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http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/arrived.php
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YES! Gonna have one!
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You guys should posts pics just showing the piles and piles of keyboard boxes!!
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"DK9008G2 PRO PBT Grey keycaps (Dark Grey Cherry MX)"
Dat pain...
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You guys should posts pics just showing the piles and piles of keyboard boxes!!
Haha, we used to actually do this.
We'll be sure to once the Shine 3 shipment comes in because that one will be huge.
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Already ordered mine :D
I had a script set up to watch the page.
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In for some greens. ;D
Time to finally replace this chattering Xarmor.
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In for some greens. ;D
Time to finally replace this chattering Xarmor.
Oh wow. That's going to be a serious upgrade.
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I think your 'just arrived' php took a big ol stinky dump
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Warning: extract() [function.extract]: First argument should be an array in XXXXX
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NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why you no sell the dyesubs separated ? :p
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NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why you no sell the dyesubs separated ? :p
Hopefully soon!
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NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why you no sell the dyesubs separated ? :p
Could always find someone interested in just the board itself maybe :P
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You better be saving one of those MX Green / Dark Gray PBTs for me...
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Your page is broken on iOS.
Works on my computer but doesn't on my iphone. Just thought you might want to know.
Edit: Doesn't work on my pc now either
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Dark Greys or Greens?
I've owned Greens before, which I do like, but I'm feeling more Dark Greys because of the sheer rarity (who else will ever release a Dark Grey keyboard?!).
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Your page is broken on iOS.
Works on my computer but doesn't on my iphone. Just thought you might want to know.
its broken on my pc as well. chrome on windows xp.
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NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why you no sell the dyesubs separated ? :p
Hopefully soon!
Very unlikely.
Dark Greys or Greens?
I've owned Greens before, which I do like, but I'm feeling more Dark Greys because of the sheer rarity (who else will ever release a Dark Grey keyboard?!).
Rarity is a great word choice. We asked for (50) and received (17). I'm guessing they may have made 25 - 50 (or even 17).
We fixed the page! Very sorry about that! Ducky updated the SKUs of all the Dye-Subs and our system did not like it very much when we did the same.
IMPORTANT note:
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Ducky will likely never make PBT Dye-Subs again. They are the thickest I've ever seen, and they are super nice, but apparently production is an absolute nightmare and very costly. I've been given the clear impression that if Ducky could go back in time, they never would have made the Dye-Subs, so I highly doubt key cap sets or more Dye-Subs will be coming anytime soon. You've been warned :)
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I ordered some greens to field test this weekend, I'm praying I like them. Will be ordering a blue board if they aren't my cup of tea.
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Ducky will likely never make PBT Dye-Subs again. They are the thickest I've ever seen, and they are super nice, but apparently production is an absolute nightmare and very costly. I've been given the clear impression that if Ducky could go back in time, they never would have made the Dye-Subs, so I highly doubt key cap sets or more Dye-Subs will be coming anytime soon. You've been warned :)
Damn, well in that case I'm glad I grabbed one when I did. Ducky is their own keycap OEM, correct? I wonder what they're going to do with all the equipment to make these keycaps.
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ShakeR YGPM!
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Ducky will likely never make PBT Dye-Subs again. They are the thickest I've ever seen, and they are super nice, but apparently production is an absolute nightmare and very costly. I've been given the clear impression that if Ducky could go back in time, they never would have made the Dye-Subs, so I highly doubt key cap sets or more Dye-Subs will be coming anytime soon. You've been warned :)
Tell those whiners to go talk to IBM and/or Unicomp. PBT doesn't need to be ridiculously thick, but those are the guys who know how to do it, and the dye-sub part is ridiculously cheap. (Seriously!) Besides, trust me, I can show them thicker ABS double-shots - which I'm quite sure cost a small fortune. They can make PBT dye-subs economically. :P
Why yes, I DO want a White/Gray set as a separate orderable SKU, however did you guess?
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I do too, and I almost got a full keyboard to get it but... I stopped myself. If at some point the separate PBT sets become available, as they are to Ducky Nordic in some quantity, I'd be all over those.
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All of these keyboards are listed as PCB mounted... Is this a mistake?
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I picked up a Dark Grey & Blue with MX Blues and if they are still around next week a Gray Switch one.
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All of these keyboards are listed as PCB mounted... Is this a mistake?
Yes. Fixed.
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I picked up a Dark Grey & Blue with MX Blues and if they are still around next week a Gray Switch one.
Excellent choice! That's probably the exact one I'll be leaving home with Tuesday :)
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I picked up a Dark Grey & Blue with MX Blues and if they are still around next week a Gray Switch one.
Excellent choice! That's probably the exact one I'll be leaving home with Tuesday :)
ShakeR I sent you a PM!
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Ducky will likely never make PBT Dye-Subs again. They are the thickest I've ever seen, and they are super nice, but apparently production is an absolute nightmare and very costly. I've been given the clear impression that if Ducky could go back in time, they never would have made the Dye-Subs, so I highly doubt key cap sets or more Dye-Subs will be coming anytime soon. You've been warned :)
Tell those whiners to go talk to IBM and/or Unicomp. PBT doesn't need to be ridiculously thick, but those are the guys who know how to do it, and the dye-sub part is ridiculously cheap. (Seriously!) Besides, trust me, I can show them thicker ABS double-shots - which I'm quite sure cost a small fortune. They can make PBT dye-subs economically. :P
Why yes, I DO want a White/Gray set as a separate orderable SKU, however did you guess?
It's not just the materials that are costly. It's the defects. Apparently, it took many, many runs before they could produce them correctly. The defect rate was just too high.
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I picked up a Dark Grey & Blue with MX Blues and if they are still around next week a Gray Switch one.
Excellent choice! That's probably the exact one I'll be leaving home with Tuesday :)
How many Gray Switch ones do you have left?
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ShakeR
If I was to sell my 2 month old ducky shine II on geekhack to another member can the warranty be transffered to them?
I'm considering getting of these dye-sub boards but would have to sell my current board first.
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I picked up a Dark Grey & Blue with MX Blues and if they are still around next week a Gray Switch one.
Excellent choice! That's probably the exact one I'll be leaving home with Tuesday :)
How many Gray Switch ones do you have left?
Plenty. We've only sold a couple. We will sell out of these, but it will likely take some time. You've probably got at least a few weeks before they're all gone, so I wouldn't sweat it. Only a select few have the required finger strength to type on a full set of Gray MXs ;)
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ShakeR
If I was to sell my 2 month old ducky shine II on geekhack to another member can the warranty be transffered to them?
I'm considering getting of these dye-sub boards but would have to sell my current board first.
I saw this PM. I'm looking into it with Ducky. Should have something for you soon.
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ShakeR
If I was to sell my 2 month old ducky shine II on geekhack to another member can the warranty be transffered to them?
I'm considering getting of these dye-sub boards but would have to sell my current board first.
I saw this PM. I'm looking into it with Ducky. Should have something for you soon.
Awesome! Thanks man.
Wish those gray switches were the tactile variant!
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Hey I just got this keyboard in the mail today and its got blue led instead of purple did they just switch the keycaps for the DK9008 G2 Pro?
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Just got my 9008G2 Pro Dark Gray PBT with Clears in this morning - ordered it on Wednesday, excellent service as always from mechanicalkeyboards.com.
Pics! (http://imgur.com/a/M5av0)
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I wonder if the purple LED is only for some models and is switch-dependent. But the promo photos were all generic with purple?
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I kind of just assumed that all models would come in purple leds but regardless the model that i ordered was suppose to be purple? I was just wondering if I'm the only one with blue led? I ordered the brown switches on Light Grey & White version. I'm going to assume if you ordered something other than the four popular mechanical key switches that you are going to get purple because they would have to spend too much time switching the switches and keycaps?
A link if you want :D
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=470
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Waiting for someone to post a review or open-box!
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Here's my review of my brand-new 9008G2 Pro (http://imgur.com/a/M5av0) - Dark Gray PBT with Clears. Copy/pasted from another forum:
Great, speedy service from Mechanicalkeyboards.com as always -- I ordered it this Wednesday and it got here this morning.
I've only ever typed on Reds and Blues, so the Clears are a new experience. I decided I wanted something stiffer than the Blues but without the extra click. I think I hit the sweet spot here. These take a lot more force than Blues do -- even though the spring is only rated 5g higher than the one on blues, the tactile bump is a lot bigger, so the net effect is that they push back a lot more than just the 5g would indicate. I think for me the amount of tactility is just right.
As far as the board, it's pretty sweet. There are no logos at all on the case, the only Ducky symbols anywhere are on the two Windows keys. The case is actually a very dark gray, definitely not as black as my G2 Pro TKL. The dye-subbed PBT keycaps look fantastic. The printing is extremely neat; I had read some concerns about aliasing / jaggies on the letters but there is none at all to be found.
One thing I noticed when removing the 'D' key for the photo: these caps are a lot harder to remove and install than the ABS ones. You really have to take your time taking them off, and when putting them on the stems there is a 'POP' when you seat it all the way, almost like there is a ridge on the inside of the stem. Not a big thing but I guess it means swapping these would take longer and more care.
That's about all I can think of to say about it. I am 100% satisfied with it and it's going to become my new daily driver for coding and writing. I expect I will still use my TKL with reds for gaming, but I am going to give it a try with this as well and see how I like it.
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Oh -- and the LEDs on my G2 Pro are blue as well. The info on mk did say the LEDs were purple, but they are indeed blue. I don't mind, didn't even occur to me until I read about it here.
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My Ducky Shine II also has the same kind of keycap mechanism: the keys POP in with a noticeable sound. Until you pop them in properly, they sit a bit tall and noticeably out of alignment.
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Just got my 9008G2 Pro Dark Gray PBT with Clears in this morning - ordered it on Wednesday, excellent service as always from mechanicalkeyboards.com.
Pics! (http://imgur.com/a/M5av0)
Which keys are backlit? Can you get a pic of it lit up?
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Just got my 9008G2 Pro Dark Gray PBT with Clears in this morning - ordered it on Wednesday, excellent service as always from mechanicalkeyboards.com.
Pics! (http://imgur.com/a/M5av0)
Which keys are backlit? Can you get a pic of it lit up?
Believe it's WASD, ScrLk, NumLock & Caps.
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Which keys are backlit? Can you get a pic of it lit up?
The WASD cluster has switchable backlighting, and the caps/num/scroll lock keys have it as well. It comes with a set of red WASD keys with translucent letters, but I have not installed those. Not sure how informative it will be, but here is a pic (http://i.imgur.com/dMV128H.jpg) of them lit up. The regular keycaps are not translucent, and the PBT is way too think to let light through.
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Which keys are backlit? Can you get a pic of it lit up?
The WASD cluster has switchable backlighting, and the caps/num/scroll lock keys have it as well. It comes with a set of red WASD keys with translucent letters, but I have not installed those. Not sure how informative it will be, but here is a pic (http://i.imgur.com/dMV128H.jpg) of them lit up. The regular keycaps are not translucent, and the PBT is way too think to let light through.
Looks about perfect to me. I like the sort of underglow effect.
these look like really nice keyboards. Can you comment on the surface roughness of the PBT? I find it is different for SP vs feng Vs old/new IBM unicomp PBT and am curious as to how you would characterize yours.
Anyone want to trade keycaps? I really want clear or (maybe) green switches, and the grey/white keycaps, but sadly the combination is not to be made.
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these look like really nice keyboards. Can you comment on the surface roughness of the PBT? I find it is different for SP vs feng Vs old/new IBM unicomp PBT and am curious as to how you would characterize yours.
I don't have any other PBT caps to compare it to, unfortunately. The roughness is there, but it is very subtle, like a very gentle powdery texture. It's not something that jumps out at you. I like it better than the completely smooth feel of my Filco Ninja or my G2 Pro TKL with ABS switches. Comparing it to a Cherry doubleshot ESC key from elitekeyboards, the texture is more noticeable on the doubleshot than on the PBTs.
The caps feel really solid and nice, and the sound they make if you bottom them out is substantial, it's not a thin plastic clack for sure.
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For you guys that have one of these is the plate black or gray?
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Are these plate mounted or PCB mounted?
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I'm fairly sure they are plate-mounted.
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if only there was a TKL version.
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For you guys that have one of these is the plate black or gray?
Black.
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I'm fairly sure they are plate-mounted.
:S it says PCB mounted in the description, but I will take your word for it
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It's a mistake. Plus see the posts above. Black painted plate.
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For you guys that have one of these is the plate black or gray?
Black.
Thanks, I just asked because from the photo on mechanicalkeyboards.com I wasn't sure, it almost makes the plate look lighter colored.
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Ducky will likely never make PBT Dye-Subs again. They are the thickest I've ever seen, and they are super nice, but apparently production is an absolute nightmare and very costly. I've been given the clear impression that if Ducky could go back in time, they never would have made the Dye-Subs, so I highly doubt key cap sets or more Dye-Subs will be coming anytime soon. You've been warned :)
Tell those whiners to go talk to IBM and/or Unicomp. PBT doesn't need to be ridiculously thick, but those are the guys who know how to do it, and the dye-sub part is ridiculously cheap. (Seriously!) Besides, trust me, I can show them thicker ABS double-shots - which I'm quite sure cost a small fortune. They can make PBT dye-subs economically. :P
Why yes, I DO want a White/Gray set as a separate orderable SKU, however did you guess?
It's not just the materials that are costly. It's the defects. Apparently, it took many, many runs before they could produce them correctly. The defect rate was just too high.
Ugh, really? I'm guessing that's where the worries about the aliasing on the keycaps comes from. Still, can't be that hard to sort out - otherwise, nobody else would be using it at all. :/
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I wonder if it's just difficult to keep the keys all straight and of perfect shape. Hearing about PBT warping issues. Plus looking at some PBT caps, they come slightly warped from the factory if quality control is not very good.
For example, TimIsABat's review of Leopold FC660M (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45013.msg937629#msg937629) stock PBT keycaps are on the left:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img822/7947/r5d9.jpg)
Look at how warped it is. Plus all the stories of warped spacebars for thick PBT sets, and their brittleness. I'm sure it requires strict quality control, as a factory is not as likely to have a person manually heating each spacebar to straighten it, etc.
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I would be surprised if Ducky did generate a PBT spacebar for these boards.
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I would be surprised if Ducky did generate a PBT spacebar for these boards.
Wait, so the spacebar is ABS?
I think maybe I'll get the grey one with clears. I've never tried clears, but I really lke ergo-clears, so we'll sew where that takes me.
Ofcouse, I still need to make sure I can order it, and then I'll come down to a final decision. I really like greens, but I already have a keyboard with greens (KMAC) so maybe I'll try clears.
Then again, I really lke greens with thick PBT (again KMAC, and my recently-sold QFR) so I know I'll like greens. Hmm.
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One thing I noticed when removing the 'D' key for the photo: these caps are a lot harder to remove and install than the ABS ones. You really have to take your time taking them off, and when putting them on the stems there is a 'POP' when you seat it all the way, almost like there is a ridge on the inside of the stem. Not a big thing but I guess it means swapping these would take longer and more care.
Odd, my experience isn't exactly the same with my white&grey one. Using the included wire puller, the PBT keycaps slide off and on very smoothly but with enough friction that you're sure they'll stay in place without problems, but not much more. I do see what you mean about the pop when seating them, but oddly only some of my keys are like that - the W isn't but the G is. In contrast, the thin ABS WASD keys that were in the box slide on and off with a lot more friction, and I had to push down very hard to get it fully seated.
I would be surprised if Ducky did generate a PBT spacebar for these boards.
I can't say for sure what the spacebar is made of, but the walls look about the same thickness as the other keys, and it has the same silky microtexture as the rest of the keys.
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I would be surprised if Ducky did generate a PBT spacebar for these boards.
Uh, so I guess you're surprised then? Why wouldn't they do all PBT? Mixed is incredibly stupid and not cost effective. The spacebar is PBT.
That said: the issue with warping is one of curing process with PBT which is not the same as ABS. You have to be more careful with it, especially with larger shapes - like spacebars. What causes warping is a lack of understanding of the process, lack of proper curing controls, and trying to treat it like ABS where 'meh whatever close enough' will fly past QC fine.
Ducky isn't likely to have the curing control issue IMHO - they've certainly dealt with worse - so my guess would be it was issues with the dye-sub printing itself. The initial photos turned a lot of folks off because there were obvious issues/defects with the dye-sub printing - heavy aliasing and some blurriness.
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Spacebar feels like PBT to me, and is the same thickness as the other keys. Is anyone brave enough to do an acetone test?
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Spacebar feels like PBT to me, and is the same thickness as the other keys. Is anyone brave enough to do an acetone test?
Cotton swab with a small amount of acetone on the inside of the key, toward the bottom of a wall? Would be safe enough.
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just ordered one of these with clear switches. so excited!! :P
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Just got my 9008G2 Pro Dark Gray PBT with Clears in this morning - ordered it on Wednesday, excellent service as always from mechanicalkeyboards.com.
Pics! (http://imgur.com/a/M5av0)
WOW! that looks sick! mine comes on wednesday!
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Hey I just got this keyboard in the mail today and its got blue led instead of purple did they just switch the keycaps for the DK9008 G2 Pro?
Are you referring the the WASD LEDs? Were they supposed to be purple?
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They are all shown to be purple on promo photos.
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The only G2Pro LEDS I've seen are blue for WASD.
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They are all shown to be purple on promo photos.
Its just distortion by camera. If you take photos with led backlight on the color is distorted as the light burns through the color. Blue will appear like purple. Live you will see them as they are, blue.
G2Pro has leds on WASD + Caps, ScrLck, NumLck. They are always blue.
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I'm referring to official Ducky promo photos. They could have color-corrected them, but instead the color is definitely lavender/purple, which is misleading:
(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_468_DuckyDYE_gw8.jpg)
(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_475_DuckyDYE_bl5.jpg)
(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_468_DuckyDYE_gw7.jpg)
(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_466_DuckyDYE_grey4.jpg)
etc.
Nothing blue about those :)
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I want to buy one of these but I cannot decide if I should get one with clears or greens. I have a Ducky Shine II with mx blues and I love it but I always bottom out. I also have a cm storm quickfire rapid with browns, but I want something with a bigger tactile bump. Can anyone help me? I'm open to any suggestions.
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I want to buy one of these but I cannot decide if I should get one with clears or greens. I have a Ducky Shine II with mx blues and I love it but I always bottom out. I also have a cm storm quickfire rapid with browns, but I want something with a bigger tactile bump. Can anyone help me? I'm open to any suggestions.
Clear is like blue but without the sound, green is like heavier blue.
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I have blues and Clears, and I can't agree with that assessment. Blues don't have such a defined bump and feel lighter. Their click is loud, but Clears have a sort of click-like sound as well--not silent.
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It sounds like you'll be safer with greens, if you want heavier Blues.
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Which has a bigger tactile bump and will prevent me from bottoming out: clears or greens? Also, I'm new here, so can someone tell me how to reply to a comment?
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Which has a bigger tactile bump and will prevent me from bottoming out: clears or greens? Also, I'm new here, so can someone tell me how to reply to a comment?
Clears have a noticeable bump, greens don't have a bump at all. Clears and greens both feel really different from eachother so I'd try to get in on a switch testing group to try those out if you can.
Also, for anyone who did order one of the Ducky boards with the thick dyesub PBT caps... are the space bars PBT also and nice and flat?
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Which has a bigger tactile bump and will prevent me from bottoming out: clears or greens? Also, I'm new here, so can someone tell me how to reply to a comment?
you have to choose here. the clears have a bigger tactile bump while the greens are heavy which will prevent you from bottoming out. greens like the blues already have a pretty big tactile bump so I would go with the greens.
You reply to someone's comment by clicking "quote" or "multi-quote" if you want to reply to more than 1 comment.
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Which has a bigger tactile bump and will prevent me from bottoming out: clears or greens? Also, I'm new here, so can someone tell me how to reply to a comment?
you have to choose here. the clears have a bigger tactile bump while the greens are heavy which will prevent you from bottoming out. greens like the blues already have a pretty big tactile bump so I would go with the greens.
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:O Clears have even bigger bump than blues and greens?!
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Which has a bigger tactile bump and will prevent me from bottoming out: clears or greens? Also, I'm new here, so can someone tell me how to reply to a comment?
you have to choose here. the clears have a bigger tactile bump while the greens are heavy which will prevent you from bottoming out. greens like the blues already have a pretty big tactile bump so I would go with the greens.
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:O Clears have even bigger bump than blues and greens?!
It's a much more defined "longer" bumpy bump. Blues feel like they have a very quick snappy bump. It's very different. I'm typing on Blues now, and I have a few Clear switches I've been playing with, inserting different springs.
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Greens and Clears are hard to compare with each other. It'd be much more accurate to compare Blues with Greens and Browns with Clears. However, where the Greens just have a stiffer spring than Blues (stems are identical but just different colors), the Clears have a stiffer spring than Browns AND a different stem where the tactile bump is much more pronounced which leads to a much more longer and tactile response.
I find that the Clears are hands down the best and easiest switch to not bottom out on because of the very long and pronounced tactility. Because you won't be bottoming out on the switch and lifting off after the tactile bump, I find that typing on the Clears is a lighter experience than Greens. I believe the Greens design makes it so that it's much more satisfying to bottom out on because it's harder to control your press with the stiffer springs and much more shorter tactility. I don't really think that one is better than the other but just what one prefers more in their switch. They are my 2 favorite stock Cherry switches and you can't really go wrong with either.
However, there is the issue where many have experienced quality control with clicky switch keyboards where some of the switches won't click. I've experienced this and it is a very very frustrating issue, especially if it happens with an alpha switch. However, I wouldn't be too scared about this issue because mechanicalkeyboards.com has some awesome customer service, if you happen to be unlucky to receive this issue ;)
Hope this helps.
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Uh, so I guess you're surprised then? Why wouldn't they do all PBT? Mixed is incredibly stupid and not cost effective. The spacebar is PBT.
Considering the SOP of companies providing stock PBT is to use an ABS spacebar...
but I guessed that didn't dawn upon you.
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Uh, so I guess you're surprised then? Why wouldn't they do all PBT? Mixed is incredibly stupid and not cost effective. The spacebar is PBT.
Considering the SOP of companies providing stock PBT is to use an ABS spacebar...
but I guessed that didn't dawn upon you.
Past Ducky PBT keycap sets have always included a PBT space bar.
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Re: blues vs clears, they are very different. Blues have a light feel and a small tactile bump. Clears have both a stiffer coil spring and a longer, larger tactile bump which affects the leaf spring. Both of these contribute to a higher actuation force. Rknize explained it really well in another thread:
Be careful not to conflate switch actuation force with spring force. The Cherry switch has two springs: the coil spring to return the stem and the leaf spring of the switch contacts. The two switches interact in different ways, depending on the design of the stem. That is why red/brown/blue switches have different actuation forces even though they all use the same spring. For tactile switches, the leaf spring increases the actuation force because it has to ride over the bump. There is also friction to take into account from the side-loading introduced byt he leaf spring. For a linear switch, the leaf spring will slightly reduce the actuation force because the ramp of the stem is making the leaf spring help it along.
Anyway, I really, really like these clears. Much more precise feeling than even blues.
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I love the PBT keycaps. Came perfect without a single visual artifact which is more than I can say for the latest Nvidia drivers. :D
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I love the PBT keycaps. Came perfect without a single visual artifact which is more than I can say for the latest Nvidia drivers. :D
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Are those the dark grey caps? They look tanish in the photo.
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Uh, so I guess you're surprised then? Why wouldn't they do all PBT? Mixed is incredibly stupid and not cost effective. The spacebar is PBT.
Considering the SOP of companies providing stock PBT is to use an ABS spacebar...
but I guessed that didn't dawn upon you.
Past Ducky PBT keycap sets have always included a PBT space bar.
Ayup. Exactly this.
But my DK9008G2 is in my hands now, and my gods, this thing is quiet for being greens. The keycaps are that thick. I mean it is borderline silent - it's certainly far quieter than my Model M.
I also grok where the problem with the PBTs are. The windows. My gods. Windows are a nightmare to begin with on ABS - on PBT?! Yeah. They aren't just dye-sub, those windowed keys are double-shot. There's some serious plastic lifting around the window itself - not sure what the correct word for it is. It's like a huge, jaggy sprue as a result of the clear plastic's expansion. (Present on both my examples. Yes, I got two.) But I'm more impressed that they actually managed to DO IT. Seriously. These are true double-shot - even if Ducky didn't mention it.
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I love the PBT keycaps. Came perfect without a single visual artifact which is more than I can say for the latest Nvidia drivers. :D
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Are those the dark grey caps? They look tanish in the photo.
The gray does have some brown in it by the looks of it. Here the Gray Shine Keys on my Shine II, they are truly gray, dark gray.
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Just brought mine! Looking forward to it!
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Just got my mx green board - going to take a little bit to get used to this baby coming from blues.
They are really springy, I like them though.
And these keycaps, so solid compared to my last board.
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The gray does have some brown in it by the looks of it. Here the Gray Shine Keys on my Shine II, they are truly gray, dark gray.
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I'm so glad you took that photo of the gray Shine caps next to white! They appear to be much darker than on promo photos. I thought they were significantly lighter.
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The gray does have some brown in it by the looks of it. Here the Gray Shine Keys on my Shine II, they are truly gray, dark gray.
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I'm so glad you took that photo of the gray Shine caps next to white! They appear to be much darker than on promo photos. I thought they were significantly lighter.
To say I was surprised as to how Dark Gray there were is an understatement. I was like wow. In the dark it has a really nice effect though, they looks obsidian blue. See below. I used the special solid blue keycap with the set as the escape key, nice touch.
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I also grok where the problem with the PBTs are. The windows. My gods. Windows are a nightmare to begin with on ABS - on PBT?! Yeah. They aren't just dye-sub, those windowed keys are double-shot. There's some serious plastic lifting around the window itself - not sure what the correct word for it is. It's like a huge, jaggy sprue as a result of the clear plastic's expansion. (Present on both my examples. Yes, I got two.) But I'm more impressed that they actually managed to DO IT. Seriously. These are true double-shot - even if Ducky didn't mention it.
I don't think they are doubleshot at all. I'm pretty sure they're made by molding a normal key, drilling a hole (note the shallow groove on the inside of the keycap sidewall aligned with the window that's probably caused by the drill bit shaft), and pressing a separate window piece in place from the bottom. This would explain the jagged edges around the window (called burrs, from the drilling process, which are noticeable on my num lock and scroll lock, but not on the caps lock) as well as the variable window depth (the window is slightly recessed on my num lock and scroll lock). Pull one of the keys and flip it over, you'll see a bit of swarf (shavings that result from drilling malleable materials) from drilling the keycap still hanging on around the window.
This could still explain Ducky's problems with the keycaps: if the window piece is larger enough than the hole, the keycap would crack when the window piece is pressed in instead of both pieces deforming slightly and forming a tight interference fit.
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The gray does have some brown in it by the looks of it. Here the Gray Shine Keys on my Shine II, they are truly gray, dark gray.
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I'm so glad you took that photo of the gray Shine caps next to white! They appear to be much darker than on promo photos. I thought they were significantly lighter.
To say I was surprised as to how Dark Gray there were is an understatement. I was like wow. In the dark it has a really nice effect though, they looks obsidian blue. See below. I used the special solid blue keycap with the set as the escape key, nice touch.
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The gray shine caps look nice... I might have to get myself a set eventually. I was never interested before because they looked so light and unappealing in the product pictures.
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Any incoming TKL with blue/grey PBT?
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Any incoming TKL with blue/grey PBT?
These dye sub PBT caps were only made for their full-sized keyboard variety.
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I'd buy one if they had the numpad on the left for better ergonomics.
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just ordered: Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey & Blue Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Red Cherry MX)
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I also grok where the problem with the PBTs are. The windows. My gods. Windows are a nightmare to begin with on ABS - on PBT?! Yeah. They aren't just dye-sub, those windowed keys are double-shot. There's some serious plastic lifting around the window itself - not sure what the correct word for it is. It's like a huge, jaggy sprue as a result of the clear plastic's expansion. (Present on both my examples. Yes, I got two.) But I'm more impressed that they actually managed to DO IT. Seriously. These are true double-shot - even if Ducky didn't mention it.
I don't think they are doubleshot at all. I'm pretty sure they're made by molding a normal key, drilling a hole (note the shallow groove on the inside of the keycap sidewall aligned with the window that's probably caused by the drill bit shaft), and pressing a separate window piece in place from the bottom. This would explain the jagged edges around the window (called burrs, from the drilling process, which are noticeable on my num lock and scroll lock, but not on the caps lock) as well as the variable window depth (the window is slightly recessed on my num lock and scroll lock). Pull one of the keys and flip it over, you'll see a bit of swarf (shavings that result from drilling malleable materials) from drilling the keycap still hanging on around the window.
This could still explain Ducky's problems with the keycaps: if the window piece is larger enough than the hole, the keycap would crack when the window piece is pressed in instead of both pieces deforming slightly and forming a tight interference fit.
Hm, might be right. Looked a little closer and those are obviously drill marks. And drill burrs through the whole channel. But there's no glue marks, and these windows are in there but good. So they had to have heat/shrunk fit the windows. There's no way they're straight inserts. Check the keycap and you'll note significant stepping on the channel - I'd say close to a millimeter in difference, give or take a bit.
So most likely the process is initial mold -> drill -> heat -> inset window -> cure. Or similar. I'm not a molding expert but you get the idea. Otherwise, you'd need a larger lip for the window to get sufficient glue adhesion. If you look at the other windowed keys Ducky is using - specifically on the Zero - they appear to be two-step ABS.
Either way, I'm not particularly thrilled with the results, no. Certainly I applaud Ducky for the effort, and their acceptance that this just wasn't an acceptable level of quality. But it'd be a lot nicer if they'd fix the issue and swap the three keys it affects. :(
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I also grok where the problem with the PBTs are. The windows. My gods. Windows are a nightmare to begin with on ABS - on PBT?! Yeah. They aren't just dye-sub, those windowed keys are double-shot. There's some serious plastic lifting around the window itself - not sure what the correct word for it is. It's like a huge, jaggy sprue as a result of the clear plastic's expansion. (Present on both my examples. Yes, I got two.) But I'm more impressed that they actually managed to DO IT. Seriously. These are true double-shot - even if Ducky didn't mention it.
I don't think they are doubleshot at all. I'm pretty sure they're made by molding a normal key, drilling a hole (note the shallow groove on the inside of the keycap sidewall aligned with the window that's probably caused by the drill bit shaft), and pressing a separate window piece in place from the bottom. This would explain the jagged edges around the window (called burrs, from the drilling process, which are noticeable on my num lock and scroll lock, but not on the caps lock) as well as the variable window depth (the window is slightly recessed on my num lock and scroll lock). Pull one of the keys and flip it over, you'll see a bit of swarf (shavings that result from drilling malleable materials) from drilling the keycap still hanging on around the window.
This could still explain Ducky's problems with the keycaps: if the window piece is larger enough than the hole, the keycap would crack when the window piece is pressed in instead of both pieces deforming slightly and forming a tight interference fit.
Hm, might be right. Looked a little closer and those are obviously drill marks. And drill burrs through the whole channel. But there's no glue marks, and these windows are in there but good. So they had to have heat/shrunk fit the windows. There's no way they're straight inserts. Check the keycap and you'll note significant stepping on the channel - I'd say close to a millimeter in difference, give or take a bit.
So most likely the process is initial mold -> drill -> heat -> inset window -> cure. Or similar. I'm not a molding expert but you get the idea. Otherwise, you'd need a larger lip for the window to get sufficient glue adhesion. If you look at the other windowed keys Ducky is using - specifically on the Zero - they appear to be two-step ABS.
They wouldn't even need to heat anything, just the act of pressing a slightly oversize window piece into the hole in the keycap will generate enough heat to cause localized plastic welding. Actively heating it runs the risk of softening the plastic and causing the keycap to deform during window insertion. It's a pretty common plastic assembly process, and doesn't require anything but a press and a couple support dies.
I agree on the lack of glue - it isn't necessary if the fit is as tight as it is, and we'd see glue squeezing out around the window if it was glued.
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They wouldn't even need to heat anything, just the act of pressing a slightly oversize window piece into the hole in the keycap will generate enough heat to cause localized plastic welding. Actively heating it runs the risk of softening the plastic and causing the keycap to deform during window insertion. It's a pretty common plastic assembly process, and doesn't require anything but a press and a couple support dies.
I agree on the lack of glue - it isn't necessary if the fit is as tight as it is, and we'd see glue squeezing out around the window if it was glued.
Fit isn't that tight - if it was, wouldn't need the drilling and there'd be no lip. Plus there's a much higher risk of cracking. Also remember that both PBT and ABS have very high melt points - getting PBT hot enough to work with somewhat while not introducing substantial deformation isn't too hard. Hot enough to weld PBT and ABS? Uh. Yeah, not without ruining the inset. Not even close. You're talking about a >100C difference in melting points (PBT being higher) which would result in the ABS section basically turning to mush before weld occurs meaning it wouldn't have that uniform diffuser center. Or the clear part is PBT, which would be even MORE impressive.
There's probably adhesive in there, but it's a very small amount and likely on the sides more than the lip.
Also looking at my keyboard a little more closely, I may need to get the calipers out. Probably an optical illusion or the way the legends were printed, but the LED openings look off-center.
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I can't speak with that much authority, as I don't have one, but I would imagine that the glass transition temperature to be more of a deciding factor than the melt point (unless that's what you are talking about). I would expect these to be just press fit. You don't need to rely on welding and adhesives if friction will do the job. If the hole and peg diameters are as different as you say, then you can rely on friction alone to protect the peg from falling out.
The types of manufacturing processes you are describing would mean the windowed keycaps would cost several dollars alone, which I doubt ducky would go for in a product of this price.
Still, without seeing it firsthand, I can't make any definitive claims.
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I can't speak with that much authority, as I don't have one, but I would imagine that the glass transition temperature to be more of a deciding factor than the melt point (unless that's what you are talking about). I would expect these to be just press fit. You don't need to rely on welding and adhesives if friction will do the job. If the hole and peg diameters are as different as you say, then you can rely on friction alone to protect the peg from falling out.
The types of manufacturing processes you are describing would mean the windowed keycaps would cost several dollars alone, which I doubt ducky would go for in a product of this price.
Still, without seeing it firsthand, I can't make any definitive claims.
Well remember that there's two different sets of temperatures. ABS has a glass transition point of 105C but no actual melting point, whereas PBT has a glass transition point of 223C+ but can actually be damaged by excessive heat. (ABS can't be. It just stays melted.) These are definitely not friction fit though - I've worked a lot with friction fit parts. The lens is too thin at the viewing point and for the sides to be friction fit - the squeeze would cause deformation and cracking. Plus no requirement for a lip on the underside. So it's definitely got some form of adhesive. (Plus friction fit they would normally go in from the top instead of from the bottom for cleaner look.)
I think the hole/peg diameter difference is a misunderstanding - the drilling process has obvious stepping, but the hole and peg diameters appear to be the exact same. My guess would be that they use automated drilling on completed keycaps, which are then cooled (silly me forgot PBT expands/contracts omnidirectionally) to get the lens in. Or I could be completely wrong! I'm just guessing here, but the lip is definitely more than just a stop point.
Hey ShakeR, how about you get Ducky to put together a video showing us their manufacturing process? :D
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I love the PBT keycaps. Came perfect without a single visual artifact which is more than I can say for the latest Nvidia drivers. :D
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Are those the dark grey caps? They look tanish in the photo.
The gray does have some brown in it by the looks of it. Here the Gray Shine Keys on my Shine II, they are truly gray, dark gray.
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Wow, that's pretty.
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Ok, now that I have one of these on my desk, I have to say that you either have bionic eyes or you can't see any spalls or distortion in the keycap windows.
Life-size picture:
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Can you see any issues here?
Seriously. They are really nice little lenses, and if you get really close, you can even see little tiny Fresnel circles in the lens.
So here is a pro tip: don't type while wearing a microscope strapped to your head!
(http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00VLTQaEtzKpkY/3W-LED-Medical-Head-Light-for-Microscope-HL8000-.jpg)
Google "microscope on head". First page.
Thanks for bringing these in, MK!
- Ron | samwisekoi
This message typed on a Ducky Pro with MX Greens!
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Haha, awesome.
I will admit I do not have the technical proficiency that many on this forum do so maybe I'm missing something, but I honestly couldn't find any issues with caps that I looked at. They looked / felt amazing to me.
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My numlock and scrolllock have a little bit of spurs on the keys past the window, but it's really not a big deal. I can scratch/sand them off if I'm really anal.
The LEDs are too bright though, that would be my only complaint, not a big deal though.
This keyboard is really solid.
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Here is a weird one...
New Ducky Pro with Greens and All-Gray PBT keycaps. Nice board. Decided to go 24 hours before replacing any keycaps. Did that.
This afternoon, I replaced the alphas with Blue-on-White Imsto PBT alphas from the Lysol GB. They look quite nice surrounded by the Gray Ducky keycaps. Except...
The Imsto spacebar sticks on the Cherry-style stabilizers. No part of the exterior of the spacebar touches any other key or the case, but if the spacebar is seated at all firmly it sticks into the stabs.
There is no visible difference in the stems except that the taller OEM stems are, well, taller. I can't spend any more time on this tonight, but tomorrow I will try other spacebars and take some photos.
TL;DR imsto PBT spacebar sticks on Ducky stabilizers.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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No problem so far for my board... expect one "non-clicky" right arrow key
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Here is a weird one...
New Ducky Pro with Greens and All-Gray PBT keycaps. Nice board. Decided to go 24 hours before replacing any keycaps. Did that.
This afternoon, I replaced the alphas with Blue-on-White Imsto PBT alphas from the Lysol GB. They look quite nice surrounded by the Gray Ducky keycaps. Except...
The Imsto spacebar sticks on the Cherry-style stabilizers. No part of the exterior of the spacebar touches any other key or the case, but if the spacebar is seated at all firmly it sticks into the stabs.
There is no visible difference in the stems except that the taller OEM stems are, well, taller. I can't spend any more time on this tonight, but tomorrow I will try other spacebars and take some photos.
TL;DR imsto PBT spacebar sticks on Ducky stabilizers.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Ron, it's not just the IMSTOs. My stock Ducky spacebar has quickly developed a tell-tale stabilizer rub. I thought it was from me hitting too far off-center on the spacebar - nope. There is definitely stabilizer rub going on in there. I've got too much to get done right now though so I can't pop it off to see what's up. It was also pretty pronounced on the enter key but that's worn in. (And I know I hit that one off-center.) Also a very 'thuddy' action on the numpad plus key that feels like something interfering with the stabilizer.
Your guess is as good as mine as to why those keys at the moment, though. Shift keys and backspace are just fine, as is numpad enter. I did pop enter and couldn't find a thing off about it. :/
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Here is a weird one...
New Ducky Pro with Greens and All-Gray PBT keycaps. Nice board. Decided to go 24 hours before replacing any keycaps. Did that.
This afternoon, I replaced the alphas with Blue-on-White Imsto PBT alphas from the Lysol GB. They look quite nice surrounded by the Gray Ducky keycaps. Except...
The Imsto spacebar sticks on the Cherry-style stabilizers. No part of the exterior of the spacebar touches any other key or the case, but if the spacebar is seated at all firmly it sticks into the stabs.
There is no visible difference in the stems except that the taller OEM stems are, well, taller. I can't spend any more time on this tonight, but tomorrow I will try other spacebars and take some photos.
TL;DR imsto PBT spacebar sticks on Ducky stabilizers.
- Ron | samwisekoi
With my shine 2 I had that problem with 2 different space bars from the DSA retro set.
However I am currently using thick imsto pbt on it just fine.
One would think ducky boards wouldn't have issues like these.
I was considering getting one of these new 'pro' boards but will wait to see others experiences.
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Ordered a Pro with MX Clears, all Gray keycaps, the only choice. I love MX Browns and just had to own one of these Pro boards with Clears so I broke down.
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The Clears are awesome. I do prefer them over the Browns. Just the right level of force for me. I always felt that the Browns could be a bit stiffer. They are nice and tight and they make lower noise than the Browns, must be the nature of the Clears. But, not as ridiculously tough as the Grays. I tried a few of the Pro PBT keycaps on a Shine II with MX Browns and didn't notice much of a difference in the sound from the Shine II keycaps.
Switched out the Blue PBT keycaps from my other Pro board with MX Blues and now I have this Pro with MX Clears with the Blue PBT keycaps I love so much. Gonna hold onto the Pro MX Blue with all Gray keycaps as a keepsake.
One other thing to note, the fit on the Clears switch is much tighter, the cross on the switch is thicker. Pulling the Blue PBT off the Pro MX Blue switches was very easy. Meaninwhile, pulling the Gray PBT off the Pro MX Clear switches took much more force. Takes more force to pop it on as well.
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Oh man, after typing on my MX Reds (my favorite switch for the most part), I now find them too light because I'm bottoming out too hard.
So, I bit the bullet and just ordered the MX Dark Grey keyboard. I'll have to see if this works for me, although I don't know if the Blacks are a big enough jump in stiffness. I'll post a review after I get to use it of course. Has anyone else bought the Dark Grey's?
I still wish Ducky would put these unique keycaps in more backlit Shine versions.
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Blacks are noticeably stiffer than Reds. You are brave for trying Grays :) I think most people would find them too stiff.
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Oh man, after typing on my MX Reds (my favorite switch for the most part), I now find them too light because I'm bottoming out too hard.
So, I bit the bullet and just ordered the MX Dark Grey keyboard. I'll have to see if this works for me, although I don't know if the Blacks are a big enough jump in stiffness. I'll post a review after I get to use it of course. Has anyone else bought the Dark Grey's?
I still wish Ducky would put these unique keycaps in more backlit Shine versions.
Wow! Reds to Dark Greys! One extreme to the other. I like your guts Tempest :)
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Oh man, after typing on my MX Reds (my favorite switch for the most part), I now find them too light because I'm bottoming out too hard.
So, I bit the bullet and just ordered the MX Dark Grey keyboard. I'll have to see if this works for me, although I don't know if the Blacks are a big enough jump in stiffness. I'll post a review after I get to use it of course. Has anyone else bought the Dark Grey's?
I still wish Ducky would put these unique keycaps in more backlit Shine versions.
I use the Dark Grey Ducky as my daily driver (typing this post on it, f'instance...). It is a bit stiff, I find I've adopted a different typing style just for this one board. I'm going to try the Ducky w/Clears next, it's just hard to put this one on the shelf. :-\
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Oh man, after typing on my MX Reds (my favorite switch for the most part), I now find them too light because I'm bottoming out too hard.
So, I bit the bullet and just ordered the MX Dark Grey keyboard. I'll have to see if this works for me, although I don't know if the Blacks are a big enough jump in stiffness. I'll post a review after I get to use it of course. Has anyone else bought the Dark Grey's?
I still wish Ducky would put these unique keycaps in more backlit Shine versions.
I use the Dark Grey Ducky as my daily driver (typing this post on it, f'instance...). It is a bit stiff, I find I've adopted a different typing style just for this one board. I'm going to try the Ducky w/Clears next, it's just hard to put this one on the shelf. :-\
I'll be curious to see how you think the two compare.
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Oh man, after typing on my MX Reds (my favorite switch for the most part), I now find them too light because I'm bottoming out too hard.
So, I bit the bullet and just ordered the MX Dark Grey keyboard. I'll have to see if this works for me, although I don't know if the Blacks are a big enough jump in stiffness. I'll post a review after I get to use it of course. Has anyone else bought the Dark Grey's?
I still wish Ducky would put these unique keycaps in more backlit Shine versions.
I use the Dark Grey Ducky as my daily driver (typing this post on it, f'instance...). It is a bit stiff, I find I've adopted a different typing style just for this one board. I'm going to try the Ducky w/Clears next, it's just hard to put this one on the shelf. :-\
With Clears, coming from Browns for the most part, I had to use more aggressive typing style :D I can only imagine the Dark Greys, or Greens for that matter at 80g. If it's the the Ducky Pro Dye-Sub you ordered, you'll love the feel of the keycaps. I have both an MX Blue and Clears and they are the best feeling keycaps I've typed on. Now, if I can only get a Shine 3 in MX Clears with Dye-Sub shine keycaps.........
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Well, I picked up the shipment a little while ago, and ... it's the wrong keyboard.
They shipped my a Ducky Zero with Blue MX switches. Not even close. Just emailed them back, so I'll have to wait until next week I guess before I get my replacement.
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
I don't think they'll be getting any more of those...not any time soon. You can get a Deck Ice Legend for $190.00 though, very nice board.
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
Last I heard from Ducky they regretted ever making Dye-Sub PBTs, so I'm not sure how likely they are to make anymore. Certainly no ETA given to date.
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
Last I heard from Ducky they regretted ever making Dye-Sub PBTs, so I'm not sure how likely they are to make anymore. Certainly no ETA given to date.
I'm glad they decided to give it a go. Best feeling keycaps I've typed on yet. Really digging the Pro2 with MX Clears.
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
Last I heard from Ducky they regretted ever making Dye-Sub PBTs, so I'm not sure how likely they are to make anymore. Certainly no ETA given to date.
It should be a crime that they gave up so easily. If the major issue they are having is in doing dyesub backlit WASD, capslock, numlock, scrolllock - then get rid of them! Make a G3 Pro and move those LED's off the keys.
I'd like to think of Ducky as the heavy lifter - the trend setter; their efforts force everyone else to improve very much like the effects of the Japanese on the automotive industry.
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
Last I heard from Ducky they regretted ever making Dye-Sub PBTs, so I'm not sure how likely they are to make anymore. Certainly no ETA given to date.
It should be a crime that they gave up so easily. If the major issue they are having is in doing dyesub backlit WASD, capslock, numlock, scrolllock - then get rid of them! Make a G3 Pro and move those LED's off the keys.
I'd like to think of Ducky as the heavy lifter - the trend setter; their efforts force everyone else to improve very much like the effects of the Japanese on the automotive industry.
I agree completely, but it's never going to happen... Too expensive to retool for a low volume item.
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Long shot but is anyone willing to split a ducky with dyesubs? I want the dyesubs, you want the keyboard. Anyone? In particular I want the light grey and white version. OR id be down for the blue/dark grey version. You can choose the switches andd we can work out details later if anyone bites. PM me if you do so I don't clog this thread. Thanks.
For clarity:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=468
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=472
I want either of these two. Black/blue/brown/red switches are available.
Edit: and thanks for your support mashby :)
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Long shot but is anyone willing to split a ducky with dyesubs? I want the dyesubs, you want the keyboard. Anyone? In particular I want the light grey and white version. OR id be down for the blue/dark grey version. You can choose the switches andd we can work out details later if anyone bites. PM me if you do so I don't clog this thread. Thanks.
The Ducky dyesubs are really, really nice. I too wish you could buy them on their own. I keep hoping they'll release them as a separate add-on later, but I wish you luck finding someone to split it with you. It's a good idea.
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Will you be getting any more of these:
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Clear Cherry MX)
(Sorry if this has been asked and answered before... Can't find such.)
Last I heard from Ducky they regretted ever making Dye-Sub PBTs, so I'm not sure how likely they are to make anymore. Certainly no ETA given to date.
It should be a crime that they gave up so easily. If the major issue they are having is in doing dyesub backlit WASD, capslock, numlock, scrolllock - then get rid of them! Make a G3 Pro and move those LED's off the keys.
I'd like to think of Ducky as the heavy lifter - the trend setter; their efforts force everyone else to improve very much like the effects of the Japanese on the automotive industry.
None of the dye-subs are backlit. The ones that are lit have a see through window, a punched/drilled hole with a clear plastic insert. So, backlit characters are a non-issue.
The solid Ducky board combined with these solid keys produce a tactile feedback that is just sweet. I have the board in MX Blue and Clears. The Pro2 with MX Blues are the best experience on Blues that I've had. The difference in the keycaps is telling; they are super-solid. I got that particular keyboard with the gray+blue keycaps. The blue keycaps are gorgeous. The Clears are something else, the resistance and feedback are just right.....it's what you are looking for or expecting when you type with Browns. My next board will be the Pro2 in MX Brown with the white+light gray keycaps so I'll have a total of three ;D They really missed the boat on the colors....they should of had MX Greens and MX Clears available with the gray+blue keycaps. I'd get that MX Green version as well but the keycap colors are all solid dark gray so meh on that. Splitting them would be easy to do if the colored options were consistent for all the switch types.
If they could have somehow made these keycaps backlit I would of paid YOTS pricing for a board like that.
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Not to cause any undue stress but MK only has 1 MX Brown in Blue/Gray in stock :D
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Krylon Fusion for the win! It came it out with a nice finish.
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^ That desk knows what it's like to have some seriously nice keyboard hardware rest upon it.
Just got an email from Ducky and it looks like they may be offering Dye Subs again!
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^ That desk knows what it's like to have some seriously nice keyboard hardware rest upon it.
Just got an email from Ducky and it looks like they may be offering Dye Subs again!
Separate keycap sets too? One can always hope...