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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #200 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 20:59:07 »
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if the quantity is limited would it come out to a first come first serve basis?

Yes, first come first serve

Will you be referencing the IC for who filled the form first?

no, IC is only setup to gather information.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #201 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:20:17 »
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if the quantity is limited would it come out to a first come first serve basis?

Yes, first come first serve

Will you be referencing the IC for who filled the form first?

no, IC is only setup to gather information.

So when do orders start?
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #202 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:22:18 »
Hopefully soon, with a specific amount such as this :D

Btw boost, how exactly do you choose who gets and who doesn't. I know the price has not been confirmed, but I don't expect everyone to be willing to pay the cost.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #203 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:28:04 »
Quote from: whiskerBox on Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:20:17
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if the quantity is limited would it come out to a first come first serve basis?

Yes, first come first serve

Will you be referencing the IC for who filled the form first?

no, IC is only setup to gather information.

So when do orders start?


Order will start once the design is done and made.

Quote from: iArson on Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:22:18
Hopefully soon, with a specific amount such as this :D

Btw boost, how exactly do you choose who gets and who doesn't. I know the price has not been confirmed, but I don't expect everyone to be willing to pay the cost.

I will give a date and time to when the orders will open and you submit google docs forum as it time stamps pretty good.

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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #204 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:30:51 »
Sounds good thanks :D
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #205 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:32:27 »
Why limit the number of orders at all?
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #206 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:37:48 »
Quote from: metalliqaz on Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:32:27
Why limit the number of orders at all?

Limited amount of PCB's being made.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #207 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:41:00 »
Again, why?  There is no reason to limit PCBs other to impose artificial scarcity.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #208 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:42:34 »
Quote from: metalliqaz on Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:41:00
Again, why?  There is no reason to limit PCBs other to impose artificial scarcity.

You know, I'm kinda glad someone agrees with me on this.  I see this IC go up and think "Oh, they'll base number of units to build off of this, good job specialty keyboard maker" and then it's "Only 50 will be made" and I'm now "Why is this a thread, then?"
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #209 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:45:17 »
You have no idea where the machine time is coming from.  Maybe it's a busy shop that allows 'whomever' machine time for cheap for short runs?  On the other hand the traditional reason for small runs of Korean boards is the lack of space for staging packaging and shipping.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #210 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:48:23 »
I think 50 is a lot. I could be wrong, but I think LZs GBs are usually smaller than that.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #211 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:51:32 »
^ Yup  and isn't there going to be a second run or something?
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #212 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:57:55 »
Quote from: alaricljs on Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:45:17
You have no idea where the machine time is coming from.  Maybe it's a busy shop that allows 'whomever' machine time for cheap for short runs?  On the other hand the traditional reason for small runs of Korean boards is the lack of space for staging packaging and shipping.

I totally went dyslexic and read "time machine" and got confused.

Quote from: reaper on Thu, 17 January 2013, 21:51:32
^ Yup  and isn't there going to be a second run or something?

Then, why not take this IC as what it should be meant for and go "Ok, there's enough interest to build 84.3 of these, we'll do it in two runs of 42.15, who can wait an extra month?"  instead of trying to artificially inflate rareness by telling almost 85 people that only 50 will be made, even though you have plans for a second run.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #213 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:02:09 »
it might be two runs for a total of 50 or two runs of 50 IDK. Either way atleast 50 people will be happy
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #214 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:03:10 »
Quote from: Acetrak on Thu, 17 January 2013, 16:30:53
Vintage sets are a big hit among hobbyists, specifically genuine Cherry sets. Many people also find no use for their menu key and Windows key and prefer 84 and or 86 layout more

Many people need to familiarize themselves with the very useful hotkeys that involve the Windows key. :P
On some Linux distributions the "Super" key is used frequently as well.
For keyboard enthusiasts, a lot of people rely on mousing around to get things done.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #215 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:04:46 »
Quote from: oneproduct on Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:03:10
Quote from: Acetrak on Thu, 17 January 2013, 16:30:53
Vintage sets are a big hit among hobbyists, specifically genuine Cherry sets. Many people also find no use for their menu key and Windows key and prefer 84 and or 86 layout more

Many people need to familiarize themselves with the very useful hotkeys that involve the Windows key. :P
On some Linux distributions the "Super" key is used frequently as well.
For keyboard enthusiasts, a lot of people rely on mousing around to get things done.

Yeah, but with a fully programmable board, why can't a 84/86 key layout have a win/super key for those that want it?

Quote from: whiskerBox on Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:02:09
it might be to runs for a total of 50 or two runs of 50 IDK. Either way atleast 50 people will be happy

To be fair, it feels like a million billion people are clamoring here for one, but that total may only be 49-53.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #216 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:08:17 »
Boost, do you know the eta of when the GB will be green lit?
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #217 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:10:41 »
I think it would probably be best to see the design and pricing before knowing how many people are actually going to purchase. This is an interest check after all. I will definitely be getting one as I have wanted a Korean board for a while now and 84-86 key layout is what I am shooting for =D
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #218 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:13:15 »
wow, this is awesome! love it !
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #219 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:17:33 »
No green light on the eta yet...
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #220 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:25:23 »
Quote from: tjcaustin on Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:04:46
Quote from: oneproduct on Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:03:10
Quote from: Acetrak on Thu, 17 January 2013, 16:30:53
Vintage sets are a big hit among hobbyists, specifically genuine Cherry sets. Many people also find no use for their menu key and Windows key and prefer 84 and or 86 layout more

Many people need to familiarize themselves with the very useful hotkeys that involve the Windows key. :P
On some Linux distributions the "Super" key is used frequently as well.
For keyboard enthusiasts, a lot of people rely on mousing around to get things done.

Yeah, but with a fully programmable board, why can't a 84/86 key layout have a win/super key for those that want it?

I was simply commenting on how people who find the Windows key is useless should learn its many useful features. "Winkeyless" is almost more of a fad than a reasonable configuration except for those that are trying to use old keycap sets with them, which is a fine motivation. I could also understand it for people who are hardcore gamers for whom pressing the Windows key by mistake is a big deal.

For example, how do you launch your programs in Windows? Most people probably use their mouse and either single click on the programs pinned to their start bar, double click a shortcut on their desktop, or click on the start menu button and navigate to the program they want. If you use the Windows key, Win+# will launch the #th thing on your start bar and pressing Win then just typing will search for programs, files and menus. For example, if you press Win then type "fire" you can probably press Enter and you'll launch Firefox without having to use your mouse. While Ctrl+Esc can simulate a Win click, you can't combine it with any other keys, e.g. Ctrl+Esc+# won't simulate Win+#.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #221 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:27:13 »
I use Alt-Tab and Launchy.... Win-Keyless is 'popular' because of vintage Cherry DS popularity. 

Now there is GMK, we can all join the vintage future.  Gimme 87 keys, damnit.    ;)

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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #222 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:30:12 »
It's all preference IMO. I use the winkey heavily at work, but not as much at home. But as a collector, it's neat to own multiple layouts, especially when my nice caps will fit :)
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #223 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:32:21 »
I've only ever used the menu key by accident.  I use meta all the time and it is become more useful with these fancy new window managers.  So 86 for me.  It's what I have on this Phantom and I am pretty happy with it.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #224 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:35:45 »
Quote from: alaricljs on Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:27:13
I use Alt-Tab and Launchy.... Win-Keyless is 'popular' because of vintage Cherry DS popularity. 

Now there is GMK, we can all join the vintage future.  Gimme 87 keys, damnit.    ;)

I'm looking forward to an 87 GMK Dolch. However since I'm looking for Colemak legends rather than Qwerty I'm not sure what my odds of actually buying a set are.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #225 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:54:29 »
I'll remain on the list, but in the hope that the key layout get's reconsidered.

GB's may offer them often (appears to be about half, based on a quick look), but it's a hassle that really doesn't do anything except make it harder and more expensive to get keys. I don't understand the attraction and keys are often overpriced as it is.


Oh, and for the hardcore gamers who worry about hitting Win by mistake, there is a ton of ways to stop this from happening, from registry tweaks to Autohotkey, to just plain disabling the switch Personally, the key is too handy to not have it.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #226 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:59:41 »
See, the thing is, I can buy an 87-key board all day. I have several of them. I can't just go to an online storefront and buy an 84-key board.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #227 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:01:29 »
nothing beats the 1.5 mods and 7x spacebar!!!!

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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #228 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:02:03 »

+ if you want a winkey get an 86key they have  1x win keys
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #229 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:04:34 »
Quote from: boost on Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:01:29
nothing beats the 1.5 mods and 7x spacebar!!!!


^ This.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #230 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:04:40 »
Quote from: jdcarpe on Thu, 17 January 2013, 22:59:41
See, the thing is, I can buy an 87-key board all day. I have several of them. I can't just go to an online storefront and buy an 84-key board.
This is pretty much it. If I'm going to fork out a lot of money on a board it better be something I can't get for $60.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #231 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:19:03 »
Quote from: boost on Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:01:29
nothing beats the 1.5 mods and 7x spacebar!!!!



Again I'd agree if imsto would get the molds for them and give me 1.5x mods and 7x spacebar blank pbts. Then maybe I'd actually have a 86 key board.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #232 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:54:42 »
Umm I removed my winkey on my filco, doesn't do any good when playing games where you can misclick by using ctrl a lot (ex. starcraft, cs go etc) and I don't use it at all in any other cases.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #233 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:27:42 »
Seems like the LZ-GH design was just posted up. =D
http://red-line.kr/
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #234 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:40:21 »
Quote from: Leewei on Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:27:42
Seems like the LZ-GH design was just posted up. =D
http://red-line.kr/
it looks awesome !
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #235 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:44:19 »
How do you find it on that page? I cant find anything, since the site is semi-english, google translate wont work.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #236 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:44:55 »
Looks sleek.

Quote from: phetto on Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:44:19
How do you find it on that page? I cant find anything, since the site is semi-english, google translate wont work.

It popped up no problem when I clicked the link.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #237 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:50:08 »
Quote from: phetto on Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:44:19
How do you find it on that page? I cant find anything, since the site is semi-english, google translate wont work.
Sometimes it might be slow to load. You don't need to google translate anything, it is just a picture. The link should take you there, try refreshing! =)
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #238 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:52:58 »
Oh so its the one at the start page?
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« Reply #239 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:57:11 »
Quote from: phetto on Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:52:58
Oh so its the one at the start page?
Yup it should have a caption saying LZ-GH 86 at the bottom.
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #240 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:58:16 »

From the 2nd page...

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« Reply #241 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 01:02:54 »
winkey :(
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #242 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 01:24:51 »
Check the site again. There is a winkeyless option! =D
http://red-line.kr/
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« Reply #243 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 02:16:45 »
WINKEYLESS!
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #244 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 02:47:34 »
At which point would enthusiasts feel that the price does not justify the keyboard?
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« Reply #245 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:04:20 »
Probably once it starts getting closer to $500?
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« Reply #246 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:34:09 »
Quote from: esoomenona on Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:04:20
Probably once it starts getting closer to $500?

This
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[IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #247 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:41:53 »
Just though I would see if these Korean keyboards can use costar stabilizers or are they limited to cherry stabs?
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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #248 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:59:20 »
Quote from: whiskerBox on Thu, 17 January 2013, 23:02:03
+ if you want a winkey get an 86key they have  1x win keys
Honestly, I'm pretty ambivalent about the win key. I prefer it, but I can live without.

Other than the key size though, this keyboard is pretty much exactly what I have been looking for.
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Definitive Omron Guide. | 3d printed Keyboard FAQ/Discussion

Offline mm87

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Re: [IC] LZ-GH Keyboard
« Reply #249 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 06:14:34 »
Excited for the 84key WKL, and hoping one of the colors will be black or titanium.
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