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Offline Slywanin

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Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« on: Fri, 03 February 2023, 09:22:41 »
Hi,

I'm Abdul Lutfi, an Engineer, from Singapore.

It frustrates me to see that my absolute stringent requirements for quality, product & experience offering is highly dispersed.

Meaning, that all my requirements can only be partially fulfilled by each individual manufacturers.

Legend design & quality, Keycap Profiles & lengths offered, Build Quality, Packaging & even the Unboxing Experience which itself forms a part of the product.
Think Apple products' unboxing.

Given my strict requirements, I will have to source different parts of the keycap product from different manufacturers and hand assemble them in my house.
One for the keycaps, another for the tray, another for the box, another for the shrinkwrapping.
In doing so scrutinising for quality.

Having said that, I will have to charge maybe around $800 for a base kit along with perhaps a year of waiting.
Along with the Add-on sets, you can build a keyboard of any layout you can fathom currently on offered today.

Along the way, I will update / video log you guys on my website of my progress.

Who's willing to come along?

Part 2: After I have a website. Stay tuned.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 03 February 2023, 12:09:29 »
Thing is, for something like keycaps I'm not sure handmade equals better quality, since it would be hard to get the strict tolerances machines can deliver.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 03 February 2023, 13:11:19 »
It's not a question of handmade quality but getting the best of what each manufacturer can achieve into a single package.

So for example:
the best ABS keycaps comes from gmk.
The best manufacturer that supplies the best accessorries comes from company A.
The best manufacturer for the packaging comes from a company near my place.
So I get them & "assemble" in my house/office before sending them out.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 01:32:32 »
People who want the "Rolls Royce" of keycaps are likely looking for high-quality, premium keyboard keycaps that offer a luxurious look and feel. These individuals may be passionate about their computer setup and want keycaps that not only look good but also perform well, with a high-end typing experience. They may also appreciate the level of detail and craftsmanship that goes into creating premium keycaps. Keycap enthusiasts and gamers may be among the group who want the "Rolls Royce" of keycaps, as they place a high value on having a stylish and functional keyboard setup.

Offline Slywanin

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 11:14:53 »
Raily Rusive, Thank you so much for the input.

On the subject of high quality, premium keycaps:
What would deter an enthusiast from getting an all aluminum keycap set?

Is it the price, colour offerings, the "feeling" ... ?

What gives?

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 11:29:04 »
Gonna be honest, this is a bad ideal. Not many care about the quality of the packaging & shrink wrap, most just care about the quality of the caps & the caps making it to them in good shape. NK is selling all alum caps for around $300 with pretty good packaging which would represent the current "Rolls Royce" of keycaps to most. What is it that you could offer that would be worth $500 more? Unless it's a top end keyboard that comes with the caps I think your gonna find most people in the hobby very uninterested in this ideal.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 11:31:21 »
Raily Rusive, Thank you so much for the input.

On the subject of high quality, premium keycaps:
What would deter an enthusiast from getting an all aluminum keycap set?

Is it the price, colour offerings, the "feeling" ... ?

What gives?
I have an all aluminum set. It's okay, but for comfort plastic is better. Same with keyboards really. Aluminum boards look fantastic, but a good quality plastic board has a nicer sound.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 11:59:13 »
People do pay $800+ for keycap sets alone.

But the thing is, they're from vintage keyboards made in the 80s/90s.

All of the "best keycaps" were made back then; even if you went with the best manufacturers of today, you wouldn't be able to match that quality. To do that you'd need to manufacture them yourself.
https://kbdarchive.org/
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Offline Slywanin

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 12:15:57 »
Raily Rusive, Thank you so much for the input.

On the subject of high quality, premium keycaps:
What would deter an enthusiast from getting an all aluminum keycap set?

Is it the price, colour offerings, the "feeling" ... ?

What gives?
I have an all aluminum set. It's okay, but for comfort plastic is better. Same with keyboards really. Aluminum boards look fantastic, but a good quality plastic board has a nicer sound.

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Define Comfort.

Friction, temperature, texture?

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 12:21:58 »
Raily Rusive, Thank you so much for the input.

On the subject of high quality, premium keycaps:
What would deter an enthusiast from getting an all aluminum keycap set?

Is it the price, colour offerings, the "feeling" ... ?

What gives?
I have an all aluminum set. It's okay, but for comfort plastic is better. Same with keyboards really. Aluminum boards look fantastic, but a good quality plastic board has a nicer sound.

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Define Comfort.

Friction, temperature, texture?
All three. They feel cold, slightly rough edges, and they will actually ruin your stems if you're not careful.

Don't get me wrong, it's a nice set to have and it looks exclusive, but a good pbt or abs set is better for daily use.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 12:28:11 »
All of the "best keycaps" were made back then; even if you went with the best manufacturers of today, you wouldn't be able to match that quality. To do that you'd need to manufacture them yourself.


Because per my market research here, All keycaps GBs SUCK.

Quality control sucks.
Cosmetic issues are everywhere.
GMK? Long waiting times with packaging that sucks.

The only way I see myself providing quality products for this community is to go aluminum & charge a hefty price;
because I will scrutinize every keycap with them being made locally in Singapore.

So I can *&#$ my manufacturers if they $*&^ed up.

I never paid for a product I commissioned simply because they did not deliver what I specified in my engineering drawings.


All three. They feel cold, slightly rough edges, and they will actually ruin your stems if you're not careful.

On the subject of Comfort, NOTED.

One cannot avoid the first: temperature.
Rough edges: Surface treatment is needed to address the issues of bur & sharp edges; Addressable.
Stems: All about Allowances & Tolerances; Addressable.

Thank You So Much for you Input! :thumb:


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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 12:38:08 »
Gonna be honest, this is a bad ideal. Not many care about the quality of the packaging & shrink wrap, most just care about the quality of the caps & the caps making it to them in good shape. NK is selling all alum caps for around $300 with pretty good packaging which would represent the current "Rolls Royce" of keycaps to most. What is it that you could offer that would be worth $500 more? Unless it's a top end keyboard that comes with the caps I think your gonna find most people in the hobby very uninterested in this ideal.


Appreciate your honesty. Really!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 13:25:17 »
All of the "best keycaps" were made back then; even if you went with the best manufacturers of today, you wouldn't be able to match that quality. To do that you'd need to manufacture them yourself.


Because per my market research here, All keycaps GBs SUCK.

Quality control sucks.
Cosmetic issues are everywhere.
GMK? Long waiting times with packaging that sucks.

The only way I see myself providing quality products for this community is to go aluminum & charge a hefty price;
because I will scrutinize every keycap with them being made locally in Singapore.

So I can *&#$ my manufacturers if they $*&^ed up.

I never paid for a product I commissioned simply because they did not deliver what I specified in my engineering drawings.


All three. They feel cold, slightly rough edges, and they will actually ruin your stems if you're not careful.

On the subject of Comfort, NOTED.

One cannot avoid the first: temperature.
Rough edges: Surface treatment is needed to address the issues of bur & sharp edges; Addressable.
Stems: All about Allowances & Tolerances; Addressable.

Thank You So Much for you Input! :thumb:
Do you actually have experience with aluminum keycaps?

The set I have is actually very high quality. I don't see how to improve on that, as it's actually a limitation of the material.

They fit the stems very well, but the problem is that aluminum is much harder material than the plastic stems. You can't change that.

And the fact that keycaps need to be machine cut means that it's hard to get them as smooth. Don't get me wrong. You can certainly use them without problems, but they are not the Rolls-Royce. More like a Lada or a Fiat.

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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 04 February 2023, 22:48:18 »
Do you actually have experience with aluminum keycaps?

The set I have is actually very high quality. ...


I do have extensive experience handling & dealing with the materials per se, but keycaps no.

What is the alu-keycap set that you have?

I should like to have a look.


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Re: Who want the ROLLS ROYCE of KEYCAPS? Part 1
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 05 February 2023, 04:05:50 »
https://metalkeyboards.no

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