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Title: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 5th)
Post by: Simen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 12:40:03
(https://i.imgur.com/BLBfFUq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fL0NOOG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/M8k0qmj.jpg)

About me
Hi Geekhackers. This is INETT STUDIO. We are a relatively new keyboard design studio founded in March 2018. The QQ group id (if you know what it is) is 528509432. This is my second IC after Triangle 103 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94688.0). The Triangle 103 GB, unfortunately, only happened in China due to the 2 months limit of new accounts on GH. Here  (https://imgur.com/a/eOi1F4c)are some photos from the Chinese GB if you are interested. Now we bring our newest design to you.

(https://i.imgur.com/5k0dx6O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EotX7cH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/j29kPk1.jpg)

Cross 70%
Cross 70% is a board features with a special semi-embedded top&bottom structure and a unique 70% layout. With different color combinations, the semi-embedded structure can offer numerous possibilities from the top and side views. On the top right corner is a nameplate similar to Triangle 103. I really appreciate Pakay and JJ 's help.

More
(https://i.imgur.com/Rpb91hQ.jpg)

Army green color

(https://i.imgur.com/aq71ZVB.jpg)

Yellow color

(https://i.imgur.com/awyfnHR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MgsLEu0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OrdQsjK.jpg)

Oreo color

(https://i.imgur.com/33jF8bX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MtVL9Id.jpg)

Two-piece bottom weights with convex engraving

Features

(https://i.imgur.com/2TutOMx.png)
More
Renders

(https://i.imgur.com/zK1jlzZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pNO2oSp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0AaoMnk.jpg)

Thank YORK.C for the beautiful rendering with SA-2600.



Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks you!


Please fill in the interest check form here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1-rnoMNgOO_mDlrr7EhsFNMbKnXT7nwMEAtyyUY17Ql8)

New Renders for Ver. B


(https://i.imgur.com/asTI0v0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7h4pg9O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/A22mdly.jpg)

USB C is confirmed.

QMK PCB is confirmed.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 13:10:24
Maybe it’s too late now but the 6 key cluster offset from the top rows really bothers me. Also, with tall keycaps you’d have a harder time seeing the indicator led bar.

I’d prefer to see cluster aligned with first and second row with the indicator strip underneath that. Would be more aesthetically pleasing and also easier to see the led bar.

Other than that I really like the design!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 26 August 2018, 14:34:31
I agree. The vertical offset for the navigation cluster is off-putting.

Interesting idea though. I was waiting to see if anybody would do something like this layout!

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Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Sun, 26 August 2018, 14:35:28
This is pretty great for us TKL folks. The color combos are super interesting. I am in.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 26 August 2018, 14:42:18
Imho

(https://i.imgur.com/VYd9r13.png)
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: Simen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 15:23:11
Quote from: LightningXI on Sun, 26 August 2018, 14:34:31
I agree. The vertical offset for the navigation cluster is off-putting.

Interesting idea though. I was waiting to see if anybody would do something like this layout!

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Quote from: cijanzen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 13:10:24
Maybe it’s too late now but the 6 key cluster offset from the top rows really bothers me. Also, with tall keycaps you’d have a harder time seeing the indicator led bar.

I’d prefer to see cluster aligned with first and second row with the indicator strip underneath that. Would be more aesthetically pleasing and also easier to see the led bar.

Other than that I really like the design!

Quote from: KaosJ on Sun, 26 August 2018, 14:42:18
Imho

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/VYd9r13.png)


Thanks for the feedback. The offset of the 6 keys cluster was designed to be in this way intentionally. It's for my subtle aesthetics. Now I see maybe it's not for everyone.

Let's see if the offset bothers more people or not. I'll change it if most people don't like it. Please leave your comments here whether you like it or not. The decisions will be made according to your voices.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: bball2 on Sun, 26 August 2018, 15:26:08
@KaosJ, great suggestion!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 15:29:29
Quote from: KaosJ on Sun, 26 August 2018, 14:42:18
Imho

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/VYd9r13.png)


That could work better for alignment but then you still have the issue of led strip visibility problem with taller keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: mrkantz on Sun, 26 August 2018, 17:41:51
I like the offset of the original design. It makes it more visually interesting to me.

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Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: txclack on Sun, 26 August 2018, 19:17:14
WKL?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Sun, 26 August 2018, 20:33:36
I'm all for this board getting made, but would love to see a wkl rather than an hhkb style.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 26 August 2018, 21:38:28
I think the offset is interesting and unique (or at least very rare), and I'd go further and say from an aesthetic perspective you could have the same offset underneath the arrows too. Don't stone me!

That said, *if* you can't see the full LED strip from a normal sitting position without having to crane your neck one way or t'other, then any aesthetics are irrelevant - form over function in my book - and put the LED between the arrows and the 6-cluster as others have said.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: Simen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 21:55:11
Quote from: txclack on Sun, 26 August 2018, 19:17:14
WKL?

Quote from: Peiweisgreat on Sun, 26 August 2018, 20:33:36
I'm all for this board getting made, but would love to see a wkl rather than an hhkb style.

WKL is a go if there are interests :)
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: Simen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 21:56:00
Quote from: mrpetrov on Sun, 26 August 2018, 21:38:28
I'd go further and say from an aesthetic perspective you could have the same offset underneath the arrows too. Don't stone me!

Good point  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Mon, 27 August 2018, 00:24:30
I like the offset in the original design. Its unique and would look great with the LED strip. If he moved it to the stock location, then its just a short-profiled TKL. I say innovate if you want to...
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 27 August 2018, 01:11:21
Quote from: Simen on Sun, 26 August 2018, 21:56:00
Quote from: mrpetrov on Sun, 26 August 2018, 21:38:28
I'd go further and say from an aesthetic perspective you could have the same offset underneath the arrows too. Don't stone me!

Good point  :thumb:

+1 Offsets for both editing and arrows clusters would be nice.  If you add macro cluster (offset) far left, that would be my dream layout.  3x4 will supplment 12 functions keys, or it can be other functions of course.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: York Chan on Mon, 27 August 2018, 03:36:04
I think this design can quickly locate the backspace key, I like it very much :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: Malicious on Mon, 27 August 2018, 06:02:10
Shut up and take my money  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: sun_day on Mon, 27 August 2018, 11:26:28
I   like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70%
Post by: Simen on Mon, 27 August 2018, 13:11:40
Quote from: York Chan on Mon, 27 August 2018, 03:36:04
I think this design can quickly locate the backspace key, I like it very much :thumb:

Thanks my friend!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: Simen on Mon, 27 August 2018, 13:14:24
(https://i.imgur.com/y7mv1Ki.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Hw8P4Ke.jpg)

Here are the renders of another style top case .

Please fill in the interest check form here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1-rnoMNgOO_mDlrr7EhsFNMbKnXT7nwMEAtyyUY17Ql8)
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 27 August 2018, 16:15:50
Quote from: Simen on Mon, 27 August 2018, 13:14:24
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/y7mv1Ki.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Hw8P4Ke.jpg)


Here are the renders of another style top case .

Please fill in the interest check form here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1-rnoMNgOO_mDlrr7EhsFNMbKnXT7nwMEAtyyUY17Ql8)

This, to me, works and looks much better!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 27 August 2018, 16:23:50
i actually think the slight offset looks good, but if it did get brought down i wouldn't really mind. would really prefer WKL though  :thumb: otherwise i think this is a really sharp looking tkl
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 27 August 2018, 18:28:26
Looking noice. Overall low profile is sick. +1
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 27 August 2018, 23:42:57
Very interested, that is one unique board. Voted in for LED indicators above arrow keys.

Will this PCB use bootmapper as well?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 28 August 2018, 08:55:32
will the pcb support in switch leds?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: Simen on Wed, 29 August 2018, 10:04:44
Quote from: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 27 August 2018, 23:42:57
Very interested, that is one unique board. Voted in for LED indicators above arrow keys.

Will this PCB use bootmapper as well?

Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: Simen on Wed, 29 August 2018, 10:05:38
Quote from: _ODIN_ on Tue, 28 August 2018, 08:55:32
will the pcb support in switch leds?

Yes
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: lanyusea on Thu, 30 August 2018, 02:44:38
hope the HHKB layout can be 7u or 6u instead of 6.25u
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: rioc on Fri, 31 August 2018, 08:15:39
hmm, interesting.... have always been interested in this layout style but only found cheap boards featuring it, so far...
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: OracleKev on Fri, 31 August 2018, 08:30:32
Quote from: rioc on Fri, 31 August 2018, 08:15:39
hmm, interesting.... have always been interested in this layout style but only found cheap boards featuring it, so far...

That's why something like offset or far left macro cluster is needed.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: KeLorean on Fri, 31 August 2018, 11:12:17
well, i absolutely love this. i will definitely come out of board buying retirement for this baby! i think the del,ins,pu,pd cluster looks fine where it is also. i also like a lot of the color options. i love the retro look of the black on white, but also like the gold on white, and im also a big fan of that white on green. have u considered wkl? might bring the design together more than the hhkb, imo. anyway, great work!!!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: Simen on Sat, 01 September 2018, 21:50:37
Quote from: lanyusea on Thu, 30 August 2018, 02:44:38
hope the HHKB layout can be 7u or 6u instead of 6.25u

I figured most people would love 7u for HHKB layout over 6.25. so yea, it will be 7u
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: Simen on Sat, 01 September 2018, 21:55:54
Quote from: KeLorean on Fri, 31 August 2018, 11:12:17
well, i absolutely love this. i will definitely come out of board buying retirement for this baby! i think the del,ins,pu,pd cluster looks fine where it is also. i also like a lot of the color options. i love the retro look of the black on white, but also like the gold on white, and im also a big fan of that white on green. have u considered wkl? might bring the design together more than the hhkb, imo. anyway, great work!!!

Thanks. I do have considered WKL. The only thing I worried about was the MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 01 September 2018, 22:16:47
Quote from: Simen on Sat, 01 September 2018, 21:55:54
Quote from: KeLorean on Fri, 31 August 2018, 11:12:17
well, i absolutely love this. i will definitely come out of board buying retirement for this baby! i think the del,ins,pu,pd cluster looks fine where it is also. i also like a lot of the color options. i love the retro look of the black on white, but also like the gold on white, and im also a big fan of that white on green. have u considered wkl? might bring the design together more than the hhkb, imo. anyway, great work!!!

Thanks. I do have considered WKL. The only thing I worried about was the MOQ.

WKL pls...
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: KeLorean on Sun, 02 September 2018, 08:31:49
im not sure if anyone else asked, and i forgot to put it in my interest check form. im a big fan of qmk. will this board either be flashable with qmk, or will u cooperate with us those interested in porting it?


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Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: gilmoregrills on Tue, 04 September 2018, 07:06:48
Love this! 70% is such a good size. Also forgot to add it in the IC form, but QMK would be really nice to have (though it's not necessarily a deal-breaker)

Also +1 on the WKL, it looks really pretty with this layout
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 04 September 2018, 08:56:38
Quote from: OracleKev on Sat, 01 September 2018, 22:16:47
Quote from: Simen on Sat, 01 September 2018, 21:55:54
Quote from: KeLorean on Fri, 31 August 2018, 11:12:17
well, i absolutely love this. i will definitely come out of board buying retirement for this baby! i think the del,ins,pu,pd cluster looks fine where it is also. i also like a lot of the color options. i love the retro look of the black on white, but also like the gold on white, and im also a big fan of that white on green. have u considered wkl? might bring the design together more than the hhkb, imo. anyway, great work!!!

Thanks. I do have considered WKL. The only thing I worried about was the MOQ.

WKL pls...

+1
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: klayyan on Tue, 04 September 2018, 09:18:29
ding
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated IC form)
Post by: kimwonsik on Mon, 10 September 2018, 13:12:47
Ah me!
I'm just sick and tired of waiting for group bays.
I'm really looking forward to it.
I want to buy it quickly. ~
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: Simen on Sun, 16 September 2018, 13:49:31
Updated new renders. USB C and QMK PCB are both confirmed.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: ItsAllen on Sun, 16 September 2018, 22:49:58
Holy smokes. I like this one a lot.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 16 September 2018, 23:21:39
What's the angle? I really like it a lot but I'm not so into flat profiles
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: ErgoMacros on Mon, 17 September 2018, 00:19:20
He said 3 degrees.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 17 September 2018, 04:45:58
Interested, but the top offset does present some problems as others have mentioned. Also looking for winkeyless
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: BerserkZz on Mon, 17 September 2018, 11:26:08
Really like the overall design, but 3 degrees is really a deal breaker for me. Wish it could be increased to at least 5 degrees
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: mushubanane on Mon, 17 September 2018, 14:36:57
Really love the HHKB top version. To me the lower angle is great for sculpted SA caps, which don't see much love these days partly due to cases having a high angle
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 17 September 2018, 16:04:06
Quote from: mushubanane on Mon, 17 September 2018, 14:36:57
Really love the HHKB top version. To me the lower angle is great for sculpted SA caps, which don't see much love these days partly due to cases having a high angle
Agreed. 5 or less degree to me is optimal for SA. 7 and 8 degree customs are abismal to type on with SA caps.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (updated to Ver.B)
Post by: Simen on Mon, 17 September 2018, 19:54:05
Quote from: wholypantalones on Mon, 17 September 2018, 04:45:58
Interested, but the top offset does present some problems as others have mentioned. Also looking for winkeyless

WKL (7u spacebar) will be available.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: Simen on Fri, 28 September 2018, 19:03:28
So far most details have been settled. The changes include:


Several other good suggestions, unfortunately, were not accepted. There are a lot of tradeoffs. The top right LED indicators will stay as is because 67.1% responses support this option.

I'm planning to open the GB during 10/3 to 10/18. The MOQ is 30 kits. The limit is also 30 to make it manageable. Hope we can reach the MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: ihalatch on Fri, 28 September 2018, 20:19:01
What is the front hight of the keyboard?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 29 September 2018, 01:53:41
Quote from: Simen on Fri, 28 September 2018, 19:03:28
The MOQ is 30 kits. The limit is also 30 to make it manageable. Hope we can reach the MOQ.

I'd be surprised this is an issue.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: Simen on Sat, 29 September 2018, 10:02:16
Quote from: ihalatch on Fri, 28 September 2018, 20:19:01
What is the front hight of the keyboard?

16cm in front

the back is 22cm
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: mkarlsson on Sat, 29 September 2018, 11:03:33
Quote from: Simen on Sat, 29 September 2018, 10:02:16
Quote from: ihalatch on Fri, 28 September 2018, 20:19:01
What is the front hight of the keyboard?

16cm in front

the back is 22cm

I guess you ment mm, and wow very impressive low front! Nice!
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: SteffeMK on Sun, 30 September 2018, 06:34:14
What is the price going to be?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 02 October 2018, 21:47:48
Might be a dumb question but is this a sandwich mount or tray mount?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: Funspoyler on Thu, 04 October 2018, 07:24:05
Where is the link to the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: Simen on Thu, 04 October 2018, 11:21:33
Quote from: SteffeMK on Sun, 30 September 2018, 06:34:14
What is the price going to be?

$300ish for all aluminum kit
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: Simen on Thu, 04 October 2018, 11:21:50
Quote from: bthezebra on Tue, 02 October 2018, 21:47:48
Might be a dumb question but is this a sandwich mount or tray mount?

top mount
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 3rd)
Post by: Simen on Thu, 04 October 2018, 11:22:48
Quote from: Funspoyler on Thu, 04 October 2018, 07:24:05
Where is the link to the GB?

Need two more days to figure out some details.
Title: Re: [IC] [I]NETT- CROSS 70% (GB starts on Oct. 5th)
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 04 October 2018, 14:54:50
Which colours will be available in the GB and how much will international shipping cost?