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Title: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount|Glam shots added
Post by: DoctorNunu on Tue, 17 November 2020, 13:43:14
Striving to make each desk piece superior
to the last, we proudly present the
newest addition to your collection.



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Ideology

Prominent; we wanted to create something that doesn’t already exist. While the classic
design of the Classy TKL fits perfectly on a modern desk, we wanted to go further. The
piece is based on design elements from the Victorian era, but with a modern take.

This time around we went with a smaller form factor, and will continue our journey into the
60% stage.



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Aesthetics

Whilst physical appearance doesn’t matter in general (don’t judge a book by its cover and
what not), it certainly matters to us. We wanted Lewis to be identifiable from miles away,
and I certainly think we achieved that unique identity.

The thick bezels that were featured on Classy TKL certainly spoke to us; we wanted even
thicker bezels for Lewis!



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While the top view certainly shows a “braggable” aesthetic, the side view is where Lewis shines.
We got the plateau inspiration from the Victorian era, when it was commonly used on
technical instruments with wooden details.



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To achieve the plateau we had to keep the angle between the front and back side 90° to
the base.



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The back side of Lewis shows off the connection capabilities. Normally you would see an
USB connector at this placement, but we went for something more rigid.
Lewis will feature a 4-pin GX12 connector:



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As per usual, the pesky windows key makes no appearance on Lewis. But this time, if the
interest is high enough, the decision might be revoked.
Fill out the form to let us know if you're interested in the mod4 key.

To achieve a classy look we decided to keep the tolerances a bit tighter on key placement
and key-to-edge distance. Key placement will be with an 19.00mm offset (2.5 thumbnails
in Imperial) instead of the standard 19.05mm (An average piece of string in Imperial).



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Technicalities

Now that we’re finished with the outside tour, it’s time that we get into the interesting parts.
Our goal was to create something that could both look and feel
amazing without compromising.

Now, I can with great pleasure announce that our goals are reached after long nights of
perfecting all technical aspects of Lewis.



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Flipping the board over to get a view of the back we are greeted with a minimalistic
polished brass weight, don’t be fooled though, it’s only the tip of an iceberg.
The brass weight covers almost the entire internal surface to get that sought after monolith heft.

The feet that are featured aren’t perfectly placed for aesthetics, but there is reasoning behind it.
The amount of feet and their placement serve the purpose of a perfectly even sound and feel.
It’s very common that keyboards have their feet placed in each respective corner, we questioned
this norm of uneven pressure.
The result perfectly compliments the mounting of the plate for a pleasant typing experience.



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Proceeding to the disassembly of Lewis; firstly we need to remove the four titanium screws
that are heat-treated for assuring a long life time of customization.



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Separate the top and bottom enclosure to get a look of what’s inside.


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The separation reveals the true form of the minimalistic brass weight. Hidden in the
enclosure is the now visible iceberg.
Weighing in at a whooping 3.1kg unbuilt, Lewis certainly deserves the monolith title.

Not only does the brass add heft, it’s also designed to perfect the sound signature.
The rails serve the purpose of “deflecting” unwanted noise by not allowing sound waves to bounce evenly.
The horrifying experience of typing your first words only to that hear hollow sound is no more!

Just like the bottom/top enclosure, the brass weight is fastened with 4 heat-treated titanium screws.



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Removing the PCB + plate assembly from the top piece, you will find that there are no
screw holes visible, neither are there any holes in the bottom piece…

The plate is inserted in a silicone gasket which is sandwiched between the top and bottom pieces.
This isolates the plate from the aluminium parts and gives an enormous boost to the sound signature.
This mounting method differs from traditional isolation mount in the way that the pressure is evenly distributed
on the plate, instead of having certain pressure points.

We found this solution to be incredibly efficient in preventing vibrations through the enclosure,
and the sound difference between switch locations is minimal.

“I have to say that this is the best mounting method I have felt so far” - DoctorNunu



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The PCB + plate assembly fits perfectly to the bottom piece, so there’s no need to fiddle
around with alignment.



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The top piece simply slides over the plate, fasten the 4 bottom screws to tighten the enclosure
(tighten only until you feel resistance).

Put some keycaps on and get to work!



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Hardware


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Specifications



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Aluminium top and bottom pieces

Polished brass weight

Ten rubber feet in two different sizes

Eight Masterworks M3 titanium hex screws

Four-pin GX12 connector

Silicone gasket

Carbon fibre plate (Soft plate material not yet decided)

PCB designed by 4pplet

JST cable connecting the PCB to the GX12

5.2 degree typing angle with 24mm height as the starting point.

3.4kg total weight built with a Carbon fibre plate.




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Contributors


This project would not be possible if it weren’t for these amazing contributors,
they are true gentlemen/gentlewomen.




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https://github.com/4pplet (https://github.com/4pplet) - Extraordinary PCB designer & community member who once again delivered a masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/koen-romers (https://www.youtube.com/koen-romers) - Youtuber/photographer who offered his help once again with making footage and providing feedback.

https://www.instagram.com/rasmus.ask/ (https://www.instagram.com/rasmus.ask/) - Hobby photographer who should be professional for taking the shots shown in this post.

https://github.com/Wraul (https://github.com/Wraul) - Friend/colleague/coder who has been my right hand on these projects, everything from helping out with
quality control to giving feedback on designs in the middle of the night.

MangeHD - Community member who offered a helping hand with stress testing the plate when my computer gave up.

All members in the Masterworks Discord channel who have supported us since day one, you are truly amazing!





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Interest/feedback form


Form is now closed, click "more" to see results. Thank you all for taking the time!

More
Overall design satisfaction:

(https://i.imgur.com/x1jNAUB.png)


Dislikes:

(https://i.imgur.com/KSoGKBw.png)

Layout preference:

(https://i.imgur.com/bZd9WNs.png)

Dense plate preference:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZB2D7vv.png)

Flexible plate preference:

(https://i.imgur.com/yOswxQY.png)

Colour preference:

(https://i.imgur.com/cZI8263.png)

Wrist rest demand:

(https://i.imgur.com/2xZuJPH.png)


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Additional info:


As with the Classy TKL plate and PCB files will be open sourced, if you want to make a custom plate feel free to do so!

We would love to have you in our Discord server, join the discussion: https://discord.gg/qBvpswR (https://discord.gg/qBvpswR)

Typing test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W93Wx7_o8E&ab_channel=KoenRomers)


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Glam shots by Koen
More

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Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: paulgali on Tue, 17 November 2020, 13:47:44
That connector is nutty!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 17 November 2020, 13:48:29
Wow - this is definitely pushing some boundaries. Looking forward to seeing where it goes!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: of_sam on Tue, 17 November 2020, 13:50:09
Color me interested. Curious about price.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:08:49
HHKB?
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: cong314159 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:09:04
24mm starting height. Are you planning a matching wrist rest? Because 24mm could be a turn off for many people.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Carcha on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:10:36
I'm very much interested. This one is stunning.

I guess it's my job to ask: ne iso avail? Release plate files and include PCB level support maybe?
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: huey on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:11:47
Holy moly this is interesting. This IC is fantastic and has nailed the aesthetic.

Good luck with IC, it's a killer board.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: whirlwind on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:14:45
“I have to say that this is the best mounting method I have felt so far” - DoctorNunu

Excuse me my good chap but are you quoting yourself?
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:16:05
24mm starting height. Are you planning a matching wrist rest? Because 24mm could be a turn off for many people.

The question about a matching wrist rest is asked in the form.

I'm very much interested. This one is stunning.

I guess it's my job to ask: ne iso avail? Release plate files and include PCB level support maybe?

iso avail! Thanks for asking both questions, you reminded me to add the info on that ...
As with the Classy TKL, ISO plates will be available, and plate + PCB files will be open sourced.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:17:41
“I have to say that this is the best mounting method I have felt so far” - DoctorNunu

Excuse me my good chap but are you quoting yourself?

Yes! I just had to put my own thoughts out there, incredibly cheesy I know ...  :p
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:38:29
this is certainly making me feel things...
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:40:32
I'm in the Classy TKL GB and hope to be in this one too!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:46:58
Treeleaf approved
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Cahuib23 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 14:52:02
Wow... this looks insane, the front height and thicc bottom bezel is a bit of a turn-off, but I bet I can accept that as the only drawback to this board as everything else is perfect! Nice Job! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 17 November 2020, 15:20:50
Not a buyer as this is not for me. But god damn does it look good!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: radishly on Tue, 17 November 2020, 15:37:05
You’ve done it again, doctor!

Looks so good, can’t wait to own this.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 17 November 2020, 15:45:19
I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 17 November 2020, 15:54:19
I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
I'd rather have multi layout support. If you want hotswap just millmax a pcb or buy extras.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Tyler on Tue, 17 November 2020, 15:55:38
I think HHKB would be a nice option to have. I'm assuming we would have to provide our own female panel gx12 connecting cable? And would the pinout/wiring be predetermined?
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: LubedHealios on Tue, 17 November 2020, 18:54:00
WOW this board is amazing it goes against what most people are doing and i love it. and it comes from my hometown :)
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 19:56:00
The bottom looks a bit like a casket... I'm interested to see where this goes, GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 17 November 2020, 21:45:01
Classy in all black, and looks like Dracula's keyb if you add maybe some read accent caps in there.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 17 November 2020, 21:52:37
I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
I'd rather have multi layout support. If you want hotswap just millmax a pcb or buy extras.
I'd rather have hot-swap. If you want multi layout, just have them provide more then 1 pcb option.
"buy extas" Sweet! Even more stupid soldering!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 17 November 2020, 22:43:50
I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
I'd rather have multi layout support. If you want hotswap just millmax a pcb or buy extras.
I'd rather have hot-swap. If you want multi layout, just have them provide more then 1 pcb option.
"buy extas" Sweet! Even more stupid soldering!
Bruh, u trollin
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DasGnome on Tue, 17 November 2020, 23:08:44
That's a thicc weight. I'm definitely interested in some typing tests to see how even the sounds. This is one to watch for sure!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: asciisii on Tue, 17 November 2020, 23:45:03
I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
I'd rather have multi layout support. If you want hotswap just millmax a pcb or buy extras.
I'd rather have hot-swap. If you want multi layout, just have them provide more then 1 pcb option.
"buy extas" Sweet! Even more stupid soldering!

lol

anyways this looks very intriguing glwic
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Wed, 18 November 2020, 00:48:39
I think HHKB would be a nice option to have. I'm assuming we would have to provide our own female panel gx12 connecting cable? And would the pinout/wiring be predetermined?


HHKB might become a thing depending on the form results. Regarding the female part of the GX12, I've been working with SantiGo cables to see if we can include some vintage coiled cables with the board. The pinout follows the USB standard, and connects to the PCB with a JST cable (Follows the Ai03 standard).

I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
I'd rather have multi layout support. If you want hotswap just millmax a pcb or buy extras.
I'd rather have hot-swap. If you want multi layout, just have them provide more then 1 pcb option.
"buy extas" Sweet! Even more stupid soldering!

Hotswap is not something that will be offered with this board, I consider soldering to be an exciting part of the build process.
And as KingOfMemes mentioned, offering multiple layouts would require multiple PCB's instead of one.

Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Seoulcialite on Wed, 18 November 2020, 01:32:57
Like: Overall design, book like side profile, big bezels
Dislike: Connector and front height

Please add more brightly lit pictures.
Please add pictures with the cable connected as it may change my mind about the connector.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: thestrayed on Wed, 18 November 2020, 05:40:04
Love the design. Instant buy for me but would love to see more pics of the prototype
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: dudewth on Wed, 18 November 2020, 08:14:03
I need to think about/be sold on the connector. Other than that I love the aesthetic.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: lewisflude on Wed, 18 November 2020, 09:20:46
Nice
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Scoscobola on Wed, 18 November 2020, 10:01:20
Would be interested to hear a sound test that A-B's one weight with rails and one without to hear how they diffuse reflections and affect sound signature. Really neat design.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: zoo on Wed, 18 November 2020, 14:05:23
interesting backside
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Bazookatooth on Wed, 18 November 2020, 20:54:52
Likes:
- Really love the overall theme and high precision machining. The backside view reminds me of a chess piece.
- The connector along with the design really makes it stand out as it's own thing.
- It's a big chonker, 6.5lbs for a 60% unbuilt is pretty crazy.  Does anyone know what the fjell clocks in at? That's the heaviest 60% i've ever felt.
- I'm drooling over the titanium screws after just having built a KBD8X MKII

Worries:
- Front height and angle seems pretty steep.  You could potentially solve this with a matching wrist rest, but it's something that people might have to work around.
- As cool as the connector is - it's also worrisome.  What happens down the line if something happens to the cable? Now I have a dead board and I have to source some weird USB cable in order to get it usable again?  Not ideal - but not sure that's a deal breaker (I have two cats who love to chew at cables so I might be a little biased here)

Overall, great work Doc!  Will definitely be following closely!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Thu, 19 November 2020, 08:00:08
Thanks for the feedback everyone, I will leave the form open until the end of the week.
Please fill it out if you haven't already!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 19 November 2020, 08:17:36
Bruh, u trollin

Why would he be trolling? Nowadays when hotswap PCBs are actually well made the only argument against hot-swap on the average Joe's user end is "soldering is fun" (and maybe the extra cost that could potentially incur if we're trying to be pedantic). I don't mind soldering, certain boards I would rather not hot-swap, but it the reality is lots of people could not give less of a ****. Most people won't be upset that their ISO left shift ANSI layout with f13 and stepped caps lock is not supported in the hotswap configuration. You need to waste your time and money looking for proper solder, you need to know which one to pick, you need to invest in a decent iron (especially if you're new, which whether we like it or not is the norm nowadays especially outside of Geekhack), if you mess up you need to go and look up how to do that and again, purchase the necessary equipment, you need to procure a fan so that you don't die from lead poisoning and then sit down for however long and melt **** onto your PCB for like two hours. Best hope that spacebar isn't rattling after you're done!

People can say it's exciting, as the designer has here, and it's their project so that is more than fair enough and it is their prerogative whether or not to supply an extra hot-swap PCB for those that want it, but the vehement defence of soldering is often ridiculous and, at best, outdated. Let's stop pretending horseback riding is more functional than owning a car just because some people find equestrianism fun.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 19 November 2020, 08:29:30
Bruh, u trollin

Why would he be trolling? Nowadays when hotswap PCBs are actually well made the only argument against hot-swap on the average Joe's user end is "soldering is fun" (and maybe the extra cost that could potentially incur if we're trying to be pedantic). I don't mind soldering, certain boards I would rather not hot-swap, but it the reality is lots of people could not give less of a ****. Most people won't be upset that their ISO left shift ANSI layout with f13 and stepped caps lock is not supported in the hotswap configuration. You need to waste your time and money looking for proper solder, you need to know which one to pick, you need to invest in a decent iron (especially if you're new, which whether we like it or not is the norm nowadays especially outside of Geekhack), if you mess up you need to go and look up how to do that and again, purchase the necessary equipment, you need to procure a fan so that you don't die from lead poisoning and then sit down for however long and melt **** onto your PCB for like two hours. Best hope that spacebar isn't rattling after you're done!

People can say it's exciting, as the designer has here, and it's their project so that is more than fair enough and it is their prerogative whether or not to supply an extra hot-swap PCB for those that want it, but the vehement defence of soldering is often ridiculous and, at best, outdated. Let's stop pretending horseback riding is more functional than owning a car just because some people find equestrianism fun.
I don't think asking for or suggesting hotswap PCBs in an interest check is trolling. I think the way he did it and the verbiage he used was trolling. It could have been a discussion. He made it a 1 way street.

Don't take this as me saying he shouldn't be trollin. Troll away. I'm just calling it what it is.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Thu, 19 November 2020, 08:30:26
Bruh, u trollin

Why would he be trolling? Nowadays when hotswap PCBs are actually well made the only argument against hot-swap on the average Joe's user end is "soldering is fun" (and maybe the extra cost that could potentially incur if we're trying to be pedantic). I don't mind soldering, certain boards I would rather not hot-swap, but it the reality is lots of people could not give less of a ****. Most people won't be upset that their ISO left shift ANSI layout with f13 and stepped caps lock is not supported in the hotswap configuration. You need to waste your time and money looking for proper solder, you need to know which one to pick, you need to invest in a decent iron (especially if you're new, which whether we like it or not is the norm nowadays especially outside of Geekhack), if you mess up you need to go and look up how to do that and again, purchase the necessary equipment, you need to procure a fan so that you don't die from lead poisoning and then sit down for however long and melt **** onto your PCB for like two hours. Best hope that spacebar isn't rattling after you're done!

People can say it's exciting, as the designer has here, and it's their project so that is more than fair enough and it is their prerogative whether or not to supply an extra hot-swap PCB for those that want it, but the vehement defence of soldering is often ridiculous and, at best, outdated. Let's stop pretending horseback riding is more functional than owning a car just because some people find equestrianism fun.
id say theres still downsides to hotswap pcbs, mainly being lack of layouts and theres always the chance a socket can get damaged. Lack of layouts is a very important feature to a 60 pcb with all the different layouts on a 60 (hhkb, tsangan, split backspace, split r shift, 6.25u, stepped caps lock) and i would much rather have a soldered pcb with different layouts than a hotswap one with a layout i dont like. This is also a smaller issue on this board where it has like 1 or 2 layouts. Also no matter what way you cut the cake, hotswap sockets are more prone to damage than just soldering a switch in as long as you have at least an idea of what ur doing soldering (and id imagine somebody buying this board would know how to solder+have a soldering setup). And ur not gonna die if u dont have a fan soldering something for 5 minutes and its really not that hard to solder :)
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 19 November 2020, 09:08:32
id say theres still downsides to hotswap pcbs, mainly being lack of layouts and theres always the chance a socket can get damaged. Lack of layouts is a very important feature to a 60 pcb with all the different layouts on a 60 (hhkb, tsangan, split backspace, split r shift, 6.25u, stepped caps lock) and i would much rather have a soldered pcb with different layouts than a hotswap one with a layout i dont like. This is also a smaller issue on this board where it has like 1 or 2 layouts. Also no matter what way you cut the cake, hotswap sockets are more prone to damage than just soldering a switch in as long as you have at least an idea of what ur doing soldering (and id imagine somebody buying this board would know how to solder+have a soldering setup). And ur not gonna die if u dont have a fan soldering something for 5 minutes and its really not that hard to solder :)

Customizability to that level (which I mentioned) is becoming less relevant as time goes on I feel. I'm not arguing that solderable PCBs should be fully replaced or that hotswap should become the norm with the alternative being an addon rather than the other way around (as we mostly have it right now), I'm just saying responses like "lol" and "no" and "why u trolling" coming out when someone is saying they would rather not waste their time pretending to be an engineer are definitely not helpful and those people absolutely have a valid point. Going down to the village well is really not that hard and only takes 5 minutes, but I'm assuming you prefer bottled or tap water.

Obviously I'm being deliberately obtuse when I say **** like you need to be an engineer to solder a keyboard PCB or that it's like horseback riding to work when cars exist, but for many people I'm sure that's close enough to being the way they see it, and I can understand why. I do firmly believe every board that which does not pride itself in being super niche (or even have that being one of its main features) should offer a hotswap PCB one way or another. This particular project is practically the poster child for that so it's a pretty bad place to have this conversation, I just can't help but find the "soldering good and fun, hotswap bad and unreliable" narrative annoying.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 19 November 2020, 10:31:57
Hotswap is not something that will be offered with this board, I consider soldering to be an exciting part of the build process.

okay count me in.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: mangeHD on Thu, 19 November 2020, 10:35:21
haha tanks for the mention! im very happy to see this board in IC, good luck my man!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Sun, 22 November 2020, 12:59:27
Quick bump to let you know that I have now closed the form, results are added to the post. Thank you all for taking the time!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 26 November 2020, 04:44:30
Interested! Brought here by your comment on r/mk!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 26 November 2020, 21:05:30
id say theres still downsides to hotswap pcbs, mainly being lack of layouts and theres always the chance a socket can get damaged. Lack of layouts is a very important feature to a 60 pcb with all the different layouts on a 60 (hhkb, tsangan, split backspace, split r shift, 6.25u, stepped caps lock) and i would much rather have a soldered pcb with different layouts than a hotswap one with a layout i dont like. This is also a smaller issue on this board where it has like 1 or 2 layouts. Also no matter what way you cut the cake, hotswap sockets are more prone to damage than just soldering a switch in as long as you have at least an idea of what ur doing soldering (and id imagine somebody buying this board would know how to solder+have a soldering setup). And ur not gonna die if u dont have a fan soldering something for 5 minutes and its really not that hard to solder :)

Customizability to that level (which I mentioned) is becoming less relevant as time goes on I feel. I'm not arguing that solderable PCBs should be fully replaced or that hotswap should become the norm with the alternative being an addon rather than the other way around (as we mostly have it right now), I'm just saying responses like "lol" and "no" and "why u trolling" coming out when someone is saying they would rather not waste their time pretending to be an engineer are definitely not helpful and those people absolutely have a valid point. Going down to the village well is really not that hard and only takes 5 minutes, but I'm assuming you prefer bottled or tap water.

Obviously I'm being deliberately obtuse when I say **** like you need to be an engineer to solder a keyboard PCB or that it's like horseback riding to work when cars exist, but for many people I'm sure that's close enough to being the way they see it, and I can understand why. I do firmly believe every board that which does not pride itself in being super niche (or even have that being one of its main features) should offer a hotswap PCB one way or another. This particular project is practically the poster child for that so it's a pretty bad place to have this conversation, I just can't help but find the "soldering good and fun, hotswap bad and unreliable" narrative annoying.

Hot-swap should replace soldering as the norm. It sucks having to de-solder and re-solder every time i discover, or they release a new switch i like better then what i'm all ready using. Soldering sucks. I have to go get my station out, get my clamps out, my light and glasses, etc, it is not a hobby I enjoy.
I recently discovered those "mili" things, (or whatever they're called) so maybe i'll quite my complaining after i try them, but ugh, soldering still sucks.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Oggi on Thu, 26 November 2020, 22:12:45
That brass weight is a true work of art
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: MilkTea_QAQ on Fri, 27 November 2020, 08:07:01
solved
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: MilkTea_QAQ on Fri, 27 November 2020, 08:07:23
solved
 
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: eyeon on Sat, 05 December 2020, 16:03:09
Love the look of the board, including the height of it since it is very appropriate to the theme.  Not sure about the connector, but I have a detachable cable anyway and can easily just switch ends when needed so not a big deal.

The discord link/invite is not working.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 05 December 2020, 20:29:08
This might be  one of my favorite looking keyboards ever... especially if we get an HHKB ver.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Mon, 28 December 2020, 04:38:35
Just posted an update on the Lewis project as well as Classy TKL on our website: https://masterworks.design/updates/december-update
Discord link is now fixed as well!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: geohammy on Mon, 28 December 2020, 09:09:03
I forgot to put it in the IC, becasue it's silly that it's not standard at this point, but make the thing hot swap, we're not living in the stone age people. New switches come out all the time, and the best way to test them, is in the actual keyboard they're going in.
IMO soldering is a part of the fun


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Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Prestley on Fri, 08 January 2021, 01:41:52
Still watching this board, I really love the design and hope it comes to fruition.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: CosminOance on Fri, 08 January 2021, 21:50:19
Best hope that spacebar isn't rattling after you're done!
This made my day. Thanks from the future :D


OP:
GL with the project!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 09 January 2021, 04:48:25
I think you would need to provide a tasty wrist rest with this for the front bezel height to be useable.  Actually a really well finished walnut rest would compliment it I think.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Sandy on Sat, 09 January 2021, 20:17:59
I find this quite interesting although as far as getting a true feel for the board I really wish there was a bit less bokeh, less zoom/crop, and higher exposure. It's really hard to make out the board and I can't really guage my interest well. If this is a teaser that's one thing. But it feels like we're trying to hide away detail rather than show it off. Overall from what I can see the book aesthetic is really nice. Definitely unique!

I'll be following along at least to see how expensive it is
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: vheissu on Sun, 10 January 2021, 01:46:13
Can you update the discord invite please?
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Sun, 10 January 2021, 07:29:47
I find this quite interesting although as far as getting a true feel for the board I really wish there was a bit less bokeh, less zoom/crop, and higher exposure. It's really hard to make out the board and I can't really guage my interest well. If this is a teaser that's one thing. But it feels like we're trying to hide away detail rather than show it off. Overall from what I can see the book aesthetic is really nice. Definitely unique!

I'll be following along at least to see how expensive it is

The intention is to tease the board a bit, Koen has received a prototype and will take some pictures as well as making a video on it.
So a lot more info is coming soon!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Sun, 10 January 2021, 07:32:00
Can you update the discord invite please?

Discord link is updated!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Nathan_ on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:11:46
man I wish this had usb-c instead of gx12
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:50:08
man I wish this had usb-c instead of gx12

If you're concerned about getting a cable I can let you know that I'm planning to either include one or offer it as an "add on kit".
The connector is here to stay as it's a big part of the identity and looks.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: i luv chuletas on Fri, 15 January 2021, 00:15:42
Holy...

It'd be a sin not to grab this, it's a work of art.

Bravo guys.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Invezting on Tue, 19 January 2021, 00:53:29
Interesting Design! Goodluck!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Sat, 23 January 2021, 09:07:00
Typing test is now up!
ab_channel=KoenRomers :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 24 January 2021, 06:49:02
Typing test is now up!
ab_channel=KoenRomers :thumb:

I didn't know simple H1s can make such a godly sound. It's either that or the acoustics of the board itself.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Mighty_B on Sun, 24 January 2021, 07:03:39
Pardon me but the keyboard bottom design reminds me of a coffin top, That's the first thing that comes to my mind looking at render pics.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 24 January 2021, 19:31:44
Really? I guess i can kind of see that. The 1st thing I'm reminded of is a leather bound, limited Lettered edition book.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: J_Noes on Mon, 25 January 2021, 02:52:06
Pardon me but the keyboard bottom design reminds me of a coffin top, That's the first thing that comes to my mind looking at render pics.
Which is great. I’m definitely in for one.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: DoctorNunu on Mon, 25 January 2021, 03:10:07
Typing test is now up!
ab_channel=KoenRomers :thumb:

I didn't know simple H1s can make such a godly sound. It's either that or the acoustics of the board itself.

Obviously biased opinion:
The acoustics of the board is definitely a big part of the sound, I have tried it with Gateron inks, H1s and Gateron blacks. All 3 sounded heavenly, but the switches definitely makes a big difference as well. (Nothing new)
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Diggidy on Mon, 25 January 2021, 03:55:56
Really nice sounding board, and I love a lot of the internal design elements - especially the mounting system. I don't think it's for me due to the case design/front height and connector, but you shouldn't cater to everyone. Hope it turns out well for you!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Mon, 25 January 2021, 04:40:36
Pardon me but the keyboard bottom design reminds me of a coffin top, That's the first thing that comes to my mind looking at render pics.
Haha that's a thought I had too. Felt a bit macabre.
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount|Glam shots added
Post by: DoctorNunu on Sun, 31 January 2021, 12:43:13
Added photo album by koen
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount|Glam shots added
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 31 January 2021, 14:45:47
Added photo album by koen

....Oh my.... I am quite smitten. Is that board.... single?
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount
Post by: ThiccAntecc on Fri, 05 February 2021, 20:24:02
Typing test is now up!
ab_channel=KoenRomers :thumb:

I didn't know simple H1s can make such a godly sound. It's either that or the acoustics of the board itself.

Obviously biased opinion:
The acoustics of the board is definitely a big part of the sound, I have tried it with Gateron inks, H1s and Gateron blacks. All 3 sounded heavenly, but the switches definitely makes a big difference as well. (Nothing new)

Do you have other typing tests uploaded as well? Would love to hear the board with Gat inks on it!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount|Glam shots added
Post by: DoctorNunu on Mon, 08 February 2021, 03:10:40
Not at the moment, R2 prototypes are ordered and there will be more typing tests on those!
Title: Re: [IC]Lewis, 60% isolation mount|Glam shots added
Post by: 一只猫啊 on Sun, 07 March 2021, 03:08:06
gb when ?