Author Topic: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller - All gone, that's it folks. (Read 254178 times)

gameaholic · « **Reply #500 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 03:59:38 »

Got mine and it works fine as a plug and play replacement over USB but I couldn't get it to work over PS/2 which I want for NKRO. I tried the usual uninstall current keyboard drivers from device manager, unplug, shutdown, plug in, reboot thing but nothing.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #501 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 04:02:55 »

I believe this needs to be used over usb because of how the controller is seen by the computer. I may be wrong though...

bpiphany · « **Reply #502 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 06:22:25 »

I think the firmware of keyboards that work with a USB to PS2 controller needs to speak both "languages". This one only speaks USB, but since Hasu's code has been ported, that should be no problem anymore. I haven't tried it myself yet, but I think it is supposed to have NKRO over USB, among other features https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard

alaricljs · « **Reply #503 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 09:57:20 »

TMK has NKRO if you compile the pjrc branch. Then you need to enable NKRO with a double shift command, on my tab so I can't look it up. Of course double shift is also changeable.

bpiphany · « **Reply #504 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 10:19:59 »

Quote from: alaricljs on Sat, 17 November 2012, 09:57:20

TMK has NKRO if you compile the pjrc branch. Then you need to enable NKRO with a double shift command, on my tab so I can't look it up. Of course double shift is also changeable.

Yeah, I just compiled and tested the tmk_keyboard firmware. Noted that there was no NKRO and that it behaves a bit different if more than 6 keys are pressed. I didn't look too hard, but I didn't find the documentation on the double shift commands... I figured out how to get caps lock though =)

alaricljs · « **Reply #505 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 12:09:09 »

It's all in common/command.c and it's dbl-shift N for NKRO. You also use the dbl-shift commands to layer change w/ lock.

tmk1207 · « **Reply #506 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 12:18:22 »

i can't wait

i wanna a products on hand

. But i'll wait new information of you <3

bpiphany · « **Reply #507 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 12:32:25 »

I just sent out PMs to the last persons on my list. If you feel you haven't got a PM and should have been on that list you'll need to contact me. MechKey, you don't seem to accept PMs I haven't ignored you...

Edit: And by the way, I am heading out for the night. So don't expect to hear back from me too soon again =)

tmk1207 · « **Reply #508 on:** Sat, 17 November 2012, 18:17:06 »

Quote from: bpiphany on Sat, 17 November 2012, 12:32:25

I just sent out PMs to the last persons on my list. If you feel you haven't got a PM and should have been on that list you'll need to contact me. MechKey, you don't seem to accept PMs I haven't ignored you...

Edit: And by the way, I am heading out for the night. So don't expect to hear back from me too soon again =)

Pm'd

fl0w3n · « **Reply #509 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 01:00:15 »

So I have NO idea where to even start with trying to program this thing once I get it, where do I start?

tmk1207 · « **Reply #510 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 05:07:34 »

Paid

tjweir · « **Reply #511 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 06:08:03 »

Quote from: tmk1207 on Sun, 18 November 2012, 05:07:34

Paid

TMK, would you be able to put together a short how-to explaining how to build the firmware?
Thanks!

alaricljs · « **Reply #512 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 08:21:02 »

Quote from: tjweir on Sun, 18 November 2012, 06:08:03

TMK, would you be able to put together a short how-to explaining how to build the firmware?
Thanks!

Just to clear up some possible confusion... the tmk firmware is hasu's. As for how to... pjrc has a quickie on getting the right compiler installed here

bpiphany · « **Reply #513 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 08:40:54 »

Regarding the tmk_keyboard firmware. The NKRO seem to work pretty well. But I noticed a few bugs.

The extra ISO key to the right of the left shift doesn't seem to work at all.
The backslash key (the same that is moved to the very far right, hiding beneath the return key, on the home row on ISO) doesn't work in NKRO mode.
If more than 6 keys are pressed in normal mode the extra keys don't get reported to the OS. This is not how other keyboards I've tested work. They usually drop the first key pressed and keep on reporting new keys. Which behavior that should be regarded to be correct may be pretty subjective I guess..

This was all on Ubuntu 12.10

alaricljs · « **Reply #514 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 09:39:24 »

1) I had no ISO board to double check that the row/col on that key was correct.
2) Not quite sure what key that is... it works in standard mode, but not NKRO? That in itself is a little odd.
3) ya, dunno what the failure mode should be there

bpiphany · « **Reply #515 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 11:30:07 »

2. Backslash! I meant backslash... And yes, that was a bit odd.

fl0w3n · « **Reply #516 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 15:13:26 »

Quote from: alaricljs on Sun, 18 November 2012, 08:21:02

Just to clear up some possible confusion... the tmk firmware is hasu's. As for how to... pjrc has a quickie on getting the right compiler installed here

Was that PJRC guide directed at my question?

alaricljs · « **Reply #517 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 16:15:05 »

tjweir asked for how to build the firmware. Your question is too vague to address, honestly.

fl0w3n · « **Reply #518 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 16:41:37 »

Quote from: alaricljs on Sun, 18 November 2012, 16:15:05

tjweir asked for how to build the firmware. Your question is too vague to address, honestly.

Ah, boo. Well, I guess I'll just wait until I get it and figure it out on my own then.

xavierblak · « **Reply #519 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 22:38:16 »

Nice! Paid. I was pretty excited when I saw the pm with the payment details come through.

Tranquilite · « **Reply #520 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 23:16:47 »

So after a lot of tinkering, I was finally able to get the hid_liber build of hasu's firmware to work with my Phantom. Unfortunately the one problem that keeps it from being fully functional is that the 17th column doesn't work. After a few hours of pulling my hair out trying to fix it, I found that it is because the bit-shift operators don't work properly on 32bit integers where you need to shift more than 16 bits (at least for the case of the teensy).
For example:

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1<<14 = 0b00000000000000000100000000000000
1<<15 = 0b11111111111111111000000000000000
1<<16 = 0b00000000000000000000000000000000

As you can see, shifting 15 bits causes all the upper bits to be set, and shifting 16 bits does nothing at all.
What this means is that I need to deal with the 16th and 17th columns differently because of the way they are stored in hasu's firmware

If anyone has any graceful ways to deal with this, let me know.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #521 on:** Sun, 18 November 2012, 23:38:16 »

Glad to head your making progress though sorry i havnt tested your other firmware yet.

damorgue · « **Reply #522 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 07:23:29 »

I don't know f it has been solved already but media keys? Below is an excerpt from a document I found stating some key codes if that is of any help:
http://i.imgur.com/G3Ucw.png

I have been messing around in the code but I truly have no idea what I am doing

alaricljs · « **Reply #523 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 07:24:54 »

If you're using avr-keyboard, then no. Media keys actually require a lot more than the right key codes.

SmallFry · « **Reply #524 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 08:07:24 »

What else is there? I'd love to figure out media keys!

alaricljs · « **Reply #525 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 09:01:24 »

Again, hasu's tmk has it... https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/common/keyboard.c line 180 on, and then the stuff that calls is in https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/common/host.c which then bounces you to the lufa or pjrc specific implementation of dealing with USB... pjrc being this stuff: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/protocol/pjrc/usb_extra.c

SmallFry · « **Reply #526 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 09:30:56 »

Oh, thanks. Sorry I didn't read.

Will use it for my Phantom.

Batmann · « **Reply #527 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 14:40:53 »

Not sure whether my question is stupid or not,
are there any leftovers?

tmk1207 · « **Reply #528 on:** Mon, 19 November 2012, 17:42:39 »

Quote from: Batmann on Mon, 19 November 2012, 14:40:53

Not sure whether my question is stupid or not,
are there any leftovers?

Send a message to: http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=6408

Tranquilite · « **Reply #529 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 00:57:44 »

I sent Hasu a message about that problem with bit-shifting, and he suggested that it might have to do with unintentional integer promotion, so I tried explicitly casting the 1 in 1<<c to an unsigned long and now everything works great. Never would have of thought of that in a million years...

Once I clean things up I am going to see if I can get Hasu to add Phantom support to his git repo.

I suppose I should also make it so that there are keymaps for both standard and 7-bit layouts as well...

bisl · « **Reply #530 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 03:31:57 »

I've been working through the great information in the thread concerning the configuration for this gadget, specifically the detailed walkthrough given by oneproduct. Using that, I performed a quick test to change my caps lock to a Ctrl and flash it to the device. Great!

Then, craving layers, I grabbed the TMK stuff from github and after reading the tutorial and poking through the makefile, attempted to load it with doubleshift-break for the bootloader, followed by "make flip" to deploy. This also worked! I'm typing on the keyboard now flashed with TMK.

I then went through and designed my second layer, however now I run into a problem--the keyboard isn't recognized as an ATmega32U4 anymore. I can't open up the device in FLIP, nor deploy. Is there a detail that I've missed somewhere?

alaricljs · « **Reply #531 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 08:03:53 »

The double-shift straight into the boot loader was a bpiphany specific trick. For a hardware trick, the controller has a reed switch responsive to a magnet, that is how I have been jumping to bootload. For tmk it's dbl-shift and then press Pause. Of course this only works if you have Pause in your keymap. Look in common/command.c for all the other dbl-shift commands in tmk.

bisl · « **Reply #532 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 09:35:15 »

Yeah--I had actually changed my bootloader command to be both Alts/Shifts/Ctrls just like someone else in the thread (maybe also oneproduct?) and then of course it changed when I switched loaded TMK onto the board.

Now, when I use the TMK command (still doubleshift-pause, I didn't change it) the the keyboard stops responding and windows stops detecting it as expected; however the keyboard seems to be detected as "HID Keyboard Device" instead of ATmega32U4. This is preventing FLIP from detecting it.

Anyone else trying to use TMK on windows?

alaricljs · « **Reply #533 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 09:42:00 »

I am, and use the magnet trick... testing the other method now. Worked no problem.

bisl · « **Reply #534 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 09:45:34 »

I don't have any magnets

I'll keep working at it and see what I can come up with.

bisl · « **Reply #535 on:** Wed, 21 November 2012, 10:26:26 »

Allrighty, went and picked up a magnet, and amazingly this did the trick. After waving it over the controller windows played the device-removed sound, and upon opening up device manager it appeared again as ATmega32U4. This allowed me to flash again as normal.

Guess I'll be keeping this thing around my desk!

Sifo · « **Reply #536 on:** Fri, 23 November 2012, 12:24:53 »

Got mine safely in Canada!

Now you guys gotta help me program it ^^

Quote from: skriefal on Mon, 29 October 2012, 21:37:18

Quote from: The_Beast on Wed, 24 October 2012, 01:24:35
This should work with a Filco Camo right?

Yep. Just installed one into a Camo. Works fine.

(Attachment Link)

I'm trying to install mine onto a camo and mine won't fit?

bpiphany · « **Reply #537 on:** Fri, 23 November 2012, 13:22:57 »

The pins may be tilted a bit inwards, you should be able to get it in there.. I have had them all mounted in my TKL while programming/testing them. If your model isn't completely differently built of course, but I think they should all be the same. Put one side in and try to wiggle the other side in after that.

Sifo · « **Reply #538 on:** Fri, 23 November 2012, 13:38:15 »

Brute force bent some of the pins, got it. Thanks!!!

gizzard · « **Reply #539 on:** Sat, 24 November 2012, 23:14:34 »

Got it working :-)

using oneproduct's windows instructions and alaricljs's fork to hasu's code.

Works great and the mapping is easy to read/change.

Now i just need to figure out what to map... the default is media keys, sleep, and calc... hmmmm

alaricljs · « **Reply #540 on:** Sun, 25 November 2012, 10:21:49 »

LOL, that's just an adaptation of my AHK stuff... figured it'd be a nice demonstration of what can be done rather than a bone stock layout.

hluo87 · « **Reply #541 on:** Sun, 25 November 2012, 14:22:35 »

will it work for KBT pure?

jdcarpe · « **Reply #542 on:** Sun, 25 November 2012, 14:27:51 »

Quote from: hluo87 on Sun, 25 November 2012, 14:22:35

will it work for KBT pure?

KBT Pure has the controller soldered to the PCB. This daughterboard fits ONLY on the Filco TKL.

If you are looking for a 60% keyboard with programmable ATmega32u4 controller, you will want to get in on the GH60 keyboard, once they are tested and into the group buy phase. You can see more about it here.

And welcome to Geekhack! Say goodbye to your wallet. You are now broke.

Sifo · « **Reply #543 on:** Sun, 25 November 2012, 15:26:18 »

Hey guys I still need someone to help me program this

I've got a layout I can show you if someone wants to shoot me a PM.

SmallFry · « **Reply #544 on:** Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:37:31 »

Read the last few pages Sifo, they're really helpful!

hluo87 · « **Reply #545 on:** Wed, 28 November 2012, 20:01:15 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Sun, 25 November 2012, 14:27:51

Quote from: hluo87 on Sun, 25 November 2012, 14:22:35
will it work for KBT pure?

KBT Pure has the controller soldered to the PCB. This daughterboard fits ONLY on the Filco TKL.

If you are looking for a 60% keyboard with programmable ATmega32u4 controller, you will want to get in on the GH60 keyboard, once they are tested and into the group buy phase. You can see more about it here.

And welcome to Geekhack! Say goodbye to your wallet. You are now broke.

lol thanks man,
i finally end up buying a race.
i need arrow keys

hluo87 · « **Reply #546 on:** Thu, 29 November 2012, 09:51:16 »

i am interested!!!!!!

gizzard · « **Reply #547 on:** Fri, 30 November 2012, 12:37:03 »

Anybody have luck with V+ and V- keyboard calls? media keys and everything else are working...

Strange

litster · « **Reply #548 on:** Thu, 06 December 2012, 21:57:34 »

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bisl · « **Reply #549 on:** Fri, 07 December 2012, 11:16:18 »

Quote from: gizzard on Fri, 30 November 2012, 12:37:03

Anybody have luck with V+ and V- keyboard calls? media keys and everything else are working...

Strange

I'm using Hasu's code, and my volume up and down keys work without issue. Your other stuff works though?

News:

Author Topic: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller - All gone, that's it folks. (Read 254178 times)