycaps, I have special letters in Slovenian that I would need ?
Q5: Is is possible to program or configure keys so that I get special Slovenian letters by pressing combinations like Fn+somthing=special Slovenian sign or Whitefox key + something = special slovenian sign?
Q6: IF Q3Q4Q5 are not an option is it possible to buy DE layout (German)
Q7: Is Assembled Whitefox keyboard by default illuminated ?
I would really be happy if somene gives answers to my questions.
When will be the next drop available for whitefox ?
possibly end of the year.
Will massdrop offer more switch options for the next drop ? LIke Matias Quiet Click ?The WhiteFox PCB does not support ALPS/Matias switches. They would need to make a new PCB, plus new plates. I'd count this as unlikely.
Q1: Where are the "Home" key and "End" key on white fox how do you acceess those to keys, what do you normaly press ?
Q2: Where are or how to access F1 F2 F3 ...F12 keys ?
A1: FN+left, FN+right
A2: FN+1,2,3,4...
Will be nice if the next version supports built-in underglow. 😆
Make an acrylic diffuse layer then I guess. It's always nice to have the capability and people can choose to turn it on or not. Hope this makes senseWill be nice if the next version supports built-in underglow. 😆
??
It does not make much sense to include under-glow that will be completely blocked in a keyboard with a closed aluminum case.
Make an acrylic diffuse layer then I guess. It's always nice to have the capability and people can choose to turn it on or not. Hope this makes senseWill be nice if the next version supports built-in underglow. 😆
??
It does not make much sense to include under-glow that will be completely blocked in a keyboard with a closed aluminum case.
Hi,
I am also interested in buying the whitefox and I have a few questions.
Q1: Where are the "Home" key and "End" key on white fox how do you acceess those to keys, what do you normaly press ?
Q2: Where are or how to access F1 F2 F3 ...F12 keys ?
Q3: Is it possible to buy or order SLOVENIAN keyboard layout ?
Q4 (If Q3 not possible): IS it possible tu buy custum made keycaps, I have special letters in Slovenian that I would need ?
Q5: Is is possible to program or configure keys so that I get special Slovenian letters by pressing combinations like Fn+somthing=special Slovenian sign or Whitefox key + something = special slovenian sign?
Q6: IF Q3Q4Q5 are not an option is it possible to buy DE layout (German)
Q7: Is Assembled Whitefox keyboard by default illuminated ?
I would really be happy if somene gives answers to my questions.
A1: FN+left, FN+right
A2: FN+1,2,3,4...
A3: yes, if your OS supports it
A4: no
A5: yes, if your OS supports Slovenian
A6: the keyboard supports any layout your OS does, but only ANSI keycaps are provided
A7: yes
Hi,
I am also interested in buying the whitefox and I have a few questions.
Q1: Where are the "Home" key and "End" key on white fox how do you acceess those to keys, what do you normaly press ?
Q2: Where are or how to access F1 F2 F3 ...F12 keys ?
Q3: Is it possible to buy or order SLOVENIAN keyboard layout ?
Q4 (If Q3 not possible): IS it possible tu buy custum made keycaps, I have special letters in Slovenian that I would need ?
Q5: Is is possible to program or configure keys so that I get special Slovenian letters by pressing combinations like Fn+somthing=special Slovenian sign or Whitefox key + something = special slovenian sign?
Q6: IF Q3Q4Q5 are not an option is it possible to buy DE layout (German)
Q7: Is Assembled Whitefox keyboard by default illuminated ?
I would really be happy if somene gives answers to my questions.
A1: FN+left, FN+right
A2: FN+1,2,3,4...
A3: yes, if your OS supports it
A4: no
A5: yes, if your OS supports Slovenian
A6: the keyboard supports any layout your OS does, but only ANSI keycaps are provided
A7: yes
I think WASD keyboards can do custom keycaps, but I'm not sure. You would have to ask them.
https://github.com/kiibohd/controller
Hi Matt3o
Is there any opensource project for the firmware? I would like to configure my own macros (copy/paste/cut).
With the configurator it is not possible.
Thanks
post pictures!
Mine showed up last night. Now I just need a second to open it, take some pics, and assemble it, and take some pics again
Mine showed up last night. Now I just need a second to open it, take some pics, and assemble it, and take some pics again again.
That packaging though... :eek:+1 that poisonShow Image(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7422/27216373566_3eb5bca336_k.jpg)
WhiteFox (https://flic.kr/p/Ht22E7) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on FlickrShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7577/26643567064_cb163cdd33_k.jpg)
WhiteFox (https://flic.kr/p/GApfeW) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on FlickrShow Image(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7492/27250381235_9c1c86b240_k.jpg)
WhiteFox (https://flic.kr/p/Hw2jXe) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on FlickrShow Image(https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7469/27250380375_1fd92af3b0_k.jpg)
WhiteFox (https://flic.kr/p/Hw2jGp) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on FlickrShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7320/26643564384_3757f172e8_k.jpg)
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Man I am really hoping they do another run. I'd love to put one together.Yeah same here, I don't understand why I didn't buy one...
That packaging though... :eek:
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Matt3o, thank you SO much for organizing this project. I hope you are proud, because I am definitely gloating about this board to all of my coworkers, muahaha.
matt3o, what's the exact height of only the case (base to plate top)?
Everything is assembled, LEDs are all working fine but my WhiteFox is stuttering: "thhe quiicck brown fox jumpss over the lazy dog"
Any ideas whaht I did wrong and hhow to fiix it? :confused:
Everything is assembled, LEDs are all working fine but my WhiteFox is stuttering: "thhe quiicck brown fox jumpss over the lazy dog"
Any ideas whaht I did wrong and hhow to fiix it? :confused:
Everything is assembled, LEDs are all working fine but my WhiteFox is stuttering: "thhe quiicck brown fox jumpss over the lazy dog"
Any ideas whaht I did wrong and hhow to fiix it? :confused:
what switch did u use?
I had this issue on the 'j' when I built mine, but it went away when I reflowed the solder joints and added a bit more solder.
In less than ideal lighting conditions:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6He323Z.jpg)
Still have to order and install 1.8mm LEDs.
Everything is assembled, LEDs are all working fine but my WhiteFox is stuttering: "thhe quiicck brown fox jumpss over the lazy dog"
Any ideas whaht I did wrong and hhow to fiix it? :confused:
what switch did u use?
Purple Zealio Switches (Tactile) - 62g (round 1 GB I think? 08/26/2015)I had this issue on the 'j' when I built mine, but it went away when I reflowed the solder joints and added a bit more solder.
WhiteFox was my first real attempt at soldering so I'll have to go over the joints and see if they look problematic.
My PurpleFox :thumb:Thanks again Matt30 for this awesome board!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M98ZndK.jpg)
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Love this board. Almost wishing now that I'd got two.
Built it with stock clears. All keys are as labelled, except for esc (which is `~ with esc on the function layer) and 'menu' which is actually my function key.
I received my Whitefox a while back but I just finished building it.nice
Thanks Matt3o. The Packaging was excellent, quality of the keyboard is top notch and overall great design.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QrqQ4co.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/98gtBy2.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uSb6PGV.jpg)
I received my Whitefox a while back but I just finished building it.
Thanks Matt3o. The Packaging was excellent, quality of the keyboard is top notch and overall great design.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QrqQ4co.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/98gtBy2.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uSb6PGV.jpg)
Show Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/y0o45itgt8amkw2/IMG_20160619_170405.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/295aaivu7895jot/IMG_20160619_170410.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/fztf32id5z512xu/IMG_20160619_170415.jpg)
Love this board. Almost wishing now that I'd got two.
Built it with stock clears. All keys are as labelled, except for esc (which is `~ with esc on the function layer) and 'menu' which is actually my function key.
Hi matt3o, it seems that some people who ordered early in Batch #1 are receiving boards without engraving. Could you please comment on this?
...my educated guess is that the manufacturer put the PRIMA engraving in the order they produced the keyboards (which is not the same as users' order number). MassDrop couldn't fix that because of the many options the whitefox came with. It is very unfortunate but I believe it comes from a miscommunication between MD and the manufacturer.
I'm having an issue where my whitefox operates as if i'm always pressing down the control key, even after I desoldered and removed those switches. Can someone help me troubleshoot this?
Yes, sorry, should have said. Flashed several times, doesn't change.I'm having an issue where my whitefox operates as if i'm always pressing down the control key, even after I desoldered and removed those switches. Can someone help me troubleshoot this?
Did you use the firmware configurator, or are you using the firmware that came on the board originally?
Yes, sorry, should have said. Flashed several times, doesn't change.I'm having an issue where my whitefox operates as if i'm always pressing down the control key, even after I desoldered and removed those switches. Can someone help me troubleshoot this?
Did you use the firmware configurator, or are you using the firmware that came on the board originally?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4AfTVpoQat5clBUUTJVV0stSkU (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4AfTVpoQat5clBUUTJVV0stSkU)Yes, sorry, should have said. Flashed several times, doesn't change.I'm having an issue where my whitefox operates as if i'm always pressing down the control key, even after I desoldered and removed those switches. Can someone help me troubleshoot this?
Did you use the firmware configurator, or are you using the firmware that came on the board originally?
Can you post the zip file you downloaded with firmware? I remember having some trouble with mine with keys not matching what the configurator said, and I wonder if this is a related problem.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4AfTVpoQat5clBUUTJVV0stSkU (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4AfTVpoQat5clBUUTJVV0stSkU)Yes, sorry, should have said. Flashed several times, doesn't change.I'm having an issue where my whitefox operates as if i'm always pressing down the control key, even after I desoldered and removed those switches. Can someone help me troubleshoot this?
Did you use the firmware configurator, or are you using the firmware that came on the board originally?
Can you post the zip file you downloaded with firmware? I remember having some trouble with mine with keys not matching what the configurator said, and I wonder if this is a related problem.
No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4AfTVpoQat5clBUUTJVV0stSkU (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4AfTVpoQat5clBUUTJVV0stSkU)Yes, sorry, should have said. Flashed several times, doesn't change.I'm having an issue where my whitefox operates as if i'm always pressing down the control key, even after I desoldered and removed those switches. Can someone help me troubleshoot this?
Did you use the firmware configurator, or are you using the firmware that came on the board originally?
Can you post the zip file you downloaded with firmware? I remember having some trouble with mine with keys not matching what the configurator said, and I wonder if this is a related problem.
Do you know if both ctrl keys are being held down or if it's only one or the other?
No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.
Ah, right ctrl. Similar program I was using wasn't seeing either register.No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.
That's not quite what I meant -- does it appear to the computer that both keys are held down, or is it a particular keycode that's being sent. Try something like aquakeytest if you're on Windows, or xev if you're on mac/linux.
Ah, right ctrl. Similar program I was using wasn't seeing either register.No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.
That's not quite what I meant -- does it appear to the computer that both keys are held down, or is it a particular keycode that's being sent. Try something like aquakeytest if you're on Windows, or xev if you're on mac/linux.
Still sending right control.Ah, right ctrl. Similar program I was using wasn't seeing either register.No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.
That's not quite what I meant -- does it appear to the computer that both keys are held down, or is it a particular keycode that's being sent. Try something like aquakeytest if you're on Windows, or xev if you're on mac/linux.
What happens if you reflash so that the key that currently is assigned as right ctrl is now assigned as something else? Is the new key held down, or is it still sending right ctrl all the time?
Still sending right control.Ah, right ctrl. Similar program I was using wasn't seeing either register.No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.
That's not quite what I meant -- does it appear to the computer that both keys are held down, or is it a particular keycode that's being sent. Try something like aquakeytest if you're on Windows, or xev if you're on mac/linux.
What happens if you reflash so that the key that currently is assigned as right ctrl is now assigned as something else? Is the new key held down, or is it still sending right ctrl all the time?
Still sending right control.Ah, right ctrl. Similar program I was using wasn't seeing either register.No, shouldn't be either. I desoldered and removed the switches entirely thinking that would answer the question you're asking.
That's not quite what I meant -- does it appear to the computer that both keys are held down, or is it a particular keycode that's being sent. Try something like aquakeytest if you're on Windows, or xev if you're on mac/linux.
What happens if you reflash so that the key that currently is assigned as right ctrl is now assigned as something else? Is the new key held down, or is it still sending right ctrl all the time?
So there's no right control assigned anywhere in the keymap, but it's still sending that key all the time? All I can think of is that there's some bug in the source code or some physical issue with your keyboard. Has it always had this issue?
we need to see your solder job!
This is going to be embarrassing but ok. http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7 (http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7) Not my first time but it's been a while.
Yeah, had to switch to a new brand fairly early and the temp difference threw me, that and being afraid to scorch the first gen zeals further harmed my already novice technique. But I swear I've gotten the hang of it now that I've already screwed up.This is going to be embarrassing but ok. http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7 (http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7) Not my first time but it's been a while.
Yeah that's fairly bad soldering :( Soldering advice aside (hop on irc if you want that), I think you have a solder bridge on the spacebar switch. The right pin seems to have a bit of solder going up to an empty pad in the adjacent position. In that position, the empty pad is the other pin of the same switch, so effectively that would short the switch and could confuse the controller. Use clean and shiny solder tip with a bit of flux to get the excess solder off and clear the bridge.
Yeah, had to switch to a new brand fairly early and the temp difference threw me, that and being afraid to scorch the first gen zeals further harmed my already novice technique. But I swear I've gotten the hang of it now that I've already screwed up.This is going to be embarrassing but ok. http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7 (http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7) Not my first time but it's been a while.
Yeah that's fairly bad soldering :( Soldering advice aside (hop on irc if you want that), I think you have a solder bridge on the spacebar switch. The right pin seems to have a bit of solder going up to an empty pad in the adjacent position. In that position, the empty pad is the other pin of the same switch, so effectively that would short the switch and could confuse the controller. Use clean and shiny solder tip with a bit of flux to get the excess solder off and clear the bridge.
Advice on the space bar was spot on, thanks!! Got it working. Right control and "K" still giving me trouble.
This is going to be embarrassing but ok. Not my first time but it's been a while.
Glad I didn't say "be gentle" :-XThis is going to be embarrassing but ok. Not my first time but it's been a while.
that's what she said ;)
This is going to be embarrassing but ok. http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7 (http://imgur.com/a/DOnn7) Not my first time but it's been a while.
phew new drop
phew new drop
so it seems... :blank:
okay so posting this again :)Was hoping we would see this version now. Maybe next time?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3EpU5ky.png)
(special edition, not sure it will be made, but the case will be gold anodized)
phew new drop
so it seems... :blank:
Hello,
Does anybody know where I could buy a Azerty key set for the white fox ?
Ideally that look the same so I can keep the fox keys ?
Thanks
Hello,
Does anybody know where I could buy a Azerty key set for the white fox ?
Ideally that look the same so I can keep the fox keys ?
Thanks
As far as I know, Azerty isn't supported by the international expansion because it's not used enough to ever meet MOQs (I was in the same boat with Belgian Azerty). Switch to Qwerty and use the international layout, I can type anything I want in French :p
You can always use the alphas of an original Azerty key set, along with the modifiers of the Fox, or any other alternative key set that matches its modifiers.
You can always use the alphas of an original Azerty key set, along with the modifiers of the Fox, or any other alternative key set that matches its modifiers.
Hi I've been directed by eksuen to WASD : 88-key-iso-cherry-mx-keycap-set (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keycap-set/88-key-iso-cherry-mx-keycap-set.html)
I should be able to get an Azerty cherry mx set of keys from them.
I believe the oly key that is fox specific is the right shift...
Thanks for the reply.
I am afraid those key caps are too cheap to be considered, their only advantage is that you can get them printed as you wish, I can make some pictures comparing some of them with OG Cherry and Granite as reference; but, believe me when I say that you'd better save some money and invest in a good set instead.
I am afraid those key caps are too cheap to be considered, their only advantage is that you can get them printed as you wish, I can make some pictures comparing some of them with OG Cherry and Granite as reference; but, believe me when I say that you'd better save some money and invest in a good set instead.
Arg !
What do you have in mind ?
Where can I buy good quality cherry mx caps and have them in Azerty ?
I don't think I'll join the drop that ends in 5 days if I dont have a clear view regarding the Azerty caps solution.
I am afraid those key caps are too cheap to be considered, their only advantage is that you can get them printed as you wish, I can make some pictures comparing some of them with OG Cherry and Granite as reference; but, believe me when I say that you'd better save some money and invest in a good set instead.
Arg !
What do you have in mind ?
Where can I buy good quality cherry mx caps and have them in Azerty ?
I don't think I'll join the drop that ends in 5 days if I dont have a clear view regarding the Azerty caps solution.
Wait, so does the plate support switch-top removal?
Wait, so does the plate support switch-top removal?
Can confirm, the R2 WhiteFox allows for switchtop removal.new be here. sorry for asking what is 'switchtop removal' and what is the average pricepoint of WhiteFox?
new be here. sorry for asking what is 'switchtop removal' and what is the average pricepoint of WhiteFox?
Does the WhiteFox support full RGB lighting through hardware and firmware?
switch top cover without desoldering the whole switch.Ahh now i get it, thanks for the explanation. It means that one could disassemble the switch and, for example, exchange the inside spring, while the bottom switch half remains soldered to the PCB. I was thinking that every mount plate is or should be constructed that way.
The long journey of the WhiteFoxThe op was composed in Q4/2015. Minus the quoted 4 years … so the long search journey started in 2011, is that correct?
A 4 years long adventure in search of the perfect 65%