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[IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 18:06:09 »


Greetings! This set is inspired by an imaginary entity, more like a personal design and helper. Here, I present you Bim, a colourful robot and computer which would really love to be your friend. From now on, Bim will show you what he can do.

Many people asked Bim: Why did you change the manufacture to DCX?
Response: I have the answer for this. I have changed the manufacture to DCX due to recent high prices from GMK and lack of quality. This is the most convenient variant for customers and vendors due to the price they offer, high production speed and great quality. If you have any suggestions, I will be happy to know your opinion.


Note: The renders on the boards don't have the current legend color arrangement as I am going to replace them with photos when the sample base kit will be ready.

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Bim is presenting now his Vendor List:
  • US: Drop
  • AU: Switchkeys
  • EU: Candykeys
  • UK: Prototypist
  • China: zFrontier
  • CA: Ashkeebs
  • SEA: Zion Studios

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    Congrats! With this kit you'll have selfies of Bim by your side as well as some other icons
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    To lighten-up your keyboard, this kit consists of Bim's multiple colors.
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  • Info: 29 July | Saturday | Board: FROG TKL BY GEONWORKS




  • Info: 26 July | Wednesday | Board: Amano by h40.io



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Offline balance

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 18:07:49 »
reserved

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 18:11:16 »
I'm going to get a seat

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 18:23:24 »
Is this “bim” in the room with us right now?

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 18:24:41 »
Is this “bim” in the room with us right now?
Yes.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 18:36:41 »
This is really cute!

Some kitting suggestions:

Base
* You’re missing some numpad 1u keys in base (R1 Pg Dn, R1 End, R2 -, R3 +, R4 0). You could consider splitting these out into a separate kit.
* if you’re adding the 2x 1.5u super keys, you should add a second 1u alt for hhkb legend support (or remove the 2x 1.5u supers to save space)

40s
* the 1.25u spacebar in 40s kit should be a 2u
* i would trim down the number of accents in 40s by choosing a left side color (esc) and a right side color (enter)
* you’re missing 1.5u enter keys, which are important
* you can kill the 1.75u lock key
* add a mod-colored 1u ‘“ key

GLWIC, it’s a tough market for gmk gb’s and there’s a lot of kits here so I hope you find a good vendor to back this. It’s a cool set.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 19:35:50 »
Not-scuffed Nord.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 19:52:16 »
Love the colors and the theme. Given the current delays with GMK, would you be open to using another manu such as Keykobo?

Offline involuntarysoul

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 20:15:32 »
please no more GMK

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 29 July 2023, 21:34:13 »
Eff it, I'll ask: could the accent arrows be in base? They really "make" this good in my opinion.

Please consider Key Kobo. Their quality is very close to GMK but they have a tidy li'l four-month (ish) turn around time, as well as much lower costs, that makes them much more attractive.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 16:24:44 »
Please consider Key Kobo. Their quality is very close to GMK but they have a tidy li'l four-month (ish) turn around time, as well as much lower costs, that makes them much more attractive.

For example, the Keykobo WoB/BoW/RGB GB ended 31 July 2022 and shipped in December.

And Miami Dawn finished 30 April 2023 and is expected to ship in Q3 2023.

But do you know if Keykobo Poltergeist has shipped yet?  The GB ended 24 October 2022.

The Keykobo sets I've seen recently didn't have GBs but rather went on sale as in-stock.  For example, Retro Mixed Lights and Gigachad/Gigachild.  Not that that's a bad thing, especially if there is an IC to consider community feedback before kits are set in stone.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 16:45:46 »
bim but no vim

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 17:31:42 »

Hey bim, guess what

Offline cthalupa

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 19:32:39 »
Cute set.

KKB points are valid but GMK has done a lot to clear the queue this year and seems to be catching up.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 19:48:07 »
Please consider Key Kobo. Their quality is very close to GMK but they have a tidy li'l four-month (ish) turn around time, as well as much lower costs, that makes them much more attractive.

For example, the Keykobo WoB/BoW/RGB GB ended 31 July 2022 and shipped in December.

And Miami Dawn finished 30 April 2023 and is expected to ship in Q3 2023.

But do you know if Keykobo Poltergeist has shipped yet?  The GB ended 24 October 2022.

The Keykobo sets I've seen recently didn't have GBs but rather went on sale as in-stock.  For example, Retro Mixed Lights and Gigachad/Gigachild.  Not that that's a bad thing, especially if there is an IC to consider community feedback before kits are set in stone.

Fair enough. My comment was a bit hyperbolic. I know that Retro Mixed Lights went from IC to fulfilling in about 4-5 months. It seems that as of this month, Miami Dusk has finished production and shipping to vendors is now underway.

I don't actually know if KKB really have a four month turn-around time, but it seems to be significantly less time. I own Gigachad and the quality's impressive.

I honestly just threw out the suggestion for fun, but sorry for saying four months 'cos it's not necessarily true.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 21:44:35 »
It's not bad, but...when I look at this IC I feel nothing. I feel like I've seen this exact design and design language multiple times by this point.

As far as "objective" feedback goes:
Half of the mod legends are colored, half are grey. It looks off, and will look even more off with 65% and 75% boards. On top of that, none of the color placement is consistent between rows (though messy is kind of the look this design language goes for, I guess).
The 40s kit just shouldn't exist. 3 key with GMK or nothing.
Remove tertiary legends from Norde. Honestly, probably cut Norde entirely.
The detailed novelties aren't to GMK specs and will need to be fixed.
The extension kit is just...an abomination. Every color you add in a kit it increases the cost with GMK. Delete this kit and put every "essential" key into novs. 

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 30 July 2023, 21:48:25 »
Nice look, nice renders! GLWIC

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 31 July 2023, 00:07:19 »
i cannot wait for this set to run, my interest is checked

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 31 July 2023, 07:15:53 »
Cute set.

KKB points are valid but GMK has done a lot to clear the queue this year and seems to be catching up.

i think ppl copium this way out of proportion. gmk has barely increased production since their sorting machines were installed in january. in case ppl dont know how numbers work: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X_al_WIHs-7CmwTLQtwVsPHx5QO-CBYStMLuvaWS0M8/edit#gid=0

in january at the time of that announcement the average production of sets per month was 8. now 7 months later, the average has flatlined at a whopping 10 per month. yes 10 is better than 8 but hardly anything to write home about. there are still 80 GBs in queue. the only thing that helps clear up the backlog is people not doing GBs with GMK (the sharp decline in GBs in 2023 compared to years prior is the single most helpful thing going for reducing GB times, not some stupid sorting machines). the most realistic time frame for turnaround for todays GB is 9 months. comparing that blindly to last year's 18 months seems like a massive production increase, but like i said, their production has barely increased. the only reason for the reduction in lead time is due to the nose-dive falloff of total number of GBs ran per year since 2021.

lets not forget their claim that lead times will be 6 months by mid this year. well, its already past mid year and 6 month lead time is almost as laughable as their claim that they will have been caught up with all backlog (prior to Euler) by sept. im no math genius but 80 sets at 10/mo avg is 8 months and sept is next month. spin me your best mental gymnastics to convince that a GMK GB ran today will ship by january lmao

you will not see reasonable production times (4-6 month turnaround) until well into 2024. and once we get there, there has to be a maximum cap of no more than 10 sets ran per month in order for the queue to sustain positive at that rate. hopefully the hobby has died enough that there wont be another boom to instantly jam the queue back up again
« Last Edit: Mon, 31 July 2023, 07:29:26 by AmethystDCVR »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 31 July 2023, 22:17:12 »
Cute set.

KKB points are valid but GMK has done a lot to clear the queue this year and seems to be catching up.

i think ppl copium this way out of proportion. gmk has barely increased production since their sorting machines were installed in january. in case ppl dont know how numbers work: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X_al_WIHs-7CmwTLQtwVsPHx5QO-CBYStMLuvaWS0M8/edit#gid=0

in january at the time of that announcement the average production of sets per month was 8. now 7 months later, the average has flatlined at a whopping 10 per month. yes 10 is better than 8 but hardly anything to write home about. there are still 80 GBs in queue. the only thing that helps clear up the backlog is people not doing GBs with GMK (the sharp decline in GBs in 2023 compared to years prior is the single most helpful thing going for reducing GB times, not some stupid sorting machines). the most realistic time frame for turnaround for todays GB is 9 months. comparing that blindly to last year's 18 months seems like a massive production increase, but like i said, their production has barely increased. the only reason for the reduction in lead time is due to the nose-dive falloff of total number of GBs ran per year since 2021.

lets not forget their claim that lead times will be 6 months by mid this year. well, its already past mid year and 6 month lead time is almost as laughable as their claim that they will have been caught up with all backlog (prior to Euler) by sept. im no math genius but 80 sets at 10/mo avg is 8 months and sept is next month. spin me your best mental gymnastics to convince that a GMK GB ran today will ship by january lmao

you will not see reasonable production times (4-6 month turnaround) until well into 2024. and once we get there, there has to be a maximum cap of no more than 10 sets ran per month in order for the queue to sustain positive at that rate. hopefully the hobby has died enough that there wont be another boom to instantly jam the queue back up again

You're putting up a lot of strawmen and shifting a lot of goalposts in here. A 25% increase in set delivery is a significant increase. I'm not claiming a set run today would deliver in January or anything about GMK's previous estimates.

Just that if someone really wants to run GMK for whatever reason they may have, GMK is clearing out the queue and it is returning to more sane wait times.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 01 August 2023, 12:44:57 »
Honestly, probably cut Norde entirely.

Spoken like someone who doesn't use it. OP, don't do this, please. Although it's hard to get them over the MOQ for GMK they should still be attempted.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 01 August 2023, 20:05:49 »
Honestly, probably cut Norde entirely.

Spoken like someone who doesn't use it. OP, don't do this, please. Although it's hard to get them over the MOQ for GMK they should still be attempted.

I've always supported Norde in my sets, even though I don't use it. The reality with GMK is that the only way a norde child kit gets made is if either the set is highly popular or the EU vendor buys it out. In the current market asking an EU vendor to buy out a child kit is asking a lot.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 01 August 2023, 21:28:38 »
Agree unfortunately. Too many kits that won't hit MOQ.

International kit will be a mission in the current climate, and 40s users unfortunately don't show up on game day. Better off with basic 40s support in base.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 02 August 2023, 03:13:33 »
Ignoring the fact this this set is more or less a pastiche of other sets, it kinda feels all over the place.

The concept is odd, the novelties don't really match the rest of the set either — they feature a character that no-one has any attachment to as it's brand new IP, a nonsense word (imagine trying to explain to someone why your return key says "bimter"), and inexplicable curvy arrows. Plus the macro keys could at least say "bim 1", "bim 2" etc if you are wedded to this concept.

You've also got so many accent colours that this would be one of the largest sets I've ever seen, if it did go to production.

The set is kinda nice, but I feel like the whole thing could use some rethinking with a little restraint.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 02 August 2023, 04:03:55 »
Robot Character on the ISO Novelty keys maybe instead of the bimter

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 03 August 2023, 05:23:05 »
well.
does it look like some existing set? yes.
is it a bad thing? no.
we got flooded for years with atrocious looking bull**** meme sets and people who call themselves designers for adding colored sublegends to the same beige template.
at least this looks nice and it's actually blue in the renders.

some constructive feedback now:
- drop the 40s kit, add 3-key support in basekit
- extension kit and novelties have way too many colors, unless your vendors buys them out you're better off gutting the extensions or moving some accents to the novelty kit
- drop that norde kit (they never make it to MOQ and they're FAR from being "international" and that's an issue with all those stupidly expensive kits)
- spacebars: force only one accent color
- remove green keys and generally try and keep the colors to a minimum: costs aside, the color matching process will be hell

and yeah, keykobo is still an option. but it won't mean it will sell better than gmk, most people are still suspicious about kkb for some reason I don't get. a few good kkb projects failed because people like to complain about gmk lead times but won't trust anything else.
« Last Edit: Thu, 03 August 2023, 05:30:02 by tactilesbad »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 03 August 2023, 20:24:53 »
- drop that norde kit (they never make it to MOQ and they're FAR from being "international" and that's an issue with all those stupidly expensive kits)

I just want the NA market to stop saying this. You don't use it, that's fine. It is a flat out lie to say they "never" make it. Please stop depriving the European market from having the option of correct legends. Yeah, it does suck that Spain and France are excluded but please don't contribute to the normalisation that the included European countries don't buy it - we do when we can. We just don't always get the option to.
« Last Edit: Thu, 03 August 2023, 20:28:53 by aicyborg »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 04 August 2023, 01:18:21 »
I just want the NA market to stop saying this.

I agree. However, I also agree that people should stop calling it "International" :-P
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 04 August 2023, 14:22:39 »
R1 backspace should have red legends rather than orange which is for R2, please make color for each row consistent

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 11 August 2023, 08:08:23 »
well.
does it look like some existing set? yes.
is it a bad thing? no.
we got flooded for years with atrocious looking bull**** meme sets and people who call themselves designers for adding colored sublegends to the same beige template.
at least this looks nice and it's actually blue in the renders.

some constructive feedback now:
- drop the 40s kit, add 3-key support in basekit
- extension kit and novelties have way too many colors, unless your vendors buys them out you're better off gutting the extensions or moving some accents to the novelty kit
- drop that norde kit (they never make it to MOQ and they're FAR from being "international" and that's an issue with all those stupidly expensive kits)
- spacebars: force only one accent color
- remove green keys and generally try and keep the colors to a minimum: costs aside, the color matching process will be hell

and yeah, keykobo is still an option. but it won't mean it will sell better than gmk, most people are still suspicious about kkb for some reason I don't get. a few good kkb projects failed because people like to complain about gmk lead times but won't trust anything else.

Thanks a lot for the kitting suggestions, I will try to implement some of them :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 17 August 2023, 17:56:51 »
Any artisans planned for this one? :eek:
Will cop, GLWIC  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 17 August 2023, 19:02:16 »
isn't this just dracula?

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 17 August 2023, 19:39:11 »
isn't this just dracula?

Small revision to color comparison in OP


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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Digital transformation
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 21 August 2023, 18:55:25 »
Software Update 1.1 - "Digital transformation"
Note: In this update I have made many kitting changes and tried to make the kits good looking and as stretched as possible

Base Kit
→ Added R1 Pg Dn, R1 End, R2 -, R3 +, R4 0
→ Removed 2x 1,5u system

Extension Kit
→ Removed the orange and green keycaps

40s Kit
→ Added 2u spacebar instead of 1,25
→ Added 1,25 and 1,5 enter
→Added 1u ‘“
→Removed the yellow keys
→Removed  1,75 lock key

Spacebar Kit
→Changed the spacebar to alpha color instead of mod
→Added 6.00 a center stem alpha colored spacebar
→Removed orange spacebars
« Last Edit: Mon, 21 August 2023, 19:08:24 by balance »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 24 August 2023, 17:36:51 »
Love the colors and the theme. Given the current delays with GMK, would you be open to using another manu such as Keykobo?
I am still deciding regarding this but GMK have done some pretty good improvements regarding the delivery of sets. Would you still be interested if the set is GMK? Tell me your opinion :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 25 August 2023, 20:32:57 »
I am still deciding regarding this but GMK have done some pretty good improvements regarding the delivery of sets. Would you still be interested if the set is GMK? Tell me your opinion :thumb:

other than the wide spread 1.5U stem issue, many currently shipping sets also have sever alpha legend alignment issues.

too much red flags for GMK atm



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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Digital transformation
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 26 August 2023, 01:19:03 »
GMK was averaging 5-7 sets per month for most of 2022. They have hugely increased their rates this year.

That said, it's pretty clearly come at the expense of the one redeeming quality that they still had left - their quality control. To add insult to injury, they're now abandoning their previously impressive track record of correcting mistakes and refusing to offer replacements to those with defective caps.

The risk:benefit of joining a keycap GB is way too high right now.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 26 August 2023, 18:13:50 »
I would personally be fine with a switch to PBTfans or to Keykobo if you want to keep it ABS. I just like PBTfans' add-on kitting and the fact they consistently support international, 40s, etc.

other than the wide spread 1.5U stem issue, many currently shipping sets also have sever alpha legend alignment issues.

too much red flags for GMK atm

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You really gonna post this image without any explanation of what the (supposed) issue here is?

Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 26 August 2023, 22:40:15 »

Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.

are you living under a rock or what? 21 sets reported with pictures so far

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 27 August 2023, 01:17:47 »
I really like the colors of this set. Is it possible to get KKB instead though? GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Digital transformation
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 16:19:03 »
Vendors announcement!

US: Drop
AU: Switchkeys
EU: Candykeys
International: KBDfans
UK: Prototypist
China: zFrontier
CA: Ashkeebs
SEA: Zion Studios

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 17:09:18 »
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 18:02:18 »
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 18:16:41 »
Why did you go with candykeys for the eu vendor.

While I would never purchase anything from drop or kbdfans personally, I can understand why someone would run with them if they want a set to succeed in this climate, especially with the amount of kits that exist for this project. Candykeys doesn't have the influence that they do and is shockingly bad when it comes to fulfilling orders, which doesn't fair well considering the amount of drama that has gone up about vendors.

Please reconsider the eu vendor and go with one that actually is reputable.

So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

While I would imagine that the kits are overpriced cause of modern gmk pricing and agree that some of those kits could be repurposed and "fixed" for better prices I guess, I think they could reach moq with the reach this set would have because of drop/kbdfans. They are quite popular after all.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 18:23:44 »
It's not too late to consider running this with Keykobo! Lower MOQs/prices would probably get some of the more obscure kits over the line (possibly). I'd be very sad if the nordeuk kit doesn't make it.

Why did you go with candykeys for the eu vendor.

Candykeys isn't that bad. Mykeyboard is the one in financial trouble and that has earned a reputation for not paying GB invoices.

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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 18:34:52 »
Candykeys isn't that bad. Mykeyboard is the one in financial trouble and that has earned a reputation for not paying GB invoices.

Ok mykeyboard was worse (at least someone else is running it now) but the amount of people I've seen complaining about how candykeys refused to ship their order is enough for me to never recommend them to anyone. And candykeys has a bad enough rep where people just won't buy from them (This is all anecdotal and not at all evidence of this espically because I'm in more niche parts of the hobby, but I talk to people who refuse to buy stuff because it's on candykeys, including one who will not order this set because candykeys is the vendor, even though they really liked it)

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

lmao, yeah having the mech&co/mykeyboard combo is not a good look.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 30 August 2023, 18:35:58 »
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess

Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 31 August 2023, 18:31:17 »
Candykeys isn't that bad. Mykeyboard is the one in financial trouble and that has earned a reputation for not paying GB invoices.

Ok mykeyboard was worse (at least someone else is running it now) but the amount of people I've seen complaining about how candykeys refused to ship their order is enough for me to never recommend them to anyone. And candykeys has a bad enough rep where people just won't buy from them (This is all anecdotal and not at all evidence of this espically because I'm in more niche parts of the hobby, but I talk to people who refuse to buy stuff because it's on candykeys, including one who will not order this set because candykeys is the vendor, even though they really liked it)

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

lmao, yeah having the mech&co/mykeyboard combo is not a good look.

I dont know where all this is coming from, but we are not that bad... Of course we will make mistakes but some people have got to get off the 2018 opinions and see the change and improvements. Daily we are shipping hundreds of packages, always 1-3 will have some issue or a mistake, the posts that are around are mishandling of really old GBs that were miscommunicated on our part and misled the customer so too... You say we are bad at fulfilling orders, I just sadly am struggling to see this on the numbers we have to be honest, there is a error rate I can not really calculate 100% correctly but if its not holidays or we are short on staff we are shipping large quantities, IF couriers make mistakes or there are other issues after hand off then thats what it is, but you are making it sound like we are not delivering 50% of anything.

So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess

Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Sames goes here, have you made your first hand experience? I usually browse around Discords and see what people are saying live and in the moments, all regions, all communities and some stories are sure a meme but it is positive out there... It is not good to take what one reads as online to form their only opinion. Every customer that may have said something bad has been catered to even though it may not have been in the most positive way... Let alone so many comments on reddit are not even our own customers causing a even worse snowball effect. Mistakes will happen, and mistakes will always be louder than positive experiences, but I would strongly looking into the balance of volume we do, the services we provide, and reflect strongly on the negative feedback and see how it was handled.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 31 August 2023, 18:32:56 »
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess

Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Actually if you want send a DM as it seems to be your are basing your opinion on what you are hearing but not experience, of course I can find 10 negative experiences over the past 8 years... I will send you a coupon to get you a free order so you can maybe experience what we do first hand.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 31 August 2023, 19:16:40 »
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess

Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Actually if you want send a DM as it seems to be your are basing your opinion on what you are hearing but not experience, of course I can find 10 negative experiences over the past 8 years... I will send you a coupon to get you a free order so you can maybe experience what we do first hand.

To be clear, my comment was from a designer's perspective, not from a customer's perspective.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 31 August 2023, 19:33:02 »
lmao

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 01 September 2023, 05:20:02 »
So you're still keeping 3+ kits that are going to be overpriced and fail to meet MOQ. You can lead a horse to water...

you sound jealous that he landed a vendor that won't scam people

Iconic response ;D M&C ended up being a real mess

Regarding Candykeys, given the stories I've heard, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Actually if you want send a DM as it seems to be your are basing your opinion on what you are hearing but not experience, of course I can find 10 negative experiences over the past 8 years... I will send you a coupon to get you a free order so you can maybe experience what we do first hand.

If I say bad things about you can I have free GMK CYL Bim

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 01 September 2023, 20:57:37 »
I dont know where all this is coming from, but we are not that bad... Of course we will make mistakes but some people have got to get off the 2018 opinions and see the change and improvements. Daily we are shipping hundreds of packages, always 1-3 will have some issue or a mistake, the posts that are around are mishandling of really old GBs that were miscommunicated on our part and misled the customer so too... You say we are bad at fulfilling orders, I just sadly am struggling to see this on the numbers we have to be honest, there is a error rate I can not really calculate 100% correctly but if its not holidays or we are short on staff we are shipping large quantities, IF couriers make mistakes or there are other issues after hand off then thats what it is, but you are making it sound like we are not delivering 50% of anything.

What change and improvements, people still complain constantly about you, it's not just 2018 I've seen shocking customer service and orders not being shipped this year. People have to send you constant emails and wait months for instock orders to ship and complain on reddit in order to get actual progress on orders that should've shipped with no issues. It is not you messing up orders that is the issue with your business, everybody messes up that's fine. It is the constant incompantance and lack of action after following up on something someone sent, and you suddenly send out stuff when they complain to a public forum where people can actually see.

If you can run a business properly then you should shut down, it's as simple as that.


Comment below asking me to show examples which I will thanks for telling me, should have probably done that but wrote this up really quickly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/12cpqlh/candykeys_isnt_shipping_my_order_and_i_dont_know/ (the comments also have bad experiences)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/vmpx4i/review_my_terrible_experience_with_candykeyscom/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11q3q3m/candykeys_messing_me_around_for_most_of_a_year/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11jx8uj/my_nightmare_experience_with_candykeys/

There are many other posts but these are the ones I've seen personally.

« Last Edit: Fri, 01 September 2023, 21:24:02 by Rhienfo »
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 01 September 2023, 21:15:48 »
What change and improvements, people still complain constantly about you, it's not just 2018 I've seen shocking customer service and orders not being shipped this year. People have to send you constant emails and wait months for instock orders to ship and complain on reddit in order to get actual progress on orders that should've shipped with no issues. It is not you messing up orders that is the issue with your business, everybody messes up that's fine. It is the constant incompantance and lack of action after following up on something someone sent, and you suddenly send out stuff when they complain to a public forum where people can actually see.

If you can run a business properly then you should shut down, it's as simple as that.

I think you should cite specific incidents with proof rather than vaguely saying "people still constantly complain about you" and "I've seen shocking service," etc, etc. I could sit here and baselessly whinge and fabricate complaints about your favourite vendor just as easily. It doesn't mean what I write has any merit - just like what you're saying doesn't. Please drop it with the vauge accusations 'cos it's not important to the set that we're actually supposed to be here to give feedback on.

Anyway, make Bim with Keykobo. Truly think that's the way to get some of these more niche kits over the MOQ line!

Edited because this was full of typos before sorry xox
« Last Edit: Fri, 01 September 2023, 22:19:57 by aicyborg »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 01 September 2023, 21:27:25 »
I think you should cite specific incidents with roof rather than vaguely saying "people still constantly complain about you" and "I've seen shocking service," etc, etc. I could sit here and baselessly whinge and fabricate complaints about your favourite vendor just as easily. It doesn't mean what I write has any merit - just like what you're saying doesn't. Please drop it with the vauger accusations 'cos it's not important to the set that we're actually supposed to be here to give feedback on.

Anyway, make Bim with Keykobo. Truly think that's the way to get some of these more niche kinks over the MOQ line!

Yeah you're 100% right I updated my original post with examples because it is best to show it and I was wrong for not doing I'm sorry that's my bad.

Also to bring this back to the keyset, I'd also reccomend going for keykobo as there price is usually cheaper (especially for alternative kits like this one does have) and the qc has been proven to be quite good, though I understand at this point if it doesn't change because of vendors being sorted, most likely meaning an agreement has been reached.

Also I want to preface that I personally don't think candykeys is as malicious with gbs as someone like mech&co I just think they are horribly incompetent at business and at shipping orders.
« Last Edit: Fri, 01 September 2023, 21:30:10 by Rhienfo »
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 03 September 2023, 00:24:21 »
No icon mods?

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« Reply #56 on: Sun, 03 September 2023, 02:06:32 »
No icon mods?

I don't think pure icon mods would fit with set, text+icon fits far better.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 07 September 2023, 10:14:26 »
I think you should cite specific incidents with roof rather than vaguely saying "people still constantly complain about you" and "I've seen shocking service," etc, etc. I could sit here and baselessly whinge and fabricate complaints about your favourite vendor just as easily. It doesn't mean what I write has any merit - just like what you're saying doesn't. Please drop it with the vauger accusations 'cos it's not important to the set that we're actually supposed to be here to give feedback on.

Anyway, make Bim with Keykobo. Truly think that's the way to get some of these more niche kinks over the MOQ line!

Yeah you're 100% right I updated my original post with examples because it is best to show it and I was wrong for not doing I'm sorry that's my bad.

Also to bring this back to the keyset, I'd also reccomend going for keykobo as there price is usually cheaper (especially for alternative kits like this one does have) and the qc has been proven to be quite good, though I understand at this point if it doesn't change because of vendors being sorted, most likely meaning an agreement has been reached.

Also I want to preface that I personally don't think candykeys is as malicious with gbs as someone like mech&co I just think they are horribly incompetent at business and at shipping orders.
Hello, changes can still happen. This just needs to be discussed with the vendors :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 28 September 2023, 12:27:33 »
No icon mods?
There won't be icon mods because they don't match the theme. They might be added in the future as an separate kit if there will be a high interest for them

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 08 October 2023, 17:05:09 »
I dont know where all this is coming from, but we are not that bad... Of course we will make mistakes but some people have got to get off the 2018 opinions and see the change and improvements. Daily we are shipping hundreds of packages, always 1-3 will have some issue or a mistake, the posts that are around are mishandling of really old GBs that were miscommunicated on our part and misled the customer so too... You say we are bad at fulfilling orders, I just sadly am struggling to see this on the numbers we have to be honest, there is a error rate I can not really calculate 100% correctly but if its not holidays or we are short on staff we are shipping large quantities, IF couriers make mistakes or there are other issues after hand off then thats what it is, but you are making it sound like we are not delivering 50% of anything.

What change and improvements, people still complain constantly about you, it's not just 2018 I've seen shocking customer service and orders not being shipped this year. People have to send you constant emails and wait months for instock orders to ship and complain on reddit in order to get actual progress on orders that should've shipped with no issues. It is not you messing up orders that is the issue with your business, everybody messes up that's fine. It is the constant incompantance and lack of action after following up on something someone sent, and you suddenly send out stuff when they complain to a public forum where people can actually see.

If you can run a business properly then you should shut down, it's as simple as that.


Comment below asking me to show examples which I will thanks for telling me, should have probably done that but wrote this up really quickly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/12cpqlh/candykeys_isnt_shipping_my_order_and_i_dont_know/ (the comments also have bad experiences)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/vmpx4i/review_my_terrible_experience_with_candykeyscom/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11q3q3m/candykeys_messing_me_around_for_most_of_a_year/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11jx8uj/my_nightmare_experience_with_candykeys/

There are many other posts but these are the ones I've seen personally.

Thanks for reaching out and sorry to detour it from the keycaps, again.. (last time I swear)

I am not sure if we are just unlucky with these posts, or we just handle such volume that any mistake ends up being a public thing, because if I have made this mistake 20 times, which I have... I am not sure... Numbers-wise it does not add up, yes I have failed to follow up on these complicated cases, yes, every time its a complex GB case from the past, but it does not justify the continuous negative feedback on geek-hack and other locations. Our reputation online is not bad, on reddit we search comments daily to make sure we see when what is being mentioned and there is a lot of positive too, negative will alway be a explosive post and kick but a positive post will be dug-under. We have got GBs shipping out daily and, so many, have 0 negative feedback... What makes me more angry I sit down and reach out to the commenters of the reddit post and half of them were not first hand experience, stated by the individuals making these nasty comments...

We have a failure rate of around 2 packages per 100, either they bounce due to courier, our own screw up, screwed packaging, bad service, etc. etc... On a volume of thousands per week, noise will be made on a negative experience. You say, we should shut down if we can not run a business, last time I checked EU vendors 2-3 are on the brink of bankruptcy and do not even communicate with customers, yet even respond to simple tickets. (talking from own experience ordering AT said vendors) I (personally) just have to stop communicating false promises and then a reddit post will probably never be seen again, and there will still be probably some, just like with other vendors... I mean heck we are no longer running GB's since a year, all we do no now is guarantee and pre-buy the GMK sets that are so called GBs at other vendors and we make it happen (Bim will be too bought up by us) as that is the business we can run.

Anyways, BIM will go on! I am monitoring here for further developments.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 09 October 2023, 23:37:40 »
So many accent colours detrimental to cost control, Maybe reduce the colours to three, Compose mod of three random colours.
GLWIC,This might maximise the cost savings. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | Vendors Announcement!
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 26 October 2023, 15:02:24 »
So many accent colours detrimental to cost control, Maybe reduce the colours to three, Compose mod of three random colours.
GLWIC,This might maximise the cost savings. :thumb:
Thanks for your suggestions. I am making some major changes regarding kitting and manufacture at the moment, so stay tuned :thumb:

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 25 December 2023, 17:06:32 »
Software Update 1.2 - "Algorithm Ascend"
Changed the manufacture to DCX due to recent high prices from GMK and lack of quality. This is the most convenient variant for customers and vendors due to the price they offer, high production speed and great quality

Base Kit
-The base kit has new keys and provides compatibility for more layouts than the previous one
- The legend colors are the same just differently arranged due to DCX requirements
- This kit is estimated to be priced around 80$ for pre-order and 99$ for in-stock.

Novelties Kit
-Added accent arrows in it and removed the yellow accent keys  to make it as accessible as possible for customers

Extensions Kit
- Removed some accents and still offers a lot of variants for the customers

Spacebar Kit
-Added a 1u key due to DCX requirements.
Note: The renders on the boards don't have the current legend color arrangement as I am going to replace them with photos when the sample base kit will be ready.
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 25 December 2023, 17:41:02 »
I am glad it is no longer GMK, their new molds are trash, DCX is ok for their price especially at BOGO

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 27 December 2023, 22:45:55 »
Oof with change to dcx. Instantly out in this now. Personally don’t like the feel and sound of dcx.
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 28 December 2023, 17:57:05 »
I am a little pissed off that the removal of Nordeuk is something you tried to quietly sneak past off unnoticed. Like, yeah, I get that Drop.com doesn't care about ISO users (especially given their nonchalant & flippant response to CRP R4's ISO fiasco). Doesn't mean I wanna support them.

I'm rescinding my interest and won't buy this in DCX. glwic.
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 29 December 2023, 18:30:23 »
I am a little pissed off that the removal of Nordeuk is something you tried to quietly sneak past off unnoticed. Like, yeah, I get that Drop.com doesn't care about ISO users (especially given their nonchalant & flippant response to CRP R4's ISO fiasco). Doesn't mean I wanna support them.

I'm rescinding my interest and won't buy this in DCX. glwic.
Hello, I understand your concern but I have talked with drop about adding a Nordeuk kit and I am still waiting for a final response from them. This kit was asked by other vendors, customers and I hope they will take this into consideration. The kits posted here are the approved ones but there is a chance that other kits will appear also :thumb:

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 30 December 2023, 01:56:09 »
If that happens I believe it will be the first DCX set with nordeuk?

I really hope that happens, but I'm not holding my breath. They might be considering molds for it now since Pixel Platoon also wants it probably?
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 30 December 2023, 05:34:24 »
If that happens I believe it will be the first DCX set with nordeuk?

I really hope that happens, but I'm not holding my breath. They might be considering molds for it now since Pixel Platoon also wants it probably?

It'd be great to see Drop finally offer NorDEUK kits on their DCX sets. Fingers crossed this happens, otherwise DCX Bim will unfortunately have to be a pass from me too.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 30 December 2023, 10:05:56 »
Personally not a fan of DCX, would have much preferred Keykobo as an alternative if you were pivoting out of GMK. This is a major deal breaker for me unfortunately.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 30 December 2023, 13:01:53 »
Created account just for this, love the colorway and I'm excited for the DCX change. Coming from GMK I have been using DCX Garnet, DCX Camillo and DCX Hyperfuse and couldn't be happier. Quick leadtime, affordable, keys/packaging feel premium and Drop return policy is among the best in the business in my experience shopping with them (also they aren't scammers which is commendable nowadays, I lost more than Ł300 to another vendor). Will definitely be grabbing this with or without Norde, the standard ISO present on DCX base kit is enough for me. Also worth mentioning that to me Keykobo isn't worth it in my opinion, KKB Sea of Clouds was a let down (my set came with wonky legends, keys feel lightweight and cheap) and both Keykobo and GMK aren't doubleshot ABS they're actually insert molded. DCX, MT3 and DMK are true doubleshot, seen on the keys below:

DCX Camillo - true doubleshot overmolding (DMK also looks like this):


KKB Sea of Clouds - notice the legend part is fused together with the key shape, feels cheap (same as GMK):

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 30 December 2023, 20:12:57 »
Created account just for this, love the colorway and I'm excited for the DCX change. Coming from GMK I have been using DCX Garnet, DCX Camillo and DCX Hyperfuse and couldn't be happier. Quick leadtime, affordable, keys/packaging feel premium and Drop return policy is among the best in the business in my experience shopping with them (also they aren't scammers which is commendable nowadays, I lost more than Ł300 to another vendor). Will definitely be grabbing this with or without Norde, the standard ISO present on DCX base kit is enough for me. Also worth mentioning that to me Keykobo isn't worth it in my opinion, KKB Sea of Clouds was a let down (my set came with wonky legends, keys feel lightweight and cheap) and both Keykobo and GMK aren't doubleshot ABS they're actually insert molded. DCX, MT3 and DMK are true doubleshot, seen on the keys below:

DCX Camillo - true doubleshot overmolding (DMK also looks like this):
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KKB Sea of Clouds - notice the legend part is fused together with the key shape, feels cheap (same as GMK):
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this means aifei doubleshots are better quality too! love the fire you're spitting gonna parrot this all around town

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 30 December 2023, 21:34:01 »
I just made an observation about terminlogy that I see being thrown around erroneously in these forums and YouTube videos as a recently graduated thermoplastics engineer bachelor but that's beside the point. Never tried aifei so I can't comment on those but to me DCX > GMK. Like I said I look forward to BIM colors/novelties and am excited for it being launched on DCX, which is truly doubleshot overmolded and feels very premium.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 31 December 2023, 15:36:20 »
I just made an observation about terminlogy that I see being thrown around erroneously in these forums and YouTube videos as a recently graduated thermoplastics engineer bachelor but that's beside the point. Never tried aifei so I can't comment on those but to me DCX > GMK. Like I said I look forward to BIM colors/novelties and am excited for it being launched on DCX, which is truly doubleshot overmolded and feels very premium.

While I agree DCX is a true high quality ABS keycap option, I wouldn't go as far as saying it's better than GMK or KKB. I get what you are saying about DCX & DMK being true doubleshot, while GMK, KKB, & DCS for that matter are insert molded. Although as someone who has owned both types of keycaps & used both types over extended periods I do not feel the true doubleshot caps being of higher quality than insert molded caps. You can split hairs about the sound of them, but feel wise they are both very comparable to each other IME. I'd go as far as saying 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test. I think legend quality & warping of the keys are the parameters I would use to decide who has the highest quality ABS keycaps. Being true doubleshot or insert molded would not make any difference for me TBH.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 31 December 2023, 16:14:37 »
I don't base my preference for DCX solely on the fact that it is truly doubleshot whilist KKB/GMK is insert molded, that's just minutiae. I prefer DCX because on a side by side comparison against GMK/KKB: price, packaging, leadtime, legend quality, straight keys, return policy, DCX was superior to GMK/KKB in all of these criteria in my personal experience. If OP offered GMK BIM, DCX BIM and KKB BIM sets I would take DCX hands down because that's my preference.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 01 January 2024, 00:26:49 »
I don't base my preference for DCX solely on the fact that it is truly doubleshot whilist KKB/GMK is insert molded, that's just minutiae. I prefer DCX because on a side by side comparison against GMK/KKB: price, packaging, leadtime, legend quality, straight keys, return policy, DCX was superior to GMK/KKB in all of these criteria in my personal experience. If OP offered GMK BIM, DCX BIM and KKB BIM sets I would take DCX hands down because that's my preference.

From what I've seen, legend quality was pretty bad when it came to DCX, especially the modifiers (which to be fair they have gone and fixed the worst aspects, like the kerning on the shift keys but compared to KKB and GMK it's still worse) on top of that the second shot on DCX is far less saturated than the ones on gmk, which makes it look far cheaper.

I can't say anything about the physical quality of the caps, except that they do look good (no aussies really have dcx cause shipping here is really bad)

I also don't trust drop as a company, heard a lot of awful things from pretty greedy practices and treatment of collaborators (rama refused to work with them that's how bad it was) to shoddy qc and customer support which is enough to make me avoid them completely as well.

From what I've seen, KKB is probably the better option, which short lead times for a preorder product, better pricing than gmk and better qc, though I would still get gmk over KKB, especially because there are usually aus proxies for those sets like daily clack, which have been really good when it comes to vendoring.

Also can you show me a pic with the wonky legends?, never seen that issue with KKB before.
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 03 January 2024, 01:01:54 »
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Those R1 End, PgDn keys need to have the same legend color as the nav cluster keys in order for them to be usable on 1800/CP boards; otherwise, it's going to look garish. So, either make those two keys orange, or add additional R1 Insert, Delete, PgUp, Home keys with yellow legends.

I recommend changing the R4 Delete key to a more generic legend so that it's useful for more users and a wider range of layouts other than just GK64. For example, you're missing a red-legend Fn key on R4 (for 1u Fn on the bottom row). You're also missing an orange-legend Fn key on the same row (for right column setups).
To address both of those issues, I'd change the red R4 Delete to something like Super, and I'd turn the second R4 1u Ctrl into an orange Hyper key, since pretty much no modern keyboards outside of 40s use 2× 1u Ctrl. (Super and Hyper are just examples; you can use any generic-sounding legend that the manu has molds for.)

Speaking of 40s, I don't see the 40% kit anymore, so you can remove the second 1u spacekey from the spacebars kit.

For the sake of consistency, consider either changing the two-line Caps Lock legend on the stepped key to single-line Caps, or the single-line Num legend to two-line Num Lock. Seeing as you also have single-line Print and Scroll, the first option is probably better, if the manu has the mold for it.
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 09 January 2024, 17:19:10 »
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Those R1 End, PgDn keys need to have the same legend color as the nav cluster keys in order for them to be usable on 1800/CP boards; otherwise, it's going to look garish. So, either make those two keys orange, or add additional R1 Insert, Delete, PgUp, Home keys with yellow legends.

I recommend changing the R4 Delete key to a more generic legend so that it's useful for more users and a wider range of layouts other than just GK64. For example, you're missing a red-legend Fn key on R4 (for 1u Fn on the bottom row). You're also missing an orange-legend Fn key on the same row (for right column setups).
To address both of those issues, I'd change the red R4 Delete to something like Super, and I'd turn the second R4 1u Ctrl into an orange Hyper key, since pretty much no modern keyboards outside of 40s use 2× 1u Ctrl. (Super and Hyper are just examples; you can use any generic-sounding legend that the manu has molds for.)

Speaking of 40s, I don't see the 40% kit anymore, so you can remove the second 1u spacekey from the spacebars kit.

For the sake of consistency, consider either changing the two-line Caps Lock legend on the stepped key to single-line Caps, or the single-line Num legend to two-line Num Lock. Seeing as you also have single-line Print and Scroll, the first option is probably better, if the manu has the mold for it.
Hello konstantin, thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately, I can't make any changes to the kitting as these kits are made according to DCX requirements.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 10 January 2024, 17:53:51 »

Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.

are you living under a rock or what? 21 sets reported with pictures so far

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi

Wow I didn't know this was an issue..... I have a GMK Shoko R1 sets that have exactly the same problem, which I thought its the way how my plate fits the switch.......

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Bim | A new friend
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 10 January 2024, 18:18:17 »

Also, the 1.5u issue isn't that widespread. It's confirmed to have affected two sets so far and that's all. Two.

are you living under a rock or what? 21 sets reported with pictures so far

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/156he48/attention_new_issue_with_gmk_keycaps_know_before/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=MechanicalKeyboards&utm_content=t1_jti3ryi

Wow I didn't know this was an issue..... I have a GMK Shoko R1 sets that have exactly the same problem, which I thought its the way how my plate fits the switch.......
To be fair it is most likely the way your plate holds the switches. This issue is a fairly new one with GMK & Shoko R1 was run quite some time ago. Also I've never heard anybody complain about crooked 1.5u mods from Shoko Rd.1.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 10 January 2024, 21:07:08 »
Hello konstantin, thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately, I can't make any changes to the kitting as these kits are made according to DCX requirements.

I figured that might be an issue. Are you sure you can't at least change the top row End, PgDn keys' legend color from yellow to orange? It might have to do with Drop's injection molding process, but looking at other DCX sets, it should be doable.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 14 January 2024, 17:52:59 »
Is this still happening?

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 18 January 2024, 03:53:15 »
DCX is a pretty bad drop in quality but I think the set would still come out nicely. new Solarized dark came out nicer than expected (even if they can't even imagine that set needs a mono mod kit)

congrats for finally gutting nordeuk

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 18 January 2024, 16:03:32 »
congrats for finally gutting nordeuk

Yes, heavens forbid this keyset caters to the Europeans and their terrible non-American keys. What a lucky escape.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 23 January 2024, 09:56:12 »
congrats for finally gutting nordeuk

Yes, heavens forbid this keyset caters to the Europeans and their terrible non-American keys. What a lucky escape.
"europeans" my ass. these kits barely support a minority of 3-4 languages, where's the support for the missing 20 or so?


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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 23 January 2024, 20:33:08 »
congrats for finally gutting nordeuk

Yes, heavens forbid this keyset caters to the Europeans and their terrible non-American keys. What a lucky escape.
"europeans" my ass. these kits barely support a minority of 3-4 languages, where's the support for the missing 20 or so?
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Why is your whole intent over like five concurrent threads a grand brigade against any sort of international support because "it doens't support all ISOs so it shouldn't support any"?

For the record I'm past expecting DCX to bother with Nordeuk but your multi-thread "takedown" (attempt) is very silly here.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 24 January 2024, 00:02:23 »
"Very silly" is putting it mildly.

And I am a european. Just because I wasn't born in every european country at once doesn't make me less european. And we didn't decide what goes in the standard kit that everyone calls "international" even though it's NorDeUK. I don't call it "international". It's not our fault this kit sometimes gets bought in enough quantity to make it feasible while other i18n sets don't.
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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 03 February 2024, 10:42:25 »

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #88 on: Mon, 08 April 2024, 14:50:13 »
Software Update 1.3 - "Code Convergence"
Some small but important fixes. Also, in the next couple of days, I will announce the month when the sale will start. Stay tuned.

Base Kit
-Changed some legends for requested keys.

Novelties Kit
-Added a new r1 novelty and changed some icons to match DCX requirements

Extensions Kit
- Added the pink accent.

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Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 08 April 2024, 16:47:37 »
RIP 40s support. I guess one less set to consider.

Re: [IC] DCX Bim | Major Update
« Reply #90 on: Tue, 09 April 2024, 02:20:29 »
Stoked to see this set happen

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