Windows 10 has always worked fine for me
I can't afford the software...
I guess I kind of rambled on more than was really necessary to answer the question, and I'm not sure if it's really what you're looking for, but there it is.Not looking for anything specifically.
I still just don't understand why people have such issues upgrading to the latest windows versions--always a lot of drama and complaints associated with new releases. Some people (*cough*) still want us to use Windows 95...I started on ummmm, let's just say an older version of Windows and used every beta since, including Win10 beta. I used Win10 as soon as it became open to beta testers and used it until a week after it was released to manufacturing and issued licenses to beta testers. Historically, I was usually one of the first people onto a new version of Windows and can switch between Windows, Mac and Linux rather seamlessly so it's not a problem of not wanting to moving forward.
Probably not as appealing to power users, but all I need my computer to do nowadays is to work smoothly, which it does.That could be some of it, I'm used to having way more control and when it does so much behind the scenes without permission or ability to stop it, it just irks me to no end. My current desktop is the first time I've ever felt I had any resources to spare.
Some of the PCs at work run Windows 10, although I use a Mac now. I have to support them occasionally. Can't find anything, dialogs are moved around or removed for no apparent reason. Incomprehensible ribbons have replaced simple menus. The start menu is full of advertisements.
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...The start menu is full of advertisements...
Windows 10 has always worked fine for me
The start menu is full of advertisements.
The start menu is full of advertisements.
I'm not sure if you're not using a full version of Windows 10 or what, but none of the machines that I have windows 10 on them have ads in the Start menu. And they're all using the default start menu, and I've not changed it (because I don't really use the Start Menu, I use truelaunchbar and fences)
I can't afford the software...
My PC randomly crashes / halts maybe once a week typically while using a web browser, either Chrome or FF. Back when I ran Win 7 it ran flawlessly.There is a bug, no one is sure of the cause, but some systems just cannot run run chrome, some cannot run FF, but usually it's only one or the other.
They should just give out win10 for free. GG, MacOS..They do.
I also think Microsoft has lost their way in providing a workstation type OS. A fresh install of a business OS should not greet the user with Candy Crush and XBox tiles. A large organization may have the resources to customize an Enterprise image to their exact specifications and mass deploy is, but a small/medium business is just going to start off with a Pro install and have to deal with everything that comes with it.Enterprise edition is free of Candy Crush and such, it even lacks web apps, it's like a fresh Win7 install. Supposedly the latest (Redstone 5) also allows for more customization in terms of updates and spying but I haven't had a chance to test it.
Some of the PCs at work run Windows 10, although I use a Mac now. I have to support them occasionally. Can't find anything, dialogs are moved around or removed for no apparent reason. Incomprehensible ribbons have replaced simple menus. The start menu is full of advertisements.
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You are in the same situation as me, from an outsider looking in perspective, it comes across as a horrible, horrible mess.
To be fair though, a lot of Linux distros have gone the same way. Weird GUIs, radical layout changes, systemd ...You can pick a distro without systemd, or a different DE or package manager. With Windows you get what MS shoves down your throat.
The start menu is full of advertisements.
I'm not sure if you're not using a full version of Windows 10 or what, but none of the machines that I have windows 10 on them have ads in the Start menu. And they're all using the default start menu, and I've not changed it (because I don't really use the Start Menu, I use truelaunchbar and fences)
If you look at the picture in this TechNet Blog (https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/deploymentguys/2016/03/07/windows-10-start-layout-customization/) (it's not letting me hotlink the picture) you can see "suggested" apps. I'd say that qualifies as an ad.
I've seen that picture in several places. But I've never seen that on my PC in use.
Gaming.I use Win10 for gaming as well.
I've seen that picture in several places. But I've never seen that on my PC in use.
It depends on your version of windows, on OEM (pre-instaleld) copies it tends to be on by default.
It can be turned on and off by going to settings, personalization, start, then change the "show suggestions on occasion on the start menu".
I haven't paid attention to it enough to see if maybe home gets them more often, or pro doesn't at all. Or maybe it depends on when it was installed and what version. Not sure, it does seem to be random, so maybe OEM depends on your vendor or... Who knows.I've seen that picture in several places. But I've never seen that on my PC in use.
It depends on your version of windows, on OEM (pre-instaleld) copies it tends to be on by default.
It can be turned on and off by going to settings, personalization, start, then change the "show suggestions on occasion on the start menu".
I have an OEM and two upgrades and on none of them have I ever seen it nor have I turned it off. Actually, I just checked, and that setting is on in the settings for my primary desktop. But I've never seen them.
/me shrugs
When I upgraded my Windows 7 32bit (grandfathered via legit OEM) to Windows 7 64bit (currently using again) and then to Windows 10 Home 64bit I too saw the likes of Candy Crush and One Drive.Everyone but Enterprise gets Candy Crush.
That and an extra 500MB+ of RAM usage at startup. Which I assumed was a convenience tax due to the freshly vacant software testing department.
Enterprise edition is free of Candy Crush and such, it even lacks web apps, it's like a fresh Win7 install. Supposedly the latest (Redstone 5) also allows for more customization in terms of updates and spying but I haven't had a chance to test it.
Companies not using Enterprise though, have largely given up trying to clean up a normal Win10 install. It's just simply too much effort to keep it clear of MS' BS.
O&O Shutup 10 can help, so does Win10 privacy, I've used bot to varying degrees of success. Problem is, take out too much and you even gimp driver installs.
If I was running Win10 though, it would be Enterprise, legal or not. Pro and Basic is just not an option even worth considering.
Microsoft didn't give me a choice as to whether I wanted to have One Drive software installed so that kind of drove me away from it. If it didn't take me seven hours to upload 5GB I would probably go with the SpiderOak $12 plan to backup all my OS partitions. Although I've heard good things about Seafile, my local Nextcloud (webdav included) setup has been fine for my backup and file storage needs. Give me the option to remove OneDrive (~2015) without trying to reinstall (Candy Crush as well) it after every update and I would have been content.CandyCrush and other stuff, including one Drive at one time was relatively simple to remove, but MS has continuously made it more and more difficult and will be reinstalled next major update, with changes to make it harder to remove again. There is one program that can do it and keep it removed (win10privacy), as well as remove ALL of the garbage, however in order to keep them away you need to disable updates. Remove too much and even driver updates and installs get borked though. A better option is to just install enterprise edition if you can get a copy, every other edition of Windows is either malware or shareware in my opinion.
I have the same thoughts about Win10. Imo, Win10 Home/Pro should be FreeWare;By all rights, Win10 qualifies as as malware.
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If I were to take a guess, I'd be willing to bet that eventually Windows will have a subscription based service. Last I heard, Microsoft plans to stick to Win10 for a long time, and if true, they're going to want to increase the revenue it generates outside of OEM sales and data profiting, when it finally saturates the market. The next step is to leverage a subscription based model that promises more stable update releases and the possibly disabling a small portion of telemetry to entice users to bite.
I'm not a heavy gamer anymore, so I've been putting off upgrading hardware so I'm not forced onto Win10, but it'll only last so long, but I've been looking into enterprise versions myself. Linux has been making great headway, but it still requires a good amount of investment to get some Win native games working. I can only hope that more game developers start pushing out linux versions of their games.
Microsoft didn't give me a choice as to whether I wanted to have One Drive software installed so that kind of drove me away from it. If it didn't take me seven hours to upload 5GB I would probably go with the SpiderOak $12 plan to backup all my OS partitions. Although I've heard good things about Seafile, my local Nextcloud (webdav included) setup has been fine for my backup and file storage needs. Give me the option to remove OneDrive (~2015) without trying to reinstall (Candy Crush as well) it after every update and I would have been content.CandyCrush and other stuff, including one Drive at one time was relatively simple to remove, but MS has continuously made it more and more difficult and will be reinstalled next major update, with changes to make it harder to remove again. There is one program that can do it and keep it removed (win10privacy), as well as remove ALL of the garbage, however in order to keep them away you need to disable updates. Remove too much and even driver updates and installs get borked though. A better option is to just install enterprise edition if you can get a copy, every other edition of Windows is either malware or shareware in my opinion.
A reinstall will not remove Onedrive, it's now baked in. It can however be disabled from startup in it's settings. That only helps so much as it moves your folders to a new location. Which, by the way MS, WTFlyingF? That is a straight up malware move right there. How long did MS fight to get everything one spot, and now they just move it without permission. Just another example of malware like activity.
Personally, I'm using Mega (free 50gigs), with a smaller folder inside that duplicating to Google. Google is a hassle on Linux (no good, free clients), Mega is easy, unfortunately Mega's trash system doesn't deal well with duplicate file names, so my most important stuff is shared with both for redundancy and better trash system.
By all rights, Win10 qualifies as as malware.
It installed without asking (Virus), installs software you don't want (trojan), displays advertisements (malvertising), makes changes you didn't ask for and steals private information. I would say it's not moving and encrypting data then asking for money, but Onedrive is moving data then telling you that you need to pay for more space (ransomware).
Windows 10 already does allow you to disable a small portion of telemetry, this is "basic" data collection. However, if you read the documentation that was released in the EU, basic is 95% of telemetry, and full only adds a few minor things. It's complete marketing BS. MS says there is no immediate plans for win10 as a service for normal users, however, rumor is it may become free. Technically you can run Win10 now without a license (just no personalization), MS even allows you to download it and offers it free to mobile devices under 10inches. They are not making much from Win10 itself (they make money from everything tacked into it, like One Drive and Office) so it's not a stretch to see it going free in the future.
You can get Win7 and 8 onto newer systems, but it's tricky, especially for Win7, I recently did it on a Nuc. Win7 was a pain and after a short time I just couldn't be bothered as you have to inject USB3 drivers and few other changes which is easier if you use windows on the machine you are making the disk for. Win8.1 was far easier, which was what the customer got.
As far as Linux native games, I wouldn't hold your breath, however if rumors are to be believed it may not matter. In the meantime, Lutris is doing quite well.
No arguments with that. I know some people get heated over calling it malware, and didn't want to bring that up, haha.
It's a shame because Win7 was very power user friendly and I've only researched Win8 (it's been a while since I've built much), but the whole Win10 thing really puts me off. It just feels like I'd be wasting too much time to wrangle it in to be worth using as a daily driver, and I'm sure that's how a lot of people that oppose but use it feel as well.
With how invasive it is, I may end up keeping my old rig to run linux for media, work, and personal use and put together a new rig solely for Windows gaming, just to keep local data isolated. I've considered just dual-booting, but have read Win10 snoops and moves data it shouldn't be able to without user permission. It depends on how I decide on tackling the issue when I get the itch to slap some new hardware together; the Zen2 stuff is getting me really itchy...
This isn't even about keeping shady things off the record, it's about keeping as much financial, business, and personal data secure as possible.
Edit; I have been trying to keep up with projects like Lutris/Wine/GameOnLinux, and it does make me feel a bit of relief. These guys are the real MVPs for the future of PC gaming atm.
Win10 moves around a TON of data.
On major updates it archives the current Windows install the deletes it, before reinstalling itself before putting the data back that it needs to This is how they caused the recent Onedrive bug, it's a stupid and moronic method of doing updates, destined to miss something eventually.
It will also over-ride a dual boot system, not just to boot partition, but going so far as to mess with your uefi settings as well.
Oh hell, I wasn't aware that it could mess with the UEFI. This is indeed a large problem if it can access and manipulate firmware without owner consent.You're welcome.
I can understand why an installation/update would want to create a copy of user settings, wipe for a clean install, and over-write with corresponding settings from the copy of user preferred settings, but to go as far as copying user content/documents on to their servers is just aggressive data collection/snooping; there's no rhyme or reason why this doesn't happen locally. It's absolutely outrageous that it hasn't caused a big media stink, I may look into it a bit more later on.
Thanks for all the info so far; it's a good spread of things to look into when planning for upgrade time.
It depends on your version of windows, on OEM (pre-instaleld) copies it tends to be on by default.
Everyone but Enterprise gets Candy Crush.
Pretty sure it's the same for One Drive.
It depends on your version of windows, on OEM (pre-instaleld) copies it tends to be on by default.
I have a few Win10 ISOs squirreled away, so I fired up virtualbox for a few tests. I tried installing a few different releases of Win10 directly in a variety of releases, editions and architectures. Then I tried installing Win7 a few times and upgrading via both the Microsoft Media Creation Tool and different Win10 ISOs. Not once was I able to get the "suggested apps" to show up by default. Maybe I just didn't hit that magical setup to make it appear. Or maybe it's no longer enabled due to negative feedback or something.Everyone but Enterprise gets Candy Crush.
Pretty sure it's the same for One Drive.
I also installed a fresh copy of Win10 Enterprise 1607 so see what was included by default. Still get the Windows Store, Xbox, OneDrive, etc. Can't tell on Candy Crush as there's still a few tiles that are refusing to update.Show Image(https://sites.google.com/site/ddot98online/Win10.png)
If you really want to thin down what's included, you need to go with Win10 Enterprise LTSB/LTSC. Among other things, it's missing: Metro Apps (or whatever they're called now), Windows Store, Edge Browser, Cortana and all feature updates. Whether loosing any of those bits is a positive or negative is going to be up to individual preference and what you use/appreciate. There's also that niggle of a home user / small business getting a license for it.Show Image(https://sites.google.com/site/ddot98online/Win10LTSB.png)
I have a few Win10 ISOs squirreled away, so I fired up virtualbox for a few tests. I tried installing a few different releases of Win10 directly in a variety of releases, editions and architectures. Then I tried installing Win7 a few times and upgrading via both the Microsoft Media Creation Tool and different Win10 ISOs. Not once was I able to get the "suggested apps" to show up by default. Maybe I just didn't hit that magical setup to make it appear. Or maybe it's no longer enabled due to negative feedback or something.
I have only a three year old tablet, which I use only for reading PDFs — which I copy over via USB stick.It can fit, but you would probably need a usb stick to perform the updates. It's ballooned quite a bit since it was released (as they always do, XP grew to three times it's initial size), I want to say it now needs 31gigs to run normal, but less to run compressed. I don't think it's possible to run on 16gigs at this point and have the latest updates.
I have not got it out of airplane mode for a year or more, and am afraid of what would happen if it started downloading updates. It has "only" 32 GB storage and most of that is used up already.
I guess Microsoft is starting to learn from their mistakes. This is good news.Or just responding to backlash, laws, and learning to hide it better.
I have only a three year old tablet, which I use only for reading PDFs — which I copy over via USB stick.Did some tests with the latest ISO.
I have not got it out of airplane mode for a year or more, and am afraid of what would happen if it started downloading updates. It has "only" 32 GB storage and most of that is used up already.
I have only a three year old tablet, which I use only for reading PDFs — which I copy over via USB stick.Did some tests with the latest ISO.
I have not got it out of airplane mode for a year or more, and am afraid of what would happen if it started downloading updates. It has "only" 32 GB storage and most of that is used up already.
32gigs it installed no problem, but it was left with only about 16.5gigs free. If you've used much of that you will probably need external storage to do major updates.
16gig was left with a pathetic 1gb of space free, so almost nothing can update without external storage. I'm still surprised it even installed.
By the way, you can set your connection as metered and it will not download updates. At least that way you can send your books through email or over the network. I would read the fine print though as it may do it anyway after a while.
Leslie, have u tried them ebay oem keys? they reliable ?OEM keys are fickle, though some sellers seem reputable.
Tp4 haz 10 xtra dollars this week.
By the way, you can set your connection as metered and it will not download updates. At least that way you can send your books through email or over the network. I would read the fine print though as it may do it anyway after a while.
Leslie, have u tried them ebay oem keys? they reliable ?OEM keys are fickle, though some sellers seem reputable.
Tp4 haz 10 xtra dollars this week.
It does create problems though, for one it really annoys MS (a good thing in my book) which could lead to them killing the program, my understanding is these keys are meant for poorer countries. I think the whole thing is BS, it costs what it costs, I don't think it should be super cheap in one place and yet super expensive here. Especially with digital goods. The ironic part is that excessive piracy is what caused this, so maybe we should pirate more and force MS to lower costs here... You laugh, but this is why China pays less for Windows than we do.
I have also seen OEM keys not transfer well. So you may get it cheap, but a mobo upgrade could mean buying another, which is what happened last time I tried moving a legit oem install to a different mobo and from one laptop to another. Even using a key wipe and trying to use the newer key created issues with the install, prompting a fresh install. I spent a whole weekend fighting all of this.
The most frustrating part of all of this is it only inconveniences legit users. I've even seen instances where it was easier to install MacOs on a PC than it was to install Windows.
I don't recommend that unless you really know the effects on what you have. My sync software stopped when I set it to metered.If you use anything like this, beware.
I suggest as an alternative Windows Update Blocker (https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_update_blocker.html) You can use that along with Windows Update Mini Tool (https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/windows-update-minitool.380535/) to regain control over your updates. Note that with WUB enabled, the Microsoft Store also does not work.
Well, it has to be cheaper in other countries, because let's say you make 40,000 usd a year, they charge you 100 usdIt wasn't about how much they could make, but more to do with Microsoft's inability to combat piracy over there.
People in China makes 40,000 yuan, (which is normal). There's no way they can pay 600 yuan for software, you'd get 0x sales.. So 100 yuan / 6 = $16.
Though I'm also reading that these arn't oem keys, they're some other grey market / developer keys..
Well, it has to be cheaper in other countries, because let's say you make 40,000 usd a year, they charge you 100 usdIt wasn't about how much they could make, but more to do with Microsoft's inability to combat piracy over there.
People in China makes 40,000 yuan, (which is normal). There's no way they can pay 600 yuan for software, you'd get 0x sales.. So 100 yuan / 6 = $16.
Though I'm also reading that these arn't oem keys, they're some other grey market / developer keys..
I.P. doesn't exist in China as we know it so there is no legal and illegal copies, it's all the same. This means MS can't break down doors and put people out of business and instead have to compete with the pirates selling on the street corner. While they are making treaties to put some IP laws in place, China has a real habit of only enforcing things when it befits them.
If they are "developer keys" they are probably beta tester keys. My understanding is if you are willing to do so, MS will still give you a free copy, you just have to sign up for the Windows insider Program. I have one, it was what forced me off Windows and onto Linux.
Every nation enforces only what benefits them..Yes, but China tends to take that to an extreme.
Every nation enforces only what benefits them..Yes, but China tends to take that to an extreme.
I don't recommend that unless you really know the effects on what you have. My sync software stopped when I set it to metered.If you use anything like this, beware.
I suggest as an alternative Windows Update Blocker (https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_update_blocker.html) You can use that along with Windows Update Mini Tool (https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/windows-update-minitool.380535/) to regain control over your updates. Note that with WUB enabled, the Microsoft Store also does not work.
I agree with you on not trusting metered, but with any program that blocks or removes anything in Win10, be VERY, VERY careful. MS likes to juggle the registry stuff for things like this, one of the last times I used Win10Privacy I forgot to update it before I ran it. Ms had changed some keys and I completely trashed the install (luckily it was a new install). Make sure if you use this stuff that it's current and there has been no significant updates to windows since that release. You also may need to hold off an update until the patcher gets patched, or deal with the annoyances until it gets updated.
This is the problem with Win10, where before they simply removed some power user tools, this time they are actively fighting you from using actual power user tools to take back control.
Well, it has to be cheaper in other countries, because let's say you make 40,000 usd a year, they charge you 100 usdIt wasn't about how much they could make, but more to do with Microsoft's inability to combat piracy over there.
People in China makes 40,000 yuan, (which is normal). There's no way they can pay 600 yuan for software, you'd get 0x sales.. So 100 yuan / 6 = $16.
Though I'm also reading that these arn't oem keys, they're some other grey market / developer keys..
I.P. doesn't exist in China as we know it so there is no legal and illegal copies, it's all the same. This means MS can't break down doors and put people out of business and instead have to compete with the pirates selling on the street corner. While they are making treaties to put some IP laws in place, China has a real habit of only enforcing things when it befits them.
If they are "developer keys" they are probably beta tester keys. My understanding is if you are willing to do so, MS will still give you a free copy, you just have to sign up for the Windows insider Program. I have one, it was what forced me off Windows and onto Linux.
The first pic the number says it's the RTM copy (initial release), which may or may not have had One note, but nothing else.
Your second pic is also the RTM install, so you have two copies of RTM, but they do not match, my bet is one has been alterred and may not even be Enterprise at all. Editing the registry to look like Enterprise is relatively easy.
Leslie, have u tried them ebay oem keys? they reliable ?
[...] and watch Windows 10 magically appear.
Not necessarily. I get several keys as part of MSDN, and they are true keys, not beta tester keys. It's not permitted to sell them, but they don't really check. It's just a licensing issue.I could have sworn they were locked into beta, maybe that was only for people participating after the release. or it simply changed after I stopped using it. Not ready to burn a key just to test it.
So, Our beloved 'Murica selling weapons to stir up mid-est conflict , installing puppet regimes , 1raq war mainly killing civilians.You're going way, way off topic.
As you can see in the About Windows in the screen shot, it's version 1607 from August 2016.Was it really 2015/1507? jeez. Though it was newer than that.
This would have its origins on MSDN. SHA1: 031ED6ACDC47B8F582C781B039F501D83997A1CF. And you're right, this one isn't Enterprise, it's Enterprise LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch).You are correct, you definitely want LTSB or C not just plain Enterprise to avoid the garbage. You also want to avoid the education variants. Been a while since I dealt with anything but LTSB in terms of enterprise. I forgot they even had as many variants as they do. Blah.
While Microsoft's free Windows 10 push ended in 2016, they never turned off the activation servers. If you have a legally activated copy of Windows 7 or 8 (or even an illegally activated copy for the most part, depending on exactly how you did it), you can still do the upgrade and get a proper Windows 10 license. Grab the Media Creation Tool from the Microsoft website (https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10), run it on your Win 7/8 machine and watch Windows 10 magically appear.This is supposed to only work on OEM installs where others have done the upgrade or your retail copy was upgraded in the past. It shouldn't work on just any Win7 or 8 install, but surprisingly it still does. I guess they realized data harvesting paid better than they thought, that or they REALLY just want to kill Win7 (which they do).
What are recommended speed settings.Go in disable all spying in personalization, disable sounds, disable visual effects you don't need (system settings in the old control panel)... Don't forget to unhide file extensions (this SHOULD be default!). Keep in mind, if you have a decent system, none of those will make a lick of difference in terms of performance. MS doesn't like people meddling and not only will it do little, they will reset a bunch of it next major update.
Not necessarily. I get several keys as part of MSDN, and they are true keys, not beta tester keys. It's not permitted to sell them, but they don't really check. It's just a licensing issue.I could have sworn they were locked into beta, maybe that was only for people participating after the release. or it simply changed after I stopped using it. Not ready to burn a key just to test it.
And the ones that I install from there are pretty bare. Not sure what junk you're getting in your installs.I meant on Home and Pro editions, I did a Win8 Virtualbox install then upgraded it to Win10 to test what DDot said, and this is what I was left with.
UEFI vs Bios..
It doesn't seem to be booting any faster..
What am I doing wrong.
UEFI vs Bios..
It doesn't seem to be booting any faster..
What am I doing wrong.
C'mon TP, you know UEFI is the new standard because kids these days don't know how to use the navigation cluster.
If you manually click Windows Update, you will get BETA updates.
Apparently, a while back Microsoft made a change to Windows Update without telling anyone, well, they did, on a blog post, but nothing mainstream. What changed? If you manually click Windows Update, you will get BETA updates. This is actually not stupid, the system handles updates just fine, and really only needs to be used if you are trying to fix an issue with a normal update, however, this is not how Windows update has ever run in the past, and worse, MS never bothered to tell anyone and that is BS.
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what is the meaning behind this ?
Link?Summary
Link?Summary
https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/650791/careful-windows-10-check-updates-button-may-download-beta-code/
Straight from the horses mouth...
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/12/10/windows-monthly-security-and-quality-updates-overview/#LcV9lITe3UqkOpIC.97
Editor’s note: Edited on 12/14 to clarify that the “C” and “D” monthly releases are validated, production-quality optional releases.
Seems like looking at it they may have realized how it was being taken, and updated it since you first saw it, i.e.That doesn't actually change anything despite how it sounds and frankly just ticks me off even more.QuoteEditor’s note: Edited on 12/14 to clarify that the “C” and “D” monthly releases are validated, production-quality optional releases.
Seems like looking at it they may have realized how it was being taken, and updated it since you first saw it, i.e.That doesn't actually change anything despite how it sounds and frankly just ticks me off even more.QuoteEditor’s note: Edited on 12/14 to clarify that the “C” and “D” monthly releases are validated, production-quality optional releases.
Basically, if you have a weird issue, you can click the button and if you are lucky some "optional" update will fix your problem?
Take for instance the example where they used it to fix the Surface tablets bluescreening, okay, great, but who told you to click the button to get the update? What happens to those without a Surface and click the button? Was it validated safe for them? Why do non surface owners need it? How about all the other updates that came with it that you may not need?
Look, if they wanted this as an optional update to fix a problem I have no problem with it, but it needs to be labeled as such (click me to try and fix your problem). This is Russian Roulette without bothering to tell people they are even playing. Will this fix your problem, will it brick your system? Who knows, but here is a patch labeled as an update we told you nothing about anyway.
They've had optional updates since the whole Windows Updaye became a thing. You have alwats had to look at release notes to see if optiinal updates were something that you wanted to install. Admittedly, this is a bit less granular, i. e. you install the whole optional update package or nothing, but they are updates that most will not need.
you know UEFI is the new standard because kids these days don't know how to use the navigation cluster.
Needed to use a laptop with Win10 on it so that I could install LineageOS on my Mom's Tab 3 10.1" 3g (rooting software, etc.).
(..had to install the earliest version of gapps 7.1 <2017-08-29> but worked beautifully once that was sorted. Haven't had a complaint yet, so it must be working fine.).
I feel for anyone running win10 home with a single 5400rpm HDD. I'd set-up updates for as late as possible and never turn the damn PC off :confused:.
I really like the aesthetic of the OS and integration with iOS.Mac users often talk about this, but honestly, it's not nearly as great as they think it is and is far worse than outsiders think.
I really like the aesthetic of the OS and integration with iOS.Mac users often talk about this, but honestly, it's not nearly as great as they think it is and is far worse than outsiders think.
While it works fine, using OSX feels very clunky. It hasn't scaled well with technology (newer hardware bring expected increased speeds compared to Linux and Windows) and while the interface looks great, it was designed to be simple and look great sitting in a store or on a desk. If you're a person who has 3 or more things running at once, the interface quickly looses it's appeal, especially on a desktop with multiple screens and a mouse. In such a use case, the OS has more in common with XP than the slick functionality people rave about.
That said, if done right, a Hackintosh works perfectly fine, so well in fact that many Mac power users are building them instead of buying Apple computers, at least on the desktop. If you want a mac laptop, buy an Apple product, though I hesitate to recommend any Apple computer currently being sold.
A bit more polish... as if Microsoft hasn't had enough time to figure this crap out.
I really like the aesthetic of the OS and integration with iOS.Mac users often talk about this, but honestly, it's not nearly as great as they think it is and is far worse than outsiders think.
While it works fine, using OSX feels very clunky. It hasn't scaled well with technology (newer hardware bring expected increased speeds compared to Linux and Windows) and while the interface looks great, it was designed to be simple and look great sitting in a store or on a desk. If you're a person who has 3 or more things running at once, the interface quickly looses it's appeal, especially on a desktop with multiple screens and a mouse. In such a use case, the OS has more in common with XP than the slick functionality people rave about.
That said, if done right, a Hackintosh works perfectly fine, so well in fact that many Mac power users are building them instead of buying Apple computers, at least on the desktop. If you want a mac laptop, buy an Apple product, though I hesitate to recommend any Apple computer currently being sold.
A bit more polish... as if Microsoft hasn't had enough time to figure this crap out.Apple has had a teensy bit longer.
Also, Madvr doesn't work on OSX..Not sure what you're on about here, I've never had a problem playing something on OSX using VLC.
So... that basically means one can't watch movies on OSX
Not sure what you're on about here, I've never had a problem playing something on OSX using VLC.
You can do just about anything in Mac as you can in Windows, you just may have to pay a bit more for it. Mac is extremely capitalistic, often bordering on highway robbery.
A bit more polish... as if Microsoft hasn't had enough time to figure this crap out.Apple has had a teensy bit longer.Also, Madvr doesn't work on OSX..Not sure what you're on about here, I've never had a problem playing something on OSX using VLC.
So... that basically means one can't watch movies on OSX
You can do just about anything in Mac as you can in Windows, you just may have to pay a bit more for it. Mac is extremely capitalistic, often bordering on highway robbery.
Madvr is currently the only playback block which offers full 1D + 3DLut color correction.Considering most of what we watch on a computer is compressed, that's not exactly a consideration for most people.
OSX will give you a picture, but that picture is wrong.. and the OS itself only accepts 1D correction (white point, gamma and grey), but NO Gamut correction.
Only color managed applications such as Madvr+Mpc can reproduce Movies as intended..
Question for those of you who seem to know where all the settings are on Win10. Is there an easy way to have focus follow the mouse cursor? I'd like to have the behaviour on my Windows machines match my linux, where the focus follows the mouse cursor, but the focused window is not necessarily brought to the foreground. I'd be interested in the former even if the latter isn't possible.
Question for those of you who seem to know where all the settings are on Win10. Is there an easy way to have focus follow the mouse cursor? I'd like to have the behaviour on my Windows machines match my linux, where the focus follows the mouse cursor, but the focused window is not necessarily brought to the foreground. I'd be interested in the former even if the latter isn't possible.
Try X-Mouse Controls: https://joelpurra.com/projects/X-Mouse_Controls/ It's probably about the closest you're going to get.
I know that there were tweaks in windows 8, but not sure that they work in 10.
https://winaero.com/blog/turn-on-xmouse-active-window-tracking-focus-follows-mouse-pointer-feature-in-windows-8-1-windows-8-and-windows-7/
I really like the aesthetic of the OS and integration with iOS.Mac users often talk about this, but honestly, it's not nearly as great as they think it is and is far worse than outsiders think.
While it works fine, using OSX feels very clunky. It hasn't scaled well with technology (newer hardware bring expected increased speeds compared to Linux and Windows) and while the interface looks great, it was designed to be simple and look great sitting in a store or on a desk. If you're a person who has 3 or more things running at once, the interface quickly looses it's appeal, especially on a desktop with multiple screens and a mouse. In such a use case, the OS has more in common with XP than the slick functionality people rave about.
That said, if done right, a Hackintosh works perfectly fine, so well in fact that many Mac power users are building them instead of buying Apple computers, at least on the desktop. If you want a mac laptop, buy an Apple product, though I hesitate to recommend any Apple computer currently being sold.
I usually have a dozen things running at once on two monitors at work under macOS Mojave (the latest). Works well for me.Depending how how you set it up, video can't play across both screens, changing to where it does, causes conflicts with something else... I forget what.
The only problem is the occasional app that starts on the "wrong" monitor. Most apps you can specify you want to start on a specific monitor, a few I have not, such as Finder. If I have focus on a window on the second monitor and start Finder, it will start on the second monitor, which is generally not what I want. So Cmd-W (close window), click on main screen, Click Finder, all is good.
Question for those of you who seem to know where all the settings are on Win10. Is there an easy way to have focus follow the mouse cursor? I'd like to have the behaviour on my Windows machines match my linux, where the focus follows the mouse cursor, but the focused window is not necessarily brought to the foreground. I'd be interested in the former even if the latter isn't possible.
Try X-Mouse Controls: https://joelpurra.com/projects/X-Mouse_Controls/ It's probably about the closest you're going to get.
I know that there were tweaks in windows 8, but not sure that they work in 10.
https://winaero.com/blog/turn-on-xmouse-active-window-tracking-focus-follows-mouse-pointer-feature-in-windows-8-1-windows-8-and-windows-7/
I'd like to have the behaviour on my Windows machines match my linux, where the focus follows the mouse cursor, but the focused window is not necessarily brought to the foreground.
I usually have a dozen things running at once on two monitors at work under macOS Mojave (the latest). Works well for me.Depending how how you set it up, video can't play across both screens, changing to where it does, causes conflicts with something else... I forget what.
The only problem is the occasional app that starts on the "wrong" monitor. Most apps you can specify you want to start on a specific monitor, a few I have not, such as Finder. If I have focus on a window on the second monitor and start Finder, it will start on the second monitor, which is generally not what I want. So Cmd-W (close window), click on main screen, Click Finder, all is good.
You also can't have the dock on both, getting it to move across is a joke.
Switching tasks is fine, if you use the keyboard, but trying to switch using the mouse can mean crossing between windows or forcing the dock to popup on that screen... Also the dock hides, which can get in the way, or not come up as you need it, or it takes up part of the screen... Or if I am on the second screen and want to launch something, again, chasing the dock. I just feel like I'm always chasing the darn thing so I can do something. And then there is how things continue to run in the background, I get that it is very good with memory, but I'm better. Just close? But again, I'm chasing the dock to locate it to shut it down.
Moving Dock from one screen to another is also trivial - just pull the mouse down at the bottom of the monitor where you want the Dock to appear. A Dock split across two or more monitors would not work very well - the gap between the monitors would get in the way of Dock animations, although you can disable those too. The same Dock appearing on each monitor? I prefer the second monitor without Dock, then I have slightly more vertical space to arrange windows.I tend to use each screen as a different workspace, keeping them relatively isolated from each other.
I'd like to have the behaviour on my Windows machines match my linux, where the focus follows the mouse cursor, but the focused window is not necessarily brought to the foreground.
Note that the biggest annoyance in this regard, scrolling in inactive windows, has been fixed in Windows 10 itself.
Well, as expected, Win10 has now exceeded Win7 installs...It's all downhill from here for Win7.
Nah... 10 more years.. easily..I had a customer a few years ago who still had a Windows 98 machine running her contact list, so it's possible but I think you underestimate how badly manufacturers want Win7 to die.
The only upside of windows 10 that I experienced is that people start to publish and maintain powershell scripts to tame that beast, like this one here:While tweak tools are great, the difference in Win10 is that MS resets all of this every major updates and relocates where the tweaks reside. Yes, you can just re-run the script once it updates to match, but you are chasing updates.
https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script
While tweak tools are great, the difference in Win10 is that MS resets all of this every major updates and relocates where the tweaks reside. Yes, you can just re-run the script once it updates to match, but you are chasing updates.
Something I learned the hard way was that if you forget to update the script before running it you can brick the system. Luckily it was a fresh install and I had the customers data backed up, but it still made for a long night.
have too little $ to buy proper Mac, and i'm tired of dualbooting linux. If i had alternative i'd probably be on something else, like Manjaro or Arch. Too little free time, too much stuff to do :(Very few Apple are worth the money anyhow, so no loss.
have too little $ to buy proper Mac, and i'm tired of dualbooting linux. If i had alternative i'd probably be on something else, like Manjaro or Arch. Too little free time, too much stuff to do :(Very few Apple are worth the money anyhow, so no loss.
As for dual booting, i agree, it's a hassle, and worse, isn't the same as using a single OS despite how it seems. Yes, it functions as a sole OS, however when you dual boot you are way too eager to just pop back into whichever OS you are most familiar with every time you get stuck on something instead of taking the time to figure out how to do it on the other OS. Just switch and be done with it.
without ever the need for having to repeat input.
Mint is a security problem (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/10/systemd_bugs_qualys/) though.
Maybe it's the versions I'm using, but I keep on having to click or press a key during logon for the password prompt to appear. This is driving me crazy. I'm used to just slamming the pass in on every linux distro I use, maybe with the exception of Manjaro+Gnome that can lag to hell.Sounds like the display manager (in this case probably GDM) causing this. There is probably an option to change that.
Also, I'm absolutely bugged out by how Windows tool/app devs treat their source code. There is plenty of useful tools for Windows tweaking, labeled as opensource, but you have to PM the dev on some weird forum to get a glimpse of it. Or believe a random guy on Reddit. Or, you have a link from 3 years ago to source that got outdated. Or you get a Github/Gitlab account with an opensource script that calls a bunch of .exe files. The community mindset seems to be that if it works, it's legit. The dev mindset is TRUST ME BRO ITS 100% легит, NO VIRUS.
Example: install_wim_tweak.exe from https://github.com/adolfintel/Windows10-Privacy . Search for that one.
and good use of space.It is by far the most bloated OS you can use today, and that was before they announced the new 7GB space grab.*
I'd say that even though my KDE/Plasma experience has been limited to a solid week of testing, I've already noticed significant polish/UI upgrades in comparison to my Win10 experience (same hardware). Never thought I'd say that that.It's surprisingly good.
and good use of space.It is by far the most bloated OS you can use today, and that was before they announced the new 7GB space grab.*
*Win10 is now going to reserve an extra 7 gigs to make sure updates actually install. Why they were not checking for drive space requirements before installing patches before, I have no idea, but apparently they were not and updates were failing. Good luck to anyone running Win10 on a 32gig ssd.
After dealing with Win10 and how fragile it can be (I've killed it more than a few times), I don't install anything on my system or customer systems without testing it in a VM first to check for crashing and secondary installs, then hit it with an AV scan and sometimes a firewall check as well. I don't trust the Win10 ecosystem at all.
I've reached a point now where I pretty much won't install anything on Windows I have not tested before without running it in a virtual system
I should have been more clear, I was thinking of good use of screen space when I said that. Not all that different from Xfce, mind you, but much better than Apple's seemingly near-random windows floating around. Not sure how many people are using 32 GB drives these days but you're right.That makes more sense, and yeah, it's pretty good on that front.
I'm sure your experience with it is far more thorough and advanced than mine. Having said that, I've pretty much never had an issue with anything with semi-advanced consumer use.
By comparison, I've had such stupid stuff go wrong with macOS these days. I tried upgrading from El Capitan to High Sierra on one of our MacBook Pros, and it required the drive to be formatted in APFS... only, once it formatted APFS it couldn't use it because the firmware had not yet been updated to support APFS, which happens apparently when you install High Sierra. To make things worse, the disk tool wouldn't reformat the drive at all in any sense (other than to reformat APFS), so I had to remove the drive and mount it on my Windows desktop to reformat it and try again. I'm having a heck of a time just getting the thing going, with even the internet restore not working. Such simple things shouldn't be such trouble, but alas, this is the state of computing in 2019 it would seem. :-X
and good use of space.It is by far the most bloated OS you can use today, and that was before they announced the new 7GB space grab.*
*Win10 is now going to reserve an extra 7 gigs to make sure updates actually install. Why they were not checking for drive space requirements before installing patches before, I have no idea, but apparently they were not and updates were failing. Good luck to anyone running Win10 on a 32gig ssd.I'd say that even though my KDE/Plasma experience has been limited to a solid week of testing, I've already noticed significant polish/UI upgrades in comparison to my Win10 experience (same hardware). Never thought I'd say that that.It's surprisingly good.
Theme options could be better, maybe a bit faster to boot up, but otherwise, yeah, I'm liking it. More stable than Gnome and Cinnamon was for me.
Boot time wasn't that bad once I switched to LTS.It's not bad, just a bit slower. I think mine slowed about 2 seconds going from Cinnamon to KDE.
The keyboards suck.The older keyboards were pretty good, their quest for thinner and thinner was their downfall. We've passed the point of practicality.
The reliability is abysmal (20% failure rate on the fleet I manage for work).
No touch screens.
The fact apps are still running and using resources even when you click the close button is wrong.
The disregard for backward compatibility sucks.
Desktop Linux is still a **** show with more bugs in it than a motorcyclist's mustache, but functionally it's 90% of the way there and the stupid bugs and permanent beta software are fixable.As you have found, you have to pick your trade-offs with every OS.
I'm sure your experience with it is far more thorough and advanced than mine. Having said that, I've pretty much never had an issue with anything with semi-advanced consumer use.
By comparison, I've had such stupid stuff go wrong with macOS these days. I tried upgrading from El Capitan to High Sierra on one of our MacBook Pros, and it required the drive to be formatted in APFS... only, once it formatted APFS it couldn't use it because the firmware had not yet been updated to support APFS, which happens apparently when you install High Sierra. To make things worse, the disk tool wouldn't reformat the drive at all in any sense (other than to reformat APFS), so I had to remove the drive and mount it on my Windows desktop to reformat it and try again. I'm having a heck of a time just getting the thing going, with even the internet restore not working. Such simple things shouldn't be such trouble, but alas, this is the state of computing in 2019 it would seem. :-X
It's probably safe to say at this point that you've used Win10 way more than I have.
The only time I use Win10 is either setting up a new system or when it has issues, my customers have only managed to escaped a couple high profile issues. I have a laptop or two with Win10, but I mostly keep them in case I need to walk someone through a problem over the phone or experimentation, they aren't used otherwise.
Kind of surprised at the Mac, then again, I've thought for a while Apple has let it fall into disrepair. I don't care what Apple says, I give it 2-3 years before everything is basically an Ipad Pro.
My advice, format it with Linux, it can often fix Mac drive problems, if that fails, use a Windows install disk, that will guaranteed redo all the partitions on it (seriously, Windows is a virus!). Then go download an installer for Macos and install from a thumbdrive. However... Before you do any of that, put it back in Windows or Linux and check the S.M.A.R.T. data, you may have a drive that is failing and Mac is just unable to communicate that to you. Diagnostics are something Apple fails at miserably.
Windows? I haven't heard that operating system in years..
Yes it was installed by default on my laptop, so I didn't decide to put another OS while it on warrantyLive dangerously!
But tbh, I personally like win7 and run it on my main PC
Currently using Win10 on my work laptop. SOOOO tempted to install something else on it.Yes it was installed by default on my laptop, so I didn't decide to put another OS while it on warrantyLive dangerously!
But tbh, I personally like win7 and run it on my main PC
You can image it and restore it later if you need service. Done it before.
Many manufacturers also will not hassle you over this, but more importantly, in most countries (including the US) it's illegal to deny warranty service for such a thing so long as it did not contribute to the problem.
Currently using Win10 on my work laptop. SOOOO tempted to install something else on it.What programs, even if not exact, there are often compatible equivalents and you can use Wine or VM for others.
I am just worried the programs we use at work won't be available on Linux.
If you need WINE, you need Windows.10 years ago you would be almost completely right.
Even today, the only reason to use WINE is to be able to use Windows applications. If your operating system requires a not-quite-emulator to run good applications, your operating system might be the wrong one for you."good applications"? You're either trolling or ignorant of what's out there.
Well the main one is FirstClass for work.Currently using Win10 on my work laptop. SOOOO tempted to install something else on it.What programs, even if not exact, there are often compatible equivalents and you can use Wine or VM for others.
I am just worried the programs we use at work won't be available on Linux.
I dislike Photoshop as well, I usually use Paint.NET. But even that has no good Linux alternative.Pinta is similar to Paint.net.
If there is good native Linux software, why do you want to run Windows software on it?
Well the main one is FirstClass for work.If you mean the educational program, they have native Mac, Linux, Ios and Android clients.
I don't know if it'll run in wine or playonlinux, but there's only one way of finding out I'm afraid.
If I had a choice I'd choose Windows in a VM over Wine--especially for cloud type things like Adobe suite or Autodesk. Proton is a great start, but Wine ain't what the people want.I start with Wine, then work my way down through the options with a VM being the last choice, simply because it's a more native and less intrusive approach.
Pinta looks not un-interesting. I might try it one day, thank you.You're welcome.
Well the main one is FirstClass for work.If you mean the educational program, they have native Mac, Linux, Ios and Android clients.
I don't know if it'll run in wine or playonlinux, but there's only one way of finding out I'm afraid.
As for testing, you can run Virtualbox, install Linux, then install the client into that.If I had a choice I'd choose Windows in a VM over Wine--especially for cloud type things like Adobe suite or Autodesk. Proton is a great start, but Wine ain't what the people want.I start with Wine, then work my way down through the options with a VM being the last choice, simply because it's a more native and less intrusive approach.
Proton/Lutris and PlayonLinux are all using Wine as a base, as is Crossover.
10 years ago you would be almost completely right.
5 years ago, mostly right.
Today, that's almost completely wrong.
Quite a lot of top tier games are now running on it (Far Cry 5, BF5, Fortnite, Falllout76...) and I have Photoshop and Illustrator running just fine on Playonlinux. Some older games even run better in Linux than in Windows. Only time I need Windows is for CAD, but even that has some workarounds.
I'm not saying it's always easy, but it can be done and it's getting faster, easier and more competent all the time.
Sure winetricks is fantastic for one game or program--more than one and my wine bottles (prefixes) become a tangled spaghetti mess.I try to limit how much I need any of them for that very reason.
It's a bit unfortunate, in engineering (at least in my disciplines), there's actually quite a bit of software that's both Windows and Linux, but there's enough that's one or the other to be a bit of a pain trying to just use one. It ends up being easier to run Windows as base and Linux as VM/remote client, though that's not how I'd like it ideally.Engineering, at least for cad/cam has been a mess for a long time from a software and hardware standpoint. Too many old machines/people/software trying to work with newer standards.
Can I ask, do you know of any reliable remote desktop client for Linux to access Windows RDP server? I know MS makes a RDP for Mac but I haven't been able to find one for Linux that works for these Windows servers (which I don't have any control or say over).
As far as Linux native games, I wouldn't hold your breath, however if rumors are to be believed it may not matter. In the meantime, Lutris is doing quite well.Using Ubuntu on my main default boot disk here. Steam means i have most of my AAA games library available directly. Yeah there are still windows exclusives but i can do without them as the linux offer has been plenty enough for some time now.
I have to use windows 10 because most video games are supported
I use windows 10 because its the only way to play ALL my gamesFixed that for you.
I use windows 10 because its the only way to play ALL my gamesFixed that for you.
A lot now runs on Steam/Proton, just not everything.
Running Borderlands 2 and World of Warships through this was as easy to install as it was on Windows.
And, fortunately, I am not a gamer.
"Recommend RTX 2070 Super"
Broke Sintpinty obviously cannot afford it
I held onto both 98 and XP for a long time after the new versions came out, and still haven't decided whether Windows peaked with XP or 7.
I use 8.1 just fine. Not planning to upgrade to 10 until 8.1 updates are EOL'd.It's already being EOL'd by companies, AMD no longer offers new Radeon drivers for Win8. You can get Win7 or Win10, but not Win8 and no, you cannot use the 7 or 10 drivers, I tried. There are however driver tools that can locate newer ones that still work, but the ones from AMD will not. This is because the Windows 8 user count is actually less than Linux users.
And once again the further you go back, the worse it gets.
It's already being EOL'd by companies, AMD no longer offers new Radeon drivers for Win8.
And why wait for EOL? You are fighting a losing battle. The only difference is when and if you will have to pay for it.
Anything xp or later needs it, so you need pre Winxp and pre Office Xp (also called 2003).
95-2k needs a key but no activation.
Getting around activation is pretty easy though.
Already outlined some of the reasons why I'm not using it, I have an entire text file and directory of W10 issues I keep track of. There's no battle to be had. Meanwhile on a weekly to monthly basis I come across new ways W10 has affected users negatively, from both devs and regular users.
What makes you think that's going to change in the future? Win8 will go EOL and then what? You finally switch? Now you are stuck trying to figure out how to deal with a new OS and you're several years behind the curve. What others think of as common knowledge you're scratching your head trying to figure out.
By the way, telemetry was installed through security patches and in rollups. You won't see any new services because it piggybacks existing systems such as the driver update system making it very difficult to see. Not only is it hidden, but it is on a system not intended to be secure so it installs with the defaults and you have zero control over it.
With W10 I'm already keeping a record of a variety of version-specific and broader OS issues that are reported by users and in the news (partly out of amusement, partly for reference), which is more than can be said of many and particularly more of a problem for W7 users upgrading. Of course if I did happen to run into any unexpected issues following an upgrade in years to come I'd investigate it, as I'd expect most reasonable users would.
I'm not here to defend Win10 and I don't think you're actually interested in the rest, here's why.
Your list is (mostly) pointless and is a self fulfilling prophesy.
The problems are always changing as is the solutions, last version problem notes are almost always useless on the latest and all it's doing is giving you more and more reasons to never switch to it. Your list is your reason to never switch. You're not waiting for EOL (keep telling yourself that), you're simply waiting until you are forced to do it, and when it happens it will be unexpected, and it will suck. Odds are you won't experience any of the issues you have written down but if you do it will be something just coming down the pipe and not on your list. And yes, I realize that's not confidence inspiring but it's better than it happening in the middle of a forced upgrade because of a hardware failure. Now you're dealing with a new hardware, a new problem and a new OS at the same time.
I don't think you're actually interested in the rest, here's why. Your list is (mostly) pointless and is a self fulfilling prophesy.
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Wat does LLnn recommend for Totes-Incognito setup ??Total incognito?
I mean, I can see how you might come away with that impression but the argument seems to boil down to 'better jump in now than later' but admittedly without a compelling reason other than seemingly exaggerating the difficulty of upgrading 8.1 to an OS that's fundamentally based upon it anyway (and to someone who spent far more time than necessary researching prior to the last OS jump, as mentioned), should I be forced to following some hypothetical, irrecoverable hardware failure and where W10 is apparently the only OS possible to use for the rebuild (must have been a pretty grave system failure :) ).
As for documenting details about W10 it allows one to see the directions the OS has taken over time. It's categorized and not limited just to bugs. Though in regards to bugs if we look at a particularly egregious example from the end of last year, the Documents wiping bug, I would have been affected had I used the OS since the specific criteria that triggered it I happen to meet (using a directory named 'Documents' in the root user directory that isn't assigned as the OS designated Documents location since I use that as a honeypot).
Several users within different communities I'm part of have had their system or data borked from updates, with one I know who lost some of their work due to it, including something they were making for that community. I have daily backups so such scenarios wouldn't have been as severe a setback for me as they have been for others but it's hardly minor or even that uncommon to see updates impacting users' trust like that.Those communities are just reinforcing your reasons, I've also seen and lost data as well as an expensive ssd to it (thanks MS!).
Btw would still be interested in the entirely hidden telemetry backports if you have more details. The German government commissioned an investigation into W10's telemetry (since they needed to understand it by law) and through a deep dive identified which aspects of the OS handle it, which were the same things found in backported telemetry for previous Windows versions but perhaps there's something else that's worth looking into.Telemetry is not a new service, it's built into existing systems.
I did not exaggerate the problem you read it as me exaggerating it, it's a matter of ease. You know your system, you know it works, now is the best time to do an OS upgrade.
As for hardware failure, upgrades happen, power spikes happen, motherboards fail. You exactly can't go buy a brand new 4th gen Intel motherboard down the street.
It's not really your choice long term companies are already cutting 7 and 8 support. I guess what I'm really saying is get with it, or leave Windows because what you want to do is unsustainable.
You are collecting a list of problems, current or not, when the time comes your first excuse will be "it's fine for now why ditch Win8". Then as time goes on you will resort more and more to your list and the fact that "it works fine as it is". You may have started with the right intentions, but we are now 4 years into Windows 10 it's time to sh*t or get off the pot.
Those communities are just reinforcing your reasons, I've also seen and lost data as well as an expensive ssd to it (thanks MS!).
I won't say it can't happen, it does. This is the new normal. Is it right? Nope, but it is the new norm.
Telemetry is not a new service, it's built into existing systems. A good example is drivers, if you block enough of telemetry, Windows cannot even look for drivers when you attach a new device. So if you're looking for a new entry in services or task manager it's not there.
This is exactly what happened to me when I did this on Win10. It's known that many security updates had it included without notifying users that it carried that payload. So while some said they were for telemetry, some were actual security updates but included that along with it. I have a list of them somewhere, some are easy to figure out, others less so, same with their deviousness.
Also, the backported telemetry lacks even the rudimentary controls that Win10 has. You have zero control over it, though to be fair the controls for privacy in Win10 are mostly there to make you feel like you have control (door close buttons on elevators are the same).
If I actually had ongoing issues with my OS then naturally I'd be looking at more immediate alternatives rather than looking over some list and trying to convince myself in some cyclical, desperate scenario as you're describing, come on now. I mean, doesn't seem difficult to see how if something is stable and suitable for purpose and foreseeable drawbacks are mitigated one would prefer sticking to something that runs well as-is while they have the opportunity, than migrating to an OS with widely known drawbacks and for my uses very few advantages. Obviously you feel differently about the advantages it brings for your uses compared to the downsides otherwise we wouldn't be having all these verbose replies :pWhat alternatives? You either leave Windows or go to Win10. That's pretty much it.
It's also not entire communities such impressions are coming from, it's users like you and me in addition to devs who I've interacted with encountering both lesser and also non-trivial issues with the OS to a frequency/degree not experienced in the prior couple Windows versions (along with a mix of users praising W10, ironically occasionally for things introduced in W8 which some skipped). Perhaps the net outcome is more users looking into fallback solutions like backups and such but I've also seen how it has leads to various frustrations and trepidation.
I'm not some dyed-in-the-wool fanboy but it nevertheless has been a decent OS. If I had W10 dialed in suitably and feedback improved broadly about the state of its update QC then it'd be a no-brainer switch for the most part.Are you sure about this?
On W8.1 I haven't experienced issues installing drivers or updates with the known aspects of backported W10 telemetry disabled.Disabled or uninstalled?
What alternatives? You either leave Windows or go to Win10. That's pretty much it.
I have said repeatedly, I left Windows entirely so Win10 doesn't bring me any advantage (economically it's a disadvantage). Early on, yes the idea was to not use it but we are now 4 years in, Win10, is a "mature" Os. If you think companies and users rallying together are going to push MS to fix what's wrong, you are dead wrong, we tried, it didn't work.
Are you sure about this? As a tech, even I start to wonder when I see Win7 or 8 at this point. I'm not alone in this.
*as for the verbose replies, advising people on OS choice is kind of habit due to my job.
I'd hazard a guess that some of what is driving your replies is dealing with others for whom their setup and the software they use is more currently affected or limited by the OS version they use and so you're coming at it from that perspective, perhaps having been frustrated with some other dialog you've experienced which I can be sympathetic with. Maybe we can leave this discussion until my arrangement becomes less viable and go from there :)Very possible, my job is to try and future proof an "investment".
Game Mode? WHY IS THIS GARBAGE ON BY DEFAULT?!? and it keeps trying to make Edge my default browser, I've set it to FF 3x now.Have tool change it in settings, not just the popup.
I use Windows 10 on my main workstation primarily because of Games, however I'm flirting more and more with Proton on Steam, which may be the final nail in the coffin for me.
My job requires that I support a couple hundred Windows machines, so I doubt I'll ever be completely out of the Windows world, and unless it ever becomes a minority OS, probably wouldn't want to be.
However every other machine I own is a Linux or Unix machine: I run 5 Ubuntu Computers for various host, Virtual Machines, and servers, and a Mac Pro 5,1 that I got for a deal and use nearly daily.
Ironically my workstation at Work is on Ubuntu, and I manage Windows through VMs there or via built in tools depending on what it is.
My dream is to someday be Linux/Unix entirely, but practicality for me demands otherwise, someday though.
I literally just upgraded to 10 from 7 last night and am not happy at all. It's drastically slower on boot, starting up any app, and loading folders in Windows takes ages.
Absolutely awful, I hate it and the new Start menu design is total ****. Performance is complete garbage next to 7. And on top of all that it disassociated like 70% of my icons across all non-main folders randomly with their file paths, no rhyme or reason just whatever random files it felt like changing to blank tiles.
It's constantly running in the bg doing ****ING NOTHING! WHAT ARE YOU DOING WINDOWS? STOP!
Did you do an upgrade install? Those never go well, or at least never had in my experience. Significantly slower in use than a wipe and fresh install of Windows 10.The Win10 upgrade is not the same as Win7 or 8 upgrades and it has changed since initial release.
With fresh installs, Windows 7 is actually the slug of the most recent M$ Windows iterations in my experience. Much slower than 10 and 8 on the same hardware.I think quite a few would disagree with you, many are starting to think Win10 is getting a bit bloated and slowing down.
Another important/useful thing is that Both Windows 8 and 10 boot substantially faster than 7 when installed correctly in UEFI mode, especially when an SSD is involved. I have noticed that it is even faster than Windows XP to boot on the same hardware, faster than most, if not all, minimal Linux distros I have tried that has a window manager.8 and 10 boot faster because they are not actually booting.
There's no other reasonable operating system for gaming, M$ (of course) axed Directx on everything prior to it, and game support on just about everything else is horrendous (Linux seemed to be on the rise until Valve seemed to waffle on SteamOS). If not for this, I might use Linux more commonly than Windows.Valve dropped SteamOS because it's not needed, Proton and DXVK work fantastic.
So you do have a Mac Pro, hopefully not on the poor desk. Those 4.1/5.1 Macs are boat anchors, well-built, entirely too interesting boat anchors for being made by Apple.
So you do have a Mac Pro, hopefully not on the poor desk. Those 4.1/5.1 Macs are boat anchors, well-built, entirely too interesting boat anchors for being made by Apple.
I wish I could fit it on the desk! It's in my other room, and I remote into it and do most of my work on it that way. It conveniently also lets me use the same keyboards as I do for my windows machine.
I'm rather happy about the new Mac Pro, but probably not going to buy one until they are far over the horizon, as that way I'd be able to afford them. I just want a PC like Mac with upgradeability, but Apple isn't so interested.
Unfortunately when this system fails, it's bad, like when it purged user files not stored in One Drive or somehow copies over infected files.
That said, I'm with you, fresh install every time. Better to know what you are working with.
I think quite a few would disagree with you, many are starting to think Win10 is getting a bit bloated and slowing down.
8 and 10 boot faster because they are not actually booting.
Both by default use fastboot, not not to be confused with bios fast boot. It's using a tweaked standby and not actually shutting
down.
If you want to see an actual cold boot you need either disable fastboot or hold shift the follow the prompts to shut down, this will allow you to actually shut down/restart without it cheating. It's not fair compare the modified standby on Win8/10 to a cold boot on Win7 or Linux install.
Valve dropped SteamOS because it's not needed, Proton and DXVK work fantastic.
Between Steam Proton and Lutris there is very little you can't play with the only real hangup being anti-cheat software. You can even get Fusion 360 (Cad) running this way.
It's impressive how far it's come in the last year or two.
Many (all? hopefully?) would be right that Windows 10 is getting bloated and slowing down, just like what happens with every M$ operating system during its supported service life. It is still faster for me than even Windows 7 when I was first trying it in beta, and we both know that the vast majority of people that are running it are running M$' early botched, unsolicited upgrade installs from 7/8, because they don't know any better.Win10 doesn't suffer age related slowdowns like past systems because every major update (quarterly) it performs a reinstall. It's getting slower due to changes being made to it making it grow. Scary to think how bad it would run without those re-installs.
Installing the operating system in BIOS/Legacy mode turns it into molasses though, just like Windows 7. I have seen this across dozens of various computers up to at least 10 years old,
So Proton is just Valve playing with Wine? I hadn't heard of DXVK, that's all interesting and all, and I may look into it, but how do the frames most often compare to the same hardware running native Windows?It's a little slower, it's not perfect, but most stuff is playable, especially if you have a decent system to start with.
Win10 doesn't suffer age related slowdowns like past systems because every major update (quarterly) it performs a reinstall. It's getting slower due to changes being made to it making it grow. Scary to think how bad it would run without those re-installs.
I'm not so sure Win10 was faster than 7 given fresh installs, but it only took a single bad driver or pretty much just installing Chrome to make 7 slow down enough for 10 to catch up.
There's the rub, Win7 didn't natively support GPT disks and efi, it was a hack to make it work.
10 was designed for EFI but only supports MBR/Bios grudgingly.
Not sure why you think an 06 Macbook (Core2duo) wouldn't run Win10.
It's a little slower, it's not perfect, but most stuff is playable, especially if you have a decent system to start with.
Other people are also playing with VM and GPU passthrough, this looks interesting, but meh. Seems like a lot of hassle, most of the time you install Steam, tell it to use Proton for Windows games and click install. Works just like on Windows.
Lutris is a bit more complex, but capable of even more than Steam/Proton.
Watching my roommate struggle with this bug that won't allow him to reboot or shutdown through Windows, he has to do a hard reset.
MS calls it a 'bug' when we all know it's to frustrate 7 users into making the switch. Why would something like that crop up this far down the road with so much knowledge that's out there about 7? At least TRY to make it less obvious MS.
Watching my roommate struggle with this bug that won't allow him to reboot or shutdown through Windows, he has to do a hard reset.There is word now that it's actually an Adobe service causing the issue.
MS calls it a 'bug' when we all know it's to frustrate 7 users into making the switch. Why would something like that crop up this far down the road with so much knowledge that's out there about 7? At least TRY to make it less obvious MS.
Watching my roommate struggle with this bug that won't allow him to reboot or shutdown through Windows, he has to do a hard reset.There is word now that it's actually an Adobe service causing the issue.
MS calls it a 'bug' when we all know it's to frustrate 7 users into making the switch. Why would something like that crop up this far down the road with so much knowledge that's out there about 7? At least TRY to make it less obvious MS.
Since this sprang up after MS all but stopped releasing updates, my money is that Adobe is actually the problem here. Which if you've worked in the industry isn't the least bit surprising.
(trimmed)Expect a call very soon about that computer saying it's either still installing updates or it's stuck in a boot loop. Considering this is a necessary system used only occasionally I HIGHLY recommend you do one of three things, disable updates by any means necessary, rebuild it or replace it. Do it while it's down, NOT when it's an emergency and people are waiting on paychecks. Mark my words, it will happen and if you try and do it prior to failure your boss will probably try and buy time with "well it can wait until next quarter" you can bet it will fail the month before causing all sorts of hell and it will fall on your shoulders to fix it and you may even get blamed for saying anything.
Our office has very limited (VERY!) bandwidth and botting up that machine will usually result in the whole network slowing down for hours. So whenever the clerk plans to visit the next day, I get a call in the evening before and switch on that machine before I leave, so it has the whole night to update.
Everyone hates that machine with a certain passion.
At home, I struggled to set up a Win7 dualboot system with my Ubuntu already installed. Not going into details, Win7 would only boot with all the other Harddrives disconnected.
So far, I found about a gazillion things to disable with still more to go, but the system works rather well, no unwanted crashes and no speed issues.
I'd have imagined it a lot worse, especially since that machine at work is acting up that much, but that was an old Win7 that was clogged with software for a million things while my install at home was a virgin Win 7 with absolutely nothing installed.
Watching my roommate struggle with this bug that won't allow him to reboot or shutdown through Windows, he has to do a hard reset.
MS calls it a 'bug' when we all know it's to frustrate 7 users into making the switch. Why would something like that crop up this far down the road with so much knowledge that's out there about 7? At least TRY to make it less obvious MS.
There is word now that it's actually an Adobe service causing the issue.
Since this sprang up after MS all but stopped releasing updates, my money is that Adobe is actually the problem here. Which if you've worked in the industry isn't the least bit surprising.
HECK no. I value my privacy.
I don't want my data mined and transferred to a third party without my prior knowledge.
Seriously though, I want the telemetry gone so it doesn't interfere with online gaming/streaming; I'm still on 7 for DRM games so it doesn't effect me, but friends with basic internet can't play some new games on 10 because of random connection based hangs/drops. I've already ruled out hardware and settings for a number of them since they're close by, but it's ridiculous when you can't use an alternative OS because DRM configurations and the supported OS has the ability to interfere with your experience.
The update system is just a whole other can of worms that needs to be killed off.
Interesting. Which Adobe service in particular? Most of our Windows 7 systems are running an ancient version of Acrobat Pro. Not sure how often they get flash updates, since any self-respecting website no longer uses it, and being a school everybody assumes that photo/video editing MUST be done on $1,500+ Macs, so I don't think any of them are running Illustrator or After Effects.Pretty sure I answered this but I'm not seeing it. Anyhow, it was drm or CC, I didn't go digging too deep.
Got home and saw my comp took updates reset itself. "WTF, I had auto updates explicitly turned off" I thought. Logged into Win 10 only to find my sound completely not working. Nothing was wrong, all drivers were fine, the equalizer showed it was working fine, but still no sound. I then spent literally 1.5 hours trying everything recommended to fix it, but to no avail. Finally I just uninstalled every update from the past 2 days, uninstalled all my audio devices and drivers, reboot and let base drivers install and remove previous updates, and it worked.I did similar the other day, checked cords, drivers, restarting, checking services... spent almost an hour only to find I had bumped a volume knob. HAHA
Aside from my time wasted, and how angry I got (probably knocked 5 years off my life,) I am more concerned that Win 10 thought it was OK to take updates I specifically told it not to take and reboot on it's own. Not cool.
Never had this issue with Win 7
spent almost an hour only to find I had bumped a volume knob.
my sound completely not working. Nothing was wrong, all drivers were fine, the equalizer showed it was working fine, but still no sound.
Win 7 has telemetry now to almost the same extent as win 10, it was part of the update.There are some lists with the updates to remove, some however contain actual patches you may want though, forcing you to chose updates or telemetry.
Seriously though, I want the telemetry gone so it doesn't interfere with online gaming/streaming; I'm still on 7 for DRM games so it doesn't effect me, but friends with basic internet can't play some new games on 10 because of random connection based hangs/drops. I've already ruled out hardware and settings for a number of them since they're close by, but it's ridiculous when you can't use an alternative OS because DRM configurations and the supported OS has the ability to interfere with your experience.If that is a recent thing, MS was routing data through a 3rd party (the privacy issues just get better and better don't they?) and they went down.
Win 7 has telemetry now to almost the same extent as win 10, it was part of the update.
If that is a recent thing, MS was routing data through a 3rd party (the privacy issues just get better and better don't they?) and they went down.
If it's been going on a while, I'd question their networks and what all is on them. The Windows update system can cause a LOT of network traffic flooding out systems, particularly if they're on wifi or 10/100.
Win 7 has telemetry now to almost the same extent as win 10, it was part of the update.There are some lists with the updates to remove, some however contain actual patches you may want though, forcing you to chose updates or telemetry.
Win 7 has telemetry now to almost the same extent as win 10, it was part of the update.There are some lists with the updates to remove, some however contain actual patches you may want though, forcing you to chose updates or telemetry.
People would drop windows SO HARD, like tomorrow, if they'd just get linux gaming working.
Win 7 has telemetry now to almost the same extent as win 10, it was part of the update.There are some lists with the updates to remove, some however contain actual patches you may want though, forcing you to chose updates or telemetry.
People would drop windows SO HARD, like tomorrow, if they'd just get linux gaming working.
Can't install telemetry if it can't update! My DRM gaming drive is an old clean build of the "no update since packages dropped" experiment I've been running. Still no hickups :thumb:
It's been ongoing the past year. I've tried thoroughly testing their networks and one of them is definitely part of the issue (basic package and using wifi from the all-in-one...), but the other two are mysteries I can only point at 10; most of their hickups seem to co-inside with what look to be MS pings. I suggested blocking it though their routers, but no one wants to deal with that :-X10 phones home but also uses something akin to torrent to share updates between all systems on the network. Horrible system in terms of overhead.
People would drop windows SO HARD, like tomorrow, if they'd just get linux gaming working.You can get almost anything but AAA titles working at this point, I expect to be playing Borderlands 3 shortly after it hits Steam
Linux is a pain in the ass, I wouldn't call it user-friendly at all.It's not, it's just different.
Or even installing nvidia drivers.. these were just a checkbox on Ubuntu.So much this.
MS spent MONTHS slowly rolling out bits and parts of it.
Here's an older, partial list that includes some optional /questionable ones.Morekb:971033, kb:2505438,kb:2670838, kb:2882822, kb:2902907, kb:2952664, kb:2976978, kb:2977759, kb:2990214, kb:3012973, kb:3015249, kb:3021917, kb:3022345, kb:3035583, kb3042058, kb:3044374, kb:3050265, kb:3050267, kb:3064683, kb:3065987, kb:3065988, kb:3068708, kb:3072318, kb:3074677, kb:3075249, kb:3075851, kb:3075853, kb:3078667, kb3080149, kb:3081437, kb:3081454, kb:3081954, kb:3083324, kb:3083325, kb:3083710, kb:3083711, kb:3086255, kb:3088195, kb:3090045, kb:3093983, kb:3102810, kb:3102812, kb3107998
10 phones home but also uses something akin to torrent to share updates between all systems on the network. Horrible system in terms of overhead.
I had a small office using 10/100 hardwired connections which worked fine even with voip for all their phones, but as soon as a handful switched to Win10 it became a boggy bloated mess. They replaced the router thinking it was the issue, then they replaced the modem and upped the cable speed, both had almost no impact, then they called me (I could have told them neither was the issue). I checked the network and realized it had a 10/100 switch and with the data they moved and prices I installed a gigabit router which helped some. I then put bandwidth limits in the router, that too helped but only a tiny bit and ended up slowing speeds when the office was slow.
Later while doing some work l found that the the laptops they purchased (at my recommendation) were not gigabit (deceptive marketing) and even if the laptops/desktops were, the VOIP system piggybacked the network connection and those, which they got cheap were also 10/100 so even if we used usb gigabit adapters and got them up to half gigabit the phone would take them back to 100. It took a lot of work to get them to understand the only fix was new phones and laptops, unfortunately the owner is the very definition of a miser so he drug his heels. And if you think that was tough, try getting him to spend a bit extra for an ssd...
It always amazes me how short sighted some "smart" business people are when it comes to where they put their money, this place relied on computers and yet they always bought cheap and more than they needed because they knew they would fail (1 spare for every 3 people!). Time is money and they will complain when an employee spends 30 seconds checking Facebook or a few minutes in the bathroom but it's fine to wait 5 minutes for a system boot every morning.
Or even installing nvidia drivers.. these were just a checkbox on Ubuntu.So much this.
Want to game? try Pop!
It already has the latest drivers, kernel and I believe even DXVK (direct x equivalent), you pretty much just check a box to install Steam and start installing your games just like Steam in Windows. It's actually easier than windows, you don't have to go to the Steam website.
And that's just some of it.
Some of your Windows software auto updates, but much of it has separate programs to do so, take Chrome for instance, it loads up two services just to maintain Chrome. Firefox does it automatically in the background but others you need to manually tell it to update or even go to the website and download the update then manually install it. Linux, I click an icon, tell it to update and everything updates. In seconds.
I'm not saying Linux is perfect, it takes time to adapt, and like I said, the longer you use Windows the harder it is, and if you dual boot, you only delay the process more because you just keep reverting instead of learning how to do it. This is why Mac users adapt "easy", they have no choice, they throw themselves into the deep end and learn to swim. While it's great to dip your toes and get your feet wet, at some point you either have to commit or be happy with just a wet foot. A wet foot is not swimming, I dual booted with Linux doing almost everything for 6 months, when I made the jump, I learned more in a week than I did in the last 6 months.
Some long time linux users call it boring, but I like that about it (not enough time to **** around just to get things going any more, I like it when things just work, haha). It's just simple to get running and I haven't had any real issues with mostly using the GUI to do anything.
Microsoft, Nvidia, Realtek, and more all with bad updates this week. Tis the season for rollbacks I guess.
Okay, can anyone explain why, through social media, that I would want to share or Rate and Review the camera app in Win10? Or any other built in app?
I would say it's a generic thing that all apps get, but they don't. Regardless, who even thought doing that from the start menu was a good idea? Who in their right minds looked at the start menu and though "I really want to post that on Facebook!" Sometimes the disconnect between MS (and marketers for that matter) and people just blows my mind.
"Look, we can be social, too!!"
Okay, can anyone explain why, through social media, that I would want to share or Rate and Review the camera app in Win10? Or any other built in app?
I would say it's a generic thing that all apps get, but they don't. Regardless, who even thought doing that from the start menu was a good idea? Who in their right minds looked at the start menu and though "I really want to post that on Facebook!" Sometimes the disconnect between MS (and marketers for that matter) and people just blows my mind.
"Look, we can be social, too!!"
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HECK no. I value my privacy.
I don't want my data mined and transferred to a third party without my prior knowledge.
Have I got some news for you!...
HECK no. I value my privacy.
I don't want my data mined and transferred to a third party without my prior knowledge.
Have I got some news for you!
Go on ....
Microsoft, Nvidia, Realtek, and more all with bad updates this week. Tis the season for rollbacks I guess.
With these three in particular, I'm just at the point of "If it works fine why update it?". Not sure how old my Realtek driver is, but Nvidia is still on 431.60 since it's the most stable driver to date.
I'm seriously not sure what I'll do when I get around to building a new system and put together a Windows 10 drive for DRM gaming at this point. It'll be one of those things I poke with a stick to make sure it won't explode every time I boot it, hahaha.
HECK no. I value my privacy.
I don't want my data mined and transferred to a third party without my prior knowledge.
Have I got some news for you!...
Go on...
Microsoft, Nvidia, Realtek, and more all with bad updates this week. Tis the season for rollbacks I guess.
With these three in particular, I'm just at the point of "If it works fine why update it?". Not sure how old my Realtek driver is, but Nvidia is still on 431.60 since it's the most stable driver to date.
I'm seriously not sure what I'll do when I get around to building a new system and put together a Windows 10 drive for DRM gaming at this point. It'll be one of those things I poke with a stick to make sure it won't explode every time I boot it, hahaha.
I haven't had any problems with drivers in recent memory, across many devices, keeping most of them fairy cutting edge with SDIO. The most recent Nvidia hotfix actually finally seems to have fixed all of the occasional freezing issues I was having in RDR2.
Which driver release? I haven't looked into stability testing for the past few months.
HECK no. I value my privacy.
I don't want my data mined and transferred to a third party without my prior knowledge.
Have I got some news for you!...
Go on...
You'd have to sign up for a social media account to see part of whats up. I never had any (or even put personal social info on the net) until a few years back, but during sign up, the site (Facebook) already had general information on me (no surprise) and it's guesses about my hobbies was alarmingly accurate.
They probably had the information from the shadow profile they create of you. Facebook creates shadow profiles for people who don't have accounts. They're one of the biggest violators of privacy on the internet, if not the biggest. Google also collects way more data than is required, and with Windows 10 being partly in the cloud they collect and store a lot of info they don't need.
Facebook probably is the worst because they cover so many platforms and websites and what they log, I have them blocked in multiple ways on everything, they still sneak in. Google is a close second and I hope we have a change in administration before it reaches conclusion so it can be stopped (linking you to your financials/credit). Doubleclick, now owned by Google tried this before and was shot down, which is why Google now owns them but this is ultimately their goal. Which is why Google is blocked as much as possible as well.
Despite all this, even they are not as brazen as MS and Win10, they basically took it to it's logical conclusion. If it could be logged and/or sent to them, it does. The only reason it now(!) lacks a keylogger is because of France. It still tracks everything clear down to network ID and passwords it's just not logging keystrokes unless you type them into a search field.
Facebook and Google may know you your hobbies, your friends and your financial bracket but MS knows where the bodies are buried.
Couldn't have said it better. Your life isn't private anymore unless you live in the woods off the grid, haha.
A nobody is invisible.Just how I like it. :cool:
A nobody is invisible.Just how I like it. :cool:
Couldn't have said it better. Your life isn't private anymore unless you live in the woods off the grid, haha.
It's more like, your life doesn't matter if no one cares.
A nobody is invisible.
Win10 drives me nuts on laptop. It's always burning through battery (and mobile data) to do forced updates/"virus scanning", and all sorts of other 'tasks'.Become? It's done that since the beta.
It's become insufferable.
Win10 drives me nuts on laptop. It's always burning through battery (and mobile data) to do forced updates/"virus scanning", and all sorts of other 'tasks'.Become? It's done that since the beta.
It's become insufferable.
It was the final nail in the coffin for me in regards to running Windows, I stuck it out long enough to get my free key for being a tester and then ditched it.
>_> <_< You can still activate Windows 10 with 7 licenses. Free keys are literally everywhere.Not when it was released.
>_> <_< You can still activate Windows 10 with 7 licenses. Free keys are literally everywhere.Not when it was released.
Every time I reset my comp now my sound defaults to the HDMI port and reinstalls the wrong drivers automatically. SO FUN, THANKS WIN10!
I'm pretty sure that you could. That was one of their marketing ploys to try to get people to adopt more quickly, and acted like it was a limited-time thing. I forget how long ago now it was that they pretended that that program ended. If you couldn't, I'm not sure how I immediately went from beta licenses to full on 10 Pro licenses on 3-4+ systems. I've been daily driving it from pretty early on, once I found it to be relatively stable enough, save for the early driver ... issues.Blah, I misread it as being able to buy cheap keys everywhere, which I don't think were available right away for Win10, though like you said you could use a Win7 or 8 key.
Every time I reset my comp now my sound defaults to the HDMI port and reinstalls the wrong drivers automatically. SO FUN, THANKS WIN10!
That is why I still run a SoundBlaster Zx, only time sound changes is due to a GPU driver update and even then it just defaults to my Kanto YU2's instead of my headset.
Facebook probably is the worst because they cover so many platforms and websites and what they log, I have them blocked in multiple ways on everything, they still sneak in. Google is a close second and I hope we have a change in administration before it reaches conclusion so it can be stopped (linking you to your financials/credit). Doubleclick, now owned by Google tried this before and was shot down, which is why Google now owns them but this is ultimately their goal. Which is why Google is blocked as much as possible as well.
Despite all this, even they are not as brazen as MS and Win10, they basically took it to it's logical conclusion. If it could be logged and/or sent to them, it does. The only reason it now(!) lacks a keylogger is because of France. It still tracks everything clear down to network ID and passwords it's just not logging keystrokes unless you type them into a search field.
Facebook and Google may know you your hobbies, your friends and your financial bracket but MS knows where the bodies are buried.
Next time i get a pc i'm going to get windows 10 ltsc instead of homeYou can't buy it on a home computer.
Next time i get a pc i'm going to get windows 10 ltsc instead of homeYou can't buy it on a home computer.
It's volume license only (A.K.A. big business) or fly the Jolly Roger.
Next time i get a pc i'm going to get windows 10 ltsc instead of homeYou can't buy it on a home computer.
It's volume license only (A.K.A. big business) or fly the Jolly Roger.
News @ 11, woman arrested for breaching software vendor agreement, selling nearly 50,000 copies of microsoft software to unqualified end-users, many of whom she met on what experts describe as an online computer peripheral fetishism website, to which the perpetrator is a member of under the alias Leslieann.
> Do you wish to know more ?
Do you wish to know more ?
Next time i get a pc i'm going to get windows 10 ltsc instead of homeYou can't buy it on a home computer.
It's volume license only (A.K.A. big business) or fly the Jolly Roger.
News @ 11, woman arrested for breaching software vendor agreement, selling nearly 50,000 copies of microsoft software to unqualified end-users, many of whom she met on what experts describe as an online computer peripheral fetishism website, to which the perpetrator is a member of under the alias Leslieann.
> Do you wish to know more ?
Do you wish to know more? Is this Starship Troopers? lol
Next time i get a pc i'm going to get windows 10 ltsc instead of homeYou can't buy it on a home computer.
It's volume license only (A.K.A. big business) or fly the Jolly Roger.
News @ 11, woman arrested for breaching software vendor agreement, selling nearly 50,000 copies of microsoft software to unqualified end-users, many of whom she met on what experts describe as an online computer peripheral fetishism website, to which the perpetrator is a member of under the alias Leslieann.
> Do you wish to know more ?
Do you wish to know more? Is this Starship Troopers? lol
LMAO, unfortunately windows doesn't believe that a good bug is a dead bug
Win10 continues to install updates on it's own even after I paused all updates and made exceptions for it not to do so. Today I actually had to stop it from rebooting all on it's own right when I was in the middle of something because it installed an update secretly while I was asleep without permission.Important security fixes do not get deferred.
Why even have an option to pause and turn off updates if Win10 just completely ignores that and does whatever it wants anyway?
I definitely disliked Windows 10 a lot at first. Went back to Windows 7 for a couple of years. By the time I bought another laptop with Windows 10 preinstalled it had either improved or I'd gotten accustomed to it.
My main gripe with modern Windows is I don't like File Explorer as much. They took out the recent folders thing which meant I rarely had to dig through my whole file structure to find jobs cos they were usually up there already with a single click.
edit: I see I can actually restore that function might give it a go.
I've not taken an update in months because MS cannot be trusted to do their jobs. The entire Win Update team are nothing but **** ups at this point.
I've not taken an update in months because MS cannot be trusted to do their jobs. The entire Win Update team are nothing but **** ups at this point.
Seems pretty much every other month there's something.
I was also seeing a bit of talk about bad GPU drivers today, so that may have also updated for some people.
I've not taken an update in months because MS cannot be trusted to do their jobs. The entire Win Update team are nothing but **** ups at this point.
Seems pretty much every other month there's something.
I was also seeing a bit of talk about bad GPU drivers today, so that may have also updated for some people.
Because most people never mess with their system once it's up and running and have no idea those drivers are so out of date.I've not taken an update in months because MS cannot be trusted to do their jobs. The entire Win Update team are nothing but **** ups at this point.
Seems pretty much every other month there's something.
I was also seeing a bit of talk about bad GPU drivers today, so that may have also updated for some people.
I don't know why they would bother. The drivers always seem to be 4-5 years out of date anyway. Maybe not for somewhat modern dedicated cards, but I couldn't fathom why people would be relying on M$' drivers for such things.
I've not taken an update in months because MS cannot be trusted to do their jobs. The entire Win Update team are nothing but **** ups at this point.
Seems pretty much every other month there's something.
I was also seeing a bit of talk about bad GPU drivers today, so that may have also updated for some people.
I don't know why they would bother. The drivers always seem to be 4-5 years out of date anyway. Maybe not for somewhat modern dedicated cards, but I couldn't fathom why people would be relying on M$' drivers for such things.
People always jump to blaming QA for missing a bug but 99% of the time it's not QA's fault at all. In fact most of the time that bug is known and reported multiple times and the engineers just ignore all suggestions.
I know for a fact MS cares more about meeting deadlines than they do about fixing known issues. It goes so far as a QA team missing a previous milestone due to not having enough time, then being scolded and given more work than before with even less time to complete it. It's so ****ed over there.
This has now become a monthly routine - Win10 takes a security update after I tell it to not to take any updates and even rewrite system files to disable it, and wouldn't ya know, the update breaks my comp every damn time.
I can't disable them, can't stop them, and 100% of the time they break something important.
I guess this is just life with Windows 10
Hey on the upside I'm getting really good at identifying and troubleshooting Win10
I think it was Microsoft's way of telling me they no longer support my hardware. After ripping it out and using the base mobo sound I've had no issues with Windows getting confused. They did the same thing forcing me to switch over from 7, just gradually break each thing 'till I've had enough and comply.
How to I remove Cortana completely and "forever" (I already did the regedit AllowCortana=0) and force Windows searches to search *ONLY* my local physical computer files?
PS - is it possible to disengage this physical device from whatever Microsoft "account" it is attached to?
When setting up a new system disconnect from the net before you get to account creation otherwise MS is now making it extremely difficult or even impossible to bypass it.
You have several options, using the MS guide is by far the fastest and safest.
When setting up a new system disconnect from the net before you get to account creation otherwise MS is now making it extremely difficult or even impossible to bypass it.
Thank you very much. Although it would be a PITA, this rig is only a week old and I haven't gotten locked in too deep. Could I wipe it and start over, or do you think that M$ has already tied me to it by recognizing the motherboard?
What do you think about KDE Neon?Not bad, nothing special but also not bad.
You can add OpenSUSE to the 'nightmare version upgrade' list,
Viruses in wine?! That's a new one, will have to do some research.Wine can definitely do it depending on what you add to it, however they are limited in what all they can do being as it's still Linux after all.
Didn't know the Windows 7 keys I inherited when mum's work upgraded their computers were legit for 10 either. If something really weird comes up I could Win10 briefly though I have no intention of doing so at this time. Arch hasn't destroyed itself yet and it must have been a couple of years - that's probably a record for meShow Image(https://cdn.geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
You can add OpenSUSE to the 'nightmare version upgrade' list, took me an hour to convince it I wanted mum's keyboard to be ISO-UK last time, amongst other problems. I do like the transparent bootscreen that shows BIOS behind it though (but I think it's a glitch as BIOS should be finished)
Mint seems very evasive regarding a release date, do you have any insider information on that?
... what I don't like and what ultimately turned me and every Mint user I know to switch was their absolutely horrendous update system. I don't mean daily and weekly I mean the big upgrades from 17 to 18 and 18 to 19 etc... They can't seem to make that smooth to save their lives. It is always a nihgtmare and very often results in needing a ton of repairs or just dumping the system. And because of how their repos work if you don't upgrade you get left behind since everything in the repo is version based and tested so if you have Mint 18 you're currently stuck on VLC 2.0, you can hack your way around and get 3.0 but you shouldn't have to. Get too far behind and there is really no way forward at all, though this is true with Ubuntu and many others.
I get around this by not automatically doing each major upgrade, and just sticking with the installed version until I reach a point where I can't do what I need without a newer version of some package. I'll be moving my Mint 18 (not 18.3, 18!) box to Mint 20 when it releases, as 18.x is only supported until 2021 anyway, and I need a newer version of OpenVPN now than what I can access in the Mint 18 repos. Will probably pair the upgrade with a new boot drive (are 120GB SSDs even sold anymore?), and will just move files over that I need -- I know there's a lot of crap from the past 4 years that I don't need anymore, so I don't see a pressing need to try and make the upgrade system work.Major upgrades by Mint never happen automatically and it's the in place upgrade that is the problem. I've had one work and three completely bork, that's not very good odds and it's never as simple as "sudo apt-get upgrade", etc.. or if on Arco it's simply "update".
I would definitely be more upset with the version upgrade system if I was trying to stay on top of the latest release and do an in-place upgrade.
the Start menu is just COMPLETELY useless.It's been useless since Win8.
After about a week or 2, I complained and Leslieann suggested a clean new installed while not connected to the internet. I did that and regedit-ed out Cortana, OneDrive, Bing, and everything else I could think of before I plugged in the ethernet cable for the first time.Installing offline only fixes the online account issue, nothing else.
It still pulls up Bing and searches the internet.
Guys, it's easier than you're making it. There's a piece of software called Winaereo Tweaker and it can fix this for you.
I love my Win10 installation, no problems and its faster and more secure.
In my experience, faster than any relatively modern operating system besides pretty well streamlined installations of Linux. Certainly faster than Windows 7 on every piece of hardware I have ran both on, even though it is many years newer. I think Windows 8 may tie, but Windows 8 is terrible, so I haven't really compared them other than 8 came on a system and I briefly used it, or it is one of those weird Bay Trail Atom systems where installing anything you actually prefer is a nightmare.Most claim the opposite, with Win10 getting slower lately.
In my experience, faster than any relatively modern operating system besides pretty well streamlined installations of Linux. Certainly faster than Windows 7 on every piece of hardware I have ran both on, even though it is many years newer. I think Windows 8 may tie, but Windows 8 is terrible, so I haven't really compared them other than 8 came on a system and I briefly used it, or it is one of those weird Bay Trail Atom systems where installing anything you actually prefer is a nightmare.Most claim the opposite, with Win10 getting slower lately.
Might be time for some testing, though Win7 is becoming more and more of a hassle to install.
With some light mods to disable things like Xbox integration and Cortana, as well as the usual telemetry, yes.Anti-cheat is pretty much the only remaining issue and it will probably never be fully fixed, some of them are too entwined with Windows and likely always will be.
It's a perfectly functional OS and despite it's annoyances, many can be fixed with scripts / using Win10Pro. I don't see any other Windows being worth using in the modern day.
That said, I hate windows. As soon as Linux gaming is a little more viable for me, I will be switching over full time.
With some light mods to disable things like Xbox integration and Cortana, as well as the usual telemetry, yes.Anti-cheat is pretty much the only remaining issue and it will probably never be fully fixed, some of them are too entwined with Windows and likely always will be.
It's a perfectly functional OS and despite it's annoyances, many can be fixed with scripts / using Win10Pro. I don't see any other Windows being worth using in the modern day.
That said, I hate windows. As soon as Linux gaming is a little more viable for me, I will be switching over full time.
If you wait for it to cover EVERYTHING, it never will, it simply can't.
Oh, I know Linux will probably never have full compat. But it seems like every time I'm ready to make the switch and just have Windows on a backup drive, I check the compatibility lists and there's SOME game I'm currently playing a ton of that won't run on Linux yet.It will probably always be that way unless you get lucky and a game is supported right away but even if that happens, the next probably won't.
Oh, I know Linux will probably never have full compat. But it seems like every time I'm ready to make the switch and just have Windows on a backup drive, I check the compatibility lists and there's SOME game I'm currently playing a ton of that won't run on Linux yet.proton is actually becoming pretty good, there is still quite a few old games that it does not work with but for recent games i had mostly good surprises with it and well it is free to try the only issue that is still somewhat a problem with linux gaming is the sub par nVidia support, but if you are on AMD (other than GCN1.0) you should be pretty much set, my hate for 10 also helps with seeing linux as a better alternative maybe.
the only issue that is still somewhat a problem with linux gaming is the sub par nVidia supportOnly if you use the open source driver. Use the proper NVidia proprietary driver and it's basically the same quality and version as the windows one.
true but it is a pain to install on most distros, AMDGPU being backed into the kernel makes it much easier, to be fair you also need to install drivers on windows, but the process is usually much more automated, although my last experience with nVidia on linux was 6 years ago so it may have evolved quite a bit.the only issue that is still somewhat a problem with linux gaming is the sub par nVidia supportOnly if you use the open source driver. Use the proper NVidia proprietary driver and it's basically the same quality and version as the windows one.
The Windows nVidia driver experience isn't bad. I would say it's about the same level of complexity as the AMD Windows driver. Only personal quirk is that I don't install the HD audio driver or the 3d vision stuff since I do not use them, but it's just two checkboxes so not at all a pain.true but it is a pain to install on most distros, AMDGPU being backed into the kernel makes it much easier, to be fair you also need to install drivers on windows, but the process is usually much more automated, although my last experience with nVidia on linux was 6 years ago so it may have evolved quite a bit.the only issue that is still somewhat a problem with linux gaming is the sub par nVidia supportOnly if you use the open source driver. Use the proper NVidia proprietary driver and it's basically the same quality and version as the windows one.
true but it is a pain to install on most distros, AMDGPU being backed into the kernel makes it much easierAgain, on Ubuntu it's just a mouse click on "Do you want to use NVidia proprietary drivers ?". Actually easier than the Windows counterpart where you do have to navigate to nvidia.com, get to the driver download section, download the said driver, then execute the install, then reboot.
tldr, macs are smooth and compact, but not for the power user. Jumped back to my W10 machine and was in love all over again with windows.Macs are for power users, everything can be, however the use case matters.
Nothing will ever compare to Windows 7 in my books
Despite how it might seem, power users actually have a much harder time switching OS than a noob. While you have a greater tech understanding, you have to unlearn habits and workflow you rely on while a new user is just fumbling their way through. If you are fumbling workflow and understanding doesn't matter.
I've never used any of that stuff, I never wanted to sacrifice the resources and desktop space.
Ironically, by the time I felt I had the resources I had so much to spare I didn't really need to monitor them.
I still go through the startup and process lists and disable everything I think is wasting resources with no real payoff, even if there's really no major practical need due to excessively capable hardware. I even wish I had more time/motivation to still go through and strip all of the useless trash out of Windows entirely like I used to with XP.I stopped doing that about the time Win8 came out, the resource savings and speed increases were no longer worth bothering. I did however limit apps at startup by using Winpatrol but that was also due to privacy and security reasons.
In short, Win10 has been a good experience for me on the desktop and WSL2 gives me access to the phenomenal terminal of a Linux install.
What kind of stuff do you find broken? I’ve not had anything break in an update on either my home PC or work PC (which is set up for early access updates) so it always seems somewhat circumstantial when I hear about updates breaking stuff.
People at work hate it, of course, because researchers like to be silly and run their intensive fluid dynamics simulations on their £30k workstations which are managed and therefore have updates every two weeks (we tell them when these will be) as opposed to our HPC.
I hate the pointless re-arranging.
I deal a lot with networking and the right click function on the network icon near the clock has changed multiple times, you never know where it leads. Can I right click on start and get to device manager... Not this version but you can get to the old control panel that way, but not the computer sitting right next to it.
Pure madness.
Particularly with sound. The new sound menu is absolutely atrocious, and the old one (still accessible) works perfectly fine, no bugs, nothing wrong with it. I do a lot of complicated sound setup when I'm working with various programs (voicemeeter pro, resanance, voicemod, VR things from time to time...) and I don't even waste my time with the new menu anymore. Literally made a shortcut and set a ctrl+alt+] hotkey for it so I can pull it up quickly.
The other thing I don't like is that the file browser needs more robust view options. I can't configure thumbnail sizes like I can in windows.This depends on the desktop environment you use, Manjaro isn't an environment just a distro. The file manager is desktop environment based, for example Plasma comes with Dolphin which is way better than the garbage Gnome uses (Nautilus). They're interchangeable regardless of desktop environment (and many to pick from) you just need to try a few. I think the one Ubuntu or Mint uses (might be Nautilus) does support One Drive, not the normal way but it does do cloud storage.
I preferred the XP interface for most stuff. File Manager is really annoying how it is now.
I wish it showed the whole path of folders so you could click them (not just display the path) and while you can turn on an equivalent of Recent Folders it doesn't work in Save As unless I start faffing about with the registry.
I have no idea how people get by without file extensions.
The file extension is more important than the file tree...
I can barely function without that, seriously I have no idea how people get by without file extensions.
I have no idea how people get by without file extensions.
Yes, it is like taking all the labels off all the packages ....
i actually do that since firefox decided to bury the favorites 3 levels deep in the menus, i use tabs as favorites pretty much, and true i am not nearly as fast as you at typing but i am not too slow either, just easier that way, and as firefox do not load unused tabs it do not matter on system usage.The file extension is more important than the file tree...
I can barely function without that, seriously I have no idea how people get by without file extensions.
There are alot of people behind the times on computer use.
For example, people who keeps 100s of tabs open, WHY do that, because they can't type, and it's more efficient to keep things open then to type the address and find something again.
Same with icons on the desktop.
Typing speed determines their clutter.
Why does Win10 hate audiophiles? I've never met an OS that fought so hard to make my sound quality gutter-realm **** tier.Is there anything Win10 doesn't try to ruin?
Why does Win10 hate audiophiles? I've never met an OS that fought so hard to make my sound quality gutter-realm **** tier.Is there anything Win10 doesn't try to ruin?
MS teams integrate better on my debian machine than my windows 10 machine... (well it is sound stacks bugs), and so far as networking goes, very hit or miss to for me as the "telemetry" running on the network stack has some memory leaks making it crash on lower end systems upon heavy use. so win 10 ruins everything :)Why does Win10 hate audiophiles? I've never met an OS that fought so hard to make my sound quality gutter-realm **** tier.Is there anything Win10 doesn't try to ruin?
Integration with other (current)MS products and ecosystems, and arguably better at ethernet connectivity? oy, can't think of much else that it doesn't actively ruin.
Making your own software work with your other software isn't exactly a high bar is it?Is there anything Win10 doesn't try to ruin?Integration with other (current)MS products and ecosystems, and arguably better at ethernet connectivity? oy, can't think of much else that it doesn't actively ruin.
Does anyone know of any way to stop Win updates dead? I have tried so many things and am sick of it bogging down my system all the time running in the background, completely ignoring my pause or turn off update instructions. Is there a root file I can get to to stop it completely 100%? I don't even care if I ever take another update ever again, I just want control over my own pc.Try O&OShutup10 (https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10)
if you have a decent router you can also use its firewallBit of warning here, it only takes surprisingly few rules to really bog down many routers, this is why people use Pi-holes and such to handle DNS, it would swamp the router.
It’s just accessible and very easy to manage, most of everything is made for windows anyways so why not. No point in making your life harder if you don’t have to.It's easy for you to manage because you've been doing it so long, it took you years to get where you are, you can't expect to jump to another OS and be as proficient with it right from the start.
Bit of warning here, it only takes surprisingly few rules to really bog down many routers, this is why people use Pi-holes and such to handle DNS, it would swamp the router.yeah it is why i said decent :) in france our main operator (Orange) distribute routers that will overheat about every 2 to 3 hours or so by default, and crash every hour if you try to add a rule...
Media priority rules will drag them down even faster.
After working with Mac and Linux, yes, there are places where Windows is better but managing the OS (in a non-corporate environment) is absolutely not one of them, in fact this is one area where Windows is by far the worst of the 3 major operating systems.and if you really want, a linux can be managed from an AD, although i do not know why you would do that
It is an AMD build, so I was starting to worry that there was some compatibility issue between processor and ram. I decided to plug my fathers OS into my computer and boot it, it downloaded a couple of updates and worked beatifully.Never cross platforms.
I tried to rebuild the boot sequence on the drive, but long story short, I had to format the drive and lost everything. Install all the crap and try not to think in all I lost.It very well have just been a bios change needed to fix it, however what you should have done was put the drive back in your dad's system while and copy off your data. Be it booting off your drive or installing it as a secondary drive. No need to lose everything.
That's what I get from DIYing crap and being nice and trying to do nice things for the family.This is not a Mac vs Windows issue.
What kind of stuff do you find broken? I’ve not had anything break in an update on either my home PC or work PC (which is set up for early access updates) so it always seems somewhat circumstantial when I hear about updates breaking stuff.
People at work hate it, of course, because researchers like to be silly and run their intensive fluid dynamics simulations on their £30k workstations which are managed and therefore have updates every two weeks (we tell them when these will be) as opposed to our HPC.
A lot of it has to do with security permissions, constant sound issues, reformatting my files without permission, resetting right when I'm in the middle of working on something, Win10 intensively using hardware resources as it idles in the background doing literally nothing etc.
It's different nearly every week.
if you have a decent router you can also use its firewallBit of warning here, it only takes surprisingly few rules to really bog down many routers, this is why people use Pi-holes and such to handle DNS, it would swamp the router.
Media priority rules will drag them down even faster.
It is an AMD build, so I was starting to worry that there was some compatibility issue between processor and ram. I decided to plug my fathers OS into my computer and boot it, it downloaded a couple of updates and worked beatifully.Never cross platforms.
Youtubers will say they do it often, and they do, but they do prep work (dumping drivers) and even that can fail.
That's what I get from DIYing crap and being nice and trying to do nice things for the family.This is not a Mac vs Windows issue.
Why were you "tweaking bios and crap", you shouldn't NEED to do this. Yes, you may need to to get the most from the system but it's not necessary to build a system.
I don't mean to be harsh here, but I suspect you were your own worst enemy here.
BTW, Windows bluetooth is horrible, not physically, it's a software.driver issue.
If you have a mix of old and new drivers it causes all sorts of issues. One way you might fix this is with a driver update tool such as Snappy Driver or something similar (this method works on Win7 and 8, never tried it on 10). It will probably mess up your bluetooth worse than it is but it can be used as a tool to get where you need to be. I have it update the driver, then restart, go to device manager and purge anything bluetooth, reboot again and now it will pick from all the new and old drivers and start working properly. I suspect Windows has a bad driver or INI file somewhere that the drivers are clinging to and this method finally pushes it out. I've had to do this to a number of laptops I've worked on.
Resetting Windows while retaining your files may fix both systems.
What kind of stuff do you find broken? I’ve not had anything break in an update on either my home PC or work PC (which is set up for early access updates) so it always seems somewhat circumstantial when I hear about updates breaking stuff.
People at work hate it, of course, because researchers like to be silly and run their intensive fluid dynamics simulations on their £30k workstations which are managed and therefore have updates every two weeks (we tell them when these will be) as opposed to our HPC.
A lot of it has to do with security permissions, constant sound issues, reformatting my files without permission, resetting right when I'm in the middle of working on something, Win10 intensively using hardware resources as it idles in the background doing literally nothing etc.
It's different nearly every week.
I've just read in another thread, that you emphasize the fact, that you have never reinstalled Windows. You probably don't want to hear this, but if you would be willing to invest a few hours in a fresh installation of Windows etc., I'm sure that your update problems would be gone.
About 2 years ago I also had the problem, that my Windows started to act up - every update became more and more difficult or failed. After a fresh install, there were no problems whatsoever.
I'm also not a fan of constant updates, that can't be stopped, but as long as they run silently without problems, I don't really care.
It works, the problem is when it doesn't it can be anything from weird glitches to a a total bluescreen, and it's completely unpredictable if or when it will do it.It is an AMD build, so I was starting to worry that there was some compatibility issue between processor and ram. I decided to plug my fathers OS into my computer and boot it, it downloaded a couple of updates and worked beatifully.Never cross platforms.
Youtubers will say they do it often, and they do, but they do prep work (dumping drivers) and even that can fail.
Windows 8 and 10 seem a lot less fussy about this than previous releases. I was surprised to see that when I installed windows 10 to a hard drive using a comparatively modern Dell and swapped it into an "incompatible" Macbook Pro (one of the early Core 2s), that it booted up and functioned well without any bluescreens. I think I have swapped between AMD and Intel as well, but now that I think of it, I haven't had a relatively modern AMD system in a very long time.
I have absolutely no idea how people end up with these ungodly horror stories outside of perhaps an overextended sense of their computing knowledge.It's not their sense of computing knowledge, I've seen so much fail right out of the box, first update, without any user interaction at all.
i have found an other reason to hate windows 10 more than 7
the scheduler seems dumber, yesterday i had forgot an i++ in my code (happen often) so it went into infinite loop and crashed windows. this loop was not actually allocating memory or forking, the same kind of infinite loop on Windows 7 did only crash the program (like i said happen often to me)... Windows 10 acted as if it was Windows 95 and just let the program hog all the system resources...
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how to trash a linux install : sudo rm -rfI have absolutely no idea how people end up with these ungodly horror stories outside of perhaps an overextended sense of their computing knowledge.It's not their sense of computing knowledge, I've seen so much fail right out of the box, first update, without any user interaction at all.
As for Linux,
If you're determined to screw something up or follow a guide (especially a bad or outdated one) without knowing what you're doing, you can destroy any OS install.
how to trash a linux install : sudo rm -rfI did both in one comand. Install Windows at the beginning of a drive, then Linux on the same drive. Boot Linux and run sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda.
how to trash a windows install : just install windows, trashed from factory
good old Disk Destroyer :)how to trash a linux install : sudo rm -rfI did both in one comand. Install Windows at the beginning of a drive, then Linux on the same drive. Boot Linux and run sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda.
how to trash a windows install : just install windows, trashed from factory
Not my finest moment but at least everything was still on the old drive :-[
good old Disk Destroyer :)how to trash a linux install : sudo rm -rfI did both in one comand. Install Windows at the beginning of a drive, then Linux on the same drive. Boot Linux and run sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda.
how to trash a windows install : just install windows, trashed from factory
Not my finest moment but at least everything was still on the old drive :-[
Though I am curious, does Windows 10 have a working recovery system? I seem to remember needing to use that a lot for ME/2000.Yes and no.
Though I am curious, does Windows 10 have a working recovery system? I seem to remember needing to use that a lot for ME/2000.Yes and no.
It has a system to rebuild itself, it works great if you have a modest problem or want to wipe your data, anything more is questionable. Linux has Timeshift, while not meant to repair a total screw up it can roll back problems. Linux also keeps prior versions of the kernel alowwing you to usually get in and fix it with a little knowledge. Linux has faaaaaar greater recovery in that aspect, you can't just reinstall an entire subsystem on Windows, at least not easily. You also can't roll back to specific versions or programs or subsystem as easily, if at all.
Total system recovery is where Mac absolutely shines, the recovery runs from bios, you can connect it to the internet (even wifi) and it will download and install onto a brand new unformatted drive without issue, it requires nothing to install from nothing. Wiped your drive and installed Linux or Windows, boot to recovery and it will wipe out everything and put Mac back on. It takes a while (has to download everything) but works amazingly well. For lesser repairs you can often get in and do a few more repairs than you can on windows as well since many config files, like in Linux) are plain text instead of a registry. It also has a roll back system (Time Machine I think) however trying to rollback individual systems or programs isn't as easy as Linux.
Honestly, there's no reason something the Mac recovery system couldn't be implemented on Windows, especially now that Windows is one system, we've seen entire mini Linux distros installed to bios (Asus did this years ago) so clearly it's possible if they wanted to do it.
I was wondering why no one mentioned Windows 10 recovery, and I guess I have my answer. It was mostly useful in the early 00's IIRC.It's easier to just reformat and install from fresh.
It's easier to just reformat and install from fresh.Absolutely true...
I did use the win10 recovery trying to fix January patch that's going on a fail loop. Result is not convincing, it goes into further fail loops. Reformatting and reinstalling from fresh "works"
They don't have to re-write anything.
Win10 already works on ARM, it has since day 1.
Most people have no idea how to do this and to be fair, it's not entirely their fault, MS and others have made it difficult because they won't follow their own standards.They also advocate reinstalling the whole system. Support tickets on the failed January patch all lead to this point. When even MS abandon the idea of fixing the issue itself, what can you do ?
Reloading is one of the best tools in the Windows arsenal.Fine, reload the backup (i have one, being naive in thinking that would save me from this crap system autodestruction), then the same patch comes in as you are back to the point before it was applied. Then said patch fails again the same way exactly, and sends the machine in the same crash loop. Then what ? Been there, done that, my precious weekend hours are better not spent on this nonsense IMHO.
They don't have to re-write anything.i feel that work is a strong word there, it started actually being somewhat useful recently, and i still do not get why anyone would bother with windows other than for retro-compatibility, that it does not have on ARM...
Win10 already works on ARM, it has since day 1.
Fine, reload the backup (i have one, being naive in thinking that would save me from this crap system autodestruction), then the same patch comes in as you are back to the point before it was applied. Then said patch fails again the same way exactly, and sends the machine in the same crash loop. Then what ? Been there, done that, my precious weekend hours are better not spent on this nonsense IMHO.Don't reload the backup (that's not a reload) because of course that will happen, gotta love Windows (or not). You also put back all the other garbage that was there and building up. The whole point of a reload is to purge the garbage.
As i see it there is 0 point to windows on ARM devices even if MS manages to make it work like its x86 counterpart.There is a point, if they don't have something, they have nothing, as in, if they don't do it and ARM becomes more dominant or Intel flops they're left with nothing. 7 years ago that statement may have been laughable by many people, but look where Intel is right now compared to ARM and AMD. Intel's not going anywhere, but I doubt many foresaw Intel having the problems they're having.
"we should not use opensource solutions as we do not know where the data go"Well he's got a point. With MS the data goes to them in Redmond WA, so you do know where you data goes in that case. For OSS you'll need to inspect the source code at least to know if it sends data anywhere, and you know that reading code is not really in a manager's qualifications :)
true and not, most opensource projects have neither the budget to store those data nor the freedom to lie about collecting them, because you know someone will check and call you out on that, Debian seems to have the budget, but also ask you if you want to participate, and do not collect nearly as much data"we should not use opensource solutions as we do not know where the data go"Well he's got a point. With MS the data goes to them in Redmond WA, so you do know where you data goes in that case. For OSS you'll need to inspect the source code at least to know if it sends data anywhere, and you know that reading code is not really in a manager's qualifications :)
(...)I was joking mate :) Im an open source dev and advocate myself. That was just a tongue-in-cheek comment on how your data being siphoned by MS (and certainly sold to 3rd parties, and given to the NSA) is a known quantity.
yeah i see that, i woke up not long ago so yeah i can be a bit to serious then :)(...)I was joking mate :) Im an open source dev and advocate myself. That was just a tongue-in-cheek comment on how your data being siphoned by MS (and certainly sold to 3rd parties, and given to the NSA) is a known quantity.
Like Google and Netflix, much of Microsoft's data is actually collected and stored at local ISPs and regional content providers before being sent on to MS. Some telemetry is about the only thing going directly to them.
Not only do these people get access to a lot of the stats and data, MS, Amazon, Google and others often give free and easy access to local and national governments. Don't forget that Win10 is a snitch, it reports everything you do (and even typed at one point), then you add One Drive on top of it storing all your important documents and basically MS has your entire system and everything you do on that computer at their fingertips. And no amount of anonymizing will protect you. They know you checked your credit score last week, you bank account yesterday and what you watched on pornhub this evening, they even know you didn't even make it to the end.
Basically, the only people not seeing the data is competitors and you.
MoreIt is an AMD build, so I was starting to worry that there was some compatibility issue between processor and ram. I decided to plug my fathers OS into my computer and boot it, it downloaded a couple of updates and worked beatifully.Never cross platforms.
Youtubers will say they do it often, and they do, but they do prep work (dumping drivers) and even that can fail.I tried to rebuild the boot sequence on the drive, but long story short, I had to format the drive and lost everything. Install all the crap and try not to think in all I lost.It very well have just been a bios change needed to fix it, however what you should have done was put the drive back in your dad's system while and copy off your data. Be it booting off your drive or installing it as a secondary drive. No need to lose everything.That's what I get from DIYing crap and being nice and trying to do nice things for the family.This is not a Mac vs Windows issue.
Why were you "tweaking bios and crap", you shouldn't NEED to do this. Yes, you may need to to get the most from the system but it's not necessary to build a system.
I don't mean to be harsh here, but I suspect you were your own worst enemy here.
BTW, Windows bluetooth is horrible, not physically, it's a software.driver issue.MoreIf you have a mix of old and new drivers it causes all sorts of issues. One way you might fix this is with a driver update tool such as Snappy Driver or something similar (this method works on Win7 and 8, never tried it on 10). It will probably mess up your bluetooth worse than it is but it can be used as a tool to get where you need to be. I have it update the driver, then restart, go to device manager and purge anything bluetooth, reboot again and now it will pick from all the new and old drivers and start working properly. I suspect Windows has a bad driver or INI file somewhere that the drivers are clinging to and this method finally pushes it out. I've had to do this to a number of laptops I've worked on.
Resetting Windows while retaining your files may fix both systems.
MoreIt works, the problem is when it doesn't it can be anything from weird glitches to a a total bluescreen, and it's completely unpredictable if or when it will do it.It is an AMD build, so I was starting to worry that there was some compatibility issue between processor and ram. I decided to plug my fathers OS into my computer and boot it, it downloaded a couple of updates and worked beatifully.Never cross platforms.
Youtubers will say they do it often, and they do, but they do prep work (dumping drivers) and even that can fail.
Windows 8 and 10 seem a lot less fussy about this than previous releases. I was surprised to see that when I installed windows 10 to a hard drive using a comparatively modern Dell and swapped it into an "incompatible" Macbook Pro (one of the early Core 2s), that it booted up and functioned well without any bluescreens. I think I have swapped between AMD and Intel as well, but now that I think of it, I haven't had a relatively modern AMD system in a very long time.
It's probably worth a shot for people but I'd make a backup first, personally, I prefer doing a clean install as often as possible. People were always curious why it seemed my own Windows systems ran so good and yet I was always reloading Windows, it ran well because I was always reloading Windows.
The best thing you can do for Windows performance and troubleshooting is learn how to do good backup and restores (NOT IMAGES). It's the best anti-malware, registry cleaner and system cleaner you can get.
I tried to access the files when the unit displayed as USB but when I tried to acces the main user folder it didn't allow me because it didn't had the rights to do so and ejected the unit.
You seem to know your way arround this things, how do you go about the backup?
I have absolutely no idea how people end up with these ungodly horror stories outside of perhaps an overextended sense of their computing knowledge.It's not their sense of computing knowledge, I've seen so much fail right out of the box, first update, without any user interaction at all.
As for Linux,
If you're determined to screw something up or follow a guide (especially a bad or outdated one) without knowing what you're doing, you can destroy any OS install.
I have absolutely no idea how people end up with these ungodly horror stories outside of perhaps an overextended sense of their computing knowledge.It's not their sense of computing knowledge, I've seen so much fail right out of the box, first update, without any user interaction at all.
As for Linux,
If you're determined to screw something up or follow a guide (especially a bad or outdated one) without knowing what you're doing, you can destroy any OS install.
I once destroyed a Debian install by following the official major update routine exactly. The updater decided the best way to update the OS was to copy literally everything on my hard drive into /etc recursively. By this I mean it did a fresh install but every single existing folder was moved into /etc and then if you went into the /etc from the previous install you were kicked back to the /etc from the previous install which kicked you back to the/etc from the previous install which...
Keep in mind, I'd been using various Linux distros exclusively for about four years. I knew what I was doing. The update tool hashed my system. I figured there was a way to untangle this mess with a few commands since everything was there, just smashed one folder level deeper than it should have been, so I hit the Debian official forum looking for help. Well about ten pages of flame war later (I didn't start it, I got flamed for asking for assistance then the flame war erupted between the ****heads with the RTFM responses, none of which had anything to do with my problem) I had determined two things. First, Linux users are arrogant *******s. Second, Linux users are arrogant *******s. So I decided to stop being an *******, wiped the drive, installed Windows, and haven't used Linux for anything but the lulz since. Every couple of years I'll install whatever the latest hotness is and marvel at how little has changed before quickly growing bored and reclaiming that drive space.
And that's the story of why I use Win10. I can't be bothered to waste time or energy on conf files or compiling or any of that ****. I use an OS to get **** done, not to use an OS.
I use Ubuntu for work because it gets out of my way and doesn't interrupt me. And to pigeon hole all Linux users as arrogant *******s.. well if you feel that way I feel sorry for you.
I use Ubuntu for work because it gets out of my way and doesn't interrupt me. And to pigeon hole all Linux users as arrogant *******s.. well if you feel that way I feel sorry for you.
Do you feel personally attacked? :p
I have never officially joined the Linux community or Linux sub-community,
I have never officially joined the Linux community or Linux sub-community,
Over the past 20 years, I took halting steps to move into the Linux universe. A few stabs at Ubuntu at first, a few years apart, then a real go at OpenSUSE, and then Mint.
I can say for a fact that the online "Help" forums were generally not - welcoming
Very often when I submitted a question, responses ranged from marginally (and grudgingly) helpful to snarky and condescending. Often my question was disregarded and something altogether different was suggested which was not viable for hardware, software, or knowledge reasons. The Ubuntu forums were not too terrible but often failed to help me.
The OpenSUSE forum (which I attempted about a decade ago) was the most horrific forum that I have ever encountered online (but from my sheltered position I don't go to many forums anyway) and almost entirely useless. Besides seldom responding to the question that I had actually asked, the comments were often given in highly clipped, highly technical snippets of technobabble that they knew I would not be able to use. If I dared to ask again, I was usually flamed unmercifully and then dismissed with no answer at all.
After that I came back to Linux Mint which I found easily manageable and with the kindest and most helpful forum of any of the Linux groups that I tried, and I do not plan to bother venturing out again.
No. I have never officially joined the Linux community or Linux sub-community, so I do not feel like your reply attacks me personally. But I do feel like you're jumping to conclusions by calling all Linux users arseholes due to your anecdotal experience in attempting to diagnose an issue via Debian forum(s). I would like to more specific details as to why you feel this way. Thank you for separating out my reply by the way, it makes it easier to respond to your reply.
I'll admit tho, there were times when I missed Windows 10/Fusion 360 when I was using Blender 3D.
I once destroyed a Debian install by following the official major update routine exactly.It happens, it also happens on Windows, this isn't a Linux specific issue by any means.
First, Linux users are arrogant *******s.Editing config files? Not much since Systemd became the norm and that's been years now.
marvel at how little has changed before quickly growing bored
I can't be bothered to waste time or energy on conf files or compiling or any of that ****. I use an OS to get **** done, not to use an OS.
Over the past 20 years, I took halting steps to move into the Linux universe. A few stabs at Ubuntu at first, a few years apart, then a real go at OpenSUSE, and then Mint.
After that I came back to Linux Mint which I found easily manageable and with the kindest and most helpful forum of any of the Linux groups that I tried, and I do not plan to bother venturing out again.
I once destroyed a Debian install by following the official major update routine exactly. The updater decided the best way to update the OS was to copy literally everything on my hard drive into /etc recursively. By this I mean it did a fresh install but every single existing folder was moved into /etc and then if you went into the /etc from the previous install you were kicked back to the /etc from the previous install which kicked you back to the/etc from the previous install which...I will start by saying that i am a linux user, i only use windows at work and then i have a linux VM on it because sometimes i do need linux to do things than i would need to pay to do on windows.
Keep in mind, I'd been using various Linux distros exclusively for about four years. I knew what I was doing. The update tool hashed my system. I figured there was a way to untangle this mess with a few commands since everything was there, just smashed one folder level deeper than it should have been, so I hit the Debian official forum looking for help. Well about ten pages of flame war later (I didn't start it, I got flamed for asking for assistance then the flame war erupted between the ****heads with the RTFM responses, none of which had anything to do with my problem) I had determined two things. First, Linux users are arrogant *******s. Second, Linux users are arrogant *******s. So I decided to stop being an *******, wiped the drive, installed Windows, and haven't used Linux for anything but the lulz since. Every couple of years I'll install whatever the latest hotness is and marvel at how little has changed before quickly growing bored and reclaiming that drive space.
And that's the story of why I use Win10. I can't be bothered to waste time or energy on conf files or compiling or any of that ****. I use an OS to get **** done, not to use an OS.
MoreI tried to access the files when the unit displayed as USB but when I tried to acces the main user folder it didn't allow me because it didn't had the rights to do so and ejected the unit.
You seem to know your way arround this things, how do you go about the backup?
You can use the Windows properties to take ownership, however it's a bit flaky and a pain in the neck. There is a registry hack that adds a "take Ownership" dialog to the right click menu that makes it so much easier. However nothing is foolproof with MS, I'm not sure why they make this stuff so hard. The most foolproof way is to boot into a Linux boot disk and copy the files out as it just ignores all the security of Windows. I recommend always keeping a bootable copy of Ubuntu or Mint handy.
As for knowing my way around I get paid to fix Windows.
Here's my personal backup system.
Linux - Kbackup
Mac - BackupList+
Windows - Allway Sync
With all 3 you can dump to an external drive or a shared folder, in my case I dump to a folder on my file server (a headless mini desktop with a large drive). Because these programs only do necessary data, they are a bit more difficult to get started (and restore since that is done manually in most cases) but your backups are much smaller and easily verified. My file server contains my personal documents and such, not the desktop, this way they are shared and I can turn off the desktop at night. Not only does this make file sharing easy between all my systems but actually saves money on my power bill as the server only uses about 15-20 watts of power.
I have 3 stages of backup.
Primary backup - Google drive, this gets the most important, can't be replaced stuff.
Secondary backup - Mega, it has no revisions but it's large and is a good off-site backup. This has harder but not impossible to replace stuff.
External drive - everything else. This has multimedia, desktop/laptop backups, installers, iso's, etc...
I actually have my Google Drive folder inside my Mega folder (which is on the file server) so Mega backs up Google stuff as well, then everything gets backed up to a local external drive. This means my important stuff has 4 copies (laptop, Google, Mega, local external), secondary has 3 (laptop, Mega, local external) and the less important, easily replaced stuff has 2 copies (server and local external). I pay nothing for cloud storage. The computer backups take about 2-3 minutes (I could automate it but meh), the server I just plug in the external and it automatically does it's thing in about 15 minutes, less if I do it frequently, while Google and Mega do theirs 24/7 in the background.
This probably sounds odd and convoluted so here's the why and how.
Google Drive has no Linux client (despite repeatedly claiming they would) and the 3rd party ones are not great except for one you pay for, however Mega's client works great on Linux, Mac or Windows, and since my Google folder is inside my Mega folder I only need to run one client (Mega) on the laptop regardless of what OS it's running (Linux or Mac) to sync both and allow access while on the road (I may switch this to just cloud access rather than having it download local copies soon, sort of like Google Drive on your phone). My file server (Windows) runs both Mega and Google Drive, and my desktop (Linux) runs neither, it just accesses the copies on the file server through the network (as does the laptop while home). This all means that I can reload the laptop, media player or desktop or anything else I'm playing with and not only does all my data remain accessible at all times it also allows them to be OS agnostic and keeps my systems light and easy to backup, usually 2-4gigs at most. Also despite being Windows, the file server is almost entirely immune to viruses because it's headless (no one uses it to browse) and there's no other Windows system on the network to spread an infection to it.
Oh boy, the Linux apologists are here.you manage to see that you are insulting a whole community because of a bad experience years ago? and that you get pissy when called out. you are exactly what you say you despise... sad but then what can we expect online?
I'm out, have fun.
Oh boy, the Linux apologists are here.
I'm out, have fun.
Oh boy, the Linux apologists are here.
I'm out, have fun.
The thread was created by a Linux user.
Inspired by the open Source Sucks (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88141.0) thread...
This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while.
Do you guys like win10 or do you just use it because you were forced to?
I don't think I've ever gotten to work on a Win10 system that was working at normal speed unless I've hacked it to hell to disable updates and such. That's not an exaggeration, however you have to bear in mind, I mostly get to use it when new and still getting updates or it's broken since I only use it on other people's computers (I'm an independent tech). This leads me to wonder though, does it ever run good, or are people just tolerating it?
Edit:
I'm not trying to use this as prelude to a bash, I genuinely want to know why people like and use it. I just want to understand because I really don't get it. Have I missed something?
Your monitor has optical toslink ?
It's not as obvious in Windows, but your GPU has a sound card in it and the output goes through the DisplayPort or HDMI port.
You've bypassed onboard sound and your optical system, you're using the GPU based sound card.
It must be transferring that signal from optical and making it HDMI somehow because the input device is only linked through an optical cable directly to my mobo's input. It's a very weird setup, and I don't understand why none of the Win sound options have any effect whatsoever. It doesn't even detect the input at all, but somehow translates it only when the speaker jack is in the monitor.Ahhh Windows, you never cease to amaze me at what stupid things you can do.
Also It's using DVI
is this motherboard toslink ? or a sound card ?
Time it takes Win 7 to just open a picture in the picture viewer:well the time for windows to send your photo to MS :) (ok only a joke)
>6 seconds
Time it takes Win 10 to open any picture in Win Photo Viewer:
27 seconds, just to open a picture. **** right off
Time it takes Win 7 to just open a picture in the picture viewer:
>6 seconds
Time it takes Win 10 to open any picture in Win Photo Viewer:
27 seconds, just to open a picture. **** right off
Time it takes Win 7 to just open a picture in the picture viewer:
>6 seconds
Time it takes Win 10 to open any picture in Win Photo Viewer:
27 seconds, just to open a picture. **** right off
Windows 11 forces grouped taskbar and removed the ability to ungroup and use labeled individual windows. Terrible workflow for me as I like to be able to jump to specific windows quickly. Not sure why they want the macOS UI so badly, or why they can't leave the options that Windows 10 has in place.I don't know the name of it but there is a plugin to fix some of your taskbar complaints.
Fortunately Linux Xfce desktop environment still provides exactly the experience I like most.
Windows 11 forces grouped taskbar and removed the ability to ungroup and use labeled individual windows. Terrible workflow for me as I like to be able to jump to specific windows quickly. Not sure why they want the macOS UI so badly, or why they can't leave the options that Windows 10 has in place.I don't know the name of it but there is a plugin to fix some of your taskbar complaints.
Fortunately Linux Xfce desktop environment still provides exactly the experience I like most.
The rest though, absolutely valid.
Thanks for the tip. My only experience with UI changes to Windows has been pretty poor as it caused strange issues, so I try to leave it stock (other than PowerToys), but needs-must and all!You're welcome.
I'm also a bit surprised that they're moving on from Windows 10 given that they seemed to suggest it would be rolling releases from 10 on out, which would make sense considering how slowly things change these days (granted that was never going to last forever). If they let me have a more classic taskbar experience and don't rule out my 4th-gen i7, that'd be great.
As a side note, I tried to install an update on a Macbook Air the other day to Big Sur through the app store, and it failed... now it won't boot and reinstalling through the system restore keeps failing. Why do I ever apply updates :rolleyes:
im just straight up too stupid to swap to linux or any other superior operating system and like how most softwares and apps support win10 or are made for it, definitely think its worth it to learn about linux and maybe swap sometime but for now I just like the compatibility of win10 with having to use a VM or anything like thatIt's not a matter of superiority, they all have pros and cons.
You're welcome.
Yep, any change to the UI (can and often does) lead to stability issues.
I'm not the least surprised they moved on from Win10, I was shocked they even floated the idea without it being software as a service first. Regardless, they may not have had plans to move on but a few things happened. The first was the failed dual screen laptop project, it's what lead to the UI of Win 11, they spent a lot on it and someone probably realized they could recoup that money with a new OS. While they could have rolled it into Win10, that's a pretty dramatic UI shift, so it kind of makes sense to release it fresh. The other part is obviously money, offering it as a new OS means more money, for them and for OEMs.
While those things sound good, from their perspective at least, it also lets them correct what I consider a major, major mistake and that is offering Win10 in 32bit.
Win 10 should NEVER have been released as 32bit, 64bit CPU support had been common for over 10 years and by offering 32bit, especially perpetually, it meant supporting two systems and all that comes with it, perpetually. Even worse, Win10 and 11 REALLY do need 8gb minimum ram which 32bit can't even support (it could but it doesn't). Yes, I know the spec says 1.5gb (win10) and 4gb (modern Win10 and 11) and while they can physically run on those numbers it;s painful, especially if you open a browser. Even 8gigs is a stretch, heck even 16 is rough at times and while 32gb is not the answer (it doesn't help as much as people think). Allowing 4gb or less is just stupid.
I don't agree with the TPM requirement, especially considering how last minute all of Win11 was but I do agree they needed to let go of some stuff. In a traditional release they would have let manufacturers know more than a year or more in advance to prep for that major of a change and they didn't. They were told to start implementing or that they should start to implement it, but not that it would be required, remember, "Win10 is the last Windows" so why should they make a change that requires testing and money to make that change. You heard about Win11 and the requirements the same day most vendors did, which is insane. When people ask why I say Win11 was rushed, this is why. It's not that the OS itself was rushed, it's Win10 underneath, it was the idea to bring it to market and with these requirements that was rushed.
Regarding your Mac
I firmly believe Apple put all Mac development into ARM and left everything Intel to fall by the wayside for years. Intel Mac software probably peaked around El Cap or Sierra (at least in my use case) and it's been downhill ever since. I don't expect it to get any better on ARM considering where Apple is headed, I see the Ipad Pro as the blueprint for future Macs.
for naught.
I'm not sure why they would need to support 32-bit hardware at this point. I do like that 64-bit Windows runs 32-bit applications no problem... something I rather like about Windows is I can very reliably run very old, even ancient software without issue. Meanwhile on Apple, every single year macOS updates seem to break everything, even parts of the Adobe suite. :eek: Forget about running any kind of "old" software!I only meant ending 32bit hardware support.
I can't say I'm fond of the direction either Microsoft or Apple are heading. Forced/permanent/broken updates are the bane of my existence these days... and to think I used to be an early adopter and excited at the newest updates. I did read that "older" CPUs will be able to run Windows 11, but it's not a direct upgrade path unless you're 8th gen Intel or newer. Seems silly to me as for many people and purposes, there's very little benefit to replace their whole computer. I look at my campus and think of the thousands of computers that would will need to be replaced when they aren't breaking a sweat with their tasks now. It would be such a shame to render them e-waste for naught.
a bit late, but MS had to support 32bits as they sold with a few PC brands 32bits PC with windows 10, i have a Medion from that era, it is actually not a 32bits CPU but it is a 32bits bios and windows 10 in a 32GB eMMC and 2GB of ram, no 64bits OS can boot on it... i am guessing most of them have gone to e-waste anyway by now though, as since 2020 (maybe before, i had not used it in a long while) an update keeps forcing itself on mine a bricking it because 32GB is not enough to fully install it...I'm not sure why they would need to support 32-bit hardware at this point. I do like that 64-bit Windows runs 32-bit applications no problem... something I rather like about Windows is I can very reliably run very old, even ancient software without issue. Meanwhile on Apple, every single year macOS updates seem to break everything, even parts of the Adobe suite. :eek: Forget about running any kind of "old" software!I only meant ending 32bit hardware support.
I can't say I'm fond of the direction either Microsoft or Apple are heading. Forced/permanent/broken updates are the bane of my existence these days... and to think I used to be an early adopter and excited at the newest updates. I did read that "older" CPUs will be able to run Windows 11, but it's not a direct upgrade path unless you're 8th gen Intel or newer. Seems silly to me as for many people and purposes, there's very little benefit to replace their whole computer. I look at my campus and think of the thousands of computers that would will need to be replaced when they aren't breaking a sweat with their tasks now. It would be such a shame to render them e-waste for naught.
32bit software is already either depricated or virtualized in 64bit Windows, these days it actually runs better on Linux (and sometimes Mac!). I've heard rumors of people running 32bit software in WINE through the Linux subsystem on Windows and gotten better performance than just running it straight on Windows. This can be easily seen on some older games such as Command and Conquer which not only run faster but also more stable.
Older cpus do work on Win11 but they'll be getting a watermark similar to non-activated Win10 does on the desktop saying it's not compatible. The purpose was to keep shops from selling older systems as Win11 compatible, which as you just said is BS, it works, right? MS claims the TPM requirement made crashes far less common, I don't see how, but they no sooner bragged about this and released an update that took down a bunch of systems like the biggest reason for crashes on Win10 and 11 is Microsoft. Someone will come up with a hack to hide it making the whole thing useless so really what was the point other than to annoy customers? Money and new system sales, that's really all it boils down to. They make nothing on people getting a free OS upgrade but a new system means a new OEM license gets sold.
I'd love to see schools take a few of those older systems and transition them to Linux (maybe even Chrome), there's going to be a ton of incompatible Win11 systems headed for e-waste that could be acquired for cheap/free in the near future.
a bit late, but MS had to support 32bits as they sold with a few PC brands 32bits PC with windows 10, i have a Medion from that era, it is actually not a 32bits CPU but it is a 32bits bios and windows 10 in a 32GB eMMC and 2GB of ram, no 64bits OS can boot on it... i am guessing most of them have gone to e-waste anyway by now though, as since 2020 (maybe before, i had not used it in a long while) an update keeps forcing itself on mine a bricking it because 32GB is not enough to fully install it...
and sadly for schools MS have contracts with education to ensure this does not happen, i know that there was at least one with the french ministry of education while i was at school and i am guessing that it is like that in a few countries (from what i read it was MS gives free windows and office to school and student for exclusivity in education, guarantying a good user-base for the future).
MS is fighting a losing battle for schools, Chrome is KILLING them.in France MS Windows is the exclusive OS for all public schools, nothing else in sight, some private schools do use apples or linux machines but even there Chromebooks are extremely rare, and the MS education thing will still give a free windows and office license to those students. maybe MS is losing the battle in the US and it is kinda a good thing, it may force them to make a decent OS to compete for once.