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Offline JJ48_24

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Nimbus 60

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The Nimbus 60 is a magnet-mounted board with a stylish exposed rear weight. The board has options for HHKB, WKL, and WK tops. The mount on the Nimbus allows the plate to have no contact with the rest of the case using 12 internal N35 magnets. The Nimbus uses a unique mounting system differing from the Lodestone and Orca 60 which use a gasket between the top of the case and the plate. The Nimbus uses no gaskets making the first board to have no contact between the plate and case.


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Renders
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The Board will be available in E-white, clear anodized, E-black, and a fourth color option to be decided by the community.


PCB/Layout
The PCB for the Nimbus utilizes the universal daughterboard to allow maximum unimpeded flex. The universal daughterboard also includes ESD protection. There will be options for soldered and hotswap PCBs with the soldered PCB supporting split backspace, stepped caps, and split shift. The only bottom row layout support is Tsangan to improve the appearance of the plate.

Release Timing
Prototypes should be arriving within 2 weeks. If there are no corrections necessary on the prototype, the board should run within a month of proto arrival.


Options

Plate
- Aluminum
- Polycarbonate
- Polycarbonate Half


PCB
- Hotswap
- Solderd


Layout
- HHKB
- WKL
- WK


Color
- E-White
- E-Black
- Anodized Clear
- 4th community chosen color


Pricing/Avalibility
Pricing will be dependent on demand but the estimate is $450-$600, planning to do a near unlimited international GB.
Vendors
Worldwide - JKeys.Design


Update - 5/16/21

 
-I understand that some of you are concerned with my credibility given my age however, this is not my first GB. I have already fulfilled the Gentleman 65 GB which was produced in-house and ran in late December 2020. All of the legal and financial matters are handled by my business partner. If you don't feel comfortable with this please don't join the group buy. I am sure there will be plenty of extras!

-Given the concerns regarding the IC not having a proto, I will be machining an aluminum proto with the interior design of the Nimbus this week. The proto from my manufacturer will arrive in about 2 weeks.

-I have decided to show some pictures of the mount to clarify how it works.

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The mount uses four magnets in the bottom case, four magnets encased in the plate, and four magnets in the top piece. The magnets on the bottom are larger to account for the weight of the Plate-PCB assembly. The plate is stabilized through strategic internal positioning of the magnets to create an inward force on the plate(not shown in the render).
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:04:45 »
Please take a minute or two to fill out the survey! The best way to stay update with the board is to join the discord so please do so if you are interested!

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:12:13 »
Looks dope! Super excited for this one.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:12:24 »
What is this witchcraft

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:12:47 »
Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:14:05 »
Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?
the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:18:12 »
This is dope, GLWIC

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:20:07 »
Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?
the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.
Do you have a prototype?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:26:31 »
Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?
the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.
Do you have a prototype?
If you read the ic it states that the porto will be arriving in a few weeks!

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:29:00 »
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:31:24 »
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.
Like I said there is a solution to the issue I just cant share it.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:33:22 »
Looking forward to seeing how the mounting system looks in the future.
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:35:42 »
interested

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:39:33 »
this is amazing. btw, have you designed any magnetic shielding, it would be nice to enjoy this board without killing my watches and banks cards :)
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 00:53:21 »
this is amazing. btw, have you designed any magnetic shielding, it would be nice to enjoy this board without killing my watches and banks cards :)

Honestly didn't think about that, for sure something that I need to look into

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 01:10:58 »
1. Will you be considering other vendors? Near unlimited GB is not easy at all
2. Is this your first proto? Has there been any testing for the mount other than the proto that is shipping soon?
3. You are, understandably, reserved regarding the details of the internals. That said, there are still many crucial information missing in the main IC post. Please consider adding the following information.
Adjusted front height, typing angle, unbuilt mass, plate renders (any cuts? Standoff locations if any?), hotswap PCB layout and renders of more than 2 angles.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 01:27:07 »
Damn a floating plate this is wild.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 02:41:12 »
HOVERBOARD

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 03:56:48 »
Looking forward to seeimg the proto. Would getting an exploded view of the mounting system be a possibility?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 06:53:56 »
So, you expect to sell a board for $400-$700 with a "new" mounting style without showing the internals?
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 07:09:53 »
So, you expect to sell a board for $400-$700 with a "new" mounting style without showing the internals?

Yep, if the design is so unique and you want to protect it, then there are legal paths for that. This community wants to know the how and why - and will commit if the end product is tantalising enough.

It's a very interesting concept, and a video of the plate mounting setup would certainly propel the GB along.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 07:27:22 »
It's an interesting concept. I'm curious to what you believe the technical advantage would be using magnets in terms of sound, vibrations, sturdiness, etc. compared to other mounting systems?

I can see how it will provide a unique way for the plate to flex but how do you think it will handle vibrations and unwanted sound when the plate is floating and air/sound pass freely around it?
 

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 08:19:36 »
make the entire keyboard levitate, i want a flying keyboard. 2 so i can stand on them and float, thank you.
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 08:43:35 »
I'm not into small boards, so wouldn't purchase this myself, but I must admit it does sound pretty cool.

As well as what others have said, I'd be curious if such strong magnets would have any effect on nearby switch springs (eg. Making them stiffer or pushing them against stems to increase scratchiness?)

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 09:26:31 »
1. Will you be considering other vendors? Near unlimited GB is not easy at all
2. Is this your first proto? Has there been any testing for the mount other than the proto that is shipping soon?
3. You are, understandably, reserved regarding the details of the internals. That said, there are still many crucial information missing in the main IC post. Please consider adding the following information.
Adjusted front height, typing angle, unbuilt mass, plate renders (any cuts? Standoff locations if any?), hotswap PCB layout and renders of more than 2 angles.
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 09:40:27 »
Can you please show how the maglev system works?

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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 13:35:46 »
Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?
the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.

Ah yes, relatively new maker, lots of spelling mistakes a 300 USD range in price... are you're not going to show us know the keyboard we are going to buy is going to work... BUT TRUST US WITH YOUR $$$ I ASSURE you there will be no lateral "movemeant"

What a joke.

Look at this, dude's like 14, but yes trust him with your money...
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 14:42:02 »
this sounds interresting and I would buy it, but I need some more visualization, for example a prototype build done by Alexotos or Taeha to see the board with some switches and keycaps in order to decide wheter or not I would buy it. It does looks good and I would consider it for now if I get a good typing test and if the price doesn't skyrocket because the demand isn't high enough (400-500)

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 14:57:20 »
Magnets?! How do they work?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 15:09:52 »
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.
Like I said there is a solution to the issue I just cant share it.

Like many others, I am highly skeptical of this IC:

1. The price range is too high, $300 of variation tells us either the design is incomplete or you don't know what interest will be like.

2. You can't make claims like "fully levitating" without having some form of proof of concept. You've provided no internal renders, yet claim that there will be no lateral movement. While this doesn't sound impossible, it does sound very difficult. If you're concerned about IP, you can always patent your design. But to make incredible claims with no proof-of-concept   leaves me, and others, skeptical.

3. Is this your first board? If so, I'd recommend a smaller quantity GB like 50-150 units. Don't get greedy. An unlimited groupbuy implies you expect 1000+ orders, and at that quantity, you're most definitely taking advantage of economies of scale.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 15:14:00 »
Wait, my friend you're 15     Pls dont run group buy!!
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 15:25:09 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 15:39:59 »
Wait, my friend you're 15     Pls dont run group buy!!
I have already successfully ran a GB for the Gentleman 65. The board was also made in-house. I don't think that my credibility should be a concearn.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 15:50:52 »
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.
Like I said there is a solution to the issue I just cant share it.

Like many others, I am highly skeptical of this IC:

1. The price range is too high, $300 of variation tells us either the design is incomplete or you don't know what interest will be like.

2. You can't make claims like "fully levitating" without having some form of proof of concept. You've provided no internal renders, yet claim that there will be no lateral movement. While this doesn't sound impossible, it does sound very difficult. If you're concerned about IP, you can always patent your design. But to make incredible claims with no proof-of-concept   leaves me, and others, skeptical.

3. Is this your first board? If so, I'd recommend a smaller quantity GB like 50-150 units. Don't get greedy. An unlimited groupbuy implies you expect 1000+ orders, and at that quantity, you're most definitely taking advantage of economies of scale.

1. I understand that this is a very large price range, however, I was quite unsure of the interest would be shown. The IC will be updated with a more accurate estimate.

2. More information regarding the mount will be included in the next update.

3. I have already ran a 200 unit GB so I have experience with manufacturing and fulfillment.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 16:05:54 »
More renders please, glwic

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 16:46:19 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.


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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 16:50:03 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

Not true at all.

Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.

e: and I'm not even doubting the OP. I'm just pointing out that never in the history of ever has there been a keyboard group buy based on a secret... people join keyboard GBs when they know what they're buying
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 16:56:28 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

Not true at all.

Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.

ROFL, keeping things a secret...Right dude, I'm sure that's exactly what the OP is doing here.

There's 100+ keyboards that have gone to GB and been successful without showing the internals. Pay more attention.

If you don't like the internals not being shown, don't buy it. In this absolutely stupid market we're in, people will buy anything. Especially if streamers like it. You  don't speak for anyone here, and never confuse you not buying something with the overall market.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:00:28 »
Any protos?
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:08:10 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

Not true at all.

Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.

ROFL, keeping things a secret...Right dude, I'm sure that's exactly what the OP is doing here.

There's 100+ keyboards that have gone to GB and been successful without showing the internals. Pay more attention.

If you don't like the internals not being shown, don't buy it. In this absolutely stupid market we're in, people will buy anything. Especially if streamers like it. You  don't speak for anyone here, and never confuse you not buying something with the overall market.

Give me an example of a board with a "new novel mounting system" that has gone to GB without anyone knowing how the board is mounted.
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:12:24 »
This has to be the funniest IC that I have seen so far.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:14:06 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

are you daft?you quite literally said the same thing by saying the board would be sent to a streamer or it would have to be demonstrated to "alleviate any concerns most people will have"
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:23:58 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

are you daft?you quite literally said the same thing by saying the board would be sent to a streamer or it would have to be demonstrated to "alleviate any concerns most people will have"

Go back and read what he wrote. He clearly said no one would buy it unless he posted an exploded view in this IC, which simply isn't true. I pointed out exactly how it could be shown and how it will still sell.

So my question to you...Are you daft?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:26:20 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

Not true at all.

Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.

ROFL, keeping things a secret...Right dude, I'm sure that's exactly what the OP is doing here.

There's 100+ keyboards that have gone to GB and been successful without showing the internals. Pay more attention.

If you don't like the internals not being shown, don't buy it. In this absolutely stupid market we're in, people will buy anything. Especially if streamers like it. You  don't speak for anyone here, and never confuse you not buying something with the overall market.

Give me an example of a board with a "new novel mounting system" that has gone to GB without anyone knowing how the board is mounted.

That's not what you said at all. You said no board would sell unless an IC contains an exploded view of the internals, which again, is 100% not true.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:33:16 »
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.

Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.

Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.

are you daft?you quite literally said the same thing by saying the board would be sent to a streamer or it would have to be demonstrated to "alleviate any concerns most people will have"

Go back and read what he wrote. He clearly said no one would buy it unless he posted an exploded view in this IC, which simply isn't true. I pointed out exactly how it could be shown and how it will still sell.

So my question to you...Are you daft?

Public builds and streams are part of the IC is it not? I did not ask for an exploded view specifically, I said that if the mounting system is not explained, then the IC is useless. If it gets explained by a streamer, then the system is explained. Did the OP mention anything about sending the board to streamers? It seems more likely that he's going to explain it himself with a prototype demo. Bottom line my original point still stands and is 100% true. I'm not aware of any KB group buy that has completed where a new + unknown mounting system was not explained, still waiting for you to share that with me..

"People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in." definitely does not translate to "no one would buy it unless he posted an exploded view in this IC". If streamers build it and explain it then viewers will understand / believe in it. But I am not going to go back and forth with you, seems you were clearly confused on what I meant in my original comment.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:35:09 »

That's not what you said at all. You said no board would sell unless an IC contains an exploded view of the internals, which again, is 100% not true.

Show me anywhere that I asked for an exploded view of anything, send me a private message so we don't clog up the thread lol

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:47:57 »
As mentioned before, regard this user with EXTREME skepticism.

He's been attempting to hide his age by deleting posts where he admits what grade he was in school.

https://archive.is/oU3bf

If he was in 8th grade in October 2019, that puts him at 14-15 years old today.

His reddit account is 4 years old.

That means he was 10 or 11 when he created it and likely will be permanently suspended for being an useraged  user when he created the account.

Also, lots of questions about having a 14-15 year old run an unlimited group buy. Who's actually handling the money?

Also, no prototypes. Just renders.

Mega sus all the way around.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:48:47 »
How soft or tight do you think this moun could be? This looks super interesting and I am extremely curious about how it sounds too.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 17:49:09 »
uh yeah this sure is something.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 18:03:30 »
Gent turned out great, so I'll be watching this closely.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 19:02:35 »
Wondering how a mounting design will even work. Like, it looks like there’s a good chance of magnets interfering with a case when pressed off center. The last “render” does not help to clarify this.

That’s all being said, looking forward to a prototype together with a video proving that the design indeed work. Please make a sound test as well, if possible.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 22:32:23 »
Hope you can bring this to reality. Looking forward to seeing the proto and if the internals are actually effective. Glwic
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 22:36:07 »
Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.

What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 22:46:00 »
Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.

What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.

Cause "innovation" go brrr

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 23:02:09 »
interesting  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 23:02:59 »


Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.

What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.

These things are usually well explained by using an internal render or by showing the working but I think the answer to most questions on this thread has been "It's a secret" so I'd assume the same goes here too?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 23:03:59 »
As mentioned before, regard this user with EXTREME skepticism.

He's been attempting to hide his age by deleting posts where he admits what grade he was in school.

https://archive.is/oU3bf

If he was in 8th grade in October 2019, that puts him at 14-15 years old today.

His reddit account is 4 years old.

That means he was 10 or 11 when he created it and likely will be permanently suspended for being an useraged  user when he created the account.

Also, lots of questions about having a 14-15 year old run an unlimited group buy. Who's actually handling the money?

Also, no prototypes. Just renders.

Mega sus all the way around.
Bump

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Offline oyinbo_pikin

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 23:08:53 »
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.

Offline Zanhana

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 23:12:03 »
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.

maybe OP should learn terms like "prior art" and "obviousness" before mommy and daddy shell out for an intellectual property lawyer

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 23:19:47 »
Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.

What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.
The magnet mount is intended to create a very isolated mount. The goal is to almost completely isolate switch noise. The thickness and grade of the magnets will be tuned based on information from the proto. The final product will most likely include multiple strengths of magnets so users can choose between a flexy mount and a harder mount. There is quite a large gap to the bottom of the case so hitting the bottom will not be an issue.

Offline Cubic // esc lab

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 01:48:46 »
I can't give a **** about the dude's age if he does deliver a good product

That said, would need to see prototype + built by a reputable streamer. That should alleviate a lot of concerns.

And a piece of advice: if you're 15, please don't do an unlimited GB without a vendor

GLWIC

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:43:00 »
As mentioned before, regard this user with EXTREME skepticism.

He's been attempting to hide his age by deleting posts where he admits what grade he was in school.

https://archive.is/oU3bf

If he was in 8th grade in October 2019, that puts him at 14-15 years old today.

His reddit account is 4 years old.

That means he was 10 or 11 when he created it and likely will be permanently suspended for being an useraged  user when he created the account.

Also, lots of questions about having a 14-15 year old run an unlimited group buy. Who's actually handling the money?

Also, no prototypes. Just renders.

Mega sus all the way around.

brother... prob half the gbs ran are by underage ppl, as well as he said that protos are coming the next two weeks. he ran Gentleman65 successfully with his partner, who I assume is above the legal age. you guys need to listen before jumping on the bandwagon
 

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:44:33 »
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.

maybe OP should learn terms like "prior art" and "obviousness" before mommy and daddy shell out for an intellectual property lawyer

you honestly sound hella rude just b/c someone is underage. stop whining and don't join the gb ;)
 

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:52:18 »
ITT: People mad because they're not as smart as a 15 year old.

The inward force magnet arrangement is sensible, I had done something similar in CAD but didn't have the balls to proto or test anything. If you've accounted for the weight/angle of the plate assembly properly with magnet placement/strength it should be promising. Looking forward to seeing the prototypes, Orca might have some competition.

I do think a limited group buy would be a wise idea though. For such a unique mount, it might be best to get a smaller round out to people and gather feedback before jumping into something larger.

The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.
I think you should speak on your intentions with the patent as well. Do you intend on disallowing anyone in the community from using a similar (magnets with inward force applied) mounting system, or charging a fee for usage? I think that'd be a really ****ing dirty maneuver, especially considering the inspiration you've clearly taken from Lodestone and Orca.

« Last Edit: Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:09:24 by Photekq »
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:11:28 »
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.
showing photos and talking about a thing, meka it impossible to patent.
once you speak about it, it becomes "prior art"

Offline ratratrat

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:00:10 »
ITT: People mad because they're not as smart as a 15 year old.

The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104704.0 <-- Prior art. His patent would be instantly invalidated.

I guess a 15 year old being cagey about providing more than renders for his 'original idea' despite prior art makes him 'smart.'

The point is simply this: The way he has handled this IC doesn't inspire confidence. Deleting old threads that reveal his age, showing only 3 color swapped and otherwise identical renders, making claims without providing any sort of evidence to allay concerns... Either he's completely in over his head with the realities of a group buy of this complexity or... he's running a scam after doing a 'successful' small time project that required no skill. No shortage of that happening in this hobby.
« Last Edit: Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:15:45 by ratratrat »

Offline Sh1zaru

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 07:54:58 »
I'm sceptic as well but I think we should just wait for the proto..

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:11:49 »
Lol I know that there are multiple designers out there who’ve run successful group buys with as much or more logistics than average. I’d say give the kid a chance but he already proved himself at some level with a previous design and groupbuy. This hobby attracts a lot of big geeky nerds with big geeky brains, so I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to give constructive feedback now and wait for a proto to be sent to a streamer before dumping on the guy. He obviously understands the logistical side of things well enough so give him a chance to prove himself at least (especially bc he already ran a gb).

As for handling transparency regarding his age well, sure. He didn’t come out and straight up say “btw I’m not really shaving yet” but can you blame him after reading exhibit A: this thread? I was throwing eggs at people’s houses and doing other dumb **** when I was a kid, and you guys crucifying someone who’s already done a group buy for making spelling errors and deleting comments? Are you for real?

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:32:29 »
The successful GB under his belt makes me much less skeptical.  The design sounds looks cool.  I also think the higher price point will taper the unlimited GB to a manageable number (IMO of course). No comment on the patent angle... maybe maglev hoverboards are the next alice  :-\

Anywho,  good luck! I'm watching this one and I hope it turns out awesome.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:52:57 »
and you guys crucifying someone who’s already done a group buy for making spelling errors and deleting comments? Are you for real?
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Offline Sh1zaru

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:09:31 »
Lol I know that there are multiple designers out there who’ve run successful group buys with as much or more logistics than average. I’d say give the kid a chance but he already proved himself at some level with a previous design and groupbuy. This hobby attracts a lot of big geeky nerds with big geeky brains, so I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to give constructive feedback now and wait for a proto to be sent to a streamer before dumping on the guy. He obviously understands the logistical side of things well enough so give him a chance to prove himself at least (especially bc he already ran a gb).

As for handling transparency regarding his age well, sure. He didn’t come out and straight up say “btw I’m not really shaving yet” but can you blame him after reading exhibit A: this thread? I was throwing eggs at people’s houses and doing other dumb **** when I was a kid, and you guys crucifying someone who’s already done a group buy for making spelling errors and deleting comments? Are you for real?

100% agree with this.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:29:55 »
ITT: People mad because they're not as smart as a 15 year old.

The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104704.0 <-- Prior art. His patent would be instantly invalidated.

I guess a 15 year old being cagey about providing more than renders for his 'original idea' despite prior art makes him 'smart.'

The point is simply this: The way he has handled this IC doesn't inspire confidence. Deleting old threads that reveal his age, showing only 3 color swapped and otherwise identical renders, making claims without providing any sort of evidence to allay concerns... Either he's completely in over his head with the realities of a group buy of this complexity or... he's running a scam after doing a 'successful' small time project that required no skill. No shortage of that happening in this hobby.

Can you explain to me why his age matters
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Offline Zanhana

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:38:23 »
showing photos and talking about a thing, meka it impossible to patent.
once you speak about it, it becomes "prior art"

while I seriously doubt this design would be patentable (for example, for being obvious over the Lodestone and/or Orca), you're wrong if you're talking about U.S. law here. Under § 102(b)(1)(A), the inventor can disclose the invention as long as they file within a year of the disclosure. (In the EU, by contrast, my understanding is that any disclosure prior to filing voids the novelty of the invention.)

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[IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 13:37:45 »
Reading some of the vitriol on this thread

All I can say is - y'all need therapy. Keyboards alone shouldn't be making you THIS mad

Go outside and have a walk. Everything will be okay.
« Last Edit: Mon, 17 May 2021, 15:39:48 by loop | esc lab »

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 21:20:53 »
Reading some of the vitriol on this thread

All I can say is - y'all need therapy. Keyboards alone shouldn't be making you THIS mad

Go outside and have a walk. Everything will be okay.
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 22:02:30 »
Can you explain to me why his age matters

Well, for starters, it's illegal for him to have a PayPal account. Should anyone contact Paypal about JJ, his account is dead. Funds frozen. He hasn't said who his "business partner" is and whether or not they're handling the finances.

It was illegal for him to create a Reddit account when he did.

As it has been mentioned elsewhere, it's illegal for him to enter into any business contract due to his age... and should he do a runner, good luck going after a minor.

In this hobby, 100% of people who have tried to pull scams on me were underaged. So yes, I do have actual experience to feel like there's something to be wary about here. Since he IS underaged, the burden of proof that his GB should be legitimate is completely upon JJ should anyone raise concerns.
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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 22:10:55 »
Would like more images of mounting, more than just a cross-section, like how is the maget incased in the plate, metal holders screwed into the plate?.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 07:41:06 »
I am enjoying reading the replies on this. Anyways, seems like an interesting concept.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 08:32:23 »
showing photos and talking about a thing, meka it impossible to patent.
once you speak about it, it becomes "prior art"

while I seriously doubt this design would be patentable (for example, for being obvious over the Lodestone and/or Orca), you're wrong if you're talking about U.S. law here. Under § 102(b)(1)(A), the inventor can disclose the invention as long as they file within a year of the disclosure. (In the EU, by contrast, my understanding is that any disclosure prior to filing voids the novelty of the invention.)
i've just have a phone call with the man that handle the patents of my company.
we are both right :)

i'm in italy and yes, in UE if you discuss (like in a forum) about your idea, it won't be possible to patent it.

in usa, you have one year to patent something you are disclosing.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 08:37:57 »
Can you explain to me why his age matters

Well, for starters, it's illegal for him to have a PayPal account. Should anyone contact Paypal about JJ, his account is dead. Funds frozen. He hasn't said who his "business partner" is and whether or not they're handling the finances.

It was illegal for him to create a Reddit account when he did.

As it has been mentioned elsewhere, it's illegal for him to enter into any business contract due to his age... and should he do a runner, good luck going after a minor.

In this hobby, 100% of people who have tried to pull scams on me were underaged. So yes, I do have actual experience to feel like there's something to be wary about here. Since he IS underaged, the burden of proof that his GB should be legitimate is completely upon JJ should anyone raise concerns.

Yes hyper illegal for him to create a Reddit account he's going to jail, or maybe it's just against their terms of service and has no legal repercussions.
Illegal for him to enter a business contract is not true, he can have guarantors who are accepting the burden of risk on his behalf, he is still a signing part of that contract in all likelihood.

What I will say though is undertaking all the vendoring for worldwide on an unlimited group buy is a recipe for trouble although it's not likely that you're not going to reach a purchase count that can cause massive logistical issues still wouldn't be how I would run it. Keep it limited. Eitherway gl.

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Re: [IC] Nimbus 60 - Fully Levitating Plate Magnet Mount - 5/16 Update
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 12:27:16 »
Yes hyper illegal for him to create a Reddit account he's going to jail, or maybe it's just against their terms of service and has no legal repercussions.
Illegal for him to enter a business contract is not true, he can have guarantors who are accepting the burden of risk on his behalf, he is still a signing part of that contract in all likelihood.

What I will say though is undertaking all the vendoring for worldwide on an unlimited group buy is a recipe for trouble although it's not likely that you're not going to reach a purchase count that can cause massive logistical issues still wouldn't be how I would run it. Keep it limited. Eitherway gl.

Legality in this case is civil, not criminal. There's no need for you to be disingenuous here by equating it to jail.

It's also a trust issue.

However, civil penalties for knowingly allowing an underaged person to have an account can get pretty steep... and as such, sites like Reddit and Paypal will act swiftly and harshly when they're made aware of such a case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act#Violations

$40,000 fine (minimum) PER INSTANCE.

"Keep(ing) it limited" doesn't change how quickly a buy can go south once JJ gets locked out of his accounts due to underage violations.

A minor cannot engage in any contract, business or otherwise, unless they are emancipated. So unless his business partner is also his guardian, such contracts are unenforceable and likely void. This falls under Capacity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_(law)

But the tricky part of this whole situation, which falls back into the whole trust issue... He calls the person he is working with his business partner but also says he is his partner's employee. Can't have it both ways. Either a partner or a subordinate, not both.

https://old.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/ndh5rm/ic_nimbus_60_fully_levitating_plate_magnet_mount/gydc3el/