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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #150 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 02:22:25 »
He did give straight answers. [...] That's obviously, demonstrably not true.
I think you missed the conversation in question, wherein the waytools guy was totally paranoid and spent thousands of words insulting potential customers and questioning their intentions based on their polite and clearly stated questions.

I’m guessing he was just experiencing some stress-related burnout in the middle of an intense job, and lost perspective a bit. Even good people sometimes go crazy when they’re stressed and sleep deprived. Hopefully he has calmed down a bit and sorted his life out a bit in the mean time, and can go back to being a run-of-the-mill slightly-off-putting arrogant engineer, instead of the customer service trainwreck he was for a couple weeks.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 15:20:45 »
Funny, on the website, the last listing under "Blog and Press Releases" is Word Crimes by Weird Al.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #152 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 17:01:22 »
Looks interesting, and the history behind this is pretty interesting
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #153 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 04:30:16 »
Sooo... anyone got theirs yet? Any updates?
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #154 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 13:55:03 »
Negative. Pretty sure they're still working out firmware issues.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #155 on: Sat, 12 September 2015, 20:35:48 »
A venturous geek-hacker and early bird buyer may share his/her experience with the community?

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #156 on: Sat, 12 September 2015, 21:37:26 »
A venturous geek-hacker and early bird buyer may share his/her experience with the community?

Yeah I was one of the first to order and it still hasn't shipped yet, nothing to share other than they keep delaying.

Really thinking about getting a refund as they've made it clear android support will probably not be done for months after they start shipping, whenever that is.

From there forums here is how progress goes...

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WayTools Team  1d Ago
    We've made good progress and the firmware checklist just got shorter.
Several items now checked off.  Summary of key areas is now up on order status pages.
Getting close, and the revisions are working out nicely.   
Very fun machine.  Hard to do.  But really cool.
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #157 on: Sat, 12 September 2015, 21:52:44 »
A venturous geek-hacker and early bird buyer may share his/her experience with the community?

Yeah I was one of the first to order and it still hasn't shipped yet, nothing to share other than they keep delaying.

Really thinking about getting a refund as they've made it clear android support will probably not be done for months after they start shipping, whenever that is.

From there forums here is how progress goes...

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WayTools Team  1d Ago
    We've made good progress and the firmware checklist just got shorter.
Several items now checked off.  Summary of key areas is now up on order status pages.
Getting close, and the revisions are working out nicely.   
Very fun machine.  Hard to do.  But really cool.

It does not come as a surprise you were one of the early bird buyers Ray.

Their progress does not seem good though. If you decide to wait, please be sure to make a review, you are one of the pioneering spirits around, and the community is fortunate to count on you.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #158 on: Sat, 12 September 2015, 22:49:00 »
Whenever someone says something like “we have a brand new hardware device, we almost finished our functional prototype, and we’ll be shipping pre-orders within 2 months”, just adjust the estimate upward by about 12–24 additional months and assume there’s a 30% chance of complete failure where the money vanishes.

Then if they actually manage to ship within a few months of their original estimate, you can be happily surprised, but you won’t be so disappointed in the cases where the ship date slips by a year.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #159 on: Sat, 12 September 2015, 23:56:26 »
Something about all this reminds me of that Dragonfly phone scam. The charger is cool though.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #160 on: Sat, 12 September 2015, 23:59:29 »
Unfortunately, engineering has to solve, what designers did not care to verify during early stages of the development. Besides, marketing is always pushing all to go to the market when the baby is still an embryo. The final result is people waiting for a "product" that was only an idea.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #161 on: Wed, 16 September 2015, 22:38:11 »
He did give straight answers. [...] That's obviously, demonstrably not true.
I think you missed the conversation in question, wherein the waytools guy was totally paranoid and spent thousands of words insulting potential customers and questioning their intentions based on their polite and clearly stated questions.

I’m guessing he was just experiencing some stress-related burnout in the middle of an intense job, and lost perspective a bit. Even good people sometimes go crazy when they’re stressed and sleep deprived. Hopefully he has calmed down a bit and sorted his life out a bit in the mean time, and can go back to being a run-of-the-mill slightly-off-putting arrogant engineer, instead of the customer service trainwreck he was for a couple weeks.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #162 on: Sat, 06 February 2016, 16:21:05 »
So did this thing ever ship?

Any of the pre-orderers get one? (I didn’t order one, just curious.) It’s been like 10 months since their supposed ship date, and I haven’t heard anything about this thing in at least 3–4 months.
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #163 on: Sat, 06 February 2016, 16:39:42 »
Not yet. Still waiting.

To be clear, I'm more than happy to wait. I have more than enough to keep me busy. And while I definitely disagree with the lack of communication and how poorly WT has handled deadlines, I definitely understand and sympathize with the difficulties of building such and intricate and sensitive piece of hardware, and all the software that goes along with it (tbh I thought their original ship estimate was ludicrous).
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #164 on: Sat, 06 February 2016, 16:42:10 »

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #165 on: Sat, 06 February 2016, 16:56:05 »
I requested a refund back in early december.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #166 on: Sat, 06 February 2016, 17:28:41 »
Yeah... their forum isn’t pretty.

https://capacify.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/textblade-case-study-v2-1.pdf

I wonder why that case study article did not mention the horrible public-relations aspect of WayTools--particularly how the company behaved in its forum. People who complained about the delay would sometimes get their orders cancelled without permission, and sometimes also got accused of being shills from competition. WayTools' public face that was interacting with customers in the forum was some haughty engineer with terrible social skills (bordering on Asperger's at times), who seemed to only pour oil on the fire and only after overwhelming criticism from the people in the forums that WayTools seemed to either have appointed someone else to take over as the public face, or that person finally learned to change his behavior.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #167 on: Sat, 06 February 2016, 18:42:27 »
I requested a refund back in early december.

Probably needs crowdfunding to honor.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #168 on: Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:10:41 »
Always had a bad feeling about this.  Glad I never gave them any money.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #169 on: Tue, 09 February 2016, 20:53:12 »
So still not confirmed vaporware status, or in the hands of any real users huh?
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #170 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 03:07:24 »
So still not confirmed vaporware status, or in the hands of any real users huh?

Kind of, I've got one as part of the pre release test group. Arrived a week ago so I'm mostly acclimatized to it now. They aren't shipping regular orders yet but it seems like that will actually happen soon. I say that just based on my experience that it's real and it works well, I don't have any specific insider knowledge of their plan for release timing or what issues they intend to clear before they release.

Very happy with it though, it's pretty amazing what they've achieved with it.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #171 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 04:23:15 »
I'm too drunk to quote. Good night.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #172 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 05:37:31 »
"WayTools builds tools  for living, that do more, with less. Less hassle to use, less waste upon the Earth, and less conflict between people." 

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #173 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 11:15:47 »
"WayTools builds tools  for living, that do more, with less. Less hassle to use, less waste upon the Earth, and less conflict between people." 

:?O

Well it certainly is 'less', it's tiny and about 1.5oz

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #174 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 11:22:18 »
"WayTools builds tools  for living, that do more, with less. Less hassle to use, less waste upon the Earth, and less conflict between people." 

:?O

Well it certainly is 'less', it's tiny and about 1.5oz
Did they ever get around to adding android support?

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #175 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 16:18:23 »
So still not confirmed vaporware status, or in the hands of any real users huh?

Kind of, I've got one as part of the pre release test group. Arrived a week ago so I'm mostly acclimatized to it now. They aren't shipping regular orders yet but it seems like that will actually happen soon. I say that just based on my experience that it's real and it works well, I don't have any specific insider knowledge of their plan for release timing or what issues they intend to clear before they release.

Very happy with it though, it's pretty amazing what they've achieved with it.

This is actually quite reassuring, thank you.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #176 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 22:26:59 »
He did give straight answers. [...] That's obviously, demonstrably not true.
I think you missed the conversation in question, wherein the waytools guy was totally paranoid and spent thousands of words insulting potential customers and questioning their intentions based on their polite and clearly stated questions.

I’m guessing he was just experiencing some stress-related burnout in the middle of an intense job, and lost perspective a bit. Even good people sometimes go crazy when they’re stressed and sleep deprived. Hopefully he has calmed down a bit and sorted his life out a bit in the mean time, and can go back to being a run-of-the-mill slightly-off-putting arrogant engineer, instead of the customer service trainwreck he was for a couple weeks.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #177 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 04:29:29 »
Did they ever get around to adding android support?

Nope. They've always maintained it would arrive a couple of months after general release. That said, the track record for estimating timing has been, ahem, poor.

It will work with Android right now, but if you want to customize layouts, tune settings etc you'd need access to iOS to run the app.
 

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #178 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 07:13:05 »


Did they ever get around to adding android support?

Nope. They've always maintained it would arrive a couple of months after general release. That said, the track record for estimating timing has been, ahem, poor.

It will work with Android right now, but if you want to customize layouts, tune settings etc you'd need access to iOS to run the app.

Which makes me thing possibly never.

Glad I got out when I did. I still thinks its cool but they've handled things very poorly.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #179 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 08:54:11 »

Which makes me thing possibly never.

Glad I got out when I did. I still thinks its cool but they've handled things very poorly.

I'm certain the Android app will arrive, no way they'd ignore such a large market when the thing is specifically targeted at phone & tablet use. I'm also pretty sure it will take a fair bit longer than the couple of months after general release.

At a blind guess I'd say nearer the end of the year.

Personally now I've experienced it if I was on Android I'd still get one and bug iOS friends occasionally when I need an update or change. Even in just 'static config' it's a great device, but I can completely understand some folk would never want to do that.


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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #180 on: Mon, 16 January 2017, 13:52:13 »
Did anyone from here ever get one of these??

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #181 on: Mon, 16 January 2017, 13:59:09 »
They haven't launched yet, much to everyone's dissatisfaction. But it's not vaporware either. Dozens of people have received test units and they regularly post about it on the forum. Who knows when they'll decide it's ready to ship.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #182 on: Tue, 17 January 2017, 20:15:28 »
They haven't launched yet, much to everyone's dissatisfaction. But it's not vaporware either. Dozens of people have received test units and they regularly post about it on the forum. Who knows when they'll decide it's ready to ship.

So, how many years late is it now?

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #183 on: Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:56:53 »
Even though it's not mechanical I kinda like the idea. I might grab one when it comes out.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #184 on: Wed, 18 January 2017, 14:13:19 »
Even though it's not mechanical I kinda like the idea. I might grab one when it comes out.

I think it qualifies as mechanical? If you want to get that strict, then Topre would not be considered mechanical, yet it is one of the most beloved switch types in the mechanical keyboard community.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #185 on: Thu, 19 January 2017, 02:47:41 »
That is SO racist...

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #186 on: Thu, 19 January 2017, 04:15:53 »
If you want to get that strict, then Topre would not be considered mechanical, yet it is one of the most beloved switch types in the mechanical keyboard community.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #187 on: Sat, 04 November 2017, 20:36:49 »
Can't believe this thing still hasn't been released.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #188 on: Sat, 04 November 2017, 21:09:12 »
Can't believe this thing still hasn't been released.

Can't believe someone still thinks it will be released.
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #189 on: Sat, 04 November 2017, 21:22:02 »
Such a sad incredible scam.  A very cool idea but just wow.  Gullible isn't in the dictionary
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #190 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 22:31:16 »
Waytools' actions are not consistent with a company running a scam, IMO.

On the one hand, they've produced a lot of expensive parts, enough for many hundreds of units (https://capacify.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/textblade-case-study-v2-1.pdf).  They've also sent out dozens of fully functional prototype units out to testers (the accounts from testers are not consistent with sock puppet accounts run by PR guys... way too varied and not universally glowing), and they've gone to the trouble of iterating 3 major hardware revisions (at least, that's the count I got reading some forum posts).

Yet for all of this expenditure, they're not really hitting the gas on any kind of marketing push.  Instead, they keep describing production problems in detail.  If I were going to make some really impressive prototypes then run a scam, I'd handle it very differently.  I'd do a big Kickstarter push, followed by an Indiegogo before the Kickstarter delivered (painting a rosy picture of the Kickstarter units' production, all the while), and then run for it.  I would not produce dozens of test units and provide support to testers.  If they're running a scam, they're really bad at it.

The stuff I've seen that company do is far more consistent with a hardware startup that's trying to make a thing, but encountering problems with producing things in China.  Quality control ain't the same over there.  There are a lot of unknowns around every corner when you try to scale up production as a new company.

The evidence I see indicates that maybe we should cut those guys some slack.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #191 on: Tue, 12 December 2017, 22:34:24 »
I was excited about this when it was announced.  I never bought in because I usually don't do preorders, and I forgot about it.  Amazing that they still haven't launched.

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #192 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 10:42:11 »
Aww this was such a sad thread to go through  :( I was reading through from the beginning and thought for sure that more than 2 years later it would have been released...

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #193 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 12:51:12 »
Was very excited when it came out too. To the point I actually made a pre-order, however signs on the wall were there and asked for a refund, which was properly done.

As mentioned above, sad thread, but I believe it to not be a scam.
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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #195 on: Thu, 21 December 2017, 08:30:56 »
What I don't understand is how those guys put food on the table.  How do you go several years in development without any revenue?   Is Waytools just the side gig of a bunch of engineers, or what?

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Re: TextBlade Portable Keyboard
« Reply #196 on: Thu, 21 December 2017, 08:33:53 »
I've always felt that this forum gets too crazy with quoting. I like it when forums only quote 1 or two levels deep. Make things much more readable.

I agree. I wish this forum were like that. Sometimes you need to quote the previous poster, but if you're on mobile, it's near impossible to edit out all the previous posts successfully.

If you use Firefox for Android it supports userstyle addons, which allows adding de-nesting quote userstyles like the one in my sig.

Edit: holy old post quote, Batman.