Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:13:14
(https://i.imgur.com/32hIztZ.png) (http://bit.ly/GMKSerika)
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/P6wIpsNoRCqklbBFuJpZ_serika_07.png)
Want to support this project? Vote here! (http://bit.ly/SerikaPoll)
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Available kits
CORE
Composed by 146 keycaps, this kit is the starting point for everyone, and provides great coverage for
many boards including Nemo, Uniqey’s C70, Leopold’s FC660 & FC980, TADA68, 96-key layouts, as
well as winkeyless boards. All of them in both ANSI and ISO layouts. The Core kit already comes
with 2.25U, and 1.75U SHIFT keys. One 7.00U and two 6.00U spacebars (one with a centered
stem and the other one with an off-centered one) have also been included. The set will come with a
custom packaging.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/qFAzzjdRR3agVdyV2cmU_Serika_01_CORE.png)
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_banderole_3.png)
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(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_banderole_1.png)
40s
This add-on kit covers 40% keyboard layouts and some 60% such as the GK64, Minorca, Sebright, JD40, and
Planck (both in MIT and GRID layout). 40s comes with many accent keys as well as 1.00U
and 2.00U convex keycaps.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/wsdu8XwVQPawMtd8pZJu_Serika_02_40S.png)
MICONS
This add-on kit features a minimalistic set of doubleshot modifiers designed by MiTo. It provides enough keycaps
to cover 60% and 65% (including the C70) boards both in ANSI and ISO layouts.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/hXbkHCzmTp6JQ7fNHBQ3_Serika_03_MICONS.png)
GEOMETRIES
This kit features a set of geometric designs with impossible geometries. The set also includes
a Massdrop and Uniqey keycap.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/vOgLfAIQjWEGBcPjrXrA_Serika_04_GEOMETRIES.png)
ERGODOX
The Ergodox kit provides a set of blank keycaps that allow you to cover
and Ergodox layout. The kit includes six R2/3 2.00U keycaps.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/HXmkDEzQ6yfOx3hXMvzO_Serika_05_ERGODOX.png)
SPACEBARS
This kit consists of a set of dark grey spacebars including 1.00U and 2.00U convex keycaps; R4 1.25U,
1.75U, 2.25U and 2.75U keycaps, 6.00U off-center and center stem, plus 6.25U and 7.00U spacebars.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/7xo1IjlkQe8PuL3Sglgg_Serika_06_SPACEBARS.png)
Gallery
Nemo by Zambumon
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/N1uH8oDRtyGzXzilrf1y_serika_06.png)
Uniqey C70
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Tokyo60 by TokyoCoffeeNerd
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_tokyo60_3.png)
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_tokyo60_2.png)
M65-A by RAMA.WORKS
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_5.png)
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_6.png)
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_2.png)
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TKL
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/AYR61VxwRmVoHWjaE857_serika_03.png)
96
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/cg0bvE49Rsm0HvlUuphO_serika_01.png)
Technical Specs
- Original Cherry Corp profile (1-2-3-4-4)
- High quality doubleshot thick ABS keycaps. With 1.5mm ABS plastic and doubleshot legends that
will never fade. - MX Stem compatible.
- Made in Germany by GMK electronic design GmbH
- Compatible with many layouts including Minorca, Sebright, Nemo, Tokyo60, Uniqey C70,
FC660, FC980, Duck Lightsaver, HHKB, WKL, 65%, 75%, TX-CP, Thesiscamper’s Kira, Planck,
Ergodox, and more! - Renders, packaging & novelties by Zambumon.
Frequent Asked Questions
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Does [insert kit] include [insert keycap]?
All kits include only the keys pictured, with a visual aid for its keysize.
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Does the core kit include scooped F & J keys?
Yes, it includes both scooped and barred F & J keycaps.
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How do I fill my keyboard?
You’ll need a Core kit, and it is essential to cover any layouts. For most keyboards, such as Nemo,
Tokyo60, Anne Pro, Pok3r, Uniqey C70, Leopold FC660M, Duck Wiper, Tada68, Percent Canøe,
Duck Octagon, Drevo 84, Percent Skøg, Masterkeys Pro S, TX-CP, Leopold FC980M, Cherry G80-1813,
Kira, RS96, or a Duck Lightsaver, this is the only kit that you’ll need. There are a couple exceptions:
- Ergodox users will just need the Ergodox kit
- GK64, Minorca, Sebright, and Planck users will need to add a 40s kit.
- Split spacebar keyboards (Banana60, VE.A) should grab either the spacebar kit or the 40s kit.
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Which keyboards can I cover with Micons?
You can cover the modifier keys of most 60% and 65% including Nemo, Tokyo60, Tada68, or even Uniqey C70.
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Is this keyset fully compatible with the Corsair Strafe, Fnatic Gear Rush, or Razer’s keyboards?
No. These keyboards have a non-standard bottom row with 6.50U spacebar.
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Is this keyset fully compatible with the Mistel Barocco 60%, Filco Minila, or Filco Minila Air?
Can you add a 3U & 4U spacebars to the spacebars kit?
No. These keyboards use 3.00U, 3.25U, or 4.00U spacebars and aren’t that common.
It would require GMK to make new molds to cover those three boards.
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Do the keys support backlighting?
No. These keycaps do not support backlighting as they are made out of two different opaque plastics.
However, you can get with them an awesome underglow effect.
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lwrgorl.jpg)
Credit: mindxthinker
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Why no ISO kit?
The base kit comes with Hiragana and Latin legends, and unless new molds are made, it would break the set's aesthetic.
There are no plans to include a Nordic and German kit.
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Which vendor do you plan to use for Serika’s Group Buy?
Massdrop. They have recently delivered well over 2000 Nautilus orders, shipping them on time, and with
marginal (to none) issues. On top of that, they are working hard to give better and more transparent
post-drop updates (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-matt3o-devtty-custom-keycap-set/talk/1976804?mode=guest_open&referer=PK526G).
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How much will it cost?
Prices should be similar to previous GMK sets such as Nautilus, Yuri, or Laser.
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When will I be able to get this set?
It depends on you. (http://bit.ly/SerikaPoll)
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I’m concerned about the final colors, how will you ensure that they’ll be the close to the renders?
GMK and I are taking extra steps to make sure that everything goes right, as we know that yellow is a
tricky color and getting the perfect colors will be super important for this set. This is why GMK and I have
been using a Pantone and RAL color chart to define which custom colors are going to be used. Samples are on my
way and we’ll do as many takes as needed to get the perfect colors.
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Why is the 40s kit an add-on and not a part of the core?
A separate add-on kit allows me to get a better layout coverage and accent keys while keeping the core
kit’s price down.
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$[insert price] for ABS? No way I’m paying for that.
There are many high-quality product made in ABS that people love such as LEGO, or GMK keycaps. GMK
makes thick, doubleshot keycaps (their legends are sharp and will never fade). If you haven’t tried these
keycaps before: they get through an excellent quality control, their legends are consistent, they are perfect
for long typing sessions, and they sound fantastic.
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Can you add the GMK Nautilus style ergodox keys with the doubleshot legends?
Despite of Nautilus’ hype and how great was having doubleshot legends on an ergodox, some people were
discouraged by the first tier price point and decided not to get one.
For Serika, I’d prefer to keep it as it is for now.
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Are there any story behind the keycap color way and the novelties?
In August 2016, just after The Amazing Chocolatier’s drop ended, I started working on two new sets. One of
those was Nautilus, which was finished first, and the other one was an unnamed set that later became Serika.
While working on Nautilus, I had something very clear: I wanted to work on a less flashy and more subtle
color way but without falling into the “boring” tag. I also wanted to make a set were yellow was the main
actor and not just an accent (like in Chocolatier or Nautilus). For the alphas, I had obviously go for
something lighter, so I opted for a white (with a tint of beige). And that’s how the colorway was decided.
Fast forward to Novemeber 2017, just before Nautilus started shipping, I started working again on the set.
There were two unfinished issues: its name and the novelties. The name issue was solved quite fast.
Like many others on this community I’m also interested in space exploration (Godspeed, and Yuri), so I
paid an homage to the Space Brother’s manga and named the set after fictional astronaut Itou Serika.
As for the novelties, unlike previous sets, I wanted to keep them simple and more abstract, so I went for
something that I was already interested in: impossible geometric figures, such as the Penrose triangle.
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Could you split the keycaps in more kits?
No, GMK has a 150 minimum order quantity for any purchase order (250 if you use custom colors), and
their prices scale down quite well the more sets are sold. This is the reason why all GMK sets have a big
base kit that covers most layouts, as it makes things easier for everyone and minimizes the risk of not
having your keyboard layout covered.
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Who did the renders?
Me.
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Post by: xondat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:16:16
Post by: bluesclera on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:23:04
Post by: vewy_nice on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:24:11
I like yellow a lot, but I have SO MANY keysets...
Maybe.
I'm definitely going to buy like 3 of the novelty kits. I'm getting a penrose triangle tattoo soon.
Post by: Chimera on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:31:14
Post by: noSatellite on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:32:50
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:32:54
Post by: Myoth on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:38:15
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:41:49
needs yellow space bar
The accent color for this keyset is dark grey,and since I don't want to add more keycpas spacebars kit, that would require a second spacebar kit.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:45:59
pleeeaaaase Icon Mods, I can't stand the 1.25u shift with this legend, it just looks so bad
The only way I'd offer any icon mods would be on an add-on kit for blocknet.
Post by: MajorKoos on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:53:12
Post by: futurecrime on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:54:31
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:57:24
Are the alphas custom colour? I'm wondering if I could use the DC kit with any other sets...
Both alphas and modifiers are custom colors and I'm currently waiting for them to arrive.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 01 March 2018, 14:52:27
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 01 March 2018, 15:24:48
but yellow is my favorite color, so i endorse this set
Post by: zappysnap on Thu, 01 March 2018, 20:38:05
Post by: Geek Maker on Thu, 01 March 2018, 21:34:35
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 01 March 2018, 21:41:08
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:17:59
Great colors, very classy take on yellow. I like the alphas and the dark gray.
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
i actually like this idea a lot
pad print or side print
Post by: xondat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:32:55
Great colors, very classy take on yellow. I like the alphas and the dark gray.
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
Feel like this is more a "hey this is happening" than a feedback thing, but interesting concept. Any examples of what you were thinking? :D
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:39:11
Post by: bminhz on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:47:44
Post by: kmba on Fri, 02 March 2018, 07:15:45
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 02 March 2018, 07:28:39
You already know but fantastic job as always.
:thumb:I'm just trying to do better than last time.
really like the mods, but i think the alphas are a little boring
That's completely fair. This set is on the opposite side of Chocolatier or Nautilus, which are very fancy and they could even be considered as flashy sets, so for many it will be under the boring side, which many people like too! Maybe we could spice those alphas adding some extra kit ;)
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:26:18
Great colors, very classy take on yellow. I like the alphas and the dark gray.
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
I'd prefer to avoid pad printing at all costs and just have everything doubleshot.
Post by: cdn-mini on Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:38:30
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:46:05
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
Just because he hasn't taken any suggestions thus far doesn't mean he's not taking suggestions. If someone comes up with one that's valid for his design, I'm sure that he'll take it. Many are just used to designers catering to the community rather than bringing a strong design to the community. And this one is pretty strong as is- the benefit of experience.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:51:12
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
And lose all of the free hype and awareness that can be raised from having a proper IC despite the design being (more or less) final? Haha good one.
Post by: bluesclera on Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:52:13
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:57:55
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
How to fail a GB in one single step, a guide by cdn-mini.
Post by: cdn-mini on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:06:14
Post by: kmba on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:06:57
Pad printing is a horrible idea and should be dismissed. Icon mods are not that popular and shouldn't be automatically incorporated because one person asked for it.. that's a huge change to the overall set. Spacebars are rarely offered in modifier color because it looks funny. They're usually alpha color, and accent color for good reason.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:10:20
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
Just because I did a lot of work before posting anything and have a clear idea of what I'd want to do doesn't mean that I'm not caring about the feedback.
For instance, before starting the thread on Geekhack, I did adjustments on two kits (40s and Ergodox) based on some reasonable suggestions.
Also, you should read between lines to this posts I've made:
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I'd prefer to avoid pad printing at all costs and just have everything doubleshot.
Means: instead of using pad printing legends for a let's say Heisei kit, I'd prefer to do doubleshot keycaps.
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The only way I'd offer any icon mods would be on an add-on kit for blocknet.
Means: While preparing the IC, I considered adding Blocknet to the set, but I need to see if there's enough interest on this set to justify its addition.
I wrote that because I want to make sure that nothing here is rushed and everything can be made.
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:10:43
Meh, doubt Massdrop will show intrested, GMK is for broke ass losers.
> The higher quality keycaps of the most liked profile (showed by multiple questionnaires)
> Probably the most liked manifacturer
> GMK is for broke ass losers
You never disappoint, stay a wonderful clown, buddy
Post by: ppp on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:12:11
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:23:22
Meh, doubt Massdrop will show intrested, GMK is for broke ass losers.
If I hadn't had unfortunate encounters with you in the past I'd say that's a blatant troll. The fact I'm inclined to think it isn't is extremely concerning. We already have Giorgio, we don't need you too. Please relax.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:59:12
Meh, doubt Massdrop will show intrested, GMK is for broke ass losers.I'd say that's a blatant troll.
That turned out to be an apt description.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Fri, 02 March 2018, 13:13:46
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Post by: odd on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:13:09
Also your 40's kit add on should be a option for every future GMK set,its perfect and 40 percent keyboards are not as rare as they used to be.
Post by: rmendis on Fri, 02 March 2018, 19:59:33
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Post by: Sylvestyeo on Sat, 03 March 2018, 02:34:20
Post by: Muffin_Smasher on Sat, 03 March 2018, 03:11:35
If blocknet were offered i would grab one, i like this set either way though.
Edit: Just wanted to add i think the Nemo looks great!
Post by: YisSerL on Sat, 03 March 2018, 08:56:48
Post by: hervuli on Sat, 03 March 2018, 09:12:00
Post by: gutsack on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:38:20
Post by: Fooblitzky on Sat, 03 March 2018, 18:07:07
The more I look at it, the more I like it. I hope this set happens. It might mix and match well with grey alphas too?
But I always throw away my GMK boxes to save space...now I can't? Hmm. :mad:
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 03 March 2018, 20:05:23
I love this, and would be thrilled if those geometric novelties made it in. Not enough yellow love. =)
I'm glad that there's enough interest for the novelties. I'd like to keep the kit as small as possible and avoid making lots of new legends, but I'll consider adding more to the kit.
Please add R1 backspace key. Its seems every set skips that key except the sets jchan offer on his site.
Most people that split the backspace go with the R2 1.5U backspace. I don't think a lot of people would use them.
Post by: Atredl on Sun, 04 March 2018, 20:21:39
What about ISO and JIS users? It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.Please add R1 backspace key. Its seems every set skips that key except the sets jchan offer on his site.
Most people that split the backspace go with the R2 1.5U backspace. I don't think a lot of people would use them.
Post by: macclack on Sun, 04 March 2018, 20:48:26
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 05 March 2018, 08:47:27
What about ISO and JIS users?
All of the ISO layouts use a 2.00U spacebar. As for JIS, we would still need some extra caps (on the bottom row and one on the 4th row) to properly cover that layout.
It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.
That wouldn't help to properly cover standalone numpads. You'd need to add to that a R1 1.00U Tab, R1 1.00U =, an extra R1 1.00U ESC (Both in yellow and grey, to keep consistency) as well as a R4 1.00U. 00.
Tha being said, if I get the greenlight to add "Blocknet" AKA Micons there would be some room for that key on the kit.
Post by: dr-slump on Mon, 05 March 2018, 11:31:59
Beige: check
Accents: check
Norde: CHECK
I'M definitely in !
Post by: elfick on Mon, 05 March 2018, 13:42:39
Post by: airyloft on Mon, 05 March 2018, 13:47:07
Post by: xondat on Mon, 05 March 2018, 13:49:07
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Biggest reach unfortunately.
Post by: noSatellite on Mon, 05 March 2018, 13:52:16
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Biggest reach unfortunately.
Honest question, and genuinely curious as I don't know the history here - why is Massdrop held is low regard in this community?
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 05 March 2018, 14:04:59
Since it isn't part of the MD vote I'd like to voice my support for a blocknet/micon kit for this set. :thumb:
Please, don't add it as an option to the poll for now, I'll add it myself once I get permission and renders done.
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
That has been already answered in the FAQ.
Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 05 March 2018, 17:38:31
congratulations, i hope it is a success
KMK labs
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 07 March 2018, 20:16:46
Post by: Allo on Thu, 08 March 2018, 21:18:53
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Biggest reach unfortunately.
Honest question, and genuinely curious as I don't know the history here - why is Massdrop held is low regard in this community?
They had some issues with past keyset drops. Delays and sometimes people not getting what they ordered. They have been pretty good with the last few sets, e.g. GMK Yuri, GMK Nautilus, XDA Godspeed.
Post by: foxlive on Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:00:20
Edit: I don't know if it is possible, but since the theme is "geometric", could it be possible to change the font used , to maybe something more modern and symetrical, with centered character?
Post by: ppp on Fri, 09 March 2018, 08:09:48
Nice looking keyset. But.. I would say I was really hyped by your banner, logo and all the graphical around this SERIKA (the box is amazing) but I think the keyset is very "classical", just a color scheme, few novelties, and the classical gmk look (that I personnaly don't really like xD!). I want to see what the mito icons can look like on it :D !
Edit: I don't know if it is possible, but since the theme is "geometric", could it be possible to change the font used , to maybe something more modern and symetrical, with centered character?
I think Zambumon likes keeping costs low and these suggestions sound pretty expensive..
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 09 March 2018, 09:57:48
Regarding the novelties, the more novelties we add, the more the kit costs. There's a decent amount of novelties on this set, so you can expect from me to do some minor tweaks but I don't want to end up with a $50 Novelty kit.
As for the font changes there are and won't be any plans to make a new font for this set. It would make the set quite expensive and lots of new molds would need to be done and tested.
Post by: manzel on Tue, 13 March 2018, 04:21:14
Post by: foxlive on Tue, 13 March 2018, 07:40:44
The keyset has a colorway that tries to balance modern and more classic design, so for some people this would fall under the "boring" category. I've received the approval from MiTo to test some of his Micons on this set. Both Hiragana and Micons kits will be posted at the same time, so please be a little bit patient about this update as I have to tweak some details before posting anything.I understand your point of view. I want to see what it will give with Hiragana and Micons :) !
Regarding the novelties, the more novelties we add, the more the kit costs. There's a decent amount of novelties on this set, so you can expect from me to do some minor tweaks but I don't want to end up with a $50 Novelty kit.
As for the font changes there are and won't be any plans to make a new font for this set. It would make the set quite expensive and lots of new molds would need to be done and tested.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 13 March 2018, 08:49:51
TL;DR: they are close but not a perfect match with the reference color, but I'm very confident that with a second round of samples we'll get a perfect match.
Locking the thread for now, will unlocked it for kit updates.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 15 March 2018, 10:34:31
Here is a sneak peak of Serika with Hiragana on a Tokyo60
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/tokyo60_hiragana.png)
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 18 March 2018, 07:40:30
Hiragana
(https://i.imgur.com/bHWXgUe.png)
I've marked in red some of the new additions to the Hiragana kit. Now, it includes all the secondary legends that were missing previously, punctuation signs and japanese quotation marks. Although I'm not going for a complete JIS coverage (given that it we'd need a completely different custom row and more keys), to me it felt wrong that some of the hiragana legends were missing so I decided to fix those.
Micons
(https://i.imgur.com/DbZMDgQ.png)
Micons offer a solution to the icon problem, and they fit like a charm with Serika. I've done some small fixes and added 65% layout coverage to this kit, which is pending Mito's approval otherwise, the set should be fairly similar to Laser's Blocknet.
Post by: Kerasan on Sun, 18 March 2018, 09:31:17
Good Work,
Kerasan KM Labs
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 18 March 2018, 09:36:07
Post by: finalarcadia on Sun, 18 March 2018, 09:41:47
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 18 March 2018, 10:34:35
Post by: Kerasan on Sun, 18 March 2018, 10:43:23
Just before somebody asks this: I don't plan to expand the coverage of the Micons kit. The goal adding these four keys is to continue to ease the path for a full Micon base kit.
it would be great, I approve
Kerasan KMK Labs.
Post by: Solotov on Sun, 18 March 2018, 10:56:06
Post by: Max_P0 on Sun, 18 March 2018, 11:11:21
Post by: packman86 on Sun, 18 March 2018, 11:17:53
Post by: xondat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 11:40:25
Serika color samples have arrived.I've published on my blog a post about them. (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/13/serika-update-1/)
TL;DR: they are close but not a perfect match with the reference color, but I'm very confident that with a second round of samples we'll get a perfect match.
Locking the thread for now, will unlocked it for kit updates.
That color turned out really good. Hopefully the GB doesn't get scuffed like other custom color buys.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 18 March 2018, 11:51:21
Would love to join if there is "Pure Hiragana" set. Will you provide that as an option as well?
No, I'm not considering doing a pure hiragana., it would split the sales and make things more costly, which is what happened with Red Samurai.
Serika color samples have arrived.I've published on my blog a post about them. (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/13/serika-update-1/)
TL;DR: they are close but not a perfect match with the reference color, but I'm very confident that with a second round of samples we'll get a perfect match.
Locking the thread for now, will unlocked it for kit updates.
That color turned out really good. Hopefully the GB doesn't get scuffed like other custom color buys.
I requested new samples for that yellow, tho and provided my own plastic chips. The yellow is very close to be a perfect match.
Will this be going up on MassDrop ?
Yes, that has been already answered on the FAQ of the OP.
Post by: foxlive on Sun, 18 March 2018, 13:52:39
now it cant be said to be a boring keyset
Good Work,
Kerasan KM Labs
Agreed! It look very nice now ;)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 18 March 2018, 14:06:40
Pending approval for the new legends, here are the new two kits for Serika:
HiraganaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bHWXgUe.png)
I've marked in red some of the new additions to the Hiragana kit. Now, it includes all the secondary legends that were missing previously, punctuation signs and japanese quotation marks. Although I'm not going for a complete JIS coverage (given that it we'd need a completely different custom row and more keys), to me it felt wrong that some of the hiragana legends were missing so I decided to fix those.
MiconsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DbZMDgQ.png)
Micons offer a solution to the icon problem, and they fit like a charm with Serika. I've done some small fixes and added 65% layout coverage to this kit, which is pending Mito's approval otherwise, the set should be fairly similar to Laser's Blocknet.
I don't quite get the keys with 2 of the same legend, seems odd to me, but the extension of micons is great. the lack of 65% never made any sense to me.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 18 March 2018, 14:29:15
Pending approval for the new legends, here are the new two kits for Serika:
HiraganaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bHWXgUe.png)
I've marked in red some of the new additions to the Hiragana kit. Now, it includes all the secondary legends that were missing previously, punctuation signs and japanese quotation marks. Although I'm not going for a complete JIS coverage (given that it we'd need a completely different custom row and more keys), to me it felt wrong that some of the hiragana legends were missing so I decided to fix those.
MiconsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DbZMDgQ.png)
Micons offer a solution to the icon problem, and they fit like a charm with Serika. I've done some small fixes and added 65% layout coverage to this kit, which is pending Mito's approval otherwise, the set should be fairly similar to Laser's Blocknet.
I don't quite get the keys with 2 of the same legend, seems odd to me, but the extension of micons is great. the lack of 65% never made any sense to me.
Those are used to create the small sounds. A small "tsu" つ is used for to create a like a mini stop when pronouncing a word.
Some short post about it. (http://ressuns.blogspot.com.es/2009/08/hiragana-exercises-compound-sounds.html)
I'll add this question to the FAQ on my next update.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 19 March 2018, 12:51:28
Why is there a #~ key in the Hiragana kit? the windows layout that all of the other keys match produces the characters \| when pressed. Does windows have some other Japanese layout that would generate the characters #~ as present on the key? As far as I understand # is already on top of 3 and ~ on the left of 1. I would much appreciate it if the set would be accurate to the windows layout that it otherwise does a good job representing. :thumb:
The additional keys to the micons kit is much appreciated and I hope that Mito will approve of them. One could add an ISO enter there though, it seems like a weird thing to omit considering that it is as popular as 1.5U bottom row mods. ;)
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 19 March 2018, 14:53:53
Would it be possible to add the missing three keys to the norde kit, so that it would cover the SWE/FI layout? (§½, 2" and 4¤)
Why is there a #~ key in the Hiragana kit? the windows layout that all of the other keys match produces the characters \| when pressed. Does windows have some other Japanese layout that would generate the characters #~ as present on the key? As far as I understand # is already on top of 3 and ~ on the left of 1. I would much appreciate it if the set would be accurate to the windows layout that it otherwise does a good job representing. :thumb:
The additional keys to the micons kit is much appreciated and I hope that Mito will approve of them. One could add an ISO enter there though, it seems like a weird thing to omit considering that it is as popular as 1.5U bottom row mods. ;)
- Nordic keys will be reviewed after I receive some very specific numbers from Nautilus. Once I get those numbers, I'll decide what to do with the kit.
- Please, note that both that I just posted the Hiragana and Micons kit so you could get a sneak peak of what's coming up, I was already aware of the two issues you have mentioned and the upcoming update fixes them both (so yes, ISO Micon is the last piece of that kit) :D
Micons usage has been approved by MiTo. This will be the second time these icons are used on a GMK. I'd like to thank MiTo for letting me not only to use them on Serika, but to add new icons to the GMK collection. This will be the first time these icons aren't used on a MiTo set. :thumb:
Post by: pomk on Mon, 19 March 2018, 15:09:34
+ISOI sense a shopping frenzy in the horizon :cool:
Post by: Snappo on Mon, 19 March 2018, 18:26:55
Post by: finalarcadia on Mon, 19 March 2018, 18:32:33
Post by: Fooblitzky on Mon, 19 March 2018, 18:48:18
(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 20 March 2018, 04:11:15
I think the contrast of the set would be better with black/grey arrow keys. nice work otherwise, simple yet I like it.
The updated Geometries kit will have some of those.
any reason why r3 control is centered (micons)?
None, that's one of the tweaks I was talking about on my previous post. That kit has also the wrong rows for the keycaps that provide 65% support. Don't worry all of those issues are solved on Update #2.
I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
Serika's yellow is, to my surprise, the same yellow used on many Lego. I've been tweaking the renders to reflect this and have something closer to the samples I expect to receive and the final result.
Post by: anorak on Tue, 20 March 2018, 04:45:34
And tertier level legends for the NORDE kit.
Well, I'll definitely buy it. Need something as a contrast to my GMK Dolch set.
Post by: Snappo on Tue, 20 March 2018, 08:47:31
I think the contrast of the set would be better with black/grey arrow keys. nice work otherwise, simple yet I like it.
The updated Geometries kit will have some of those.any reason why r3 control is centered (micons)?
None, that's one of the tweaks I was talking about on my previous post. That kit has also the wrong rows for the keycaps that provide 65% support. Don't worry all of those issues are solved on Update #2.I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
Serika's yellow is, to my surprise, the same yellow used on many Lego. I've been tweaking the renders to reflect this and have something closer to the samples I expect to receive and the final result.
Nice, I'm in for sure then. Good luck.
Post by: TheMissingPiece on Tue, 20 March 2018, 10:55:31
I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
LEGO-inspired novelties would make this an insta-buy for me.
edit: eyes might need to be spaced closer together to match the minifig.
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 20 March 2018, 17:47:58
I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
Serika's yellow is, to my surprise, the same yellow used on many Lego. I've been tweaking the renders to reflect this and have something closer to the samples I expect to receive and the final result.
Hah, this made me realize that Serika will probably go well with my Lego Technics Volvo L350F: https://shop.lego.com/en-FI/Remote-Controlled-VOLVO-L350F-Wheel-Loader-42030
Post by: FSund on Thu, 22 March 2018, 04:02:01
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 22 March 2018, 05:45:34
With the addition of Hiragana and Micons sets, should perhaps the alphas be separated from the core kit?
I don't have plans to do so. The core kit will remain as it is. It provides a good layout coverage and for many it will be the only kit needed. For me, the base kit is the center piece of the set, and it should be an all-in-one affordable kit.
Post by: FSund on Thu, 22 March 2018, 06:35:21
Do you know how the Serika/Lego yellow will compare to the yellow in Nautilus (GMK N6?) ? I'm considering getting just the Micons set and mixing with Nautilus keys.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 22 March 2018, 07:44:09
I prefer separate alphas and mods, but I see the arguments for both sides. Having lots of separate kits often lead to higher prices.
Do you know how the Serika/Lego yellow will compare to the yellow in Nautilus (GMK N6?) ? I'm considering getting just the Micons set and mixing with Nautilus keys.
Not the same yellow, Nautilus yellow is slightly darker and more orange.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 22 March 2018, 11:28:21
Update #2 will be released soon. I'm still currently making some final tweaks and making sure that everything is fine before posting anything, but it should be out this week. This update has taken me longer than what I expected as I've tweaked the colors and added new boards to my gallery. So most of the renders needed to be remade. But anyways, here is the final teaser before the update!
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_4.png)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 22 March 2018, 12:07:36
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Post by: ojrask on Thu, 22 March 2018, 15:18:54
Cannot get winky face caps lock out of my head hahaha. Love the mitocons!
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Winky face or a person swimming? ;)
Post by: Kerasan on Thu, 22 March 2018, 15:40:47
Update #2 will be released soon. I'm still currently making some final tweaks and making sure that everything is fine before posting anything, but it should be out this week. This update has taken me longer than what I expected as I've tweaked the colors and added new boards to my gallery. So most of the renders needed to be remade. But anyways, here is the final teaser before the update!Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_4.png)
this set earned 1000 points now ... would you recommend this set only on black keyboards or the various grays?
KMK labs
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 22 March 2018, 16:22:01
Now I can't stop picturing a guy swimming hah!Cannot get winky face caps lock out of my head hahaha. Love the mitocons!
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Winky face or a person swimming? ;)
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Post by: Kafka on Thu, 22 March 2018, 16:30:29
Post by: Muffin_Smasher on Thu, 22 March 2018, 16:34:54
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 22 March 2018, 21:37:00
Update #2 will be released soon. I'm still currently making some final tweaks and making sure that everything is fine before posting anything, but it should be out this week. This update has taken me longer than what I expected as I've tweaked the colors and added new boards to my gallery. So most of the renders needed to be remade. But anyways, here is the final teaser before the update!Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_4.png)
this set earned 1000 points now ... would you recommend this set only on black keyboards or the various grays?
KMK labs
Personally I like dark cases, as it helps to highlight the keysets and it's also more stylish.
Are the alphas L9 or a custom color?
Alphas are custom.
i feel like the lego smiley face should be added to the novelties now :)
I don't have any plans to make any Lego novelties.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 23 March 2018, 14:28:24
Update #2 is here!
I've updated the OP with the two new kits and added new renders.
Check out the details here (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/23/serika-update-2/)
Post by: midnight2903 on Fri, 23 March 2018, 15:05:01
Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_tokyo60_3.png)
Update #2 is here!
I've updated the OP with the two new kits and added new renders.
Check out the details here (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/23/serika-update-2/)
JAPANESE SUBLEGENDS!!!!
Post by: switchnollie on Fri, 23 March 2018, 15:32:32
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 23 March 2018, 15:40:19
Nice, will most likely pick up a Hiragana kit for some mix n match :cool: :thumb:
Keep in mind that Serika will use custom colors for the alphas.
Post by: zumu on Fri, 23 March 2018, 19:09:15
Ditto for R1 1u Backspace key (non-micon).
Secondly, and I know it's late in the game, but an all dark grey mods set would be killer.
Looking great, btw. Looking forward to the drop :)
Post by: Lotsati on Sat, 24 March 2018, 03:09:25
Post by: rmendis on Sat, 24 March 2018, 15:42:31
Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_tokyo60_3.png)
Update #2 is here!
I've updated the OP with the two new kits and added new renders.
Check out the details here (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/23/serika-update-2/)
Love the updates!
Post by: kawaiicheung on Sat, 24 March 2018, 16:26:03
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:21:50
40% kit needs a R2 1.25!!!!
That kit covers Minivan, Caravan, JD40, JD45, Sebright, Minorca, and Planck. None of those have a R2 1.25
Post by: Wren on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:45:50
This needs a yellow spacebar.
+1, I'm already in, but that would make this set really unique.
Post by: dyrdevil on Sat, 24 March 2018, 18:46:05
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 24 March 2018, 21:25:00
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 24 March 2018, 22:06:44
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
My thought is opposite actually. The black/grey spacebar would be a nice punctuation for the Hiragana + Micons combo ;D
Post by: FSund on Mon, 26 March 2018, 02:25:48
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 26 March 2018, 03:23:07
The new kits look great. The only strange thing I noticed is that the only way to get the yellow enter key is through the Dvoremak/Colemak kit (ANSI enter) or the Norde kit (ISO enter).
That's not correct. There's a yellow ANSI Enter, Esc, and numpad enter on the base kit. Dvorak & Colemak doesn't even have an enter.
Post by: FSund on Mon, 26 March 2018, 04:49:42
The new kits look great. The only strange thing I noticed is that the only way to get the yellow enter key is through the Dvoremak/Colemak kit (ANSI enter) or the Norde kit (ISO enter).
That's not correct. There's a yellow ANSI Enter, Esc, and numpad enter on the base kit. Dvorak & Colemak doesn't even have an enter.
Sorry, my mistake. I guess my eyes are not that good at recognizing the ANSI enter.
But I'm pretty sure there is no yellow ISO enter in the core kit? Not in the micons kit either as far as I can see.
I'm sure it's for cost saving reasons, but just wanted to mention it in case it's an oversight.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 26 March 2018, 06:16:50
The new kits look great. The only strange thing I noticed is that the only way to get the yellow enter key is through the Dvoremak/Colemak kit (ANSI enter) or the Norde kit (ISO enter).
That's not correct. There's a yellow ANSI Enter, Esc, and numpad enter on the base kit. Dvorak & Colemak doesn't even have an enter.
Sorry, my mistake. I guess my eyes are not that good at recognizing the ANSI enter.
But I'm pretty sure there is no yellow ISO enter in the core kit? Not in the micons kit either as far as I can see.
I'm sure it's for cost saving reasons, but just wanted to mention it in case it's an oversight.
That's correct. There only yellow ISO enter key is a part of the NORDE kit. That was a design choice.
Post by: gutsack on Mon, 26 March 2018, 14:36:25
Post by: KaosJ on Mon, 26 March 2018, 14:43:17
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 26 March 2018, 15:42:58
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 26 March 2018, 15:55:03
I was originally keen on this set even tho I'm not a yellow fan and the recent additions convinced me even more :thumb:
I was originally not keen on this set because I'm not a yellow fan, but the recent additions won me over. Looks so good with Mito stuff. Nice work!
I’m not convinced by yellow, but I might have to buy this to support the fact that you seem so fricken dedicated to your work. This IC has been so awesome to watch, from the initial presentation, renders, to the updated kits and hiragana. Damn nice work and I hope you keep it up
Thanks to everybody! It is great that the new changes have been welcomed very positively. :thumb:
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 28 March 2018, 07:39:29
Post by: numerofour on Wed, 28 March 2018, 09:05:56
At this point last thing I want to know is when this set will launch? Can't wait for it. ;DIf I'm not mistaken, the ball is in Massdrop's court now.
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Post by: RSC on Fri, 30 March 2018, 09:06:45
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 30 March 2018, 11:13:21
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
Post by: foxlive on Fri, 30 March 2018, 18:13:39
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
Having choice for another pseudo standalone kit for Hiragama to go with mito mod would be very nice !
Post by: EightDiagram on Fri, 30 March 2018, 22:09:13
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
My goal is Hiragana + Micons as well. I would gladly buy the standalone spacebar kit if it was the white/cream instead of black/dark gray. Can this kit be created along side the black spacebar kit?
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 31 March 2018, 02:56:59
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
Niiice. Can't wait for the GB :thumb:
Post by: Geek Maker on Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:07:37
2, 6u space bar in base kit, good
3, space bar kit ,good ,but I want more yellow space bars.
Post by: Draic on Sat, 31 March 2018, 04:51:55
3, space bar kit ,good ,but I want more yellow space bars.yellow is the mod color, not the accent color. Spacebars are always either alpha color or accent, but never mod.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 31 March 2018, 07:31:03
3, space bar kit ,good ,but I want more yellow space bars.yellow is the mod color, not the accent color. Spacebars are always either alpha color or accent, but never mod.
That's correct. And I've already stated that I don't want to add yellow spacebars on top of grey ones.
Post by: Kerasan on Tue, 03 April 2018, 08:25:35
KMK Labs.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 03 April 2018, 14:52:19
zambumon show us the desk/mouse mats dedicated to the serika :p
KMK Labs.
Once the collabs are ready, I'll post them. Lots of talk needs to be figured out before even teasing them.
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 03 April 2018, 15:13:44
huehuehue
Post by: Kerasan on Tue, 03 April 2018, 15:40:18
zambumon show us the desk/mouse mats dedicated to the serika :p
KMK Labs.
Once the collabs are ready, I'll post them. Lots of talk needs to be figured out before even teasing them.
:thumb:
KMK Labs.
Post by: macclack on Fri, 06 April 2018, 01:13:30
Post by: lemur on Fri, 06 April 2018, 21:15:31
Is there any room for a double zero in this set?
It has been included in many other much smaller less expansive less high profile sets, it should also be in this one.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 07 April 2018, 13:45:55
With how expansive these sets are, I am surprised there is no double zero key (00) for those with standalone numpads.
Is there any room for a double zero in this set?
It has been included in many other much smaller less expansive less high profile sets, it should also be in this one.
Already replied in page 1
It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.
That wouldn't help to properly cover standalone numpads. You'd need to add to that a R1 1.00U Tab, R1 1.00U =, an extra R1 1.00U ESC (Both in yellow and grey, to keep consistency) as well as a R4 1.00U. 00.
Post by: RSC on Sat, 07 April 2018, 16:44:05
Since you recently confirmed on instagram that the Hiragana alphas won't come with spacebars, can you please confirm if you will actually be offering a stand-alone white spacebar kit?
Post by: Vadurr on Sun, 08 April 2018, 01:15:17
@Zambumon
Since you recently confirmed on instagram that the Hiragana alphas won't come with spacebars, can you please confirm if you will actually be offering a stand-alone white spacebar kit?
+1 for a white spacebars kit.
Post by: lemur on Sun, 08 April 2018, 02:08:13
With how expansive these sets are, I am surprised there is no double zero key (00) for those with standalone numpads.
Is there any room for a double zero in this set?
It has been included in many other much smaller less expansive less high profile sets, it should also be in this one.
Already replied in page 1It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.
That wouldn't help to properly cover standalone numpads. You'd need to add to that a R1 1.00U Tab, R1 1.00U =, an extra R1 1.00U ESC (Both in yellow and grey, to keep consistency) as well as a R4 1.00U. 00.
I do not feel that is applicable.
That user was asking about a key used on Row 1 -- Yellow in color... A key that could, within the keys already available, be replaced with the row 1 'Geometries' or the row 1 'Delete' key (if their layout permitted it, not an exact match but close enough).
I am speaking about the Double Zero key 00 in Row 4 of the numpad, this would be a White key...
To get numpad compatibility with the set as is one can easily fill the top row of a six row numpad with row 1 'Geometries' keys.. But that would leave someone with a yellow row 4 novelty key in the 00 double zero spot, which, frankly, would look pretty bad. There are no other generic neutral looking row 4 white keys available in the set to fill this space, not in novelties, or elsewhere..
There is already acceptable compatibility for most numpads in this set, using row 1 novelties for the topmost row on a numpad... I think there needs to be a row 4 double zero 00 key to finish off mostly acceptable compatibility for any numpad which has that key.
Post by: lemur on Sun, 08 April 2018, 03:06:44
(https://i.imgur.com/0UtaER9h.jpg)
Post by: Che.R.Ry on Sun, 08 April 2018, 12:13:41
p.s : If there's any render with silver case keyboard that would be nice for some comparison :p
Post by: RSC on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:05:23
Well, just had confirmation from the man himself, in order to get the above combo you will need to buy Hiragana alphas kit + Micons kit ... + base set, cause no stand-alone white/cream spacebars kit will be offered.
GG
Post by: koduh on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:14:08
Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_6.png)
Well, just had confirmation from the man himself, in order to get the above combo you will need to buy Hiragana alphas kit + Micons kit ... + base set, cause no stand-alone white/cream spacebars kit will be offered.
GG
WHAT?! Thats crazy to have to buy the entire base kit just for a spacebar.
Post by: koduh on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:16:33
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
But there isnt a standalone kit with a cream spacebar?
Post by: donut_sauce on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:24:16
What color is the cream? If it’s L9 couldn’t u just get them from Oco? (https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars?variant=32242939472)Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
But there isnt a standalone kit with a cream spacebar?
Post by: RSC on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:28:06
Are the alphas L9 or a custom color?
Alphas are custom.
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:28:33
Post by: donut_sauce on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:30:44
They don't have any white colors on OCo, anyway.They have L9
Post by: donut_sauce on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:32:02
Nope...Gotcha.Are the alphas L9 or a custom color?
Alphas are custom.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 16 April 2018, 16:34:40
Post by: oumakavoula on Thu, 19 April 2018, 05:39:29
this is beautiful ! I adore this shade of yellow
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 19 April 2018, 16:34:45
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Please, head over to the OP for all the updated kits.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/P6wIpsNoRCqklbBFuJpZ_serika_07.png)
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR SERIKA! (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Serika?mode=guest_open)
Post by: avid on Thu, 19 April 2018, 16:41:40
Post by: gnunin on Thu, 19 April 2018, 16:43:08
UPDATE #3
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Please, head over to the OP for all the updated kits.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/P6wIpsNoRCqklbBFuJpZ_serika_07.png)
OMG. Yes. This.
Post by: EightDiagram on Thu, 19 April 2018, 16:57:58
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 19 April 2018, 16:58:35
I know you said yellow is custom, how about alphas and the black colors?
I know you said yellow is custom, how about alphas and the black colors?
Alphas are custom, and GMK is sending me a RAL color chart to improve the color matching process.
Accents are N9.
Post by: typischt on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:07:26
Is it on purpose that the two key for the ISO layout are the same (the one next to the ISO return and the one below it)?
Post by: omjak on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:15:26
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Alphas are custom
The pure Latin provided much cleaner look. Considering that Alphas are custom colors, can you offer Latin alphas separately as an extra kit? (for those who don't want to source alphas from another set)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:20:47
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Ah that's damn disappointing. Went from a must buy to no buy for me. Oh well.
Post by: omjak on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:23:06
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Ah that's damn disappointing. Went from a must buy to no buy for me. Oh well.
I feel the same
(maybe just micons ...maybe)
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:23:59
I really like the set how it is right now.
Is it on purpose that the two key for the ISO layout are the same (the one next to the ISO return and the one below it)?
Yes, it is on purpose, as you need one to be placed right next to the shift key and another one right to the left of the ISO enter.
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Alphas are custom
The pure Latin provided much cleaner look. Considering that Alphas are custom colors, can you offer them separately as an extra kit? (for those who don't want to source alphas from another set)
No, they won't be added as an extra kit. Having two sets of alphas would split orders and make the set more expensive overall and it was precisly why I made these changes. I am aware that this changes might be a deal breaker for some people, but I didn't want to end up having an expensive base kit because half of the orders went to some of the extra kits.
Post by: lac29 on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:26:11
Post by: typischt on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:29:31
I really like the set how it is right now.
Is it on purpose that the two key for the ISO layout are the same (the one next to the ISO return and the one below it)?I think you might have delete this part of your post already but still wanted to clarify: I do know where those key should be going, just doesn‘t make sense to me, that they are exactly the same key.
Yes, it is on purpose, as you need one to be placed right next to the shift key and another one right to the left of the ISO enter.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:40:39
I think you might have delete this part of your post already but still wanted to clarify: I do know where those key should be going, just doesn‘t make sense to me, that they are exactly the same key.
It's the layout windows provide when you use an ISO board with US layout. This particular layout has been done previously for sets such as Yuri or Muted. It has also been offered for the Hiragana kits in Laser. Please, keep in mind that all the alphas need the Japanese sublegends and adding any international layout or Dvorak and Colemak would require lots of new legends.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:45:12
I'll buy extras to compensate for the droppers =P.
I'm completely aware that for some people, not having latin alphas on the base kit will be a deal break and that for some others the set is now more interesting, as there's only Latin+Hiragana legends, which make it more accesible if you want to use GMK's standard modifiers. Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
Post by: omjak on Thu, 19 April 2018, 17:56:03
I'll buy extras to compensate for the droppers =P.
...Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
Considering the massdrop poll, you're right - but it also shows how many people were interested in it.
Post by: M on Thu, 19 April 2018, 21:43:24
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Post by: zappysnap on Thu, 19 April 2018, 22:03:34
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Ah that's damn disappointing. Went from a must buy to no buy for me. Oh well.
I feel the same
(maybe just micons ...maybe)
Exactly the same. I was really pumped about this kit, but I have absolutely ZERO interest in Hiragana keycaps. I'm not Japanese, I do not speak Japanese, and I have no need nor interest in having Japanese characters on my keyboard that are solely for decoration. I have always thought caps like this look insanely cluttered....and this set was so clean before.
Honestly, this move makes absolutely no sense to me. The worry was that Hiragana would be so low that it would hurt MOQ....so the solution is to force an already unpopular set down everyone's throat?
Seriously, this was the one keycap set I was most excited for this coming year, and now it's dead, and I am massively bummed.
Please, Please reconsider this move.
Post by: RavenPanther on Thu, 19 April 2018, 22:12:17
I'm completely aware that for some people, not having latin alphas on the base kit will be a deal break and that for some others the set is now more interesting, as there's only Latin+Hiragana legends, which make it more accesible if you want to use GMK's standard modifiers. Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
I don't quite understand the pricing thing you're trying to avoid - it sounds like there's a specific keyset (hiragana) that would barely be worth making if it were separate, due to cost in production. So it's being made the standard (core set) to make things cheaper? Wouldn't something that's so niche be expected to be expensive? Why not have it be its own separate run, like at a later date? Why does a separate kit (Hirigana on its own) make the base set more expensive? I'm new to all this and I've never paid attention to keysets with other languages, so I'm just trying to understand what's going on behind the scenes :]
I'll admit, I'm a little upset because I was looking forward to this set, it matched my computer theme and I was planning on building a board around it, but I have no use for a set of keys with an extra language on them. I also have to agree that it sort of ruins the clean look the original ones had, so unless I could somehow find a way to get 'normal' alphas that fit with the set and just bought the modifiers/novelties, I can't join in on this set anymore :[
Exactly the same. I was pumped about this kit, but I have absolutely ZERO interest in Hiragana keycaps. I'm not Japanese, I do not speak Japanese, and I have no need nor interest in having Japanese characters on my keyboard that are solely for decoration.
Honestly, this move makes absolutely no sense to me. The worry was that Hiragana would be so low that it would hurt MOQ, and the solution is to force an already unpopular set down everyone's throat?
Seriously, this was the one keycap set I was most excited for this coming year, and now it's dead.
Please, Please reconsider this move.
This pretty much sums up how I feel. I'd honestly rather pay more than buy a set I don't like, or trying to find a set of alphas that fit and buying TWO sets.
Post by: zappysnap on Thu, 19 April 2018, 22:15:06
I'll admit, I'm a little upset because I was looking forward to this set, it matched my computer theme and I was planning on building a board around it, but I have no use for a set of keys with an extra language on them. I also have to agree that it sort of ruins the clean look the original ones had, so unless I could somehow find a way to get 'normal' alphas that fit with the set and just bought the modifiers/novelties, I can't join in on this set anymore :[
I almost feel like the rug was pulled out from me....I can't express how excited I was for this set, and now it's: yeah, we're not going to do that any more. Too bad.
Post by: RavenPanther on Thu, 19 April 2018, 22:18:52
I'll admit, I'm a little upset because I was looking forward to this set, it matched my computer theme and I was planning on building a board around it, but I have no use for a set of keys with an extra language on them. I also have to agree that it sort of ruins the clean look the original ones had, so unless I could somehow find a way to get 'normal' alphas that fit with the set and just bought the modifiers/novelties, I can't join in on this set anymore :[
I almost feel like the rug was pulled out from me....I can't express how excited I was for this set, and now it's: yeah, we're not going to do that any more. Too bad.
Heavy Industry is kind of close... but I put my hopes in Serika because I like having more yellow. Plus HI is geared towards 60% boards.
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 19 April 2018, 22:59:57
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Great decision, indeed!
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:40:59
I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Good decision, I think, as--beyond the pleasing combination of custom colors--the Hiragana alphas were what was making the set extra special and interesting. I wish more sets would be made with secondary legends or even side print (and windowed caps for indicator keys).
Post by: hervuli on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:49:10
I was really pumped about this kit, but I have absolutely ZERO interest in Hiragana keycaps. I'm not Japanese, I do not speak Japanese, and I have no need nor interest in having Japanese characters on my keyboard that are solely for decoration. I have always thought caps like this look insanely cluttered....and this set was so clean before.
This
Post by: kwerdenker on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:50:32
UPDATE #3
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Please, head over to the OP for all the updated kits.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/P6wIpsNoRCqklbBFuJpZ_serika_07.png)
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR SERIKA! (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Serika?mode=guest_open)
This is not the updated I was waiting for :eek:
While I understand the argument to be made for not splitting too much orders, this kills the set for me. Not only am I not a fan of the weeb legends but the loss of the NorDe kit weights heavy for me. This is a real bummer because Massdrop sets were one of the very few possibilities for us NorDe users to get customs keysets that fully support our local layout.
But it's your set, your idea and your decision. Best of luck with the run and I'll keep an eye out for your next project.
Post by: numerofour on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:52:18
I'll buy extras to compensate for the droppers =P.
...Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
Considering the massdrop poll, you're right - but it also shows how many people were interested in it.
I think this is spot on. Hiraganas are definitely lovely and what I would probably have bought along with the original but them receiving less than 1/10 of the alphas kind of says it all. I guess many people who voiced out had their issues as they only want hiraganas + micons + white spacebar, but even more people didn't say anything as the original version was perfect.
Edit: I'm definitely supporting this whatever the outcome but just saying I preferred the original version.
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Post by: omjak on Fri, 20 April 2018, 00:13:51
While the Latin-Hiragana made more sense on Red Samurai (by RedSuns) because it represented Japan and its history/culture; I don't see any connection in Serika, other than it's a "head turner" (I suppose for those who would keep it at work, or travel with it.)
I absolutely LOVED the original base set, but with the current (Latin-Hiragana) version I would/will need to find a separate (non-matching) alphas to go with the modifiers :(
Post by: egla on Fri, 20 April 2018, 00:51:55
Post by: RSC on Fri, 20 April 2018, 01:42:39
UPDATE #3
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
(...)
Perfect! Thank you!
Post by: Draic on Fri, 20 April 2018, 03:04:05
I will most likely skip Serika entirely now. Not interested in the baseset
Post by: foxlive on Fri, 20 April 2018, 03:38:30
Post by: Wilba on Fri, 20 April 2018, 05:44:58
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
The clean look of Latin alphas and classic Cherry icon+text mods that was presented initially is now not even possible. WTF?
IMHO the set has been compromised to please the vocal minority of people wanting Latin+Hiragana and biitching about having to pay more for the option.
This is not coming from hate for Hiragana - I bought the Gaijin kit in GMK Laser specifically for that aesthetic, but it was a choice.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 April 2018, 06:07:45
I can understand the decision from an MOQ/economic stand-points, and I'm sure a lot of people will be pleased; many will also be displeased as has been seen. That said, what's most important is that Zambumon is happy with the result.
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 20 April 2018, 07:17:52
I'd definitely buy an add-on latin alpha set (and then sell the japanese alphas or w/e)
But not even having that option is really rough.
Honestly though, I will just buy Micons and the geometries, and then do something else for alphas...
Wouldn't it be weird if the base kit didn't hit MOQ? (I mean, it will, but I assume there's going to be a massive amount of Micons sold)
Post by: mudcakehoney on Fri, 20 April 2018, 07:32:27
Post by: donut_sauce on Fri, 20 April 2018, 07:44:49
)I wish this was an option. I would to this as well.
I'd definitely buy an add-on latin alpha set (and then sell the japanese alphas or w/e)
But not even having that option is really rough.
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Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 20 April 2018, 11:49:52
Let's talk about NORDE and Colemak & Dvorak first: those two kits were too far to reach MOQ. Given how the poll, the GH thread, and Massdrop talk have gone, I can't justify having these two kits. There has only been one time when these two kits have reached MOQ, and that was Nautilus, which had objectively way more hype than Serika. As the designer of the set, I don't think it is reasonable from my side to keep this going on for every set that is run through Massdrop just for the sake of it when there's clearly not enough interest for those two kits. Otherwise we end up with unsustainable situations. (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-redsuns-gmk-red-samurai-keycap-set/D2b38DSeToymdm2zUK36_community.jpg)
Now, let's talk about the base kit changes and removing the Hiragana kit. First of all, I'm perfectly aware of how polarizing this changes are. For some people, this is a deal breaker, and for some others a the set is now a must have. I've been always interested in sublegends and I like them a lot as they make sets very appealing, and as some of you already know, Serika's name is a reference to a manga (Space Brothers). So there has always been a thematic pretext to have those Hiragana legends added to the set since the very first moment I publicaly released the set. In fact, some of my early sketches for this set back in 2016 when the set was unnamed, had either Hiragana or Hangul sublegends. However, back in 2016 having those sublegends on a GMK set wasn't possible, and that's why I initially sticked to the more "standard" look.
Soon after update #1 was released, which added Hiragana and Micons, I started to become more and more uncomfortable with the set and its kits. For every single set, and specially for the GMK ones, the base kit is the core of the set, and everyone should get it. All base kits should be as affordable as possible, which can be achieved by having the right amount of keycaps and also reaching higher order quantities. By adding those two kits I was achieving the exact opposite of what I wanted, splitting the orders between 2 options in detriment of the core kit.
I've thought a lot about this decission, and as I've said before, I'm completely aware that for some of you is a dealbreaker, so I apologize to those of you. However, I do believe that these changes are for good.
Just to make things clear: there won't be any other major update. I don't plan to add any kits, or remove any of the present ones. I do not plan to add yellow spacebars, latin alphas, or NORDE.
Post by: Hutch on Fri, 20 April 2018, 11:56:42
Interested.
Post by: Wilba on Fri, 20 April 2018, 12:12:50
I'll try to clarify step by step why the update was done this way and breakdown all my decissions.
Thanks, Zambumon... my criticism was a bit misdirected, it's good to now know the reasoning.
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Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 April 2018, 13:30:09
Serika's name is a reference to a manga (Space Brothers). So there has always been a thematic pretext to have those Hiragana legends added to the set since the very first moment I publicaly released the set. In fact, some of my early sketches for this set back in 2016 when the set was unnamed, had either Hiragana or Hangul sublegends. However, back in 2016 having those sublegends on a GMK set wasn't possible, and that's why I initially sticked to the more "standard" look.
Now it makes sense.
Post by: zappysnap on Fri, 20 April 2018, 14:32:14
I'll try to clarify step by step why the update was done this way and breakdown all my decissions.
Let's talk about NORDE and Colemak & Dvorak first: those two kits were too far to reach MOQ. Given how the poll, the GH thread, and Massdrop talk have gone, I can't justify having these two kits. There has only been one time when these two kits have reached MOQ, and that was Nautilus, which had objectively way more hype than Serika. As the designer of the set, I don't think it is reasonable from my side to keep this going on for every set that is run through Massdrop just for the sake of it when there's clearly not enough interest for those two kits. Otherwise we end up with unsustainable situations. (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-redsuns-gmk-red-samurai-keycap-set/D2b38DSeToymdm2zUK36_community.jpg)
Now, let's talk about the base kit changes and removing the Hiragana kit. First of all, I'm perfectly aware of how polarizing this changes are. For some people, this is a deal breaker, and for some others a the set is now a must have. I've been always interested in sublegends and I like them a lot as they make sets very appealing, and as some of you already know, Serika's name is a reference to a manga (Space Brothers). So there has always been a thematic pretext to have those Hiragana legends added to the set since the very first moment I publicaly released the set. In fact, some of my early sketches for this set back in 2016 when the set was unnamed, had either Hiragana or Hangul sublegends. However, back in 2016 having those sublegends on a GMK set wasn't possible, and that's why I initially sticked to the more "standard" look.
Soon after update #1 was released, which added Hiragana and Micons, I started to become more and more uncomfortable with the set and its kits. For every single set, and specially for the GMK ones, the base kit is the core of the set, and everyone should get it. All base kits should be as affordable as possible, which can be achieved by having the right amount of keycaps and also reaching higher order quantities. By adding those two kits I was achieving the exact opposite of what I wanted, splitting the orders between 2 options in detriment of the core kit.
I've thought a lot about this decission, and as I've said before, I'm completely aware that for some of you is a dealbreaker, so I apologize to those of you. However, I do believe that these changes are for good.
Just to make things clear: there won't be any other major update. I don't plan to add any kits, or remove any of the present ones. I do not plan to add yellow spacebars, latin alphas, or NORDE.
Yeah, I still think it's an insane move. Sorry. I'm still upset about the change. I still think it's the massively wrong way to go, and I think that not even offering a latin only alpha set after having it as the core for the last several months is a huge middle finger to a wide swath of those of us who were interested in the set. I'm actively angry because it feels like a bait and switch, even if I haven't put money down on it yet. It's just the total wrong way to go about things. I honestly think you'll end up with about 40% lower sales numbers as a result of this change, if not even worse. It's an absolutely terrible decision.
I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit. Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 20 April 2018, 14:38:36
Post by: frostbyte-gaming on Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:44:37
I for one still love the colorway and am hyped for when this finally releases.
In the end this is Zambumon's colorway he came up with the design and I hope that he sticks to what he had envisioned for this set and not just appeal to the masses. Obviously this can be a hard thing to do when you are trying to achieve a moq but if you are creating a set just to hit a moq then can you really call that creativity.
Definitely loved your previous designs and hope you keep up the good work Zambumon. :thumb:
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:56:46
I can understand your reasoning, however, I'm left with one question: why can't Latin alphas be a kit?
This would at least be a good solution!
Post by: zappysnap on Fri, 20 April 2018, 15:58:22
Just here to counter some of the negativity in the thread.
I for one still love the colorway and am hyped for when this finally releases.
In the end this is Zambumon's colorway he came up with the design and I hope that he sticks to what he had envisioned for this set and not just appeal to the masses. Obviously this can be a hard thing to do when you are trying to achieve a moq but if you are creating a set just to hit a moq then can you really call that creativity.
Definitely loved your previous designs and hope you keep up the good work Zambumon. :thumb:
If it had been designed this way from the beginning, I don't think those of us who are upset would be so upset. I'd have looked at the hiraganas (which I personally think look incredibly cluttered compared to the rest of the keys), said "that's not for me" and moved on.
But to build interest, get people excited, get people allocating funds for an upcoming group buy, and then totally pull the rug out from under us at the last second? Yeah, that's a huge slap in the face.
And I love the colorway as well. Like, really, really love the colorway....which is why I'm so upset.
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 20 April 2018, 16:37:34
I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit. Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
You do realize that everyone that voted for Hiragana voted for the main kit, right? And because of limitations in MD polls, there were people that wanted Hiragana, but put their votes to other kits. And he did explain his reasoning- that this was what he originally intended, but didn't know if he'd be able to get it.
As someone else said, in the end, it's his set, and his design, and should reflect that. And the community can make its will known by not purchasing.
Post by: lemur on Fri, 20 April 2018, 16:41:11
but it will lose lots of other folks in the process..
big let down on this one... it feels like functionally a totally different IC at this point..
Post by: zappysnap on Fri, 20 April 2018, 16:45:04
Sure I understand that...but still, only 6% of those who voted voted for hiragana. 66 people total.I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit. Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
You do realize that everyone that voted for Hiragana voted for the main kit, right? And because of limitations in MD polls, there were people that wanted Hiragana, but put their votes to other kits. And he did explain his reasoning- that this was what he originally intended, but didn't know if he'd be able to get it.
As someone else said, in the end, it's his set, and his design, and should reflect that. And the community can make its will known by not purchasing.
And of course, he can do what he wants...but the point of an interest check is to get feedback, so I'm providing feedback. And the biggest issue with this is that it came so late after getting a lot of people excited for the set, and then eliminated the option for normal alphas entirely.....not moved it to an add on set, just eliminated it.
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Post by: Out_of_diplomacy on Fri, 20 April 2018, 17:22:53
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Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 20 April 2018, 17:35:08
Yeah, I still think it's an insane move. Sorry. I'm still upset about the change. I still think it's the massively wrong way to go, and I think that not even offering a latin only alpha set after having it as the core for the last several months is a huge middle finger to a wide swath of those of us who were interested in the set. I'm actively angry because it feels like a bait and switch, even if I haven't put money down on it yet. It's just the total wrong way to go about things. I honestly think you'll end up with about 40% lower sales numbers as a result of this change, if not even worse. It's an absolutely terrible decision.
As I have said on my previous post, I apologize for those that have been let down but, with all due respect, there's nobody that has allocated more time and resources and that wants the keyset to happen than I am and in no way I'd do them to disrespect anybody. I've been working on this set for a very long time, and there isn't anybody that wants to have the set done more than me. This is why GMK and I have been working even before a group buy was scheduled with color charts and keycap samples, (Serika - Update #1 (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/13/serika-update-1/)), that's why I've remake the renders multiple times, or that I've designed myself some custom packaging because I wanted to have something unique for the set.
I take full responsability of my actions, and if the set flops it is absolutely my fault. But, as I've said before, I've done these changes with good faith and I truly think they are for the best and what it's more important, I feel more comfortable with the current kit dispossition.
I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit.
Addressing Massdrop's poll. This is what usually happens when you add kits after the IC is launched. At the moment I added those two kits, 800 people had already voted for the set.
Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
I think I left that clear with my previous response that I actually want Hiragana. I wasn't worried about meeting MOQ, I was worried about splitting MOQ (again, I think I explained that on my previous reply). What the community wants does matter, but ultimately I have the last word about this set.
I can understand your reasoning, however, I'm left with one question: why can't Latin alphas be a kit?
This would at least be a good solution!
Then we would return to the previous state, which I have explained why I'm not comfortable with.
Post by: Wetherbee on Fri, 20 April 2018, 17:36:56
needs more jamón
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 20 April 2018, 17:40:20
I guess I can live with a 40s kit. No thanks to Micons.
Edit: I find it really hard to believe that a Micons kit makes sense but a Latin alpha kit doesn't.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 20 April 2018, 17:40:57
I can understand your reasoning, however, I'm left with one question: why can't Latin alphas be a kit?
This would at least be a good solution!
Then we would return to the previous state, which I have explained why I'm not comfortable with.
Massive, massive shame. Good luck.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 20 April 2018, 17:43:09
Post by: lemur on Fri, 20 April 2018, 18:14:13
I realize not everyone has those keycaps, but it seems to me like any version of Classic two-tone Beige (vintage Cherry or more recent GMK) alphas would fill in well for the cream alphas in this set, if one wants something more simple. The legends won't be the same color, but close enough for small letters on light background.
Many don't have any of those kinds of sets..
This would have been my 'classic two tone beige' set, with which mixing and matching is possible.. anyways.. I will reiterate how I think this is a bad move and move on and hopefully something else comes by that looks like it will hit MOQ!
Post by: fardream on Fri, 20 April 2018, 21:16:09
I do hope to have a Black R3 1.75 control though.
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Post by: Draic on Sat, 21 April 2018, 06:09:24
And then there are those you now alienated with not offering latin-only anymore...
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 21 April 2018, 06:35:11
Which is minority and which is majority? We don't know exactly. That's why he said he had felt comfortable running the GB with all these kits available. (And for those who pointed to Massdrop's poll that the core kit clearly outnumbers hiragana kit, as Zambumon said, this may be due to the fact that the latter kit was announced after the poll started. So, we can't guarantee that the poll result will be 100% accurate anymore. I, for one, voted for core, hiragana, and micons kits, but I actually would buy just hiragana, micons, and spacebar kits. There may be more people did the same like mine. How many? We can't really know.
That could be why Zambumon felt comfortable with this. Imagine running a keyset and the core kit didn't make moq, while add-on kits made it. That would really be a bummer. But again.. we don't really know the exact number. I believe Zambumon also made a gamble on this decision too, but if he said that it makes him comfortable this way, we can only just go along with the flow.
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:00:13
Addressing Massdrop's poll. This is what usually happens when you add kits after the IC is launched. At the moment I added those two kits, 800 people had already voted for the set.
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Then we would return to the previous state, which I have explained why I'm not comfortable with.
So, 66 out of 266 voted for Hiragana, or roughly 24%. So 76% who wanted Latin alphas are now out. The thing I don't think you may realize has happened is that you still split MOQ....you just made it split between 'getting Hiragana' and 'getting nothing.'
I also don't understand the 'splitting MOQ' argument at all. Do you honestly think that enough people would have bought ONLY Hiragana and, say Micons, without getting the Core that it would massively affect final core pricing? Because, that's a massive leap in logic that doesn't appear to be supported by any empirical evidence at all.
In the end, it is your set, but what you've done is alienate a very large group of people that had been hyped up by the original IC and renders for a long time, and it's very hard not to feel personally affronted by the switch.
Post by: RSC on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:13:31
And honestly, if you feel "personally affronted" by a change in a keycaps set, you should really reconsider a few things regarding life.
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:16:38
Mate, it has been said countless times now that the Hiragana set was only added to the MD poll long after the poll was put in place, so the results do not accurately reflect the community's interest.
Yes, and he said the votes for core were at 800 when he added the Hiragana option....it's now at 1029 with 68 votes on Hiragana....(I could have sworn yesterday it was at 1066, but perhaps many (like myself) removed their vote from the core). So, 229 vs 68 (again, the numbers I used in the second one were 266 vs 66, as it was yesterday). Again, nowhere near overwhelming desire for only Hiragana.
And votes for Micons and spacebars are at 16 total and 11 total...so the leap to say that having Hiragana as a separate kit would split MOQ on the core is not supported by data in any way. The vast majority of those who would have bought the Hiragana separately would have also purchased the core kit. The reasoning that having it as a child kit would hurt core MOQ is ludicrous, especially since he has hurt core sales FAR more by eliminating the option for latin only alphas than would have been hurt by having Hiragana as a separate kit.
It's not only that the core was changed so late, after building interest for a long time, but that the switch came by COMPLETELY ELIMINATING the original core alphas. And it makes NO sense.
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:25:45
And honestly, if you feel "personally affronted" by a change in a keycaps set, you should really reconsider a few things regarding life.
It's not ruining my week or anything, but I'm hoping being vocal helps change his mind to at least offer the latin set as a child kit. This was literally the only set this year I had planned on buying. It was different from all of my existing sets, had a great colorway, and was simply beautiful. And then, late in the game, we get this change for what seems like completely arbitrary reasons that make no sense.
Over on r/mechanicalkeyboards, the reaction is overwhelmingly negative.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:30:07
Laser's base set did well, despite also offering alpha and micon sets extra. There is no indication that extra alpha sets crippled sells of the base set
This, not sure why weeb is standard now. This update killed the set for me.
Was pretty easy to do like Laser, with Massdrop involved that's not a big deal to split these kits, making base normal and extra for weebs.
UPDATE #3
Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Apart the fact that we are talking about small drops, i guess you are not considering all the people who will totally pass this set because of this update.
I mean, for sure you saw many people excited for Hiragana, but most of the users + anonymous Massdrop users will still prefer normal legends and might totally pass this set for that.
I think the final price of the base kit will be the same or even higher with this update. It will be just cheaper for who was planning to buy the Hiragana.
Sad
Post by: RSC on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:38:04
Mate, it has been said countless times now that the Hiragana set was only added to the MD poll long after the poll was put in place, so the results do not accurately reflect the community's interest.
Yes, and he said the votes for core were at 800 when he added the Hiragana option....it's now at 1029 with 68 votes on Hiragana....(I could have sworn yesterday it was at 1066, but perhaps many (like myself) removed their vote from the core). So, 229 vs 68 (again, the numbers I used in the second one were 266 vs 66, as it was yesterday). Again, nowhere near overwhelming desire for only Hiragana.
(...)
That's comparing apples to oranges. The choice on Massdrop was never Core with latin alphas or Core with Hiragana alphas. At that point, Hiragana was merely a possibility as an add-on kit.
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:40:36
Mate, it has been said countless times now that the Hiragana set was only added to the MD poll long after the poll was put in place, so the results do not accurately reflect the community's interest.
Yes, and he said the votes for core were at 800 when he added the Hiragana option....it's now at 1029 with 68 votes on Hiragana....(I could have sworn yesterday it was at 1066, but perhaps many (like myself) removed their vote from the core). So, 229 vs 68 (again, the numbers I used in the second one were 266 vs 66, as it was yesterday). Again, nowhere near overwhelming desire for only Hiragana.
(...)
That's comparing apples to oranges. The choice on Massdrop was never Core with latin alphas or Core with Hiragana alphas. At that point, Hiragana was merely a possibility as an add-on kit.
It's not just the switch to Hiragana...if somehow he thinks Hiragana would be more popular than latin only alphas (I highly, highly doubt it, but whatever), then offer latin alphas as a child kit. But now it's hiragana or nothing, and that is going to dramatically lower the number of people who buy the set.
In any case, I'm done here...I've laid my case and will leave it at that....I'll hope that Zambumon changes his mind and offers latin alphas, and if he doesn't, then I guess I get to save some money.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 08:57:47
Imagine running a keyset and the core kit didn't make moq, while add-on kits made it.
WAT
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 21 April 2018, 09:28:16
Question, OP states that the CORE kit covers uk iso. Am I missing something? Cause I don’t see the necesary keycaps to cover it. Maybe the uk part should be removed and leave as ISO or generic ISO? If it really had full uk iso support I would be in.
That was a typo, it should say just ISO. OP has been updated.
Chill guys. I think Zambumon already explained almost everything regarding the change from his perspective. I do believe the hype on Serika was not that much originally, but it keeps getting better after adding hiragana and micons kits. Zambumon may have gotten worried at this state now that the interests have been split up on two sides: 1) Core kit 2) Hiragana + Micons + Spacebar kits.
Which is minority and which is majority? We don't know exactly. That's why he said he had felt comfortable running the GB with all these kits available. (And for those who pointed to Massdrop's poll that the core kit clearly outnumbers hiragana kit, as Zambumon said, this may be due to the fact that the latter kit was announced after the poll started. So, we can't guarantee that the poll result will be 100% accurate anymore. I, for one, voted for core, hiragana, and micons kits, but I actually would buy just hiragana, micons, and spacebar kits. There may be more people did the same like mine. How many? We can't really know.
That could be why Zambumon felt comfortable with this. Imagine running a keyset and the core kit didn't make moq, while add-on kits made it. That would really be a bummer. But again.. we don't really know the exact number. I believe Zambumon also made a gamble on this decision too, but if he said that it makes him comfortable this way, we can only just go along with the flow.
Those were exactly my thoughts.
Apart the fact that we are talking about small drops, i guess you are not considering all the people who will totally pass this set because of this update.
Sad
I've mentioned before, and I will repeat it again: I didn't take this decission in the heat of the moment, I've thought a lot about it and I've been perfectly aware that for some people the set isn't for them anymore. Serika reached a point that I wasn't happy at all with the set, where an add-on kit makes more sense thematically than the base set, and where a base kit was no longer a base kit for many. And I wasn't comfortable with it.
Post by: Draic on Sat, 21 April 2018, 09:39:48
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 09:47:26
... and where a base kit was no longer a base kit for many.
We give two different meanings to that "many", where hirigana was just a plus for the most (an add-on) and only 15% or so were superhyped and wanted just Hirigana.
"Many" is more applicable to the people that are out from the GB now.
This set was hyped af and you will surely understand why many people are butthurt right now, this decision killed the set for most of them.
Anyway GL with the gb Zambumon, i doubt at this point you will change your mind again. :(
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 09:49:40
I still think the decision is wrong and will hurt Serika more than help...
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive. It will sell well but still not the high numbers we expected with all the hype behind it.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 21 April 2018, 10:54:23
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive.
I have no horse in this race so I'm entirely unbiased here - however, I don't see why this would be the case. Why would the base set be more expensive with Hiragana subs when the moulds already exist thanks to Laser? I might be missing something but I feel like the price should remain pretty much exactly the same.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:04:48
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive.
I have no horse in this race so I'm entirely unbiased here - however, I don't see why this would be the case. Why would the base set be more expensive with Hiragana subs when the moulds already exist thanks to Laser? I might be missing something but I feel like the price should remain pretty much exactly the same.
It won't.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:22:37
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive.
I have no horse in this race so I'm entirely unbiased here - however, I don't see why this would be the case. Why would the base set be more expensive with Hiragana subs when the moulds already exist thanks to Laser? I might be missing something but I feel like the price should remain pretty much exactly the same.
It won't.
Less people interested if only Hirigana = Less purchases = smaller MOQ reachable = more expensive
Btw the main point is not that, that was just to reply to the "cost-discussion", the point is cutting out the biggest part of the crowd from the GB.
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:33:46
It won't.
You're dreaming. Your core is going to sell at half what it would have under the previous kits.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:51:00
Less people interested if only Hirigana = Less purchases = smaller MOQ reachable = more expensive
Btw the main point is not that, that was just to reply to the "cost-discussion", the point is cutting out the biggest part of the crowd from the GB.
I think the set will remain in the same MOQ/price tier as it otherwise would. I understand the sentiment though I don't personally share the concern.
It's all conjecture though, I suppose we'll see.
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:55:28
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:59:49
Less people interested if only Hirigana = Less purchases = smaller MOQ reachable = more expensive
Btw the main point is not that, that was just to reply to the "cost-discussion", the point is cutting out the biggest part of the crowd from the GB.
I think the set will remain in the same MOQ/price tier as it otherwise would. I understand the sentiment though I don't personally share the concern.
It's all conjecture though, I suppose we'll see.
MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:15:26
MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
I disagree, I think you can expect a 15 to 20% variance on either side at most (erring mostly toward less sets sold with Hiragana base, of course). For example if the set were to end up at 1350 with Latin alphas, I think 1100 is realistic for Hiragana. I'm generally not a big fan of yellow and I've been allocating funds elsewhere of late so I've not really followed the discussion on Serika very closely (here and/or elsewhere) so those numbers are basically aleatory.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:18:24
MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
I disagree, I think you can expect a 15 to 20% variance on either side at most (erring mostly toward less sets sold with Hiragana base, of course). For example if the set were to end up at 1350 with Latin alphas, I think 1100 is realistic for Hiragana. I'm generally not a big fan of yellow and I've been allocating funds elsewhere of late so I've not really followed the discussion on Serika very closely (here and/or elsewhere) so those numbers are basically aleatory.
Well you will never know this since the normal one isn't happening.
But the massdrop vote for Hirigana could give you a good idea. Today was like 1000+ vs 70 (on a large scale is not hard to imagine that most of the people prefer normal).
The set might still sell well since people are forced to take Hirigana or nothing, but still weeb-style is definetely less popular, a lot less popular
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:24:01
No way it will be 15%. A drop of half is generous...I honestly think it'll be even worse than half. If they offered a Latin alpha child set, your 15% variance might be correct, but with no Latin alphas even as an add on kit, half is the minimum drop I'd expect, if not worse.MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
I disagree, I think you can expect a 15 to 20% variance on either side at most (erring mostly toward less sets sold with Hiragana base, of course). For example if the set were to end up at 1350 with Latin alphas, I think 1100 is realistic for Hiragana. I'm generally not a big fan of yellow and I've been allocating funds elsewhere of late so I've not really followed the discussion on Serika very closely (here and/or elsewhere) so those numbers are basically aleatory.
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Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 21 April 2018, 13:46:09
Well you will never know this since the normal one isn't happening.
But the massdrop vote for Hirigana could give you a good idea. Today was like 1000+ vs 70 (on a large scale is not hard to imagine that most of the people prefer normal).
The set might still sell well since people are forced to take Hirigana or nothing, but still weeb-style is definetely less popular, a lot less popular
As Zambumon said (rightly IMO) since he added it late (as in post 800+ votes), people didn't revisit the poll. I know I didn't, and when I looked, realized I didn't have hiragana, though I was definitely onboard with it- just would have had to miss the novelties like with Red Samurai.
Post by: gutsack on Sat, 21 April 2018, 15:14:03
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 15:18:09
Personally I think this is the right move. Who needs more white GMK alpha caps? What sets Serika apart is the design of the non-plain alpha caps so I think embracing that is the right call. Looking forward to the buy.
Everyone who doesn't have GMK white alpha caps....not to mention they are a custom color, not white. And since there are around 4 other ICs with weeb legends right now, I'd say what sets Serika apart is the colorway.
I think if the hiragana had been changed to the core, and latin alphas switched to the add on set, there would have been some grumbling due to extra cost, but otherwise no real issue. The major issue is the complete elimination of the normal alphas. I understand people like japanese legends....I think they look awful.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 21 April 2018, 15:59:44
No way it will be 15%. A drop of half is generous...I honestly think it'll be even worse than half. If they offered a Latin alpha child set, your 15% variance might be correct, but with no Latin alphas even as an add on kit, half is the minimum drop I'd expect, if not worse.
You guys' prediction are so strange. How many people do you think are feeling "slapped in the face" because of the change? On Massdrop of all places, tons of the purchases come in from people who have absolutely no idea the set even exists at this current moment; the vast majority, really. I think a projection of 20% is actually generous all things considered.
You're blowing this out of proportion because you want to support your side of the arguments' bias. I don't mean this in a demeaning way, it happens all the time and everyone is susceptible to it but it really doesn't matter. This isn't Zambumon's first time designing a set, no one wants its success more than he does - if he thinks this is the right move, it absolutely and factually is the right move. If he wants to risk sacrificing his royalties and/or recognition by making a stylistic choice of this kind that's on him.
You have to understand that whilst your opinion is valid and entirely relevant, in the grand scheme of things your 2 kits purchased (or not) are a drop in the bucket. It's like when ICs are filled with people begging (more like demanding, usually) NORDE ISO support and then the set goes live and the same people that complained are now saying the price is too high and they don't buy anything anyway and the kit ends up with 20 units sold and having to be rescued by Massdrop's good relationship with GMK/SP.
The set will do well regardless and neither party will be proven right/wrong.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 21 April 2018, 16:06:37
You guys' prediction are so strange. How many people do you think are feeling "slapped in the face" because of the change? On Massdrop of all places, tons of the purchases come in from people who have absolutely no idea the set even exists at this current moment; the vast majority, really. I think a projection of 20% is actually generous all things considered.
You're blowing this out of proportion because you want to support your side of the arguments' bias. I don't mean this in a demeaning way, it happens all the time and everyone is susceptible to it but it really doesn't matter. This isn't Zambumon's first time designing a set, no one wants its success more than he does - if he thinks this is the right move, it absolutely and factually is the right move. If he wants to risk sacrificing his royalties and/or recognition by making a stylistic choice of this kind that's on him.
You have to understand that whilst your opinion is valid and entirely relevant, in the grand scheme of things your 2 kits purchased (or not) are a drop in the bucket. It's like when ICs are filled with people begging (more like demanding, usually) NORDE ISO support and then the set goes live and the same people that complained are now saying the price is too high and they don't buy anything anyway and the kit ends up with 20 units sold and having to be rescued by Massdrop's good relationship with GMK/SP.
The set will do well regardless and neither party will be proven right/wrong.
Well said!
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 16:07:51
If you think more people want weeb legends than normal, I think you're out of your mind. Yes, the set will probably do fine....but it has far less appeal with only weeb legends.
I don't see how offering Latin alphas as an add on kit will hurt anything...it can only help.
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Post by: dimo on Sat, 21 April 2018, 16:32:35
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
If you think more people want weeb legends than normal, I think you're out of your mind. Yes, the set will probably do fine....but it has far less appeal with only weeb legends.
I don't see how offering Latin alphas as an add on kit will hurt anything...it can only help.
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I don’t know much about how the pricing works for things like this. But why don’t people separate the modifiers from the alphas in GMK sets?
For example have the modifiers which everyone will buy, then offer hiragana alphas and normal latin alphas and whoever can choose, and they’ll all make MOQ easily.
Also, Zamb is way too worried about the lack of popularity around this set, this is way more hyped than Red Samurai and that did alright. It won’t reach laser and nautilus levels but it’s honestly going to be close.
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Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:00:39
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
Post by: zappysnap on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:02:30
There's a big difference between offering a cool optional kit that people like and eliminating the main kit that people like. I have nothing, I repeat nothing against having the hiragana alphas. What I and many people have a problem with is the complete elimination of the original alphas this late in the IC.I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
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Post by: dimo on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:20:19
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
How is that even relevant?
When he originally posted about the hiragana legends, he was talking about a separate kit. Which means:
People who wanted it: would be happy
People who didn’t want it: would be happy
...since both options would be available
NOW. He completely took away the “normal” latin alphas, which means all the people who didn’t talk in the hiragana post, are coming up and saying they don’t agree with this change.
This is by no means this “echo chamber” phenomena you keep clinging towards.
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Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:23:17
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
There's a big difference between offering a cool optional kit that people like and eliminating the main kit that people like. I have nothing, I repeat nothing against having the hiragana alphas. What I and many people have a problem with is the complete elimination of the original alphas this late in the IC.
And he's addressed this. And people that are hyped for the Hiraganas are not going to reply in general. There's really no reason to do so.
As I said, you might want to try to pair up with a vendor and Zambumon to try to run the alphas yourself if you're that enamored with the idea. People have done such things before, and if you're that interested, it doesn't hurt to try. But he's already said the sets that he will offer won't change.
How is that even relevant?
Because he was talking about the fact that the response has been universally negative, pointing to a reddit thread that has few responses and few upvotes. That's a bit disingenuous, and I was pointing that out.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:40:33
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:50:16
It's getting hot in here... Everyone could use a cup of something tasty and thinking about something else for a bit to hopefully gain some fresh perspective. Personally I'm excited for this set, whatever form it will take--I just hope I can afford it when it drops.
Agreed. Both sides have made their cases and covered all the bases, no need to repeat in more forceful terms or go off on side-quests and have things spiral out of control.
I actually just wanted to give kudos to:
... aleatory.
A great word and I have learned something today. Now to use it in my own sentence ...
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 21 April 2018, 20:20:17
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 21 April 2018, 22:39:35
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".
No.
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 21 April 2018, 22:52:16
Post by: midnight2903 on Sat, 21 April 2018, 23:47:25
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".
Yes plz
Post by: Remsky on Sun, 22 April 2018, 01:49:05
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".Have hiragana lettering with Micons and its a deal.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 22 April 2018, 04:32:36
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".
Someday there will be a set with Hiragana alphas & Micons (expanded to cover nav cluster too) in the base set, just not this set:
Just before somebody asks this: I don't plan to expand the coverage of the Micons kit. The goal adding these four keys is to continue to ease the path for a full Micon base kit.
Or will it?
Post by: otanishock on Sun, 22 April 2018, 12:39:17
Post by: ye_cole on Sun, 22 April 2018, 14:05:47
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I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Holy ****, that's the base kit. I haven't been paying much attention to this set, but now it's an INSTACOP.
Post by: midnight2903 on Sun, 22 April 2018, 17:16:34
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
Post by: tanvir175 on Sun, 22 April 2018, 17:56:02
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 22 April 2018, 20:12:00
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I just wanted it enough to do it, but felt dirty doing it. >.> And didn't get the novelties because of the cost.
Post by: otanishock on Sun, 22 April 2018, 23:38:01
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
Right? Its great to see that Zamb is not afraid of switching things around in order to offer the most economical set to the community. I can't wait to jump in line for the drop. Just make it happen already haha.
Post by: tanvir175 on Mon, 23 April 2018, 00:08:12
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I just wanted it enough to do it, but felt dirty doing it. >.> And didn't get the novelties because of the cost.
I went a little too crazy on Red Samurai. Base, Nishi, Pure Hira, Novelties, ErgoPlanck, and Spacebars.
Post by: Solotov on Mon, 23 April 2018, 03:53:07
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I just wanted it enough to do it, but felt dirty doing it. >.> And didn't get the novelties because of the cost.
I went a little to crazy on Red Samurai. Base, Nishi, Pure Hira, Novelties, ErgoPlanck, and Spacebars.
I wouldn't call that "a little"... :eek:
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 24 April 2018, 18:37:07
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
Post by: gnunin on Wed, 25 April 2018, 00:07:29
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 25 April 2018, 00:48:53
Post by: M on Wed, 25 April 2018, 01:00:53
Good day everyone,
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
Thanks for the update; I love that more sets are getting their own desk mats. I got a question though: what's the difference between RAL and Pantone matching?
Post by: oumakavoula on Wed, 25 April 2018, 01:19:59
Post by: darthzero on Wed, 25 April 2018, 02:32:41
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 25 April 2018, 07:02:54
Good day everyone,
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
I am really excited to be able to collab here! These are some of the best deskpads that I have seen in terms of design. It just really translates well. I cant wait for everyone to be able to see them!
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 25 April 2018, 08:53:29
Good day everyone,
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
I am really excited to be able to collab here! These are some of the best deskpads that I have seen in terms of design. It just really translates well. I cant wait for everyone to be able to see them!
Then show us now! Can't wait :))
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 25 April 2018, 08:59:55
So the thing about deskmats from novelkeys is that shipping outside of the US (to Europe to be specific) costs more than the mat itself.
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
Not to derail the thread further but would you mind pointing me toward where that is at? I didn't even know Violet Tendencies had a deskmat to go with it, and I can't find it in the GB thread nor on mykeyboard.eu's site.
Post by: midnight2903 on Wed, 25 April 2018, 09:10:36
So the thing about deskmats from novelkeys is that shipping outside of the US (to Europe to be specific) costs more than the mat itself.
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
Not to derail the thread further but would you mind pointing me toward where that is at? I didn't even know Violet Tendencies had a deskmat to go with it, and I can't find it in the GB thread nor on mykeyboard.eu's site.
Here ya go buddy.
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-violet-tendencies_46/
Still sad that I need proxy to get Violet Tendencies.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 25 April 2018, 09:26:34
Here ya go buddy.
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-violet-tendencies_46/
Still sad that I need proxy to get Violet Tendencies.
What da fak, how did that not come up when I searched Violet Tendencies on mykeyboard. Thanks!
That is a good way to go about it for sure; not necessarily because it makes the price way better seeing as buying directly from Mike/Massdrop, even with the huge shipping, comes out at like $38 which is 31€~, but because it avoids all sorts of headaches with customs (most EU countries cutoff for VAT is 20-25€).
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 25 April 2018, 11:11:28
Thanks for the update; I love that more sets are getting their own desk mats. I got a question though: what's the difference between RAL and Pantone matching?
It's a German standard. The RAL Design colors are arranged based on hue, lighting and chroma.
So the thing about deskmats from novelkeys is that shipping outside of the US (to Europe to be specific) costs more than the mat itself.
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
I am really excited to be able to collab here! These are some of the best deskpads that I have seen in terms of design. It just really translates well. I cant wait for everyone to be able to see them!Then show us now! Can't wait :))
You'll have to wait just a little bit, we just want to make sure that everything is alright before showing them.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 26 April 2018, 14:36:08
(https://i.redd.it/pktjhv6o0bu01.png)
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 26 April 2018, 15:12:45
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 26 April 2018, 15:42:29
Very pretty! Is there going to be a dark version of the mat by chance? With white inverted to charcoal, and charcoal inverted to white?
That would be really nice! :thumb:
Post by: oumakavoula on Thu, 26 April 2018, 15:52:35
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 26 April 2018, 17:24:34
Very pretty! Is there going to be a dark version of the mat by chance? With white inverted to charcoal, and charcoal inverted to white?
That would be really nice! :thumb:
That's something I didn't think of. Once I can confirm that the colors are alright, I might do a test for this.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 26 April 2018, 18:11:25
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 26 April 2018, 18:59:39
The current version is really nice and matches your banner. I was just thinking in terms of not getting noticeably dirty too quickly (and also going well with dark desks), the dark version is more practical.
That was the plan. I do try to clean my desk mat very often with one of those brushes used for clothes and avoid eating next to it, place glasses of water or lube switches with my deskmat close.
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 26 April 2018, 19:24:11
Post by: Theswetiyeti on Mon, 30 April 2018, 02:01:36
Post by: FSund on Mon, 30 April 2018, 02:07:28
Post by: RSC on Tue, 01 May 2018, 04:35:17
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 01 May 2018, 12:46:31
As for the desk mats, I'll see what's the best way to do the IC for them.
[GB] Massdrop x Zambumon GMK Serika Custom Keycap Set Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95415.0)