GMK Penumbra?

[sherbo]

I'm not posting this in IC because I have no idea how this would get done nor do I have renders. I was looking at the GMK Carbon IC and it made me think about how good penumbra (solarized) colorway would look as a GMK keycap set. I mean look at it! It would make a gorgeous GMK set!

[zombimuncha]

or JTK.

[scubaste]

 At the very least you would need permission from the original designer. I have a feeling that the designer, or whoever has his/her "blessing" to use the design most likely have some plans for the Penumbra colorway already. But yeah GMK Penumbra would look fantastic.

[sherbo]

or JTK.

Even better! Doing something like this would really set them apart from GMK, besides the price.

[yinzer]

I'd strongly suggest you contact BunnyLake. CTRL.ALT plans to continue to sell this set.

Once all the old stuff is out we will be running round 2, it'll be the final sp buy we ever do as I promised I would do it

It'll be an all in one set like hackd was

A similar proposition for Hyperfuse popped up on Reddit yesterday and it was not well recieved. Even though CTRL.ALT doesn't own the colors, it is nonetheless their design.

[pwade3]

I'd strongly suggest you contact BunnyLake. CTRL.ALT plans to continue to sell this set.

Once all the old stuff is out we will be running round 2, it'll be the final sp buy we ever do as I promised I would do it

It'll be an all in one set like hackd was

A similar proposition for Hyperfuse popped up on Reddit yesterday and it was not well recieved. Even though CTRL.ALT doesn't own the colors, it is nonetheless their design.

That thread was such a beautiful ****show.  )

[zslane]

Even if they do elect to run more rounds of SA Penumbra, I don't know that a GMK Penumbra would pose a problem. I observe a distinct "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to GMK (cylindrical) and SA (spherical) keycaps within the community. Is there really that much overlap between the two camps? I'm not so sure there is.

In the end, I don't see a lot of SA sales getting lost to a GMK group buy, or vice versa. I think they can peacfully co-exist.

[pwade3]

Even if they do elect to run more rounds of SA Penumbra, I don't know that a GMK Penumbra would pose a problem. I observe a distinct "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to GMK (cylindrical) and SA (spherical) keycaps within the community. Is there really that much overlap between the two camps? I'm not so sure there is.

In the end, I don't see a lot of SA sales getting lost to a GMK group buy, or vice versa. I think they can peacfully co-exist.

The issue isn't GMK vs SA, like you said, both have a market.

The issue is the Penumbra is CtrlAlt's (or just bunny's?) colorway, at best it's shameful, and at worst illegal (intellectual property laws), to try and produce a set with the colorway without their (his) permission.

It's CtrlAlt's decision to do GMK Penumbra if it is to happen, not anyone else's.

[MOZ]

Incorrect.

Ryan Uber was the one that adapted the very popular Solarized pallete for a keycap set, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49634.0. If anyone has the rights to the color it is Ethan Shoonover.

[pwade3]

Incorrect.

Ryan Uber was the one that adapted the very popular Solarized pallete for a keycap set, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49634.0. If anyone has the rights to the color it is Ethan Shoonover.

HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I'm stupid.

I completely mixed that up with hyperfuse due to the drama. 

[dunglefinker]

I'd strongly suggest you contact BunnyLake. CTRL.ALT plans to continue to sell this set.

Once all the old stuff is out we will be running round 2, it'll be the final sp buy we ever do as I promised I would do it

It'll be an all in one set like hackd was

A similar proposition for Hyperfuse popped up on Reddit yesterday and it was not well recieved. Even though CTRL.ALT doesn't own the colors, it is nonetheless their design.

That thread was such a beautiful ****show.  )

Goodness gracious that poor woman. PitchforkEmporium showed up too late it was such a poopshoot

[Niomosy]

Even if they do elect to run more rounds of SA Penumbra, I don't know that a GMK Penumbra would pose a problem. I observe a distinct "us vs. them" mentality when it comes to GMK (cylindrical) and SA (spherical) keycaps within the community. Is there really that much overlap between the two camps? I'm not so sure there is.

In the end, I don't see a lot of SA sales getting lost to a GMK group buy, or vice versa. I think they can peacfully co-exist.

The issue isn't GMK vs SA, like you said, both have a market.

The issue is the Penumbra is CtrlAlt's (or just bunny's?) colorway, at best it's shameful, and at worst illegal (intellectual property laws), to try and produce a set with the colorway without their (his) permission.

It's CtrlAlt's decision to do GMK Penumbra if it is to happen, not anyone else's.

Colorways receive no legal protection at all.  This was confirmed by Signature Plastics some time ago.


Here's the link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78797.msg2015702#msg2015702

[LunarisDream]

Colorways receive no legal protection at all.  This was confirmed by Signature Plastics some time ago.

Here's the link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78797.msg2015702#msg2015702

While true, you can expect pressure from folks who have created these designs to maintain sole rights of production by pressuring the manufacturers like SP/GMK. Also, the community likely won't take kindly to ripping off another's design even when not protected by law, so hitting MOQ will be difficult.

Best to make your own instead of copying someone else's. Picking a couple of color codes from a small range to look nice together and appeal to a wide audience should not be overly difficult.

[Niomosy]

Colorways receive no legal protection at all.  This was confirmed by Signature Plastics some time ago.

Here's the link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78797.msg2015702#msg2015702

While true, you can expect pressure from folks who have created these designs to maintain sole rights of production by pressuring the manufacturers like SP/GMK. Also, the community likely won't take kindly to ripping off another's design even when not protected by law, so hitting MOQ will be difficult.

Best to make your own instead of copying someone else's. Picking a couple of color codes from a small range to look nice together and appeal to a wide audience should not be overly difficult.

SP has already stated there's no production exclusivity here.   Barring any trademark problems with novelty caps, they'll produce so long as you bring them a colorway, money.

As to the community, that heavily depends.  Flatline had plenty of backers though I imagine other sets might fare differently.  It would depend on the set and the designer.  If the designer has no interest in running something, it's open for the community.

[zoomwalt]

Colorways receive no legal protection at all.  This was confirmed by Signature Plastics some time ago.

Here's the link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78797.msg2015702#msg2015702

While true, you can expect pressure from folks who have created these designs to maintain sole rights of production by pressuring the manufacturers like SP/GMK. Also, the community likely won't take kindly to ripping off another's design even when not protected by law, so hitting MOQ will be difficult.

Best to make your own instead of copying someone else's. Picking a couple of color codes from a small range to look nice together and appeal to a wide audience should not be overly difficult.

SP has already stated there's no production exclusivity here.   Barring any trademark problems with novelty caps, they'll produce so long as you bring them a colorway, money.

As to the community, that heavily depends.  Flatline had plenty of backers though I imagine other sets might fare differently.  It would depend on the set and the designer.  If the designer has no interest in running something, it's open for the community.

do you know what SP's MOQ is?

[Niomosy]

Colorways receive no legal protection at all.  This was confirmed by Signature Plastics some time ago.

Here's the link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78797.msg2015702#msg2015702

While true, you can expect pressure from folks who have created these designs to maintain sole rights of production by pressuring the manufacturers like SP/GMK. Also, the community likely won't take kindly to ripping off another's design even when not protected by law, so hitting MOQ will be difficult.

Best to make your own instead of copying someone else's. Picking a couple of color codes from a small range to look nice together and appeal to a wide audience should not be overly difficult.

SP has already stated there's no production exclusivity here.   Barring any trademark problems with novelty caps, they'll produce so long as you bring them a colorway, money.

As to the community, that heavily depends.  Flatline had plenty of backers though I imagine other sets might fare differently.  It would depend on the set and the designer.  If the designer has no interest in running something, it's open for the community.

do you know what SP's MOQ is?

Their MoQ is pretty low but the price per set goes up at lower quantities so volume is still important.  You can probably check out MassDrop's other SP set runs as the community page normally lists pricing options.  50 ends up a rough starting point for the base kit but it's not a hard set number.

[spookydoge]

According to the GMK Carbon IC, the MOQ for custom colors would be around 400. That should definitely be doable.
And regarding the colors, Solarized is completely free to use (even commercially), so there should not be any issues.

So I think a GMK Solarized/Penumbra GB would work and hit MOQ.

[shower_king]

According to the GMK Carbon IC, the MOQ for custom colors would be around 400. That should definitely be doable.
And regarding the colors, Solarized is completely free to use (even commercially), so there should not be any issues.

So I think a GMK Solarized/Penumbra GB would work and hit MOQ.

150

[zephyr11]

can I ask, if there's anywhere that stocks or sells GMK keycaps, can't seem to find anyone who stocks them. though I might not have enough to burn for a proper set.

[Niomosy]

can I ask, if there's anywhere that stocks or sells GMK keycaps, can't seem to find anyone who stocks them. though I might not have enough to burn for a proper set.

You can find them on Originative's site.  The GMK Skeletor group buy is up now.  Otherwise they have GMK Cyan or Orange up for purchase right now.

https://www.originativeco.com/ 

According to the GMK Carbon IC, the MOQ for custom colors would be around 400. That should definitely be doable.
And regarding the colors, Solarized is completely free to use (even commercially), so there should not be any issues.

So I think a GMK Solarized/Penumbra GB would work and hit MOQ.

150

Thought 150 was only for standard colors.  Didn't custom colors still have a higher MoQ? 

[zephyr11]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^


thanks!

they are a bit too blinding for me. was hoping for something with dolch colored keycaps, but maybe color text or something. like the sky dolch. but it's sold out, maybe I should wait for the next drop.

[juahenza]

I would fart rainbow if this happens

[spookydoge]

I did a mockup for a GMK Solarized keyset, please tell me what you think about it!
Note: keycap colors appear wrong on the site, the border of the key has the actual color.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/2a5e7cbfdc4ad69b6d1b3f67a6a3d25d

[GSimon]

I did a mockup for a GMK Solarized keyset, please tell me what you think about it!
Note: keycap colors appear wrong on the site, the border of the key has the actual color.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/2a5e7cbfdc4ad69b6d1b3f67a6a3d25d

So...Triumph Adler basically.

The Penumbra colorway with the alternate grey on creme alphas would at least look different.

It would be cool to just do the mods for Penumbra really, they make up most of the set's feel

[zombimuncha]

It would be cool to just do the mods for Penumbra really, they make up most of the set's feel

^this

[Nask]

GMK/JTL Penumbra/Solarized, we have to make it real !

[WOMBO]

looks like your dream came true
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83635.0

[sherbo]

looks like your dream came true
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83635.0

Wow, I had honestly given up hope. Looks like I won't be getting GMK Carbon then.

[Proyoyo]

& it might come earlier than our expectation since Bunny's already coordinated it with GMK & vendor.

[repuls0r]

Definitely comes as  surprise,  expecting SA,  and got GMK instead

[Geckt]

That's gonna be a real mad dash with only 500sets according to Bunny's words......
 

[repuls0r]

That's gonna be a real mad dash with only 500sets according to Bunny's words......
 

Definitely if the 500 available includes the China market too

[shower_king]

That's gonna be a real mad dash with only 500sets according to Bunny's words......
 

Definitely if the 500 available includes the China market too

please don't generate unnecessary worries and anxieties.
please use not"only 500 sets" but "enough 500 sets"
GMK carbon's success may not be replicated in the foreseeable future. There are many factors attributed to that success.
One primary factor is that MD has  more audience than GH from other hobby areas. It is unbelievable that many who have not used or bought a mechanical keyboard have joined in the GMK carbon party. I am pretty sure that phenomenon will not  happen to GMK penumbra, since bunny has said this set would be sold by a vendor's website. Even being sold on GH as well ,  500 sets would be enough for those who long for  to buy one set GMK penumbra.
Looking at the GMK skeletor  has been launch in sherryton's website, it is 200 or more sets ?i am not sure about that, but the limited audience actually have an effect on that. Thus there is no need to cause unnecessary worries that we could not even buy one set.
Another boost in China? OK, i come from China , i have got acquaintance with some proxys. Some proxys would not provide service for buying on GH. That will not cause shoping boost for GMK boost like MD. pLEASE calm down and take it easy.

[Geckt]

That's gonna be a real mad dash with only 500sets according to Bunny's words......
 

Definitely if the 500 available includes the China market too

please don't generate unnecessary worries and anxieties.
please use not"only 500 sets" but "enough 500 sets"
GMK carbon's success may not be replicated in the foreseeable future. There are many factors attributed to that success.
One primary factor is that MD has  more audience than GH from other hobby areas. It is unbelievable that many who have not used or bought a mechanical keyboard have joined in the GMK carbon party. I am pretty sure that phenomenon will not  happen to GMK penumbra, since bunny has said this set would be sold by a vendor's website. Even being sold on GH as well ,  500 sets would be enough for those who long for  to buy one set GMK penumbra.
Looking at the GMK skeletor  has been launch in sherryton's website, it is 200 or more sets ?i am not sure about that, but the limited audience actually have an effect on that. Thus there is no need to cause unnecessary worries that we could not even buy one set.
Another boost in China? OK, i come from China , i have got acquaintance with some proxys. Some proxys would not provide service for buying on GH. That will not cause shoping boost for GMK boost like MD. pLEASE calm down and take it easy.

I don't see how it's generating anxiety, in fact if you did enough back tracking the words don't come from me. As for repuls0r, idk really. He isn't wrong either IF it IS as commented to be limited to ONLY 500sets.

From my PoV, I’d trust that people would rather read/trust posted info from GB OPs when it comes to popular items like these keysets then to just believe in random convo comments.

So, IF it's handled the way it is like GMK Skeletor as you mentioned, I'd trust it will be less than expected of course. GMK Skeletor is almost a “Sudden strike” launch with a soft maximum order quantity which is still very similar to a directly stated quantity limit somehow.

And in the end, I certainly don't see why it needs to go into a touchy area where nationality has to come into the topics tho it was mentioned. So I agree with you for that one, everyone needs to tone it down a little and grab a tea.

[shower_king]

OK,，i don't know why somebody wanna to make things into flame.
I just want to clarify a truth not to put where you come from into touchy area.
If your live in China and know the proxy, you will know what i said . if not , please not put things into flame.

[Niomosy]

Definitely comes as  surprise,  expecting SA,  and got GMK instead

He's mentioned that both SA and GMK runs are planned.

As for concerns on quantity, I don't think it's a huge issue.  If more quantity is needed, another run can be done.

[canigetanipa]

Would be nice to know when the buy might go live

[keyladding]

Definitely comes as  surprise,  expecting SA,  and got GMK instead

He's mentioned that both SA and GMK runs are planned.

As for concerns on quantity, I don't think it's a huge issue.  If more quantity is needed, another run can be done.

Is Originative doing Penumbra GMK next round?  Like Hyperfuse?

[Niomosy]

Definitely comes as  surprise,  expecting SA,  and got GMK instead

He's mentioned that both SA and GMK runs are planned.

As for concerns on quantity, I don't think it's a huge issue.  If more quantity is needed, another run can be done.

Is Originative doing Penumbra GMK next round?  Like Hyperfuse?

I don't recall a vendor being mentioned the last time I checked.  It was just that both sets are going to be run and someone had confirmed with GMK that a request was submitted for the Penumbra colorway.  There may be further updates that I'm not aware of as I've not checked up on it in a while.

[Lepidus]

I guess HyperFuse sale settled the discussion about 500 sets being or not enough.
2 days after HF and they still have plenty of stock.

[potatobot]

I guess HyperFuse sale settled the discussion about 500 sets being or not enough.
2 days after HF and they still have plenty of stock.

Vendor prices are too high, atleast they are available for people who have deep pockets or just dying to get those set.

Is penumbra gonna be sold by originative?

[Dr_Alphabet]

I guess HyperFuse sale settled the discussion about 500 sets being or not enough.
2 days after HF and they still have plenty of stock.

Vendor prices are too high, atleast they are available for people who have deep pockets or just dying to get those set.

Is penumbra gonna be sold by originative?

160$ is a totally reasonable price for a complete hyperfuse set imo. I guess your comparing it to base kit prices of other sets? What's a reasonable price in your opinion? Honestly, if originative does release penumbra, and I can't imagine anyone else will after hosting hyperfuse,  I might have to buy another board just to put it on.

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[potatobot]

I guess HyperFuse sale settled the discussion about 500 sets being or not enough.
2 days after HF and they still have plenty of stock.

Vendor prices are too high, atleast they are available for people who have deep pockets or just dying to get those set.

Is penumbra gonna be sold by originative?

160$ is a totally reasonable price for a complete hyperfuse set imo. I guess your comparing it to base kit prices of other sets? What's a reasonable price in your opinion? Honestly, if originative does release penumbra, and I can't imagine anyone else will after hosting hyperfuse,  I might have to buy another board just to put it on.

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Oh yeah they offer the complete set... which is fair for its price. considering the base was sold at around $115 and no waiting time

But the other keys, I have no use for, it would have been nice to offer them in kits tho...

especially for people like me who live outside US who has to pay shipping + tax

[Dr_Alphabet]

I guess HyperFuse sale settled the discussion about 500 sets being or not enough.
2 days after HF and they still have plenty of stock.

Vendor prices are too high, atleast they are available for people who have deep pockets or just dying to get those set.

Is penumbra gonna be sold by originative?

160$ is a totally reasonable price for a complete hyperfuse set imo. I guess your comparing it to base kit prices of other sets? What's a reasonable price in your opinion? Honestly, if originative does release penumbra, and I can't imagine anyone else will after hosting hyperfuse,  I might have to buy another board just to put it on.

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Oh yeah they offer the complete set... which is fair for its price. considering the base was sold at around $115 and no waiting time

But the other keys, I have no use for, it would have been nice to offer them in kits tho...

especially for people like me who live outside US who has to pay shipping + tax

Yea though I'm pretty sure that's why they went with originative; to release the largest number of sets to the largest number of people while the ctrlalt team deals with past GBs. I think this is helping them raise money to complete past orders. I respect that.

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