Can you please add more white mod keys so we can fill out the board with complete white?I would prefere to not to because IMO that set is already close to some sets that exist (Minimal, Bleach...) + it would kill the concept of the set.
+1, any estimate date this will be live ?
Any small spacebars? D:
Is there any chance the colored mods would be available as a separate kit?+1
I mean I and many others would to love to mix and match with other sets.
Any chance we get support for more different sized mods as a separate kit?
Is there any chance the colored mods would be available as a separate kit?
I mean I and many others would to love to mix and match with other sets.
Any chance we get support for more different sized mods as a separate kit?
Is there any chance the colored mods would be available as a separate kit?
I mean I and many others would to love to mix and match with other sets.
Any chance we get support for more different sized mods as a separate kit?
Any chance to have more orange keycaps in this set (spacebar, esc, arrows, enter...)?
Good concept!
I understand that you guys want a BoW set but that’s not the point of the set at all.Any chance for a separate colored modifier kit? Love the colors
It would be very weird for me to offer a BoW + cmyk accent.
That being said, I guess Ill have to consider adding the « missing » white modifiers.
For the / key, Id keep the yellow in the base kit. Why ? First I think that it’s way better looking. And second, I think it does make more sense to have it on an extra kit with all the white modifiers especially if I end up with a complete white modifier kit.
For the Escape key, I didnt think about it, but that something that I should experiment to see if the cyan really fits better ! I personally prefere the magenta but It’s not 100% locked :).
Thank you guys for all your interest so far, Im taking notes of all your comments :).
NB : International kit, orto, ergo, 40%, colvrak, dvorak kits will most likely be avoided, at least for this round.
But im not close minded to adding some spacebars, numpad (maybe basic iso) and a full white modifiers kit. :thumb:
Same. Along with the additional spectrum kit.I understand that you guys want a BoW set but that’s not the point of the set at all.Any chance for a separate colored modifier kit? Love the colors
It would be very weird for me to offer a BoW + cmyk accent.
That being said, I guess Ill have to consider adding the « missing » white modifiers.
For the / key, Id keep the yellow in the base kit. Why ? First I think that it’s way better looking. And second, I think it does make more sense to have it on an extra kit with all the white modifiers especially if I end up with a complete white modifier kit.
For the Escape key, I didnt think about it, but that something that I should experiment to see if the cyan really fits better ! I personally prefere the magenta but It’s not 100% locked :).
Thank you guys for all your interest so far, Im taking notes of all your comments :).
NB : International kit, orto, ergo, 40%, colvrak, dvorak kits will most likely be avoided, at least for this round.
But im not close minded to adding some spacebars, numpad (maybe basic iso) and a full white modifiers kit. :thumb:
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weeb alphas maybe?
but its an instant buy for me, if it has white spare mods..
Very nice :thumb:
How about additional RGB Kit ?
Was really sad that the KBDfans cmyk and rgb keys were sold out.
I understand that you guys want a BoW set but that’s not the point of the set at all.
It would be very weird for me to offer a BoW + cmyk accent.
That being said, I guess Ill have to consider adding the « missing » white modifiers.
For the / key, Id keep the yellow in the base kit. Why ? First I think that it’s way better looking. And second, I think it does make more sense to have it on an extra kit with all the white modifiers especially if I end up with a complete white modifier kit.
For the Escape key, I didnt think about it, but that something that I should experiment to see if the cyan really fits better ! I personally prefere the magenta but It’s not 100% locked :).
Thank you guys for all your interest so far, Im taking notes of all your comments :).
NB : International kit, orto, ergo, 40%, colvrak, dvorak kits will most likely be avoided, at least for this round.
But im not close minded to adding some spacebars, numpad (maybe basic iso) and a full white modifiers kit. :thumb:
Any chance to have more orange keycaps in this set (spacebar, esc, arrows, enter...)?
Good concept!
This is a big Yes, I like orange, too, it will definetly get more love :)
Have you thought about doing only mods?
This IC just woke up some bad memories. This was the vision for the MC Rebirth GB https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86598.0;all (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86598.0;all) by jchan 3 years back, but it never came to fruition and the guy ran off with the money.
I think a lot of people see this and are like oh how cute I love it but dang I already have black on white keycaps and so we want to buy just the colored mods. I get it's not you're ideal vision for the set but I think it's not so unique that at this point a lot in the community just want the set for what makes it different.Lot of people have this thought.
I think a lot of people see this and are like oh how cute I love it but dang I already have black on white keycaps and so we want to buy just the colored mods. I get it's not you're ideal vision for the set but I think it's not so unique that at this point a lot in the community just want the set for what makes it different.Lot of people have this thought.
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I think a lot of people see this and are like oh how cute I love it but dang I already have black on white keycaps and so we want to buy just the colored mods. I get it's not you're ideal vision for the set but I think it's not so unique that at this point a lot in the community just want the set for what makes it different.Lot of people have this thought.
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I doubt that looking at how people are falling all over themselves to buy black on white pbt keycaps on the secondary market. If this were to split it would be flooded with people trying to buy a WOB base kit, far out numbering the color child kit. Great for MOQ, but maybe not for OP's vision of the set. This will sell like gangbusters either way.
Kit changes are in the making process, I'll be posting them soon, thanks again for all your feedback, as always, I trully apprecieate it.Fingers crossed not to increase price alot
Beofre I post anything, let me just tease you :thumb:Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/rsJstLqR/nasu-white-copper.png)
I love this and even think the base kit is fine. Colourful mods with BoW alphas is the point and I think not compromising on that designer intention is absolutely reasonable. The only thing that's a huge turn off for me is having to potentially pay $20 for a single key if I don't want a forced mod coloured \ key. The base kit already allows for an alpha coloured ~ key not doing so for the \ key is just disappointing.
Thanks for the reply about RGB - even if it isn‘t positive for me :thumb: -
Numpad and North Kit maybe ? Or demand most likely too low?
:thumb:Thanks for the reply about RGB - even if it isn‘t positive for me :thumb: -
Numpad and North Kit maybe ? Or demand most likely too low?
Numpad will join the party :)
Not sure if this was answered but are the alpha the same color as epbt BoW?
Weird request, but any chance we get alternative wob kit? Like a "dark" kit or is ePBT still not doing reverse dyesub?
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Thanks! Love your designs man.Not sure if this was answered but are the alpha the same color as epbt BoW?
Nope it's not, the white of BoW is "very white" if you allow me to say that, it's almost too white for my taste.
This white as you can see in the sample is "less white" lol.
It's the white used in GMK olivia if i'm not mistaking !Weird request, but any chance we get alternative wob kit? Like a "dark" kit or is ePBT still not doing reverse dyesub?
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I would definetly have love to offer that ! But I had to make a choice between a dark mod kit and a white mod one.... I choosed the white one :) (oops I teased too much)
For a second round i'll definetly do it tho if this set is apprecieate by a decent amount of persons :thumb:
are the homing keys barred only? Please no bar + scooped F/J please!
i would very much love at least basic iso compatibility. personally i dont care much about a numpad though.
but people, try to voice your interest and what you would like to see. this is actually an IC where interest is checked...compared to other ones that are just for promotion
I am the opposite and want numpad but dont need ISO. BUT, I am down for physical compatibility (what like 6 keys?) to help my ISbrOs out.
I am the opposite and want numpad but dont need ISO. BUT, I am down for physical compatibility (what like 6 keys?) to help my ISbrOs out.
Four, five if you want to include an accent enter.
With electrophoresis white becoming so popular, I would personally like to see some changes:
-Full WoB modifier compatibility in the Additive Synthesis kit.
-WS2 or at least WS1, CP is practically beige.
I know a lot of people like the set the way it is, these are just suggestions:)
I don't care? I already said I understood his choices, it was just what I would do if I was in charge. However, I am not, and I already said that. I know that it is designed to resemble OG cherry, but why TF are we making it ePBT when GMK literally owns the old Cherry molds? Let's make it GMK if you want OG Cherry! Clearly, you aren't criticising choosing ePBT over GMK. Weird. I don't get why you are so obsessed about making it so close to the OG. If people want ePBT BoW all over again, what the f#ck is the point in not giving it to them? "Well, it wasn't what I envisioned, and it isn't true to the OG set". OK, now you have made a set that looks OG without any white mods and a beige colour for the alphas. What did that give you? A lower sales count and an unsatisfied community. Nice one, lad...
I don't care? I already said I understood his choices, it was just what I would do if I was in charge. However, I am not, and I already said that. I know that it is designed to resemble OG cherry, but why TF are we making it ePBT when GMK literally owns the old Cherry molds? Let's make it GMK if you want OG Cherry! Clearly, you aren't criticising choosing ePBT over GMK. Weird. I don't get why you are so obsessed about making it so close to the OG. If people want ePBT BoW all over again, what the f#ck is the point in not giving it to them? "Well, it wasn't what I envisioned, and it isn't true to the OG set". OK, now you have made a set that looks OG without any white mods and a beige colour for the alphas. What did that give you? A lower sales count and an unsatisfied community. Nice one, lad...
I don't care? I already said I understood his choices, it was just what I would do if I was in charge. However, I am not, and I already said that. I know that it is designed to resemble OG cherry, but why TF are we making it ePBT when GMK literally owns the old Cherry molds? Let's make it GMK if you want OG Cherry! Clearly, you aren't criticising choosing ePBT over GMK. Weird. I don't get why you are so obsessed about making it so close to the OG. If people want ePBT BoW all over again, what the f#ck is the point in not giving it to them? "Well, it wasn't what I envisioned, and it isn't true to the OG set". OK, now you have made a set that looks OG without any white mods and a beige colour for the alphas. What did that give you? A lower sales count and an unsatisfied community. Nice one, lad...
Instead of fundamentally altering the design of this set why not just reach out to Wei for another run of BOW?
I don't care? I already said I understood his choices, it was just what I would do if I was in charge. However, I am not, and I already said that. I know that it is designed to resemble OG cherry, but why TF are we making it ePBT when GMK literally owns the old Cherry molds? Let's make it GMK if you want OG Cherry! Clearly, you aren't criticising choosing ePBT over GMK. Weird. I don't get why you are so obsessed about making it so close to the OG. If people want ePBT BoW all over again, what the f#ck is the point in not giving it to them? "Well, it wasn't what I envisioned, and it isn't true to the OG set". OK, now you have made a set that looks OG without any white mods and a beige colour for the alphas. What did that give you? A lower sales count and an unsatisfied community. Nice one, lad...
Instead of fundamentally altering the design of this set why not just reach out to Wei for another run of BOW?
Like this: https://kbdfans.com/collections/new-arrival/products/epbt-x-gok-bow-keycaps-set (https://kbdfans.com/collections/new-arrival/products/epbt-x-gok-bow-keycaps-set)
It just came to store.
With electrophoresis white becoming so popular, I would personally like to see some changes:
-Full WoB modifier compatibility in the Additive Synthesis kit.
-WS2 or at least WS1, CP is practically beige.
I know a lot of people like the set the way it is, these are just suggestions:)
I don't care? I already said I understood his choices, it was just what I would do if I was in charge. However, I am not, and I already said that. I know that it is designed to resemble OG cherry, but why TF are we making it ePBT when GMK literally owns the old Cherry molds? Let's make it GMK if you want OG Cherry! Clearly, you aren't criticising choosing ePBT over GMK. Weird. I don't get why you are so obsessed about making it so close to the OG. If people want ePBT BoW all over again, what the f#ck is the point in not giving it to them? "Well, it wasn't what I envisioned, and it isn't true to the OG set". OK, now you have made a set that looks OG without any white mods and a beige colour for the alphas. What did that give you? A lower sales count and an unsatisfied community. Nice one, lad...
Hey just a question, on the KBDfans page, the images shows a delete key in R4 next to arrow key in 65% layout. However on the Base Kit page there is no delete key. Are you planning on having one?
Can we get some 40's love for these? Love the colors man!
Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/43BhZLkD/Base-kit-spectrum.jpg)
The base kit offers great compatibility by covering the standard ANSI layout, Tsangan, HHKB, and WKL.
Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/NMWcc1Lt/Pure-white-kit.jpg)
I decided to add full white modifiers as you guys asked, aswell as alice support with an extra B in the kit.
- Yes, this is better as an extra kit and I don't want to have white modifiers in the base kit.
- No 2.U shift ? No because no.
- Will it be expensive ? No.
Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/YSD7XcHh/Calculus-kit.jpg)
Numpad support for the many people that messaged me about it, so here it is.
Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/V6S8p7f4/ISO-Kit-spectrum.jpg)
Finally, the ISO Kit. I really didn't want to put this kit in my set but the ISO community was so nice to me that I couldnt refuse.
However I don't offer Norde support at least for this round (unless something crazy happen).
Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/43BhZLkD/Base-kit-spectrum.jpg)
The base kit offers great compatibility by covering the standard ANSI layout, Tsangan, HHKB, and WKL.
Please add R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for 65%/75% boards. More people use those keys than 1.5u Supers.Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/NMWcc1Lt/Pure-white-kit.jpg)
I decided to add full white modifiers as you guys asked, aswell as alice support with an extra B in the kit.
- Yes, this is better as an extra kit and I don't want to have white modifiers in the base kit.
- No 2.U shift ? No because no.
- Will it be expensive ? No.
What about 2u space for Alice users?Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/YSD7XcHh/Calculus-kit.jpg)
Numpad support for the many people that messaged me about it, so here it is.
Num Lock is currently the only key in the set that has a two line legend. You could change it to Num so it matches the rest of the set better. Also, consider adding a R1 = key for standalone numpads and boards that use split +.Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/V6S8p7f4/ISO-Kit-spectrum.jpg)
Finally, the ISO Kit. I really didn't want to put this kit in my set but the ISO community was so nice to me that I couldnt refuse.
However I don't offer Norde support at least for this round (unless something crazy happen).
I would suggest using R3 \|, R4 <> instead of R3 #~, R4 \| since it's better suited for small, basic ISO kits like this.
Any small spacebars? D:i'm in the same boat, I'm a 40% to 50% MKB user & would love a compatible colored 40% to 50% mod kit if possible now........or later. It's a beautiful keyset!
1. Not a fan of that tbh.
2. For 2u Alice users can use the numpad 2u key for example.
3. Yep It can be change for the num, I'll see what i'll do about it.
4. Thanks a lot for that comment, if most ISO users think the same I'll prob change it accordingly, I was hesitating on that so no problemo for me.
Any chance of an R3 control key?
I like the CP white choice. That would make it closer to pristine than minimal or bleached right?
1. Not a fan of that tbh.
2. For 2u Alice users can use the numpad 2u key for example.
3. Yep It can be change for the num, I'll see what i'll do about it.
4. Thanks a lot for that comment, if most ISO users think the same I'll prob change it accordingly, I was hesitating on that so no problemo for me.
Well, I really hope you'll reconsider your stance on #1, because I really like this set, but R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn (or novelties that can fill their place) are a prerequisite for me. Too many 65% boards to justify buying a set that I can't use on them (especially one that could potentially be as versatile as this). Plus, I know I'm not the only one who needs those keys.
Speaking of Num, you could also change Lock to Scroll so they match.
And by the way, I don't think EPBT does barred and scooped homing keys, only scooped+barred. At least that's how it was when I got my last few EPBT sets (Slate, BoW). So the other two F and J keys might be redundant (here's an idea: replace them with R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn :D).
Any chance of an R3 control key?
I like the CP white choice. That would make it closer to pristine than minimal or bleached right?
Stop trolling me Hopeye :))
But seriously, for all of those wondering, yes it will be different than bleached or minimal. :thumb:
The second F and J keys are normal keys with no scoop or bar.
Haha, hey bro!
Would you consider adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn? will be awesome to make it more attractive to 65% users. Sorry if this has been addressed.
The second F and J keys are normal keys with no scoop or bar.
They look scooped in the render.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/874iOa4.png)Haha, hey bro!
Would you consider adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn? will be awesome to make it more attractive to 65% users. Sorry if this has been addressed.
Hah, I just asked about this on top of the page :D
Will R4 1u Blank appear in Additive Synthesis kit ? The render contain that keyNope, indeed I'm not a fan of that key, it's out of place, so I canceled that key, since it dosent fit very well :)
Any chance to add ortho kit? I have been looking for something like this much time
Please add a white 6u off centered space bar to the Shyntesis kit
Please add a white 6u off centered space bar to the Shyntesis kit
+1, although I'd prefer centered stem slightly more.
So are the R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn a definite no, or are you still considering it?
- I won't add 6u because so few layouts use it, almost all 6u keyboards are topre and IMO you shouldnt use non-topre keycaps on topre, maybe it's dumb but that's how I see it.
- The R3 PgUp R4Dn is the only thing that i'm still considering changing.
- I changed the NumLock to Num as you guys suggested, it way better this way.
- The ISO Kit will remain the same since none of the ISO users besides you wanted some changes.
If you have any other questions please let me know.
For the start of the GB, it's a matter of days/weeks, I'm still in discussion with the proxies. :thumb:
Please add a white 6u off centered space bar to the Shyntesis kit
+1, although I'd prefer centered stem slightly more.
So are the R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn a definite no, or are you still considering it?
- I won't add 6u because so few layouts use it, almost all 6u keyboards are topre and IMO you shouldnt use non-topre keycaps on topre, maybe it's dumb but that's how I see it.
- The R3 PgUp R4Dn is the only thing that i'm still considering changing.
- I changed the NumLock to Num as you guys suggested, it way better this way.
- The ISO Kit will remain the same since none of the ISO users besides you wanted some changes.
If you have any other questions please let me know.
For the start of the GB, it's a matter of days/weeks, I'm still in discussion with the proxies. :thumb:
Please add a white 6u off centered space bar to the Shyntesis kit
+1, although I'd prefer centered stem slightly more.
So are the R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn a definite no, or are you still considering it?
- I won't add 6u because so few layouts use it, almost all 6u keyboards are topre and IMO you shouldnt use non-topre keycaps on topre, maybe it's dumb but that's how I see it.
- The R3 PgUp R4Dn is the only thing that i'm still considering changing.
- I changed the NumLock to Num as you guys suggested, it way better this way.
- The ISO Kit will remain the same since none of the ISO users besides you wanted some changes.
If you have any other questions please let me know.
For the start of the GB, it's a matter of days/weeks, I'm still in discussion with the proxies. :thumb:
I would not insist on this if it were a standard color, but the base color is unique, and there would not be a source to get it aftermarket. Therefore the set deserves to get its 6u space bar for those that use it. I would think that there is a similar demand for split space bars than for 6u. I hope that you reconsider.
Outside of topre boards I never see anything with a 6u bar, but I see split spacebar on dz60 and kb75 builds all the time. Then there are all the alice derivatives being pumped out by multiple vendors.
Outside of topre boards I never see anything with a 6u bar, but I see split spacebar on dz60 and kb75 builds all the time. Then there are all the alice derivatives being pumped out by multiple vendors.
6u is common on 66-key MX builds, and it's sometimes seen on 60% too. But split spacebar is more common overall for sure.
If you have been here long enough you may have seen some customs that carries 6u space-bars. They peaked in 2017-2018 and then faded a bit. dz60 and some other off the shelf PCBs support the 6u space bar configuration. Yet, you may have seen most GMK sets supporting it. If you have been here just recently that may explained your view of current affairs. But it is OK, I really appreciate that you entertain the conversation.7v has a 6u option.
If you have been here long enough you may have seen some customs that carries 6u space-bars. They peaked in 2017-2018 and then faded a bit. dz60 and some other off the shelf PCBs support the 6u space bar configuration. Yet, you may have seen most GMK sets supporting it. If you have been here just recently that may explained your view of current affairs. But it is OK, I really appreciate that you entertain the conversation.
Any chance of adding an accent TU2 enter in the numpad?:thumb: +1
Any chance of adding an accent TU2 enter in the numpad?
Can we have all purple modifiers? Would be instant buy for me.
You should add one more "B" to support Alice + Alice clone layout.
Other than that, really looking forward for your kit to go to GB.
Can we have all purple modifiers? Would be instant buy for me.
Yep, can we have all purple modifiers and all orange modifiers??!!
Can we have all purple modifiers? Would be instant buy for me.
Yep, can we have all purple modifiers and all orange modifiers??!!
No
- The R3 PgUp R4Dn is the only thing that i'm still considering changing.This would push it over the edge for me and make it a must-buy. :)
UGH in stock is a major bummer. In stock is especially concerning with a set like this because I highly doubt vendors will do a 1:1 purchase of every child kit, so even if there is ample base kits, people won't be able to kit the numpad kit or iso kit they want. The best way to solve the child kit issues would be to make a giant base kit incorporating all of the kits or at least the iso and numpad kits so people can have physical compatibility guaranteed. Even a restock could be troublesome because it could result in only base kit being restocked similar to how epbt9009 is on kbdfans.
I fail to see how this is beneficial over a GB. Are people so concerned about wait time between the GB and fulfillment that they would be willing to take the risk of not getting an order at all just so some can get it sooner? If there is concern about people not having funds because of Covid-19 why not just run the GB later and offset the whole project by a couple of months? This project could also just be run as a GB now and vendors could purchase stock from the GB to carry in their storefronts at time of fulfillment. This is essentially what they are doing now, but to the exclusion of us endusers from the "vendor only groupbuy"
Then there is the issue of having to race the clock against flippers who will buy out sets just to pop up on mechmarket later. We are in a new age of MK popularity where literally every in stock item is selling out. Just look at H1, Tangerine, Alpaca, and the craziness with Kbd67 MKIII. These are selling out in under an hours, sometimes in 3 to 5 minutes and many potential buyers are being left out in the cold because the checkout systems can't handle the rush, they didn't get an alert, or can't jump to a computer the second buying opens.
UGH in stock is a major bummer. In stock is especially concerning with a set like this because I highly doubt vendors will do a 1:1 purchase of every child kit, so even if there is ample base kits, people won't be able to kit the numpad kit or iso kit they want. The best way to solve the child kit issues would be to make a giant base kit incorporating all of the kits or at least the iso and numpad kits so people can have physical compatibility guaranteed. Even a restock could be troublesome because it could result in only base kit being restocked similar to how epbt9009 is on kbdfans.
I fail to see how this is beneficial over a GB. Are people so concerned about wait time between the GB and fulfillment that they would be willing to take the risk of not getting an order at all just so some can get it sooner? If there is concern about people not having funds because of Covid-19 why not just run the GB later and offset the whole project by a couple of months? This project could also just be run as a GB now and vendors could purchase stock from the GB to carry in their storefronts at time of fulfillment. This is essentially what they are doing now, but to the exclusion of us endusers from the "vendor only groupbuy"
Then there is the issue of having to race the clock against flippers who will buy out sets just to pop up on mechmarket later. We are in a new age of MK popularity where literally every in stock item is selling out. Just look at H1, Tangerine, Alpaca, and the craziness with Kbd67 MKIII. These are selling out in under an hours, sometimes in 3 to 5 minutes and many potential buyers are being left out in the cold because the checkout systems can't handle the rush, they didn't get an alert, or can't jump to a computer the second buying opens.
Yes vendors, at least for KBD fans and CK will do a 1:1 purchase of every kit. If it wasnt the case, that wouldnt change a thing, it's not like everyone get all the child kits ?
Most people are fine with just a base kit.
If they miss a kit ? Well, mechmarket/discord/geekhack are meant for that + that set will 100% rerun so that's not a problem ?
Yes it's beneficial, I think we can all agree that the "waiting time" is horrible and that will also let us fix mistakes in case some happens like all the issues with several GMK sets.
Maybe for you money isnt something to worry about but maybe for some it is ? To me at least, this is important.
When something is in stock everyone loves it so it's a good sign I guess ?
"the race against flippers" You think you can avoid it ? no you can't. You can buy 20 sets at GB and sell them later, here you can buy 20 sets and sell them now, the results are the same, we can't stop it, so we gotta live with it.
Yes it's selling fast like all products from a lot of brands across the world, and even art pieces... so yeah you had to be ready ? nothing new there too.
Anyways it's like that and it won't change, I really don't understand how people think that's a bummer, with the currents sets running (a lot per months), people can have one ready in stock, at GB price, just set up an alarm and it will be alright :).
- R3/R4 Pg Up/Dn ?
No (to make it short, if I include these, I had to include other keys to make it fair for other people, so I decided to not to.)
Well dam is it ticket time? Or what happens now?- R3/R4 Pg Up/Dn ?
No (to make it short, if I include these, I had to include other keys to make it fair for other people, so I decided to not to.)
Oh well, we tried, boys. Thanks for considering it, and GLWGB :thumb:
In stock at GB price, I ain't complaining :)UGH in stock is a major bummer. In stock is especially concerning with a set like this because I highly doubt vendors will do a 1:1 purchase of every child kit, so even if there is ample base kits, people won't be able to kit the numpad kit or iso kit they want. The best way to solve the child kit issues would be to make a giant base kit incorporating all of the kits or at least the iso and numpad kits so people can have physical compatibility guaranteed. Even a restock could be troublesome because it could result in only base kit being restocked similar to how epbt9009 is on kbdfans.
I fail to see how this is beneficial over a GB. Are people so concerned about wait time between the GB and fulfillment that they would be willing to take the risk of not getting an order at all just so some can get it sooner? If there is concern about people not having funds because of Covid-19 why not just run the GB later and offset the whole project by a couple of months? This project could also just be run as a GB now and vendors could purchase stock from the GB to carry in their storefronts at time of fulfillment. This is essentially what they are doing now, but to the exclusion of us endusers from the "vendor only groupbuy"
Then there is the issue of having to race the clock against flippers who will buy out sets just to pop up on mechmarket later. We are in a new age of MK popularity where literally every in stock item is selling out. Just look at H1, Tangerine, Alpaca, and the craziness with Kbd67 MKIII. These are selling out in under an hours, sometimes in 3 to 5 minutes and many potential buyers are being left out in the cold because the checkout systems can't handle the rush, they didn't get an alert, or can't jump to a computer the second buying opens.
Yes vendors, at least for KBD fans and CK will do a 1:1 purchase of every kit. If it wasnt the case, that wouldnt change a thing, it's not like everyone get all the child kits ?
Most people are fine with just a base kit.
If they miss a kit ? Well, mechmarket/discord/geekhack are meant for that + that set will 100% rerun so that's not a problem ?
Yes it's beneficial, I think we can all agree that the "waiting time" is horrible and that will also let us fix mistakes in case some happens like all the issues with several GMK sets.
Maybe for you money isnt something to worry about but maybe for some it is ? To me at least, this is important.
When something is in stock everyone loves it so it's a good sign I guess ?
"the race against flippers" You think you can avoid it ? no you can't. You can buy 20 sets at GB and sell them later, here you can buy 20 sets and sell them now, the results are the same, we can't stop it, so we gotta live with it.
Yes it's selling fast like all products from a lot of brands across the world, and even art pieces... so yeah you had to be ready ? nothing new there too.
Anyways it's like that and it won't change, I really don't understand how people think that's a bummer, with the currents sets running (a lot per months), people can have one ready in stock, at GB price, just set up an alarm and it will be alright :).
Please add a white 6u off centered space bar to the Shyntesis kit
+1, although I'd prefer centered stem slightly more.
So are the R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn a definite no, or are you still considering it?
- I won't add 6u because so few layouts use it, almost all 6u keyboards are topre and IMO you shouldnt use non-topre keycaps on topre, maybe it's dumb but that's how I see it.
- The R3 PgUp R4Dn is the only thing that i'm still considering changing.
- I changed the NumLock to Num as you guys suggested, it way better this way.
- The ISO Kit will remain the same since none of the ISO users besides you wanted some changes.
If you have any other questions please let me know.
For the start of the GB, it's a matter of days/weeks, I'm still in discussion with the proxies. :thumb:
Hm, if it is always reproduced - would it solve the peoples concerns if they always could pre-order the kits (and they feel like in a gb ... a never ending gb ;) )
Because yes, it would be annoying to see the sold out sign, then it is available for a day, and then gone again for some time
So a preorder option with the vendors would be nice, and maybe would also help vendors/epbt to plan the next production run
Hm, if it is always reproduced - would it solve the peoples concerns if they always could pre-order the kits (and they feel like in a gb ... a never ending gb ;) )
Because yes, it would be annoying to see the sold out sign, then it is available for a day, and then gone again for some time
So a preorder option with the vendors would be nice, and maybe would also help vendors/epbt to plan the next production run
My concern is that it won't be reproduced continually (especially child kits). I don't see how preorders are any better than groupbuys (which are essentially preorders). Running multiple preorders would just be multiple rounds of groupbuys.
Hm, if it is always reproduced - would it solve the peoples concerns if they always could pre-order the kits (and they feel like in a gb ... a never ending gb ;) )
Because yes, it would be annoying to see the sold out sign, then it is available for a day, and then gone again for some time
So a preorder option with the vendors would be nice, and maybe would also help vendors/epbt to plan the next production run
My concern is that it won't be reproduced continually (especially child kits). I don't see how preorders are any better than groupbuys (which are essentially preorders). Running multiple preorders would just be multiple rounds of groupbuys.
Exactly, but from a vendors perspective it would make sense - as it is a nice pull system without risking too much unsold kits.
Just producing the kits in a random amount doesn‘t make sense to me. And producing things one time ...
Otherwise the term „in stock“ would be pretty useless.
So i have some trust in enjoy and the vendors and just hope that its available for everyone in a reasonable amount of time
€dit: the advantage of pre-orders for me is this: you roughly know the demand for the next production batch. You just order. X % more for the in stock items and are fine until next time
And with this sets - its so versatile that it rally makes sense to have a longer run. with a one time gb i think aftermarket will go crazy
Maybe i‘m just too optimistic ;). Would there be a big advantage in limiting quantities for each round ? Shouldn‘t the margin get better with higher production quantities as overall cost/kit decline?
Wouldn‘t the producer just limit it if the production schedule is just already too full?
€dit: maybe we are drifting too much into evonomics ;D
Enjoy :thumb: still waiting on this to start
Really looking forward to this set! Thanks for all the hard work and communication! I did notice that the KBD Fans IC doesn't include all the kits listed here or a link to this thread. Would you mind helping get that updated? I think it may be helpful for some of the folks who are less familiar with geekhack.
Set is in production, should be in stock for september :)Great, when will we be able to purchase it?
If i would guess ... erm ... September :cool:Set is in production, should be in stock for september :)Great, when will we be able to purchase it?
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Please make it cheap epbt pricing, I dont want to pay over 100 thanks
Looks good
Treeleaf approved but No numpad support in base kit makes him unhappy
Please make it cheap epbt pricing, I dont want to pay over 100 thanks
Looks good
Treeleaf approved but No numpad support in base kit makes him unhappy
https://kbdfans.com/products/icepbt-x-enjoymyinsec-spectrum-pbt-keycaps-set?_pos=1&_sid=3279d73cc&_ss=r
it's in stock right now.
Just got my set and the font seems different than the prototype pictures. Alphas are a lot more bold and modifiers seem to have a larger font. Was that intentional?Please post the pics.
It would be interesting to see the mods' legends.
Yes, all epbt (and GMK) have these sprue marks on the north side of the caps. It's part of the manufacturing process.It would be interesting to see the mods' legends.
I'm not sure "review" style posts are apreciated in IC / GB threads but I didn't find any contradicting rules. If this is considered wrong please correct, meanwhile here is at least something for you.
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Regarding the quality of the ePBT Spectrum caps I am confused about some dimples on the northe side of the caps and some bumps on the sharp bottom side (i.e. FN key above).
Do all ePBT sets have these dimples and are those injection spots from production or from handling the caps with sharp robotic machines?
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Yes, all epbt (and GMK) have these sprue marks on the north side of the caps. It's part of the manufacturing process.