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Title: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 21 April 2013, 22:58:38
Preface: I know I say this at the end of this review, but if you are using this as a reference for my thoughts, please also refer to my Switch Try Bag review (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41117.0).

For those who don't know, I get asked a lot (Because of my Switch Try Bag and having gone to multiple meets I guess...or because I'm making this statement up :P) how different switches feel. And I love giving my opinion. So this is a post meetup review that I told people in IRC I'd write so that they could find my thoughts.

TABLE OF CONTENTS


(http://i.imgur.com/mtIIk.jpg)
The Universal Switch Testerís Layout

The last two weekends have been spent staring at various highways as I traveled around to meet bros/sisses (whatever the plural of a sis is) and more importantly type on a ton of keyboards that Iíve never tried out before. People are forever asking what different switches feel like so I thought Iíd write my thought down so that people can more easily and repeatedly see them.

Two weeks ago, I was in the Nashville and met up with mashby. Before our lovely tour of MechanicalKeyboards.comís storefront, I got to play with the Universal Switich Tester (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39254.0). Before I write this review, Iím going to just say that the ghetto switches feel the same as the regular switches. They are slightly more wobbly but thatís the only difference I felt.

First off, I re-confirmed that I still dislike MX Reds and Browns. They are both way too light for me. The Reds feel horrible, just linear and if I accidently hit one of the keys too hard, the entire board gets actuated. Browns take the feeling of Reds and add barely-felt bump. I think Browns are almost worse for me than Reds because sometimes they feel linear, sometimes they feel a touch tactile, and sometimes they feel like something got jammed in Reds. Bleh.

As my signature indicates, I love MX blues. It was nice to have the left alpha side be in MX Blues so that I had a baseline for the other switches on the board. On the left side are Browns which my thoughts are shown before.  And then the infamous ergo-clears were in the middle. Honestly? I didnít like them at all. The first time I pressed down on them I thought they were Browns. On paper, they sounded great. Clears are supposed to be a little heavy and the swap to lighter springs seemed like a great idea. A lighter actuation force with the heavier bump sounded like a dream. However, on the actual board, it felt like a Brown switch. When I pointed the ergo-clears out to Mashby, he said the same thing and instantly popped a cap to check the stem color. I wasnít that impressed. But I figured Iíd give the ergo-clears another try at the Chicago meetup, so more opinions on that later.

So I might have disliked ergo-clears, but the little cluster above with the MX clears was amazing. They felt a little like Blacks in terms of actuation force. And they have this HUGE bump. Itís not like the little one in browns where I get confused half the time if itís actually there. This one is very very noticeable. They felt really amazing and were relatively quiet. Unfortunately theyíre not as smooth as Blacks and Whites. They remind me of Blues in the action but instead of clicking, they have bumps. I donít think Blues are smooth but they do have a fun mechanical feel which I adore.

Moving to the top left, this was the most interesting cluster to me. Because of my Switch Try Bag, I was really into MX Whites and I couldnít wait to try them mounted on a keyboard. And I wasnít disappointed. Imagine if MX Blacks were a touch heavier, were smooth, had a click, and the bottom out was almost cushiony. I really loved how they feel. So the white on the escape felt lovely; just as good as they felt even without being mounted on the keyboard. The two Whites in the F1 and F2 with the Black springs also felt great. They were lighter but still maintained the great feel of Whites. Then the ergo-whites on the F and V keys felt incredible. Unlike the ergo-clears, the switches had a lighter actuation but still had the rest of the feel of MX Whites.

On the F3 key, there was a MX Green switch which felt like super clicky Blue and a little heavier. I would say it was between Blues and Blacks. I got to confirm this later on one of the Ducky DK9008G2 with MX Greens (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=199) in the MechanicalKeyboards.com showroom.  I really enjoyed them and I wish that I wasnít so swept up with MX Whites. Greens definitely deserved their own attention.

Finally on the Switch Tester, MX Greys are absurdly heavy. Way too heavy.  They were laughable on the Universal Switch Tester and then I tried them on the Ducky DK9008G2 Red/Black/Grey hybrid board (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=372).

Other really cool keyboards I got to try out at Mechanical Keyboards are the Matias boards. The Tactile Pro felt exactly like the tactile Grey Alps I had in my Switch Try bag. Imagine clicky whites Alps but instead of having a click at the top, they just have a crispy bump. The Quiet Pro felt like a muffled version of the Tactile Pro. Both are a real delight to type on and I wish that I had the chance to try the clicky Matias switches out. I've since discovered that the "clicky Matias" switches are the switches in the Tactile Pro. Lovely switches.


So my summary from the MechanicalKeyboards.com meet:


In Chicago/At the Great Lakes meetup, I got to play with i3oilermakerís QFR again.
(http://i6.minus.com/ibrfWNmZgiRLk7.jpg)
The infamous i3oilermakrer QFR with Ergo-Clears

So yet again, I tried the ergo-clears and I really wasnít impressed with this board. I know you love your new board Keymaster, but I wasnít impressed with the sticky mods on the left side. When I pressed down on buttons like Tab, Caps Lock, Left Shift, and Tilde, the buttons seemed to stick. They wouldnít return to their original position after I pressed down on them which annoyed me.

I also got to try out an SSK and a Model M. I really loved that mechanical feel when the buckling springs hit against the barrel. It makes that amazing ping and just feels so solid and mechanical. I wouldíve instantly bought one of the Model Mís Tipo33 was selling but I really fell in love with the SSK. That being said, for the Chicago Mod meetup (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42589.0), Iím going to get a Model M anyways. So Buckling Spring boards apparently all feel different and the ones I felt were a little crispy at the top, then the buckling action happens, followed but a bottom out that felt like a harder version of MX Blues. I really loved how tactile/clicky these felt. If anyone has an SSK, please let me know. I really would love to have one.

I think from the Chicago meetup writeup (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40116.msg854447#msg854447), people know my thoughts about the Filco Zero but just in case people missed that *Ahem*:
I
NEED
ONE
OF
THESE
RIGHT
NOW
PM ME OFFERS

SeriouslyÖI wish I was kidding but this is so cool. Itís go the build and looks of a Filco with the great clicky-ness of Alps. I know they were XM clones but Iím already salivating over the thought of having complicated blue Alps, clicky White Alps, or the Matias Clicky/Tactile switches in it.

I also got to mess with prdlm2009ís Kinesis and Maltron. The Kinesis was an exercise in futility since I could NOT figure out where to place my hands after messing with it on and off for 45 minutes. The blank caps coupled with the layout still boggles my mind. The Maltron was a bit tamer for me but Iím not sure what happened to some of the Clears in the board; some of which felt like they werenít tactile or somehow lost their bump. I shouldíve prefaced this part by saying that I think that the ergonomic layouts change my perception of switches because I didnít hate the reds in the Kinesis or the Browns in deepthawtís G80-5000 but I didnít care for the Clears in the Maltron.  Oh and deepthawtís G80-500 had 2 Superblacks which felt like pushing against a wooden fence. There was a SLIGHT flex but really just felt super solid.

Some other thoughts I had were that the vintage switch and Korean spring debates might not be so far off. I tried the Blues in a Dolch PAC keyboard and they really did feel lighter and smoother than the Blues in my Filco or Leopold. And the 65g Korean springs in SmallFryís Phantom made the Blues feel clicker, springier, and had a slightly cushiony bottom out.

Finally, I also tried a HHKB Pro 2 with 45g Topre switches I believe an HHKB-S. I was already disappointed and found out I really hate Topre switches. In fact, they are now my least favorite mechanical switch. They feel like a rubber dome switch except that there is an actuation point in the middle and the bottom out isnít completely mushy. Instead, it is more reminiscent of the bottom out in MX Whites: A little cushiony. For the price point, Iíd prefer to keep using my Microsoft Ergonomic 4000.

So my summary from the Chicago meet:

Overall from the two meets I now know my favorites and what switches I donít like:

Favorites

Dislikes

You can combine this with my review on the Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41117.0) to get a full picture of what I think of different switches. And since I'm using MX Blues as a baseline for all my reviews, I thought I'd point out that Best Buy carries BlackWidows which has the little cutout around the arrow cluster so you can try MX Blues pretty easily for free. MicroCenter also carries various boards in MX Reds, MX Blacks, MX Browns, and MX Blues. My local MicroCenter even carried Clicky White Alps.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: keymaster on Sun, 21 April 2013, 23:21:00
Awesome review, CPTBadAss. I appreciate your extensive review of the different switch types and keyboard you've encountered. I remember the left-side mods sticking on l3oilermaker's QFR sticking at the meet. However, this has not been the case with the thick IMSTO PBT keys I now have on the keyboard. The mods do not stick whatsoever, rather, the ` key and an occasional 1x1 key sticks on the upstroke. I'm thinking of switching out the MX brown springs for 62g or 65g springs.

I really liked the MX Whites at the meet and I could see a lighter spring being a great mod. While I have grown to dislike MX Blues, the Dolch PAC keyboard with "vintage" blues really did feel different -- and the difference was a very pleasant one.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Nask on Mon, 22 April 2013, 01:42:54
This is a very well written test, and very detailed.
I appreciate it is very subjective and very precise when it comes to talk about of touch feeling and especially you compare with other switches.
It makes me want to try all those different switches, of course, on keyboard.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:04:29
The Wall of Text here. i like it.


Finally on the Switch Tester, MX Greys are absurdly heavy. Way too heavy.  They were laughable on the Universal Switch Tester

All MX Greys on a GH60 of mine.  :p

Solid Write up
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: mashby on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:18:37
Great review, great summary and a lot of fun to read. Thank you.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:26:53
Boo, I'm in Nashville right now. For about an hour before I catch a flight to Cleveland. Anybody in Cleveland who would want to meet up before I drive out of there?
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:28:24
Boo, I'm in Nashville right now. For about an hour before I catch a flight to Cleveland. Anybody in Cleveland who would want to meet up before I drive out of there?

If you're driving through Cincy let me know man.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:31:34
Aww, sorry bro. That's in the opposite direction of where I'm heading... :/
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:35:11
Next time :D
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 22 April 2013, 13:55:32
I'll be driving to Youngstown. I would be able to drive around there to meet people. Let me know.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 17:37:24
I'll be driving to Youngstown. I would be able to drive around there to meet people. Let me know.

A bit far from me. If you're there over the weekend though...
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 22 April 2013, 18:17:27
Maybe we can meet up in Columbus one night? It's roughly halfway between us. Can you drive? And drink?
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 18:17:53
Maybe we can meet up in Columbus one night? It's roughly halfway between us. Can you drive? And drink?

I don't drink but I can drive up. PM me ^__^
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: vivalarevoluciůn on Mon, 22 April 2013, 19:35:13
I fell in love with Topre on that HHKB.  I feel exactly the opposite at CPTBadass.  I can't wait to get my hands on one of those new Leopold Topre boards.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 19:37:20
I demand you write a review when you get your Leopold sir :D
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: dante on Mon, 22 April 2013, 19:43:42
CPTBadAss: while I didn't like MX Whites on your Pure I did notice how much more solid the board feels compared to the Poker.   I had a couple Poker's with Red and Black switches that caused the board to buckle in the middle.  So I was curious how the MX Whites and I'd say the Pure is much improved.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 19:46:00
The Pure case is better than the Poker? I'm surprised because my Pure is a little shaky and it's kinda flimsy IMO. But maybe I'm not used to this type of case/board. What didn't you like about MX Whites dante?
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: dante on Mon, 22 April 2013, 19:51:08
The Pure case is better than the Poker? I'm surprised because my Pure is a little shaky and it's kinda flimsy IMO. But maybe I'm not used to this type of case/board. What didn't you like about MX Whites dante?

Well it does feel a little flimsy - but on the Poker if you type towards the center of the keyboard the PCB itself would buckle - even on Reds; but I never encountered that on the Pure.

The Whites ... two issues ... first the tactility doesn't have as much bite as buckling spring; also the whites seemed to suffer the same fate as blues/greens: Half the whites I tried didn't click.

Cherry ML doesn't have as much bite as the buckling spring but I love that springy gritty feel :)  Ok I'm weird.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: vivalarevoluciůn on Mon, 22 April 2013, 20:02:02
I demand you write a review when you get your Leopold sir :D

We'll see if I could even get the thing.  Looks like we need a Korean proxy at the moment.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: vivalarevoluciůn on Mon, 22 April 2013, 20:03:27
Oh yeah, the Model M is living up the hype.  No other clicky switch like that tank of a keyboard.  Makes all my Alps board feel like child's play.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: dante on Mon, 22 April 2013, 20:25:25
Oh yeah, the Model M is living up the hype.  No other clicky switch like that tank of a keyboard.  Makes all my Alps board feel like child's play.

Buckling spring would be my only keyboard if noise wasn't a consideration.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 20:30:49
Does the floss mod cut down on the noise?
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: vivalarevoluciůn on Mon, 22 April 2013, 20:48:52
Also, CPTBadass, did you see this for sale on Ebay?  Not a Filco Zero, but interesting enough.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221208105758?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 20:53:27
Yes but I have a new Filco Zero Wannabe Project (http://wiki.geekhack.org/index.php?title=User_talk:CPTBadAss#TKL_Alps_Board_Project)
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: tipo33 on Mon, 22 April 2013, 21:23:07
Oh yeah, the Model M is living up the hype.  No other clicky switch like that tank of a keyboard.  Makes all my Alps board feel like child's play.

Buckling spring would be my only keyboard if noise wasn't a consideration.
same, the GF absolutely HATES the racket it makes.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Glissant on Tue, 23 April 2013, 22:01:39
I didn't think about browns like that before you mentioned it. Now I'm beginning to find it difficult to feel the difference when typing xD.
It felt like you missed the green switches in your summary by the way. Not sure if that was intentional or not. I guess you really said everything in the review itself.

I am really glad I am getting some white switches after reading your review. Thanks for a comprehensive and thorough write up.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 23 April 2013, 22:04:58
I didn't get nearly enough time on Greens to make a proper impression. I enjoyed that they were clicky. Pretty much, they were Blues but a bit heavier. Somewhere between Blues and Blacks. You get that lovely touch of resistance when you hit the keys and they click like Blues. I liked em so much that they're going on my next custom board.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: mashby on Wed, 24 April 2013, 08:38:14
I didn't get nearly enough time on Greens to make a proper impression. I enjoyed that they were clicky. Pretty much, they were Blues but a bit heavier. Somewhere between Blues and Blacks. You get that lovely touch of resistance when you hit the keys and they click like Blues. I liked em so much that they're going on my next custom board.

What to buy a QFR with MX-Greens?  :p
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 24 April 2013, 08:43:09
If it didn't have that rubber coating, I would've bought it at MechanicalKeyboards!
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: mashby on Wed, 24 April 2013, 11:03:43
If it didn't have that rubber coating, I would've bought it at MechanicalKeyboards!

That's easy to fix with a Vortex Aluminum Case (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212). Sorry, I shouldn't be thread crapping like this. LOL.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 24 April 2013, 22:57:01
Wasn't a huge fan of those cases tbh. And it's fine XD
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Dianoda on Thu, 25 April 2013, 00:27:45
Nice write up CPT.  Reading through this thread made me realize I spent way too much time playing with my camera at the meetup and not enough time playing with keyboards...
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 25 April 2013, 20:47:08
The solution is to come to the next meetup!
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Dianoda on Fri, 26 April 2013, 01:02:14
Yeah, and my LZ-GH should be ready in time for the next Chicago area meetup, too :D.  Should be fun to see, although judging from your switch reviews/preferences, I'm not sure you'll like my switch choice much - 55g blacks, lubed, stickered (what can I say, I like my switches light).
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 26 April 2013, 09:33:59
Yeah, and my LZ-GH should be ready in time for the next Chicago area meetup, too :D.  Should be fun to see, although judging from your switch reviews/preferences, I'm not sure you'll like my switch choice much - 55g blacks, lubed, stickered (what can I say, I like my switches light).

That sounds really good, Dianoda. Isn't the 55g Korean spring not much different from the MX Red spring, though? I've read good things about 62g blacks.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 26 April 2013, 10:36:10
Great review! Extremely detailed.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Dianoda on Fri, 26 April 2013, 11:05:39
Yeah, and my LZ-GH should be ready in time for the next Chicago area meetup, too :D.  Should be fun to see, although judging from your switch reviews/preferences, I'm not sure you'll like my switch choice much - 55g blacks, lubed, stickered (what can I say, I like my switches light).

That sounds really good, Dianoda. Isn't the 55g Korean spring not much different from the MX Red spring, though? I've read good things about 62g blacks.

Yeah, the 55g springs should be a little lighter than the stock mx red springs, although now that I think about it, I'm using the 55g springs from sherryton/originative.  There was some discussion earlier on his vendor forum as to whether his 55g springs are truly 55g or not (some reported that they are slightly heavier than the stock springs in mx reds/blues/browns).  So it could be that my springs are actually closer to 62g than 55g, I'll need to test it against a stock mx red board at the next meetup.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 26 April 2013, 11:20:42
Yeah, and my LZ-GH should be ready in time for the next Chicago area meetup, too :D.  Should be fun to see, although judging from your switch reviews/preferences, I'm not sure you'll like my switch choice much - 55g blacks, lubed, stickered (what can I say, I like my switches light).

That sounds really good, Dianoda. Isn't the 55g Korean spring not much different from the MX Red spring, though? I've read good things about 62g blacks.

Yeah, the 55g springs should be a little lighter than the stock mx red springs, although now that I think about it, I'm using the 55g springs from sherryton/originative.  There was some discussion earlier on his vendor forum as to whether his 55g springs are truly 55g or not (some reported that they are slightly heavier than the stock springs in mx reds/blues/browns).  So it could be that my springs are actually closer to 62g than 55g, I'll need to test it against a stock mx red board at the next meetup.

The 55g springs I got from sherry were, as far as I could tell, lighter than stock red/blue/brown springs. Not by much, but then again, they aren't really suppose to be all that much lighter

Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Dreamre on Fri, 26 April 2013, 19:30:02
Too bad there's no meet-ups in Canada :(.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 26 April 2013, 19:32:13
Too bad there's no meet-ups in Canada :(.
You're too slow!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38206.0
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Dreamre on Fri, 26 April 2013, 19:51:14
Too bad there's no meet-ups in Canada :(.
You're too slow!

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38206.0

No!!!

I will definitely go during the next meet up :0.

Well...since I just got into this expensive hobby, you can't blame me!
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:00:46
Are the springs/stems on this board lubed?  :)
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:02:11
Are the springs/stems on this board lubed?  :)

Oh which board Sisbot?
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:03:11
The Universal Switch Tester or anything with browns/ergo-clears for that matter.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:04:39
I don't think so. And I've never tried lubed Browns and Ergo-Clears.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:07:20
K, well I'm not trying to say anything bad about your switch review (It's excellent & I'm thankful for it), but you should definitely try more switches that are lubed.
If you haven't tried lubed ergo-clears by the time I have my GH60, I'll let you borrow my Poker for a little while :)

Edit - I forgot to add in that unlubed switches feel horrible comparatively imo
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:10:43
If and when I try lubed MX switches, I'll probably add another writeup to this. I'm trying to compile my thoughts on switches in one place so I don't have to keep repeating myself :D. And I appreciate the offer. I might have to take you up on it.

Hopefully I'm not too biased against Browns and Ergo-Clears and I'll give them a fair chance when the time comes. I've read that lubed Browns feel like Reds and lubed ergo-clears feel like Topre. Both of which I'm not a fan of as I've written.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: naokira on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:39:09
So, whites are like blues with a silent click with a stiffer string? I came from blues and I want to be silent this time. :) I can go for clears too. But I'm intrigue on whites.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: Jocelyn on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:41:40
So, whites are like blues with a silent click with a stiffer string? I came from blues and I want to be silent this time. :) I can go for clears too. But I'm intrigue on whites.

They're much quieter, but definitely not silent and yes they have stiffer springs.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 May 2013, 12:43:07
So, whites are like blues with a silent click with a stiffer string? I came from blues and I want to be silent this time. :) I can go for clears too. But I'm intrigue on whites.

They're not silent. It's a muffled click and like Jocelyn said, they have heavier springs. Clears are also not silent. When I'm in calls on Skype, I always think Clears are Blacks or a clicky switch that is modded. And I've written all my other thoughts in the OP.
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: naokira on Fri, 24 May 2013, 13:28:40
Just got confused on whites. Thanks! Will try both when I got the chance :)
Title: Re: Post-Chicago/Great Lakes/Nashville Meetup Switch Reviews
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 24 May 2013, 13:44:44
No worries man! Let us know what you think when you finally try some.