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Offline TheEerieCold

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 01:07:56 »
Complaining about prices on things you don't have to buy. Seriously, go buy whatever it is you think is so much better. No need to crap on this and act like Zeal pricing has ever been considered anything but premium. There are many alternatives if you don't want to buy this. Looking forward to buying some myself, I'll support the premium for the time and effort that went into this.
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 11:50:46 »
People are offended because

Why let yourself get offended? I don’t see much valuable feedback from people being critical on this post. Just people saying there’s cheaper options or that the owner isn’t a good guy because of the pricing.

Like ya no duh there’s cheaper options. People have known that for years now.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 11:57:56 »
Complaining about prices on things you don't have to buy. Seriously, go buy whatever it is you think is so much better. No need to crap on this and act like Zeal pricing has ever been considered anything but premium. There are many alternatives if you don't want to buy this. Looking forward to buying some myself, I'll support the premium for the time and effort that went into this.

They're made in a Gateron factory, and there's nothing magical about that. Who's acting like Zeal hasn't always been fleecing the community? This criticism isn't new, and I'm certainly not surprised. It's pure markup and you keep supporting it for some reason. What's even more revolting is that this isn't even the final price.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 13:52:48 »
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 17:22:54 »
In the past Zeal switches haven’t needed to be modded.

wat

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 18:10:43 »
In the past Zeal switches haven’t needed to be modded.

wat

I don’t think that’s a controversial statement (to my recollection). People certainly mod everything anymore, myself included.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 09 January 2022, 22:20:01 »
I'm curious if the 3-in-1 feature will pan out as a big deal.

I could have seen it being a big selling point 5 years ago, when hot-swap boards were few and sketchy.  But now, if you want to have clicky and tactile switches together, you get a commodity-price hot-swap board and multiple sets of switches, which gives you a far broader set of choices. Of course, I've heard the case Black ALPS could pass for 3-in-1 back in the day, because you can either click-mod or remove the leaf there, and nobody was rushing out to buy Dell AT101Ws for the experience.

If it turns out to be insignificant for most buyers, then maybe it would have been simpler to deliver a "non-customizable" clicky switch, potentially with less bespoke R&D and tooling, at a lower price.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 10 January 2022, 02:21:43 »
People are offended because times have changed and there is a ton more competition in the market.  Charging $1.30 a switch is unquestionably expensive.
(...)
Zeal's new switches DO have some innovative features that cannot be found in current switches and for that, one needs to understand that it will be more expensive.  But again, at the end of the day, it better damn well be the best switch out there.
For starters there's no competition with click leaf designs. The only interesting clickies that are compatible with MX form factor are the Kailh Box spring bar switches. But a click leaf is yet another different sound and feeling and indeed Alps are really good, but difficult to integrate in modern custom keyboards, much more pricey than those Zeal switches !

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« Reply #60 on: Mon, 10 January 2022, 18:13:01 »
People are offended because times have changed and there is a ton more competition in the market.  Charging $1.30 a switch is unquestionably expensive.
(...)
Zeal's new switches DO have some innovative features that cannot be found in current switches and for that, one needs to understand that it will be more expensive.  But again, at the end of the day, it better damn well be the best switch out there.
For starters there's no competition with click leaf designs. The only interesting clickies that are compatible with MX form factor are the Kailh Box spring bar switches. But a click leaf is yet another different sound and feeling and indeed Alps are really good, but difficult to integrate in modern custom keyboards, much more pricey than those Zeal switches !

If you don't chase the legends of ancient switches, Matias switches are a sevicable clicky at 30 cents each in quantity of 200.  I would not recommend ua-Jie from expereince.  Tai-Hao or Matias cap sets are cheap.  The drawback isn't cost, it's limited choice.
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 11 January 2022, 19:08:30 »

I have absolutely asked for someone to put a Alps style tactile leaf in an MX compatible housing

Look up Pro World MX clones.


yes, these are expensive, but at least there's finally an actual new (well, new to mx) design change that meaningfully changes the typing experience and not just another switch re-color/new manu. very interested in the full typing test and eventually testing these out


Not really so new but hey I guess it will get more traction than the original switch(Pro World) is very hard to find.


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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 11 January 2022, 19:24:15 »
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Offline thechemtrailkid

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 11 January 2022, 21:55:45 »

I have absolutely asked for someone to put a Alps style tactile leaf in an MX compatible housing

Look up Pro World MX clones.


yes, these are expensive, but at least there's finally an actual new (well, new to mx) design change that meaningfully changes the typing experience and not just another switch re-color/new manu. very interested in the full typing test and eventually testing these out


Not really so new but hey I guess it will get more traction than the original switch(Pro World) is very hard to find.

I know about Pro Worlds. They are basically impossible to find as you stated.

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Offline Findecanor

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 09:40:04 »
I suppose most of you have seen Chyros' teardown of the switch already:

The click leaf is on the LED side of the switch, making the housing bulky on both sides compared to a classic Cherry MX design that is bulky only on one side. I wonder how that will affect compatibility with thick Cherry-profile keycaps (home row specifically) and Costar-style stabiliser bars (that usually move over the LED cutout).

Beside the ProWorld and I-Rocks switches which also have a tactile leaf in them, there is also Input Club's upcoming tactile "Silo Command" switch, which because it is a Hall-effect switch doesn't need bulk up top for the contact mechanism.

Offline QWER|key

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 10:34:22 »
Let me see if I have this right.  A switch that costs between two and three times as much as most switches just because it can transform into any of the three switch types...  but if you DO transform it into any other type (its main selling point) the warranty is void?   

Offline thechemtrailkid

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 10:54:46 »
Let me see if I have this right.  A switch that costs between two and three times as much as most switches just because it can transform into any of the three switch types...  but if you DO transform it into any other type (its main selling point) the warranty is void?

The website doesn't state that opening them voids the warranty, it states that if you **** them up by opening them it voids the warranty.
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 13:49:21 »
Can't wait for the clones tbh. If Zeal's pending patent only covers being able to switch the position of the leaf, then it seems like a nobrainer for JWK and friends to fire up the photocopiers.

Offline StormyMonday

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 15:43:19 »
I see a lot of naysayers here and understandably so. Clickiez are clearly not aimed at those who prefer linear MX switches and/or those who are happy with their MX brown “tactile” style switches. They are aimed at folks who have used and love the beam spring, buckling spring, complicated Alps and even simplified Alps keyboards from the days of yore. Alps switches were discontinued decades ago, so NOS switches are virtually nonexistent. Used Alps switches, which at their age will likely need extensive reconditioning, can still sell for as much as $2.50 each and up … that is, if you can find them. I’ve seen premium vintage Alps keyboards sell for in excess of $450. With prices this crazy, many of us get their daily fix with the more plentiful and affordable Matias clones and save the “real” Alps switches for special builds.

But, price isn’t the only obstacle to achieving Alps glory. The keycap selection is extremely poor and it’s virtually  nonexistent for anything other than a full size, a TKL and, with very careful planning and perhaps a custom plate, a 60% build. Matias does offer Preonic and Planck blank key cap kits, but that’s about it (unless you can settle for non-standard spacebar sizes). Apparently, Signature Plastic no longer sells Alps caps except as part of a group buy, because they have recently scrubbed all references to Alps from their website. And, when group buys do come along, which isn’t very often, half of them don’t properly support ergo and ortho boards.

These Clickiez switches address the key cap availability situation by offering MX key cap compatibility and they do it at a bargain price, as compared to genuine Alps switches. They also expand the available PCB selection and they sound absolutely gorgeous. If they deliver the promised tactility (which they should, as the click leaf looks extremely similar to the Alps counterparts – see the Chryosran vid) then these switches will prove to be extremely popular with an admittedly small, but vocal subset of the community who, like Topre fans, are not afraid to spend a little extra to get what they want. And, if budget ever became an issue for me, I know that I’d happily spend a little extra on the switches and forgo the ridiculously expensive GMK caps that take in excess of a year to receive.

Hopefully this wee little bit of situational awareness clarifies things for those who are shaking their heads in disbelief. The Alps/Matias infrastructure is truly a train wreck! When you see prices of $1.30 per switch, just be thankful that you haven’t fallen into either of the Alps, or the Topre branches of this big rabbit hole that we all find ourselves in. To us, feel is everything and everything else (to the extent that we can get it) is desert.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 20:48:33 »
The Clickiez seem interesting, I am actually considering buying them to try them as tactiles, because I can't stand clickies, the price is the only thing stopping me. The other 2 switches are a hard pass for me, so freaking expensive when you can get two similar switches from another manufacturer for that price. But it goes on brand with what Zeal has on the page, so I guess it's OK as I am not the target public.


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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 12 January 2022, 22:34:00 »
my 2 cents…

Clickiez should have been just extreme tactiles.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 01:12:26 »


The website doesn't state that opening them voids the warranty, it states that if you **** them up by opening them it voids the warranty.

Fair enough. Maybe this is just something only those who are used to, and want Alps style switches, with MX compatibility then. As I've never used Alps switches I just don't think this is something that I will ever appreciate.

Offline thechemtrailkid

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 13 January 2022, 19:48:33 »


The website doesn't state that opening them voids the warranty, it states that if you **** them up by opening them it voids the warranty.

Fair enough. Maybe this is just something only those who are used to, and want Alps style switches, with MX compatibility then. As I've never used Alps switches I just don't think this is something that I will ever appreciate.

I think it definitely is. If you ever get a chance you should definitely give them a try. Even if you can't find an old Alps board in good condition you could always try out Matias switches. Different, but also good.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 14 January 2022, 02:50:03 »
Very interested in the Clickiez development, although I'm much more interested in the tactile mode than clicky. I'm not sure about the 'extreme tactility' though, I wish there was more of a focus on 'normal' tactility ala Orange Alps. The same sort of force as Zealios V1 but with an Alpsy feel would be amzaing.

Will have to get a sample before deciding if I like them enough for a set.

I wonder what the scope for modifying the tactility with a different click leaf is?

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 16 January 2022, 11:28:23 »
I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like. Maybe these be the ones to change that... but that price is going to add up real fast for me since I'm only interested in building full size or 1800 boards. (You can take my function keys, nav cluster, and numpad from my cold, dead hands.)

I'm always wary about buying products that haven't hit the market, and don't have any unbiased reviews or long-term use data. Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been burned before (not by Zeal specifically) so I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic for the moment. I bought 20 of both weights, and when they arrive I'll put them in a test board and evaluate them for a month or two. I'll reserve judgment on whether or not I feel these are worth the price until then. (I am hopeful however.)
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 16 January 2022, 15:20:30 »
Too bad that the switches aren't damped. IMHO, clicky switches should be, so that the sound of the clicking mechanism becomes more distinct. The central shaft with the spring is different enough from MX that a replacement slider from a MX-clone switch can't be used.

I'd bet that if a damped version was made, it would be even more expensive.


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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 17 January 2022, 02:55:08 »
I'm interested in tactile mode of those Clickies.
Especially those heavy 75g ones, it might be a good substitude to Zealios.
From characteristic graph it looks like bump start in first mm, so kinda similar, I may get the sample to see how they feel.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 16 February 2022, 10:35:50 »
If you don't chase the legends of ancient switches, Matias switches are a sevicable clicky at 30 cents each in quantity of 200.  I would not recommend ua-Jie from expereince.  Tai-Hao or Matias cap sets are cheap.  The drawback isn't cost, it's limited choice.

It isn't like they're that far behind Alps SKCM anyway. Chyros stated in his review that these are not even quite as nice as Matias switches. This is one opinion (I'll form my own once I actually have some of these), but it may turn out that these end up only really being a niche product for people who feel they need both an Alps-like tactility/sound and compatibility with super fancy hipster boards and caps.

I don't fall into this group, so I may just stick to using mostly Matias boards and switches, since the switches are dirt cheap and feel great.

Let me see if I have this right.  A switch that costs between two and three times as much as most switches just because it can transform into any of the three switch types...  but if you DO transform it into any other type (its main selling point) the warranty is void?   

I bought some and I don't even care about this functionality. I'm not sure why such a big deal was made of it in regard to the design outside of maybe preventing direct copies of the housings from making it out into the wild as quickly.

Can't wait for the clones tbh. If Zeal's pending patent only covers being able to switch the position of the leaf, then it seems like a nobrainer for JWK and friends to fire up the photocopiers.

Let's hope.

The Clickiez seem interesting, I am actually considering buying them to try them as tactiles, because I can't stand clickies, the price is the only thing stopping me. The other 2 switches are a hard pass for me, so freaking expensive when you can get two similar switches from another manufacturer for that price. But it goes on brand with what Zeal has on the page, so I guess it's OK as I am not the target public.

Try some Matias "quiet clicks"? Alps tactiles are VERY nice in my opinion. The market saturation of boring old MX tactiles is one of the primary reasons I usually don't even bother with them.

Also, which clickies have you tried that you can't stand? I have found a lot of people really dislike the sound of MX and capacitive buckling spring, but tend to like deeper-sounding clickies like box pinks/jades and Alps.

my 2 cents…

Clickiez should have been just extreme tactiles.

Heresy ... leave, now.

Tactile leaves account for some of the best clicky and tactile switches ever made, and most tactile fanatics seem satisfied with their mediocre MX clones in spite of this. A much greater proportion of clicky fanatics hunt for ancient treasures like Alps.

Hopefully switches like this will change that, but that seems to be the way things stand.

I've never used Alps switches I just don't think this is something that I will ever appreciate.

You really should try Alps switches, unless maybe all you like is linears. Even those are very nice though.

I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.

Box pinks, jades, navies?



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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 16 February 2022, 17:37:19 »
what's weirdchamp?

As an elder millennial, I had to look it up- it's actually a face emote of a guy expressing skepticism, disheartenment, disappointment and/or disbelief that someone is ACTUALLY doing something.  As if to say, "Did they REALLY just do that?"  Rather than copying/pasting the emote in forums such as this (where typing :weirdchamp: does not work) some will simply type out the word "weirdchamp".

So in this case, weirdchamp is used to express disbelief that Zeal is charging so much for these switches.

Kind of like 'weird flex' and 'how sad' combined.

Keep your head down out there!

Offline IneffableCrab

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 01 March 2022, 09:07:09 »


I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.

Box pinks, jades, navies?

I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 01 March 2022, 10:55:50 »


I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.

Box pinks, jades, navies?

I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.

Interesting. I haven't ordered any lately. I still have bags of all 3 sitting around unused. I'm not very choosy, what problems have the warped stems caused? What other problems have you had?

Jades sound very nice to me for clickies. I have had listeners (I work in a school district) basically unanimously choose them over capacitive and membrane buckling spring, box navies and (obviously) MX blue. They're no SKCM Alps ... but nothing really is. I like how even capacitive buckling spring sounds though too ... even in the super pingy XT cases.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 01 March 2022, 13:13:25 »


I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.

Box pinks, jades, navies?

I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.

Interesting. I haven't ordered any lately. I still have bags of all 3 sitting around unused. I'm not very choosy, what problems have the warped stems caused? What other problems have you had?

Jades sound very nice to me for clickies. I have had listeners (I work in a school district) basically unanimously choose them over capacitive and membrane buckling spring, box navies and (obviously) MX blue. They're no SKCM Alps ... but nothing really is. I like how even capacitive buckling spring sounds though too ... even in the super pingy XT cases.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I realize now that I misspoke in my last post: the jades I got from Novelkeys were actually fine. However, out of the 110 navys I bought from Drop about 30 of them had some serious issues--and the crystal navys I bought from KPrepublic were way worse. The problem has mainly been keys sitting crooked when I put them on. At first I thought I was just mounting the switches improperly or that my keycaps stems were twisted, but after taking the problem switches apart and testing the board with some control switches, it became clear that a good chunk of the navys I bought have issues. I've read that this isn't an unheard of issue--but who knows, the only other people I could find talking about it were on Reddit, and I have opinions about that site.

Anyway. I can't really articulate what it is about jades that I don't like; I think it's just that they aren't "bassy" enough, if that makes any sense. I dunno, what I want may just be a unicorn that doesn't exist yet, or I need to find a good case/plate combo. (Which is really been a challenge since full size/1800 layout kits are comparatively rare.) The biggest issue is that I borrowed my friend's Alps board for a month and now nothing sounds good enough! The sound test for these switches sounded promising, and I'm excited to see how the samples I ordered perform. (Which should be shipping soon, yeah?)
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Offline Banzai

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 01 March 2022, 14:31:59 »
I picked a good time to get back into this hobby. I've thought for years we need more switch innovation than the same Cherry clones slightly iterated on over and over again. I got bored as hell after the millionth linear JWK recolor de jour.

Happened to think I'd poke my head into GeekHack today and, what do you know, Zeal finally delivered on the Clicky Alps spring switch he's been hinting at for 2 years. $1.30 a switch may be steep, but I'm more than willing to throw money at something interesting and different. Especially if it's as good as these seem to be. Ordered 70, know just the board they're gonna go in, and can't wait to build it.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 01 March 2022, 16:04:36 »


I want to use clicky switches, I really do. I just haven't found a MX style clicky switch that I like.

Box pinks, jades, navies?

I've tried them all, yes. I've been very disappointed with the QC of Box switches as of late; it feels like 1/3 of every batch I've ordered recently have had warped stems or some other mechanical problem. I'm really tired of playing the switch lottery.
Jades were close to being what I want, but I don't like how they sound.

Interesting. I haven't ordered any lately. I still have bags of all 3 sitting around unused. I'm not very choosy, what problems have the warped stems caused? What other problems have you had?

Jades sound very nice to me for clickies. I have had listeners (I work in a school district) basically unanimously choose them over capacitive and membrane buckling spring, box navies and (obviously) MX blue. They're no SKCM Alps ... but nothing really is. I like how even capacitive buckling spring sounds though too ... even in the super pingy XT cases.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I realize now that I misspoke in my last post: the jades I got from Novelkeys were actually fine. However, out of the 110 navys I bought from Drop about 30 of them had some serious issues--and the crystal navys I bought from KPrepublic were way worse. The problem has mainly been keys sitting crooked when I put them on. At first I thought I was just mounting the switches improperly or that my keycaps stems were twisted, but after taking the problem switches apart and testing the board with some control switches, it became clear that a good chunk of the navys I bought have issues. I've read that this isn't an unheard of issue--but who knows, the only other people I could find talking about it were on Reddit, and I have opinions about that site.

Anyway. I can't really articulate what it is about jades that I don't like; I think it's just that they aren't "bassy" enough, if that makes any sense. I dunno, what I want may just be a unicorn that doesn't exist yet, or I need to find a good case/plate combo. (Which is really been a challenge since full size/1800 layout kits are comparatively rare.) The biggest issue is that I borrowed my friend's Alps board for a month and now nothing sounds good enough! The sound test for these switches sounded promising, and I'm excited to see how the samples I ordered perform. (Which should be shipping soon, yeah?)

I haven't bought any box switches from Drop or KPrepublic, but I also haven't bought any at all in quite some time either. I also don't even care if caps are a little crooked when I solder switches in and rarely ever use hot swap boards where I could easily test if it wasn't just me being sloppy. I do have a Drop Alt I could play with though if I get bored and inquisitive.

If box jades or pinks aren't bassy enough for you, your only real options for clickies are Alps and Matias. Maybe membrane buckling spring, but people tend to either love or hate those.

I picked a good time to get back into this hobby. I've thought for years we need more switch innovation than the same Cherry clones slightly iterated on over and over again. I got bored as hell after the millionth linear JWK recolor de jour.

Happened to think I'd poke my head into GeekHack today and, what do you know, Zeal finally delivered on the Clicky Alps spring switch he's been hinting at for 2 years. $1.30 a switch may be steep, but I'm more than willing to throw money at something interesting and different. Especially if it's as good as these seem to be. Ordered 70, know just the board they're gonna go in, and can't wait to build it.

Indeed. Down with the pointless MX clone horde.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 01 March 2022, 17:01:39 »

If box jades or pinks aren't bassy enough for you, your only real options for clickies are Alps and Matias. Maybe membrane buckling spring, but people tend to either love or hate those.

Don't tempt me--I am so close to just diving face first down the Alps rabbit-hole. When TKC restocked their 1800 kit recently I bought an Alps plate in addition to the kit "just in case."

Buckling springs are alright. I have a Model M that I like to pull out and use every now and then; I really like how sturdy it feels.
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 02 March 2022, 03:02:43 »
Anyone already tried these?
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 02 March 2022, 09:52:20 »

If box jades or pinks aren't bassy enough for you, your only real options for clickies are Alps and Matias. Maybe membrane buckling spring, but people tend to either love or hate those.

Don't tempt me--I am so close to just diving face first down the Alps rabbit-hole. When TKC restocked their 1800 kit recently I bought an Alps plate in addition to the kit "just in case."

Buckling springs are alright. I have a Model M that I like to pull out and use every now and then; I really like how sturdy it feels.

Matias' switches aren't quite as good as SKCM, but they're not that far off. They're cheap enough to literally be disposable too if you're good with a soldering iron.

The Model M really isn't sturdy though. IBM should never have used plastic rivets. There are many designs that are much more robust. I don't like typing on on them much myself, old or new. Capacitive buckling spring is much crisper, smoother and more consistent. People are just put off by their higher pitch and pinginess. They're literally up there with Alps for me, whereas membrane buckling spring literally just sent me back to MX blues when I first tried them. I wouldn't make the same choice today, but that's still saying something. A bargain F XT was what finally got me to start trying other vintage swithes, and then box, etc, later.

Anyone already tried these?

Chyros has a review on them.


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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 03 March 2022, 07:48:58 »
you guys

https://i.imgur.com/BsKOeaM.png
lmao this is so accurate

For a certain trendy/herd subgroup, yes.

I wouldn't expect too many of them to care about a new mechanism, they should be fawning over the latest MX clone flavor of the week.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #90 on: Fri, 04 March 2022, 11:36:55 »
Anyone already tried these?

Chryosran reviewed them pretty favorably:

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 14 April 2022, 08:17:59 »
Any updates on the status of these? The ship date just keeps getting pushed back. Are they stuck on a container ship on the west coast or something?

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 21 April 2022, 20:24:01 »
Any updates on the status of these? The ship date just keeps getting pushed back. Are they stuck on a container ship on the west coast or something?

We express air freight all our switches. There were manufacturing delays, but we finally just received our first batch. We already sent out a handful of orders today before FedEx did their last round of pick ups. More will be sent out tomorrow. A few early order customers should also be receiving their orders tomorrow/Monday.

We've instructed Gateron to ship out switches in smaller batches so we receive the switches earlier, instead of in bulk. This way orders are sent out faster and it prevents a large batch of switches getting stuck in China due to lockdowns that keep occurring.
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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #93 on: Thu, 21 April 2022, 20:57:25 »
$1.30 sounds good

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 21 April 2022, 22:53:40 »
Just got my shipping notification  ;D

Super excited for these.

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« Reply #95 on: Fri, 22 April 2022, 08:01:11 »
Any updates on the status of these? The ship date just keeps getting pushed back. Are they stuck on a container ship on the west coast or something?

We express air freight all our switches. There were manufacturing delays, but we finally just received our first batch. We already sent out a handful of orders today before FedEx did their last round of pick ups. More will be sent out tomorrow. A few early order customers should also be receiving their orders tomorrow/Monday.

We've instructed Gateron to ship out switches in smaller batches so we receive the switches earlier, instead of in bulk. This way orders are sent out faster and it prevents a large batch of switches getting stuck in China due to lockdowns that keep occurring.

Cool. Thanks for the update.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 06 May 2022, 07:05:34 »
Got my 40g Clickiez and love them! So close to the perfect modern Alps replacement - if they could have just that little bit less tactility to match SKCM Blue/Orange they'd be my main switch going forward for sure.

I've had an issue with the return force on the space bar though - using a KAT space bar (weighing about 9 grams) it gets stuck on the way up quite a lot. It might be something to do with stab alignment as it's not as bad using a heavier SA spacebar that I have, though it still feels somewhat sluggish with that, but the KAT spacebar is fine with other switches. I'm using a linear switch for space instead now anyway, which I tend to prefer so not a big deal for me.

Ultra-tactile mode is a nice novelty (I like having one on Escape) but pretty much unusable for typing I think. Linear is ridiculously light. I haven't bothered with more than one switch on either yet.

Hasn't felt like lubing is necessary but maybe will at some point. I do wonder if lubing the tactile leaves will reduce tactility in a good way or not. Hard to tell without doing a full board and it wouldn't be easy to reverse.

Definitely in the market for reduced-tactility leaves if they come out. I feel like you'd have to have one a lot less tactile in order to have a normal amount of tactility with the leaf in the non-clicky position.


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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 09 May 2022, 13:27:37 »
Got my 40g Clickiez and love them! So close to the perfect modern Alps replacement - if they could have just that little bit less tactility to match SKCM Blue/Orange they'd be my main switch going forward for sure.

I've had an issue with the return force on the space bar though - using a KAT space bar (weighing about 9 grams) it gets stuck on the way up quite a lot. It might be something to do with stab alignment as it's not as bad using a heavier SA spacebar that I have, though it still feels somewhat sluggish with that, but the KAT spacebar is fine with other switches. I'm using a linear switch for space instead now anyway, which I tend to prefer so not a big deal for me.

Ultra-tactile mode is a nice novelty (I like having one on Escape) but pretty much unusable for typing I think. Linear is ridiculously light. I haven't bothered with more than one switch on either yet.

Hasn't felt like lubing is necessary but maybe will at some point. I do wonder if lubing the tactile leaves will reduce tactility in a good way or not. Hard to tell without doing a full board and it wouldn't be easy to reverse.

Definitely in the market for reduced-tactility leaves if they come out. I feel like you'd have to have one a lot less tactile in order to have a normal amount of tactility with the leaf in the non-clicky position.

Thanks for the input, especially the space bar issue. When did you order yours? I got a shipping notification late April but there haven't been any updates to it.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 10 May 2022, 09:24:21 »

Thanks for the input, especially the space bar issue. When did you order yours? I got a shipping notification late April but there haven't been any updates to it.

Ordered mid-Jan and got the shipping notification April 27th. Arrived in the UK just over a week later.

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Re: [GB] Clickiez™, Crystal™, Pearlio™ Switches
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 10 May 2022, 09:33:56 »

Thanks for the input, especially the space bar issue. When did you order yours? I got a shipping notification late April but there haven't been any updates to it.

Ordered mid-Jan and got the shipping notification April 27th. Arrived in the UK just over a week later.

Good to know. I ordered in February, so I guess there may just still be a backlog.