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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 05 January 2022, 07:17:00 »
ISO option please

Hmm, that will need a different top case.

Yes, please! :cool:
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 05 January 2022, 08:12:24 »
ISO option please

Hmm, that will need a different top case.

Yes, please! :cool:

I'm not sure this will ever be a thing; I mean I've seen some alice-layout boards with ISO support, and I know there is the Virgo, but here it would ask a redesign of the right part of the top case for only a couple of ISO users (I was an ISO user but let's face it, we are a really small minority).

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 05 January 2022, 22:57:16 »
Hey, folks. Just a quick note. Not sure whether it's been pointed out yet or not, but the name "sand glass" is probably not the best choice. In English, we'd typically call this sort of sand timer an "hourglass." The "hourglass" shape is commonly referenced to describe objects with this sort of profile.

I don't know if it matters or is too late or whatever, but calling it "hourglass" might be more elegant and appropriate in English.

I'm not sure about this. Isn't an hourglass basically a sandglass that can count for about 1 hour?

“Hourglass” is a much more commonly used term in English, at least here in North America. “Sand glass” is relatively uncommon.

One of the top hits on Google for “sandglass” is a Korean TV series, which might explain why the word seems common to you?  :)

When I see the shape of this keyboard and wrist rest, I think “hourglass,” since that’s the word I’d use for that object. I expect other native English speakers would agree, for whatever it’s worth.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 06 January 2022, 12:00:59 »
I'm not sure this will ever be a thing; I mean I've seen some alice-layout boards with ISO support, and I know there is the Virgo, but here it would ask a redesign of the right part of the top case for only a couple of ISO users (I was an ISO user but let's face it, we are a really small minority).

I totally agree with you about ISO users, we are indeed a very small minority :p

But... if we can't ever have a chance... nothing will ever change. If I'm right, this project is still nearing completion, so why not make our voices heard? It would be nice to have a form to poll ISO interest for this forum - there really isn't much of a choice today, I hope the ISO lovers will make themselves heard!

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 06 January 2022, 12:20:26 »
I'm not sure this will ever be a thing; I mean I've seen some alice-layout boards with ISO support, and I know there is the Virgo, but here it would ask a redesign of the right part of the top case for only a couple of ISO users (I was an ISO user but let's face it, we are a really small minority).

I totally agree with you about ISO users, we are indeed a very small minority :p

But... if we can't ever have a chance... nothing will ever change. If I'm right, this project is still nearing completion, so why not make our voices heard? It would be nice to have a form to poll ISO interest for this forum - there really isn't much of a choice today, I hope the ISO lovers will make themselves heard!

Absolutely no harm in doing so, but I've also learn to not hope for ISO things to happen. In this particular case (pun intended), you would have to rework the border next to the pipe key to allow for the ISO Return key to fit which would mean either having no bezel there or shifting the entire TKL cluster to the right to allow for some space between the return key and the cluster.



While doable, for sure, this means Fox lab needs to design two top cases because that new design won't work for ANSI users (majority) and also means the ISO parts will be (much) more expensive and Fox lab will need to spend considerably more time during QC and, potentially, working with the factory if there is an issue with the ISO case (since you can't just order X more as a backup in case of issues and sell them later, without being sure they will sell).

In the end, it's always the same debate of "is it worth it for the designer/manufacturer" (yes, I hate myself for being the devil's advocate).

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 06 January 2022, 19:08:41 »
Please tell me it supports split backspace ?
       

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 07 January 2022, 08:47:18 »
This is an automatic cop for me! Very excited to see where this goes!
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 07 January 2022, 09:30:17 »
We name this kit Sand Glass Ergo for the shape of its top exterior outline.
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 07 January 2022, 09:45:14 »
Please tell me it supports split backspace ?

Why? its a TKL...

There are plenty of TKL's that support split backspace
       

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 07 January 2022, 10:55:05 »
In the end, it's always the same debate of "is it worth it for the designer/manufacturer" (yes, I hate myself for being the devil's advocate).

Or ... it is always the same dog that bites its tail: why always think that it is not worth it?  :confused:

It would be enough just to say: "hey guys, the ISO variant can be done but it will cost more: is it okay with you?" and then let the users decide - and confirm - if there are the numbers to make it happen.  ;)
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 08 January 2022, 18:15:57 »
Very interested

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 08 January 2022, 18:58:11 »
ISO adoption is typically about 3-5% on its best days so probably not worth redesigning the entire board (which includes also doing plate and PCB! not just case) to accommodate it

split BS is a smaller ask but again, i think it's a lot less common on TKLs. my no 1 has it but only because i've been too lazy to rebuild it with full BS. 60 users like to have it to make swapping boards easier.
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 01:40:38 »
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 05:15:01 »
ISO adoption is typically about 3-5% on its best days so probably not worth redesigning the entire board (which includes also doing plate and PCB! not just case) to accommodate it

And again... what's the point? Even if it were only 1% - and those interested are willing to pay even more - what is the point of not considering the possibility regardless?

By continuing to think in this way for the ISO world it will be increasingly difficult to continue ...
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 20:13:29 »
Update: prototype cases have been made. Please check the OP. The cases turn out to be just what we expected. I'm very happy with them. I'm still working on some details as well as the plate design. The prototype PCBs should be made soon as well.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 21:13:07 »
Great to see update, looking forward to this one


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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 09:34:20 »
Will we be able to select a color for the top accent bar?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 11:33:49 »
+1 hoping for split backspace, board looks beautiful
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 11:48:40 »
Isn't the blue tad darker than the renders, is that the blue finalized?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 12:45:08 »
I was originally in on the blue but that beige is so nice in the proto
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 19:06:26 »
Looks amazing. Any sense how big the offering will be?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 24 January 2022, 21:22:16 »
Go go go! Wondering if you want to take advantage of that mid space like adding a "Genius Knob". similar to the DREVO knob but now in the middle.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 25 January 2022, 04:19:19 »
This looks interesting! The wrist rest integration is genius!

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 30 January 2022, 15:34:33 »
I don't think I'll ever understand the whole 'B' on both sides thing. Just learn to use your left hand for b and be done with it.
It's tough to un-learn after 30 years of touch typing the wrong way. 

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When I was about 27 I switched to a split kb. I realized right away that I had been typing 'Y' with my left hand instead of my right. I got used to typing the right way within a day or two. So I don't really buy what you're saying. People just don't want to attempt to make the change, but it's really not hard.

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« Reply #75 on: Sun, 30 January 2022, 16:21:44 »
I don’t often really want a keyboard, but this one I really want! Very nice!


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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 30 January 2022, 17:06:13 »
I don't think I'll ever understand the whole 'B' on both sides thing. Just learn to use your left hand for b and be done with it.
It's tough to un-learn after 30 years of touch typing the wrong way. 

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When I was about 27 I switched to a split kb. I realized right away that I had been typing 'Y' with my left hand instead of my right. I got used to typing the right way within a day or two. So I don't really buy what you're saying. People just don't want to attempt to make the change, but it's really not hard.

Whoa, you learned touch typing 3 years before you were born? Good genes I guess, lucky you!
You do realize you're referring to two different posters and two different lengths of experience, right?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 30 January 2022, 23:28:42 »
I'm definitely interested. The design looks great!

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 31 January 2022, 11:51:02 »
can we have option for 2.75u spacebar on the right and 2.25u on left? thanks

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 31 January 2022, 23:56:42 »
Lit.

The left space bar is a good design choice

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 19 February 2022, 17:50:04 »
Will we be able to select a color for the top accent bar?

we're only planning on providing the combinations shown in the renders this time.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 19 February 2022, 17:51:23 »
Isn't the blue tad darker than the renders, is that the blue finalized?

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We do want to re-adjust the color to better match the blue in the renders.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 26 February 2022, 21:57:46 »
We have a discord server now: https://discord.gg/gr6ZBB9xXy

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 02 March 2022, 01:19:10 »
Nice to see alices in other layouts becoming more common. Would love if this came in silver with red accents.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 07 May 2022, 20:10:05 »
Update:

The prototype PCB has been remade and tested to be good. We will launch the GB mid this month.


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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 08 May 2022, 03:33:31 »
Looking really good.
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #86 on: Fri, 13 May 2022, 09:13:59 »
Interested! Will there be an option for a 2.75u right shift? Seems kinda unnecessary since its a TKL anyway are there are lots of extra keys on the left side.
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #87 on: Fri, 13 May 2022, 15:26:58 »
This is huge in many ways, good new layout I could use for work and also literally huge
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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 15 May 2022, 16:14:10 »
What about a brass bottom?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 15 May 2022, 19:48:19 »
Would it be possible to offer 2.75u on the right spacebar or shift it over to the left completely and move the 1u key? The reason I ask is because for folks like me that use the right thumb for 80%+ of the spacebar presses it'll make it more comfortable.

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #90 on: Tue, 17 May 2022, 18:13:44 »
Any info on the PCB? Is it Via compatible? Is it hotswapable? Does it support per key RGB?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #91 on: Tue, 17 May 2022, 19:36:23 »
i still think many boards Alice boards could maybe employ something similar to the OwlRisu and have a sort of sticker for the gaps between keycaps? possibly color-matched to the case or sold in different colors to fit keycap sets?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 17 June 2022, 23:45:36 »
Any chance of a round 2?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #93 on: Sat, 18 June 2022, 09:13:50 »
Absolutely love the design. But like it was already mentioned, I feel like the double B isn't necessary and also makes the look less symmetrical. I use the AV3 and you get used to the left B pretty quickly.
Also agree with people about changing the name to Hourglass, sounds much better. Anyhow, great design and will def be on the GB! Cheers

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 19 June 2022, 10:46:22 »
The gb have already ended no ?

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Re: [IC] Fox Lab - Sand Glass Ergo (GB soon)
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 29 September 2022, 13:47:17 »
Will there be a round 2 or v2 planned as I am very interested but missed the GroupBuy