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« Reply #150 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:33:47 »
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This is everybody's wishes except it will be hard to guarantee unless we got someone who's near by signature plastic to make sure the color sample matches exactly.

SP has a limited palette of colors to choose from.  I have color samples from them so I should be able to choose he best match possible.
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« Reply #151 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:35:42 »
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SP has a limited palette of colors to choose from.  I have color samples from them so I should be able to choose he best match possible.

Think they also offer custom colors... but obviously that is out of our reach financially.
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« Reply #152 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:36:16 »
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As I said on the last thread:

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People who use Cherry doubleshots in ANSI keyboards taken from an ISO keyboard miss those 3 keys that I marked blue plus the keys that standard moogle kit has.

I think we'll have you covered.  ANSI left shift will be part of the base kit, so that just leaves enter and backslash to complete the ISO->ANSI adapter kit.

Whether it will be too expensive to be practical and whether we can even get the extra SVGs made are still open questions.
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« Reply #153 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:38:17 »
Also, will it also depend on their current mixes of dye formula? I ordered  some PBT caps from the inventory. Same color codes I requested for different rows of keys. They turn out to be  a bit different in close comparison.
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« Reply #154 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:41:15 »
Last round the colours were pretty good I thought
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« Reply #155 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:41:33 »
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Also, will it also depend on their current mixes of dye formula? I ordered  some PBT caps from the inventory. Same color codes I requested for different rows of keys. They turn out to be  a bit different in close comparison.

Hmmm interesting.  I don't think that's something that we could influence in any way regardless of our proximity to SP.  For ABS plastic at least, I'm pretty sure they buy it from a third party.  We had to wait on a shipment of BDH for my RGBY buy.
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« Reply #156 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:44:04 »
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Last round the colours were pretty good I thought

I agree.  I think the only real question is what will the Dolch colors be.  Kisa is going to let me compare my samples with his Dolch keys.
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« Reply #157 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:46:25 »
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Wow... Just wow... So... It doesn't cost anything extra, yet it is "unfair"... I'm not seeing anything unfair about it. You just order that many more of those keys and charge me the money for them. It's not "unfair", it is "nice". If I were the organizer of a GB, I would let everybody order ONLY the keys that they wanted. You can hold me to that word too.

I guess the only way you'd let me have any of those keys separately would be if a windows hater volunteered to let me buy them from their kit. And you just ship them to me instead of them. Or is that also "unfair"?


I don't want you to go away with hard feelings man.  What you're asking is unreasonable though.  These are kits, not individual keys.
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« Reply #158 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:52:04 »
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I don't want you to go away with hard feelings man.  What you're asking is unreasonable though.  These are kits, not individual keys.

Ya, Ed,　hope you can understand that we don't have that large of a order base to make fully customized kit a reasonable path. And if you can prove to us otherwise, I think we will all be more than happy to join your group buy.

7bit ended up getting rid of tons of kits or some simply ended up unreasonable priced. And you are talking about a lot more people than we got here pre-ordering all kinda different things in GB4
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« Reply #159 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:55:25 »
Sorry for trolling...

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« Reply #160 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 18:02:46 »
I forgive you, player.
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« Reply #161 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 01:47:02 »
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+1 support for "Control" rather than "caps lock"

And I'd like to float the idea of OSX modifiers in the Cherry style.

I support both of these ideas.

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« Reply #162 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 02:18:00 »
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I agree.  I think the only real question is what will the Dolch colors be.  Kisa is going to let me compare my samples with his Dolch keys.

I can help with that as well, if you like. I've got the color rings and 2 Dolch keyboards to compare with.
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« Reply #163 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 06:19:38 »
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I can help with that as well, if you like. I've got the color rings and 2 Dolch keyboards to compare with.

That would be cool, thanks.  Good to have a second opinion.
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« Reply #164 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 09:17:44 »
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I think we'll have you covered.  ANSI left shift will be part of the base kit, so that just leaves enter and backslash to complete the ISO->ANSI adapter kit.

Whether it will be too expensive to be practical and whether we can even get the extra SVGs made are still open questions.

I didn't understand it the first time so that's the reason I repeated it. English is not my main language and sometimes I missunderstand posts :P

Now as I tsangan pointed out I see that Shifts are covered for the moment.

If there is enough interest I would like to have those 2 keys, obviously it depends on what people demand. Not going to force anyone to include them in the Group Buy as I asked for them as a suggestion.

Thanks for the work.

Also I'm interested in Anti Caps Lock too. The best way to know if people really wants Control to replace Caps Lock in the main kit is a Poll to see how many people would prefer that option.
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« Reply #165 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 09:35:19 »
What is the point of those iso-> ansi kits if you have still a ton of wrong labels on the keys even if they fit?
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« Reply #166 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 09:59:05 »
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What is the point of those iso-> ansi kits if you have still a ton of wrong labels on the keys even if they fit?

plenty of ppl are using german cherry ds keysets outside of germany because of their availability
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« Reply #167 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 10:04:31 »
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Also I'm interested in Anti Caps Lock too. The best way to know if people really wants Control to replace Caps Lock in the main kit is a Poll to see how many people would prefer that option.

There was a poll about having polls and having polls lost.
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« Reply #168 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 10:06:41 »
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I didn't understand it the first time so that's the reason I repeated it. English is not my main language and sometimes I missunderstand posts :P

Now as I tsangan pointed out I see that Shifts are covered for the moment.

If there is enough interest I would like to have those 2 keys, obviously it depends on what people demand. Not going to force anyone to include them in the Group Buy as I asked for them as a suggestion.

Thanks for the work.

Also I'm interested in Anti Caps Lock too. The best way to know if people really wants Control to replace Caps Lock in the main kit is a Poll to see how many people would prefer that option.
Main kit it won't be feasible because a lot more people use regular layout, but as a add-on kit it's definitely likely to happen with the current interest.

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What is the point of those iso-> ansi kits if you have still a ton of wrong labels on the keys even if they fit?
I also have no idea, but some people seem to want it ._.
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« Reply #169 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 10:16:48 »
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OS X People, my idea is dead simple, see if you're ok with it.

The only thing that *I'd* like is a "Command" key to replace the Windows logo key.
I'd like to keep it simple, as that will help it become a reality.

Hashbaz, you can tell me if it's crazytown or not.
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« Reply #170 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 10:37:36 »
I do believe that was answered already, for the sake of keeping the set as original as possible it will be the Windows key
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« Reply #171 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 11:06:21 »
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I do believe that was answered already, for the sake of keeping the set as original as possible it will be the Windows key

THEN I'M OUT!!!

Nah, I'm in.
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« Reply #172 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 11:54:19 »
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OS X People, my idea is dead simple, see if you're ok with it.

The only thing that *I'd* like is a "Command" key to replace the Windows logo key.
I'd like to keep it simple, as that will help it become a reality.

Hashbaz, you can tell me if it's crazytown or not.

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I do believe that was answered already, for the sake of keeping the set as original as possible it will be the Windows key

The base kit will definitely have a Win key.  A command key add-on is a possibility, but I haven't seen a ton of demand for it.
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« Reply #173 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 12:12:26 »
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The base kit will definitely have a Win key.  A command key add-on is a possibility, but I haven't seen a ton of demand for it.

Any info from SP yet. Or are we still gathering interest for exactly what we want?
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« Reply #174 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 12:46:01 »
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Any info from SP yet. Or are we still gathering interest for exactly what we want?

I sent an email to Melissa last night requesting quotes for the keys from the kits tsangan put together.
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« Reply #175 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 12:47:07 »
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I sent an email to Melissa last night requesting quotes for the keys from the kits tsangan put together.

Sweet. Can't wait to hear what she comes up with.
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« Reply #176 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 12:51:05 »
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The base kit will definitely have a Win key.  A command key add-on is a possibility, but I haven't seen a ton of demand for it.

I'm somewhat interested in a Moogle kit, they look nice.

I think it would be nice if we could find a generic symbol that everyone agrees on a good replacement for windows. Tho I'd guess there would be a bunch of people who think that the windows key is nice and shouldn't be changed.
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« Reply #177 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:04:17 »
But then it kills thta classic look on a cherry set.
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« Reply #178 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:06:15 »
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I think it would be nice if we could find a generic symbol that everyone agrees on a good replacement for windows.

The whole point of this kit is to replicate OEM Cherry keys as closely as possible. Why would we replicate it selectively?
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« Reply #179 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:07:10 »
Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?

Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?
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« Reply #180 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:11:19 »
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Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?

Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?


Cherry's window/menu key are pad printed, they look awesome though
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« Reply #181 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:13:17 »
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Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?

Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?

Yes, last round's legends were too thick all around.  The RGBY legends are much better, and we're planning to redo Caps Lock/Win/Menu in a similar vein.

Left pic shows R2 moogles against real Cherry keys.  Middle shows RGBY against R2 moogle.  Right shows RGBY against Cherry (with moogles and aggiejy's RGB set on bottom).

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« Reply #182 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:14:01 »
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Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?

Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?


Was it changed in round 2? I have a picture from one of Reapers boards. And the windows logo looks like it covers more then half the key. I recently got a moogle and it seems smaller. I don't have a pic of them side by side but you can see the difference in pics of the sets on boards. Or is it an optical illusion?
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« Reply #183 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:25:24 »
The first picture is moogle kit R2 which used a different cutter to make the font more wide, but also made win/menu key thicker also

The second picture is from moogle kit R1 where we used the normal cutter so the fonts were really thin and didn't match the Cherry font, but the win/menu keys looked good
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« Reply #184 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:28:26 »
The Poker is an R2 moogle kit and the Filco is R1.  R1 kits used SP's default font.
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« Reply #185 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:28:38 »
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The first picture is moogle kit R2 which used a different cutter to make the font more wide, but also made win/menu key thicker also

The second picture is from moogle kit R1 where we used the normal cutter so the fonts were really thin and didn't match the Cherry font, but the win/menu keys looked good

Ah I see. And I agree with your statement there. Original win and menu looked better the first time.
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« Reply #186 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:29:44 »
Curse you tsangan, you ninja'd me again.  This brings up an interesting idea though.  Why not just use SP's regular Win and Menu keys and save on SVG creation time and legend fees?
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« Reply #187 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 13:29:52 »
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Ah I see. And I agree with your statement there. Original win and menu looked better the first time.

I can see SP screwing up big time on this lol

Hashbaz tells them ISO shift only arrow and they manage to make it only "shift" .___.


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Curse you tsangan, you ninja'd me again.  This brings up an interesting idea though.  Why not just use SP's regular Win and Menu keys and save on SVG time and legend fees?
Yeah SP's regular win/menu looks fine compared to OEM Cherry, so we can do it that way
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« Reply #188 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:43:43 »
If you use SP's default font on the windows and menu keys then I don't even want them as well. Moogle 2 got the windows and menu keys perfectly.
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« Reply #189 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:53:39 »
But they are huge and so thick?
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« Reply #190 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:53:53 »
Can we use some molds from R1 and some molds from R2 to get the best from both?
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« Reply #191 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:56:40 »
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If you use SP's default font on the windows and menu keys then I don't even want them as well. Moogle 2 got the windows and menu keys perfectly.
You're back!

How about this, we make for you your own special set where you can pick and choose from any of the keys and if its not there you can tell us what you want and we'll make it for you! Not only that you can pick whatever style you want AND you pay less! What do you say?

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« Reply #192 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:57:18 »
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Can we use some molds from R1 and some molds from R2 to get the best from both?

I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.
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« Reply #193 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:58:06 »
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I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.

That sounds perfect
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« Reply #194 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 16:06:21 »
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I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.
^ Lets do this.

Throwing it out there as well, if we're redesigning the caps lock, could we not do it in the handbag style? I'm not fussed either way but it could be quite nice.
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« Reply #195 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 16:10:25 »


I wish we could do these. Has SP ever done windowed keys?
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« Reply #196 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 16:11:17 »
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^ Lets do this.

Throwing it out there as well, if we're redesigning the caps lock, could we not do it in the handbag style? I'm not fussed either way but it could be quite nice.
Are you suggesting just handbag or handbag + "Caps Lock"?

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« Reply #197 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 16:11:42 »
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I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.

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That sounds perfect

Yes, use the best of all worlds.  The Ultimate Moogle Kit!  Until Round 4 Moogle Kit!
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« Reply #198 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 16:12:16 »
Like Reptile's picture but just the handbag.
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« Reply #199 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 16:14:03 »
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Like Reptile's picture but just the handbag.
People will be on the fence on that as EU users might be used to it but ANSI users are used to "Caps Lock"
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