Yes.
It's on my desk.
nope,
and it never will :(
Zowie EC1-A. This one seems positive with no special drivers but without being able to get my hands on it and test a bit, I'm reluctant to pull the trigger on it right now.
As for the Zowie EC1-A, from what I had read, I expected to like this mouse. To reiterate my previous commetns, I did like the size, shape, and weight along with the switches. I also liked the muted and simple logo. I didn't like the DPI setting on the underside of the mouse and the inability to turn off the LED that illuminates the scroll wheel. My least favorite things about the Zowie were the noisy scroll wheel and slippery surface.
First, I'd like to start with stating that I have different grips for different games. For most games I use a palm grip, but for MOBA's and RTS type games I have a lazy claw grip.
Logitech G400: Used to be my ideal mouse, but the shape has become awkward as my hands have grown.
Sharkoon Fireglider: Nice shape, but it's heavy and slippery.
Trackball, lightweight, FK1 shaped, 2 macros on a side? Nada.Do you mind if I inquire why you would prefer a lightweight trackball over stocky trackball?
for my current grip, the G400 is just too heavy and doesn't feel good when palming it. the left side of the mouse is too high and the thumb-area is very wrong.
It's a mythical beast that I am not very confident will ever be found. Loved my MX revolution (especially that scroll wheel, such quality wow) but it had some issues, then got a G9x thinking it would have the same sweet scroll wheel (it didn't), still one of the better mouses I have ever used but still not perfect. Don't know what to replace it with... :( I want something with epic build quality (proper ball bearing scroll wheel) and reasonably simple (I don't need a billion buttons, just some well placed useful ones).
It's a mythical beast that I am not very confident will ever be found. Loved my MX revolution (especially that scroll wheel, such quality wow) but it had some issues, then got a G9x thinking it would have the same sweet scroll wheel (it didn't), still one of the better mouses I have ever used but still not perfect. Don't know what to replace it with... :( I want something with epic build quality (proper ball bearing scroll wheel) and reasonably simple (I don't need a billion buttons, just some well placed useful ones).
It's only skin deep, despite the looks, finish and feel, the actual construction of the newer mice is as good or better than the Revolution (which was great all around), it's a bummer they went the direction they did for the exterior.
Shape and scroll = Logitech Revolution (such a good mouse!)+1
Internals + G700s, add battery life and bluetooth.
Lastly, take a trick from Gigabyte and allow easy replacement of the Omron switches. I seem to destroy the left mouse button every 16 months or so. Normally, this isn't a big deal as Logitech or someone else comes out with a good upgrade, but that seems to have changed now. The first G700 I tried to fix, it didn't go so well.
No love for anything from Roccat?Some companies are just too German :p
Mionix are too infatuated with the 3310 for that to happen. It's understandable, but the 3366 was clearly better when I used the G502.
If Logitech made 3 changes to the G502, they would have the best mouse on the market:
-Flexible braided cable such as what Mionix employs
-G402/G303 mousewheel as a bare minimum, but they have some lessons to learn from Mionix here too
-Redesign the cable guard being used on the current crop of mice - it's absurdly intrusive
Mionix are too infatuated with the 3310 for that to happen. It's understandable, but the 3366 was clearly better when I used the G502.
If Logitech made 3 changes to the G502, they would have the best mouse on the market:
-Flexible braided cable such as what Mionix employs
-G402/G303 mousewheel as a bare minimum, but they have some lessons to learn from Mionix here too
-Redesign the cable guard being used on the current crop of mice - it's absurdly intrusive
Pretty much the only things that I would want changed as well. I'f like it if it was a little lighter but it isn't a big deal.
nothing is really wrong with the 3310, but yeah the 3366(3360) is better.
the 3366 is used in the G502, G303, G900. the 3360 is used in the Steelseries Rival 700, Finalmouse Scream One and Corsair M65 Pro.
one more mouse might be announced soon. just maybe.
i also think more mice with the sensor will come out this year, or otherwise the next
Logitech MX518 / G400.
Why the **** did they discontinue them??? argh
Logitech MX518 / G400.
Why the **** did they discontinue them??? argh
Life sucks bro. Why did MS stop making the intellimouse? If they'd make a new one I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Razer DeathAdder first gen
Razer Abysus
Logitech G100/ G100S
Logitech G402
Logitech G400
Logitech G700 --------------------- my greatest mistake, sold to my friend after a few months of regret
Microsoft IME3.0
SS Kana v2 ------------------------- secondary
Asus Strix Claw -------------------- primary
Mice bought but not yet used/ tried:
ROG Gladius
Razer DeathAdder first gen
Razer Abysus
Logitech G100/ G100S
Logitech G402
Logitech G400
Logitech G700 --------------------- my greatest mistake, sold to my friend after a few months of regret
Microsoft IME3.0
SS Kana v2 ------------------------- secondary
Asus Strix Claw -------------------- primary
Mice bought but not yet used/ tried:
ROG Gladius
You already have the best mouse.. G100s..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/admire-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862486)
You already have the best mouse.. G100s..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/admire-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862486)
but... but... it's so light!!! :eek:
Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?
You already have the best mouse.. G100s..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/admire-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862486)
but... but... it's so light!!! :eek:
Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?
Well, if you like heavy, the obvious choice is G502
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
dahhh... buhhh..
I got nothing against the Duck S
But I am not yet convinced they have the engineering expertise/experience in the mouse arena to produce as refined a product as Logitech..
They may be able to snap parts together, but there are many details which merely take time to master. And the Duck S being their very first foray, is imho not an ideal choice, given the option of a G502..
Anyone have experience with a G502 vs G9x? I'm very much a claw grip. Also any comment on the G502's scrollwheel? For reference my fav scroll wheel is on the MX revolution.
Thinking of maybe replacing my G9x with a G502 but not totally convinced yet.
You already have the best mouse.. G100s..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/admire-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862486)
but... but... it's so light!!! :eek:
Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?
Well, if you like heavy, the obvious choice is G502
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.
funnily enough that was one of the reasons i decided not to get it ^^
RGB is killing our mice!!11
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.
funnily enough that was one of the reasons i decided not to get it ^^
RGB is killing our mice!!11
Yeah.. I don't really see why all these leds are put in mice these days. I prefer a better grip / feel over some gimmicky leds. But I guess they are trying to add more "value".
yeah, with LEDs (especially RGB) they will have another "feature" they can put on their marketing page, and the box. (gee, thanks.)
for this reason i was pretty hyped when zowie stepped in as a company with their "no bs" approach. too bad they turned out to be meh
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
Like a maglev train!
For the longest time I thought it's the Steelseries Sensei wireless. I love it so much that I don't think I can get another good mouse. Then I quit gaming and started to look for something else and I came across the MX Master. Oh my, this thing is really nice. It feels good in the hand and overall just suits me perfect.
I did get a Mionix Castor as well during my recent stay overseas (along with a new laptop) as I got nothing to do and started gaming again. For the price, this mouse is really good and even though it feels very uncomfortable on the first day (hurt my pinkie a lot), I think it's on par if not better than the Sensei.
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
Like a maglev train!
No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
Like a maglev train!
No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...
Would this be realistically technologically possible today?
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3D
It would also be easier to build a --frictionless-- air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-
Magnets are ::
-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.
I would like... a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse, pixart 3366, 12 buttons.. shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.
And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
Like a maglev train!
No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...
Would this be realistically technologically possible today?
Of cause, so far as I know something similar to this already exists.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5988590/is-this-hovering-computer-mouse-real-or-fake
I don't know for sure if its real or not, but it could be made, without problem.
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3DI work with them all the time, we have enough neodymiums in the shop to pull this off on a reasonably sized pad.
It would also be easier to build a --frictionless-- air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-
Magnets are ::
-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3DI work with them all the time, we have enough neodymiums in the shop to pull this off on a reasonably sized pad.
It would also be easier to build a --frictionless-- air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-
Magnets are ::
-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.
Actually, it would be pretty simple and would not require that much money (less than a good mouse) and in general would not be dangerous to you. I could probably have one knocked out in a night it's so simple.
You could adjust the lev height, and even design it to push the mouse towards center, all of this is possible without much effort actually but would require a tad more work and you might end up with a 1/2in thick pad, but it is certainly doable. Unfortunately by the time you add the necessary mods to the mouse your hand would probably sit 3/4inches above the desk higher than it currently does. As for brittle, you could put something over to protect them easily enough, but a bigger danger is what it would to things around it. Things would get sucked in like a black hole, and it would get dirty fast.
The thing you are missing though is:
A. Many of you seem to judge mouse movement, especially cord users, by friction. You would lose that feedback.
B. It would greatly increase the mouse mass, it may be frictionless, but would still require more force to make it move fast or stop it from moving.
C. It's frictionless... Just bumping your desk would be enough to make it start floating across the pad. Ever have an optical mouse with a stray hair causing it to wander, same thing, but in this case, all of the time. Worse, how many of us are THAT good at holding your hand perfectly still without any feedback?
Bottom line is, you need need at least some friction to keep it from doing whatever it wants. Good glides, yes, frictionless, no.
Not require that much money?What you just said applies to every product.
Maybe not for 1 mouse.. But imagine building an inventory if every mouse cost $20..
What if it doesn't sell, that amounts to MILLIONS..
So, every penny counts in large volumes, which is why the manufacturers cut every corner possible.
My ideal mouse would be mind controlled. Hands wouldn't need to leave keyboard, using laptops and touchscreens would be a breeze, wouldn't get RSI from excessive clicking/scrolling.
They actually do exist using EEG headsets like Emotiv but they're not fast or precise enough to compete with a handheld mouse. Using the mind alone doesn't provide very fast input with EEGs, and aiming with the gyro in the headset is jittery.
Why stop there...Go full Matrix, get in your recliner and jack-in.
Tp4 would like to be digitized and Become the computer..
Yes, and it's called the Zowie FK1.
That's rough. FK1 + oversized pad + 400dpi/low sens is my ideal setup.Yes, and it's called the Zowie FK1.
I'm 90% sure I'd still be using this but it doesn't work on my desk, and **** mousepads.
Yup, my Kensington Expert trackball :')
Yes!!! That's the main reason I returned my Ducky Secret mouse. I've had similar issues with a number of other mice. It seems that companies have developed RBG mania -- perhaps driven by gamers or the perception that this is what gamers want. Many of the mice that I tested could have been fine if it were not for the different plastic used for the sake of cosmetic RGB effects. I wouldn't mind an optional lighting effect for something halfway functional, such as indicating the DPI setting, but this would need to be placed such that it was visible yet not anywhere within the grip areas. I also think it is possible that lighting the scroll wheel might, at least in some cases, compromise function.rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.
Anyone have experience with a G502 vs G9x? I'm very much a claw grip. Also any comment on the G502's scrollwheel? For reference my fav scroll wheel is on the MX revolution.
Thinking of maybe replacing my G9x with a G502 but not totally convinced yet.
Such mouse doesn't exist. To make a perfect mouse for me it would have to be this:Excellent suggestions!
- Deathadder shape, sensor and buttons
- Steelseries Sensei scroll wheel
- Zowie EC1A cable and configuration (no software required)
- Ducky Secret mouse lack of coating - bare PBT plastic
- No visible brand logo on top when LEDs are off
Surely if someone ever made such mouse, it's a certain best seller.
That's a toilet, right?
I had this idea recently. Basically to combine two trackball mice to the sides of the bottom half of the HHKB Pro. 2.It would not be difficult to make, however, you have a mouse button on each side of the keyboard, so any time you need to do any right button operations you will be needing both hands. Why not both buttons on each side or just a mouse/ball on the side you need most.
There would be two spheres cupped on both sides with a LMB positioned on the right side of the keyboard, similar to that of an Xbox controller.
And on the other side would be the RMB positioned on the side in the same way.
I like to keep the keyboard on my lap while typing, but every once in a while have to reach up to access the mouse. With this modification, that would not be a problem!
Connecting this bottom part to any HHKB Pro. 2 would turn it into a giant controller. If anyone would like to create a 3D model of this concept that would be pretty cool :thumb:
G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.
G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.
The teflon feet it uses is really next lvl..
It's pressed just right to reduce the total surface contact area.
Thereby producing stability without more friction.
Currently, my favorite mouse is the Logitech G403 wired. I use a Zowie mouse bungee to keep the cable elevated.G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.
The teflon feet it uses is really next lvl..
It's pressed just right to reduce the total surface contact area.
Thereby producing stability without more friction.
Works perfectly on my qck xxl. Only, when I plug in the mouse with the cable, the cable really provides friction against my desk.
logitech g400
No such product exists for what I want: A trackball that sits in front of the keyboard and sunk into the desk. So a Morency Rest with a cutout for a panelmount trackball. And make it so you can lift one side of the trackball up and tent it at any angle.
Yes.Show Image(http://www.unixstickers.com/image/cache/data/stickers/xfce/xfce.sh-600x600.png)
No such product exists for what I want: A trackball that sits in front of the keyboard and sunk into the desk. So a Morency Rest with a cutout for a panelmount trackball. And make it so you can lift one side of the trackball up and tent it at any angle.
A trackball between a set of split keyboards is the same thing.
Logitech MX Master 2 is close to perfect for me. Extremely happy with mine.
You can't get a lightweight palm-grip mouse with a hyperscroll wheel, extra buttons, weights, RGB lights and a PBT shell (denser than ABS, also relatively brittle thus needing more structural support). Those parts weigh something.
Regular Ducky Secret is 120 g, Secret M is 94 g. The difference between them is some material and a weight compartment. Hyperscroll wheels are even heavier and need a lot of space: I wonder how you could fit that and 7 regular button switches together with other components in there.
Then you wouldn't be using a mouse, but something like direct neural input instead.
Zowie fk 2 I'll swear by it till the day I die. Or Microsoft's intellimouse ;)
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I really like the WMO's shape