Post by: olivia on Sat, 30 November 2019, 17:38:25
https://oliviaplus.plus (https://oliviaplus.plus)
(https://www.oliviaplus.plus/renders/0.jpg)
After much waiting, I'm excited to announce that Olivia++ is starting GB on Dec 1st! The "++" in Olivia++ is a shorthand used in programming to indicate incrementing by 1. This not only applies to this being the second round of the keyset being offered, but also the fact that we have a Dark Alternative set for those interested in a monotone version.
Colors
I will be using the same colors that were used in the first run.
RAL 040 80 20
RAL 000 20 00
GMK CP
Kits
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The base kit using the classic R1 colorway.
(https://i.imgur.com/WSI6PeR.jpg)
The base kit using the new monocolor version of the colorway.
(https://i.imgur.com/TQytRCA.jpg)
A small kit filled with "<2" in every size you desire.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y13ZWuP.jpg)
By popular demand, this kit has been reworked to support alpha color spacebars for the Alice and similar layouts. This kit provides compatibility with the majority of 40% layouts.
(https://i.imgur.com/8nB3TMF.jpg)
This kit provides basic compatibility for ISO keyboards.
(https://i.imgur.com/O4ohtqo.jpg)
All the accent spacebars, in every size possible
(https://i.imgur.com/1EvHU8P.jpg)
The perfect kit to ordain your keyboard with a little bit more personality.
Collaborations
(https://www.oliviaplus.plus/one-more-thing/hihihi-front.png)
For the first time ever, I'm working with RAMA.WORKS to offer a PVD Rose Enter keycap with the same design as the Olive "hihihi" keycap.
(https://www.oliviaplus.plus/one-more-thing/deskmat.png)
Two Olivia++ deskpads for light and dark are offered to accompany your keyset.
Vendors & Pricing
I am happy to be working with NovelKeys, Mykeyboard, iLuMKB, Zfrontier, and Daily Clack as the vendor/proxies.
NA: NovelKeys (https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/gmk-oliviaplusplus-gb)
Light: $110
Dark: $110
Novelties: $20
Extension: $45
ISO: $26
Spacebar: $20
Hihihi: $34
Deskpads: $14
EU: Mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/keycaps/gmk_105/)
Light: 119
Dark: 119
Novelties: 21
Extension: 49
ISO: 29
Spacebar: 22
Hihihi: 36
Deskpads: 20
Australia (AUD): Dailyclack.com (https://dailyclack.com/collections/group-buys/products/gmk-olivia/)
Light: $179
Dark: $179
Novelties: $33
Extension: $68
ISO: $42
Spacebar: $23
Hihihi: $55
Deskpads: $24
Singapore - Ilumkb.com (https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/group-buy-olivia)
Light: $162 SGD
Dark: $162 SGD
Novelties: $30 SGD
Extension: $67 SGD
ISO: $39 SGD
Spacebar: $29 SGD
Hihihi: $50 SGD
Deskpads: $26
China: Zfrontier.com (https://www.zfrontier.com/m/5685)
Light: ₯818/$130
Dark: ₯818/$130
Novelties: ₯102/$15
Extension: ₯326/$49
ISO: ₯187/$27
Spacebar: ₯145/$21
Hihihi: ₯244/$36
Deskpads: ₯120/$19
FAQ
Quote
Could you add X key, or X kit to kit Y?
While I would ideally add every possible key for every possible layout, a balance has to be struck between the affordability for the buyer & the compatibility for each dollar spent. Adding to that with the complexity of individual set MOQs, the current offering is my best attempt at providing the most at the least for you all. I apologize if what is currently offered doesn't match with the keys you need :(
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Why 1.5u Delete instead of Backspace?
Because of the size of 1.5u, there are only a few different options of legends + icon design. None of them looked better than Delete to me. Since that is also the legend on the HHKB where the 1.5u placement is inspired from, I am happy with that decision.
Special Thanks
Many thanks to Zambumon, RAMA Team, and the awesome vendors who will be listing it!
More pictures!
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Post by: nephlock on Sun, 01 December 2019, 17:08:38
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 01 December 2019, 17:10:48
I mean emilia
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 01 December 2019, 17:11:55
Post by: martensson on Sun, 01 December 2019, 17:15:01
Glad either case to see a R2 of Olivia, there was clearly a high demand for it!
Post by: vision-quest on Sun, 01 December 2019, 17:41:10
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:12:53
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:35:39
No Extras Included. Most proxies updated
Light Core: 501
Dark Core: 222
Novelties: 95
Extension: 115
ISO: 24
Spacebars: 302
Hihihi: 91
If the numbers I have are correct for Oblivion, we may beat all of Oblivions day 1 numbers. Oblivion had 4 base kits that sold a total of 739 on day one. We are currently at 723 between light and dark. With 4 1/2 hours left, and at the rate the base kits have been selling, I believe we will beat that record. This is truly amazing.
We are so thankful for everyone who joined on day 1 and to those who will join.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:37:11
Post by: o3okevin on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:49:45
Post by: rora on Sun, 01 December 2019, 18:56:30
It is not even officially the end of day one for NovelKeys (still have 4 1/2 hours) but I wanted to share some early day one numbers cause this is crazy.
No Extras Included. Most proxies updated
Light Core: 501
Dark Core: 222
Novelties: 95
Extension: 115
ISO: 24
Spacebars: 302
Hihihi: 91
If the numbers I have are correct for Oblivion, we may beat all of Oblivions day 1 numbers. Oblivion had 4 base kits that sold a total of 739 on day one. We are currently at 723 between light and dark. With 4 1/2 hours left, and at the rate the base kits have been selling, I believe we will beat that record. This is truly amazing.
We are so thankful for everyone who joined on day 1 and to those who will join.
Great Job : )
Post by: olivia on Sun, 01 December 2019, 19:08:04
I love olivia
I mean emilia
<2 you all.
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 01 December 2019, 19:42:00
More
It is not even officially the end of day one for NovelKeys (still have 4 1/2 hours) but I wanted to share some early day one numbers cause this is crazy.
No Extras Included. Most proxies updated
Light Core: 501
Dark Core: 222
Novelties: 95
Extension: 115
ISO: 24
Spacebars: 302
Hihihi: 91
If the numbers I have are correct for Oblivion, we may beat all of Oblivions day 1 numbers. Oblivion had 4 base kits that sold a total of 739 on day one. We are currently at 723 between light and dark. With 4 1/2 hours left, and at the rate the base kits have been selling, I believe we will beat that record. This is truly amazing.
We are so thankful for everyone who joined on day 1 and to those who will join.
(https://i.imgur.com/d0qJIE7.png)
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 01 December 2019, 19:49:22
Light core - 517 and dark core - 229 for a total of 746. I will come back tomorrow with official first day numbers.
Post by: fadedcolorz on Sun, 01 December 2019, 19:50:23
Post by: blakstealth on Sun, 01 December 2019, 19:55:59
Post by: krey on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:07:17
Post by: 8six753o9 on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:29:52
does both base kits cover 7u spacebars and other keys required for a m60a seq 2 rama keyboard?Yes.
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:33:17
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:35:33
On NovelKeys (keep up the great work Mike) ETA on the deskmat is March 2020 while the caps is on April 2020. If I bundle both in one order, will the deskmat just be held until the caps are ready to be shipped or will it ship separately?
I believe it's set up so that you can't have both in your cart.
By that theory, you will have to purchase it separately.
Post by: Ultimatum on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:52:05
Post by: cattharsis on Sun, 01 December 2019, 20:58:35
Thanks!
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Sun, 01 December 2019, 21:07:32
I believe it's set up so that you can't have both in your cart.Yup, just checked and you are correct. Thanks ;D
By that theory, you will have to purchase it separately.
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 01 December 2019, 21:35:05
Post by: stevenT on Sun, 01 December 2019, 21:41:38
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 01 December 2019, 22:36:14
Post by: suparnemo on Sun, 01 December 2019, 23:23:57
Post by: Ultimatum on Sun, 01 December 2019, 23:36:01
Post by: jedidood on Sun, 01 December 2019, 23:57:41
Post by: PotatoTM on Mon, 02 December 2019, 00:13:48
Post by: d00deitsnik on Mon, 02 December 2019, 01:03:31
Post by: stevenT on Mon, 02 December 2019, 01:08:32
need a couple weeks to get my wallet ready, anyone know if there are a limited quantity for the GB?it is unlimited, buy as many as you can. :thumb:
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 02 December 2019, 01:22:55
Core Light: 528
Core Dark: 236
Novelties: 99
Extension: 122
ISO UK: 27
Spacebars: 316
hihihi: 98
Post by: flying1911 on Mon, 02 December 2019, 04:12:07
I believe it's set up so that you can't have both in your cart.Yup, just checked and you are correct. Thanks ;D
By that theory, you will have to purchase it separately.
Yes. Far as I know traditional novelkeys 115$ base kits are off of a 500 MOQ.
Guys, don't worry about MOQs. This will not only hit all kit MOQs, it will break all sorts of records.
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 02 December 2019, 06:19:34
Just curious - if I ordered the dark core kit and if it doesnt hit MOQ (looks unlikely), would I get the chance to order the light kit?
Thanks!
This won't be a worry. Dark core will get produced.
New numbers!
Some proxies are outdated, but this is basically a day one recap.
Core Light: 605
Core Dark: 267
Novelties: 109
Extension: 138
ISO UK: 30
Spacebars: 355
hihihi: 108
Total of 872 base kits in one day.
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 02 December 2019, 09:47:10
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 02 December 2019, 10:00:16
Post by: dom on Mon, 02 December 2019, 10:06:23
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 02 December 2019, 10:17:57
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 02 December 2019, 10:49:39
I have no clue how gmk does their production or how many machines they have, but will Olivia++ back them up?
They are increasing their production line in January, so I don't think this will back them up any.
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 02 December 2019, 11:08:51
I have no clue how gmk does their production or how many machines they have, but will Olivia++ back them up?
They are increasing their production line in January, so I don't think this will back them up any.
Solid! That's great to hear.
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 02 December 2019, 11:09:43
Will we ever see a R2 SA Olivia? Or even in different profile such as KAT?
Post by: olivia on Mon, 02 December 2019, 11:36:29
Will definitely pickup a set before the GB ends.
Will we ever see a R2 SA Olivia? Or even in different profile such as KAT?
I have no current plans on R2 SA. Other profiles in the future however...
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 02 December 2019, 11:43:34
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 02 December 2019, 11:56:54
Will definitely pickup a set before the GB ends.
Will we ever see a R2 SA Olivia? Or even in different profile such as KAT?
I have no current plans on R2 SA. Other profiles in the future however...
Oof, the future is bright then. <2
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 02 December 2019, 12:38:24
Some proxies are outdated, but this is basically a day one recap.MoreCore Light: 605
Core Dark: 267
Novelties: 109
Extension: 138
ISO UK: 30
Spacebars: 355
hihihi: 108
Total of 872 base kits in one day.[/size]
(https://i.imgur.com/cSWezD1.png)
Post by: darko on Mon, 02 December 2019, 12:58:41
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Post by: Rayndalf on Mon, 02 December 2019, 13:17:03
Post by: ilemondrop on Mon, 02 December 2019, 14:36:57
Post by: suparnemo on Mon, 02 December 2019, 15:34:33
Definitely buying one kit, but debating on buying two since I love the colour so much. Anyone else buying more than one?
I got two lights + 1 dark. I've seen several people buying more than one.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 02 December 2019, 16:12:13
Lot's of people are investing in more kits for resell after the GB endsDefinitely buying one kit, but debating on buying two since I love the colour so much. Anyone else buying more than one?
I got two lights + 1 dark. I've seen several people buying more than one.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 02 December 2019, 16:15:35
Post by: martensson on Mon, 02 December 2019, 17:34:41
Lot's of people are investing in more kits for resell after the GB endsDefinitely buying one kit, but debating on buying two since I love the colour so much. Anyone else buying more than one?
I got two lights + 1 dark. I've seen several people buying more than one.
Shouldn't the resell value be pretty low with so many kits in circulation after this GB is over? Sets like Serika and MoDo are expensive because there are high demand and low supply in comparison. I feel that r/mm will be flooded with Olivias next summer.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 02 December 2019, 17:47:22
I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.Lot's of people are investing in more kits for resell after the GB endsDefinitely buying one kit, but debating on buying two since I love the colour so much. Anyone else buying more than one?
I got two lights + 1 dark. I've seen several people buying more than one.
Shouldn't the resell value be pretty low with so many kits in circulation after this GB is over? Sets like Serika and MoDo are expensive because there are high demand and low supply in comparison. I feel that r/mm will be flooded with Olivias next summer.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 02 December 2019, 18:39:43
I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.
Beyond me why anyone would speculate keycap sets but people will do what people will do. I guess they can sit on their $500 worth of base kits for another year and a half after 2500 are sold during GB to make 75 bucks of profit, seems like a sick idea and a great use of one's money.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 02 December 2019, 19:25:25
I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.
Beyond me why anyone would speculate keycap sets but people will do what people will do. I guess they can sit on their $500 worth of base kits for another year and a half after 2500 are sold during GB to make 75 bucks of profit, seems like a sick idea and a great use of one's money.
There's going to be minimal markup on the aftermarket. So many folks are going to buy extras and vendors are going to load up.
If anyone is looking to get rich off flipping, this is not the set to do it.
Post by: suparnemo on Mon, 02 December 2019, 20:45:53
I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.
Beyond me why anyone would speculate keycap sets but people will do what people will do. I guess they can sit on their $500 worth of base kits for another year and a half after 2500 are sold during GB to make 75 bucks of profit, seems like a sick idea and a great use of one's money.
There's going to be minimal markup on the aftermarket. So many folks are going to buy extras and vendors are going to load up.
If anyone is looking to get rich off flipping, this is not the set to do it.
I'm just getting extra's for multiple boards and when they eventually get shiny :p
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 02 December 2019, 22:08:56
Nobody gets rich off of flipping. It's people squeezing small profits. Low ball, 10 sets will make you ~500 bucks instead of the 1000-1500 r1 would have made before r2 was announced. 1.5x base price might not be 4x, but its still greater than 1.I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.
Beyond me why anyone would speculate keycap sets but people will do what people will do. I guess they can sit on their $500 worth of base kits for another year and a half after 2500 are sold during GB to make 75 bucks of profit, seems like a sick idea and a great use of one's money.
There's going to be minimal markup on the aftermarket. So many folks are going to buy extras and vendors are going to load up.
If anyone is looking to get rich off flipping, this is not the set to do it.
Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 02 December 2019, 22:55:46
Everything is in place but one thing is missing: Artisan R1 :rolleyes:
Post by: Rayndalf on Tue, 03 December 2019, 00:26:33
Plenty of 'rare' sets don't appreciate, you can still buy TA90 extras from Zfrontier (I did, its a great set, but it hasn't appreciated) or a lightly used set of GMK Monkey for very close to groupbuy prices.
Striker had a $100 base kit that sells at $150(?) now and this set has better compatibility at a similar price point, so the aftermarket will be strong (probably $175+ so 60% profit in 4 months... I guess GMK comfortably beats the stockmarket?)
Post by: SUB01 on Tue, 03 December 2019, 00:49:34
edit: also have not seen a puddsy ****post yet on this thread which is a plus in my book LOL.
Post by: Shifu on Tue, 03 December 2019, 01:39:27
Post by: itsmartin on Tue, 03 December 2019, 01:48:15
Are the 1.75 shift keys on both light and dark bases? I couldn't tell based on the renders.
The Shift key down near the arrows looks like a 1.75U shift in both renders.
Post by: Shifu on Tue, 03 December 2019, 02:53:57
Post by: mgsickler on Tue, 03 December 2019, 05:30:12
Core Light: 711
Core Dark: 314
Novelties: 129
Extension: 156
ISO UK: 35
Spacebars: 427
hihihi: 128
Over 1,000 base kits in 2 days!
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 03 December 2019, 05:38:41
GMK Bento and Laser both sold very well and continued to be desirable on the second hand market (not Serika or MoDo levels of markup, but still sell within 12 hours at 'market' price).
Plenty of 'rare' sets don't appreciate, you can still buy TA90 extras from Zfrontier (I did, its a great set, but it hasn't appreciated) or a lightly used set of GMK Monkey for very close to groupbuy prices.
Striker had a $100 base kit that sells at $150(?) now and this set has better compatibility at a similar price point, so the aftermarket will be strong (probably $175+ so 60% profit in 4 months... I guess GMK comfortably beats the stockmarket?)
This set has already outsold Bento on Day 2.
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Tue, 03 December 2019, 07:24:24
I'm surprised nobody has made that joke yet.
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 03 December 2019, 08:19:49
Day 2 numbers (some proxies outdated):
Core Light: 711
Core Dark: 314
Novelties: 129
Extension: 156
ISO UK: 35
Spacebars: 427
hihihi: 128
Over 1,000 base kits in 2 days!
What are some other sets do you think can reach those numbers?
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 03 December 2019, 10:11:52
Nobody gets rich off of flipping. It's people squeezing small profits. Low ball, 10 sets will make you ~500 bucks instead of the 1000-1500 r1 would have made before r2 was announced. 1.5x base price might not be 4x, but its still greater than 1.I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.
Beyond me why anyone would speculate keycap sets but people will do what people will do. I guess they can sit on their $500 worth of base kits for another year and a half after 2500 are sold during GB to make 75 bucks of profit, seems like a sick idea and a great use of one's money.
There's going to be minimal markup on the aftermarket. So many folks are going to buy extras and vendors are going to load up.
If anyone is looking to get rich off flipping, this is not the set to do it.
Buying GMK sets to resell is a good thing in my opinion. The more people do it, the more vendors make on the GB, the lower the aftermarket price actually gets, and the more sets actually get made for people to own and enjoy. And resellers make a premium for their risk/time/money investment. Win-win as far as I can tell, as long as it's a low-risk GB from a trusted designer like Olivia and trusted vendor(s) like Novelkeys.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 03 December 2019, 10:20:55
I 100% agree with this statement. It's literally just reserving spots for new people who get into the hobby after the run, or for people who can't afford it now that will be able to later. I don't personally mess around with reselling, but I encourage everyone who has the time and ability for reselling to do so.Nobody gets rich off of flipping. It's people squeezing small profits. Low ball, 10 sets will make you ~500 bucks instead of the 1000-1500 r1 would have made before r2 was announced. 1.5x base price might not be 4x, but its still greater than 1.I doubt resell value will be anywhere near r1, but it'll absolutely still be there.
Beyond me why anyone would speculate keycap sets but people will do what people will do. I guess they can sit on their $500 worth of base kits for another year and a half after 2500 are sold during GB to make 75 bucks of profit, seems like a sick idea and a great use of one's money.
There's going to be minimal markup on the aftermarket. So many folks are going to buy extras and vendors are going to load up.
If anyone is looking to get rich off flipping, this is not the set to do it.
Buying GMK sets to resell is a good thing in my opinion. The more people do it, the more vendors make on the GB, the lower the aftermarket price actually gets, and the more sets actually get made for people to own and enjoy. And resellers make a premium for their risk/time/money investment. Win-win as far as I can tell, as long as it's a low-risk GB from a trusted designer like Olivia and trusted vendor(s) like Novelkeys.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 03 December 2019, 11:23:12
Buying GMK sets to resell is a good thing in my opinion. The more people do it, the more vendors make on the GB, the lower the aftermarket price actually gets, and the more sets actually get made for people to own and enjoy. And resellers make a premium for their risk/time/money investment. Win-win as far as I can tell, as long as it's a low-risk GB from a trusted designer like Olivia and trusted vendor(s) like Novelkeys.
What you're implying is basically charity. I agree with the entirety of your listed benefits for it when it comes to helping vendors and the community, I just think it's ridiculous and a complete waste of money for anyone that isn't doing it purely out of the kindness of their heart/for sport - portraying it as an amazing thing that should be commended can be quite deceiving in my opinion, though I'm sure that's not your intent, because it may encourage people to think they're gonna invest their money and receive meaningful return on it which they more than likely will not (because not every set is Serika/Olivia r1). If people wanna spend $600 (shipping etc) on 5 base kits to resell them in 6 months for $700 (140 a kit which I think is actually too optimistic) then that's their prerogative but let's not pretend like it's definitely a fantastic idea for 99.9% of the community.
If you're gonna speculate please do not do it with plastic keycaps unless you're doing it for fun and can actually afford to.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 03 December 2019, 11:46:15
Why not just sum it up to "If you are trying to get into the resell game, understand the risks?" Keycaps are a perfect thing to flip, just as perfect as any other limited item. Streetwear, keyboards, keycaps... You can make bank just as easily as you can make just a small amount of paper off the top just as easily as you can get totally rekt with losses. It's just about understanding the gamble.Buying GMK sets to resell is a good thing in my opinion. The more people do it, the more vendors make on the GB, the lower the aftermarket price actually gets, and the more sets actually get made for people to own and enjoy. And resellers make a premium for their risk/time/money investment. Win-win as far as I can tell, as long as it's a low-risk GB from a trusted designer like Olivia and trusted vendor(s) like Novelkeys.
What you're implying is basically charity. I agree with the entirety of your listed benefits for it when it comes to helping vendors and the community, I just think it's ridiculous and a complete waste of money for anyone that isn't doing it purely out of the kindness of their heart/for sport - portraying it as an amazing thing that should be commended can be quite deceiving in my opinion, though I'm sure that's not your intent, because it may encourage people to think they're gonna invest their money and receive meaningful return on it which they more than likely will not (because not every set is Serika/Olivia r1). If people wanna spend $600 (shipping etc) on 5 base kits to resell them in 6 months for $700 (140 a kit which I think is actually too optimistic) then that's their prerogative but let's not pretend like it's definitely a fantastic idea for 99.9% of the community.
If you're gonna speculate please do not do it with plastic keycaps unless you're doing it for fun and can actually afford to.
Also, being 'not worth it' and 'losses from resell' are very different things. I think $140 a base kit is way low, but hey, no speculating keycap market prices, amarite
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 03 December 2019, 12:05:52
Why not just sum it up to "If you are trying to get into the resell game, understand the risks?" Keycaps are a perfect thing to flip, just as perfect as any other limited item. Streetwear, keyboards, keycaps... You can make bank just as easily as you can make just a small amount of paper off the top just as easily as you can get totally rekt with losses. It's just about understanding the gamble.
Also, being 'not worth it' and 'losses from resell' are very different things. I think $140 a base kit is way low, but hey, no speculating keycap market prices, amarite
I've never been interested in streetwear but do you have to wait 4 to 6 months to see any return on your investment like you do with keyboards and keycaps? To my knowledge you just enter every single raffle/FCFS and then sell whatever you win (and/or if you don't want it) because it's highly unlikely you'll ever be at a loss. Kinda like with artisans in this community!
Point being, it's important for people to know that they're investing x amount for y amount of time for return that will most likely be minimal, especially with a set like this. Saying it's an amazing opportunity to make money together with the fact people are for some odd reason posting pictures of their carts with multiple sets in it (not sure why, this isn't discord) I think is a little dangerous, I personally wouldn't wanna incite anything of that sort. If people assess the risk and think it's worth it, by all means. I assume you're aware there is a difference between speculating a possibility and speculating as in investing (which is what I meant prior), so I'm not sure what that remark there is meant to achieve.
Either way, I won't be polluting the thread further, I just felt like it was relevant enough of a topic to entertain.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 03 December 2019, 12:07:46
Buying GMK sets to resell is a good thing in my opinion. The more people do it, the more vendors make on the GB, the lower the aftermarket price actually gets, and the more sets actually get made for people to own and enjoy. And resellers make a premium for their risk/time/money investment. Win-win as far as I can tell, as long as it's a low-risk GB from a trusted designer like Olivia and trusted vendor(s) like Novelkeys.
What you're implying is basically charity. I agree with the entirety of your listed benefits for it when it comes to helping vendors and the community, I just think it's ridiculous and a complete waste of money for anyone that isn't doing it purely out of the kindness of their heart/for sport - portraying it as an amazing thing that should be commended can be quite deceiving in my opinion, though I'm sure that's not your intent, because it may encourage people to think they're gonna invest their money and receive meaningful return on it which they more than likely will not (because not every set is Serika/Olivia r1). If people wanna spend $600 (shipping etc) on 5 base kits to resell them in 6 months for $700 (140 a kit which I think is actually too optimistic) then that's their prerogative but let's not pretend like it's definitely a fantastic idea for 99.9% of the community.
If you're gonna speculate please do not do it with plastic keycaps unless you're doing it for fun and can actually afford to.
No one is saying this is charity.
But assuming you missed the GB, would you rather live in a world where you have to convince someone to sell their only set of Olivia or would you rather live in a world where vendors and flippers are actively trying to sell their extras?
This is a no brainer.
The only people which are harmed by flippers are other flippers.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 03 December 2019, 12:47:30
Plus flippers only exist because of systemic process issues involved with the business model. Flippers are literally a solution to a bad model because any other fix either doesn't exist or hasn't been found yetBuying GMK sets to resell is a good thing in my opinion. The more people do it, the more vendors make on the GB, the lower the aftermarket price actually gets, and the more sets actually get made for people to own and enjoy. And resellers make a premium for their risk/time/money investment. Win-win as far as I can tell, as long as it's a low-risk GB from a trusted designer like Olivia and trusted vendor(s) like Novelkeys.
What you're implying is basically charity. I agree with the entirety of your listed benefits for it when it comes to helping vendors and the community, I just think it's ridiculous and a complete waste of money for anyone that isn't doing it purely out of the kindness of their heart/for sport - portraying it as an amazing thing that should be commended can be quite deceiving in my opinion, though I'm sure that's not your intent, because it may encourage people to think they're gonna invest their money and receive meaningful return on it which they more than likely will not (because not every set is Serika/Olivia r1). If people wanna spend $600 (shipping etc) on 5 base kits to resell them in 6 months for $700 (140 a kit which I think is actually too optimistic) then that's their prerogative but let's not pretend like it's definitely a fantastic idea for 99.9% of the community.
If you're gonna speculate please do not do it with plastic keycaps unless you're doing it for fun and can actually afford to.
No one is saying this is charity.
But assuming you missed the GB, would you rather live in a world where you have to convince someone to sell their only set of Olivia or would you rather live in a world where vendors and flippers are actively trying to sell their extras?
This is a no brainer.
The only people which are harmed by flippers are other flippers.
Post by: Veiox on Tue, 03 December 2019, 13:10:15
Post by: MatthewPham on Tue, 03 December 2019, 13:10:43
v good keycaps!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 03 December 2019, 14:42:33
ordered my set so we all good
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 03 December 2019, 15:21:43
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Day 2 numbers (some proxies outdated):
Core Light: 711
Core Dark: 314
Novelties: 129
Extension: 156
ISO UK: 35
Spacebars: 427
hihihi: 128
Over 1,000 base kits in 2 days!
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 03 December 2019, 15:30:55
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 03 December 2019, 16:22:45
GMK olivia threads and dead arguments name a more iconic duo
seriously though...
I vote for the construction of a Geekhack Thunderdome so folks can duke it out. There could even be bookies where people wager their GMK sets on who'll win. Mods referee of course. wcgw
Post by: dom on Tue, 03 December 2019, 16:25:38
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 03 December 2019, 16:45:07
GMK olivia threads and dead arguments name a more iconic duo
seriously though...
I vote for the construction of a Geekhack Thunderdome so folks can duke it out. There could even be bookies where people wager their GMK sets on who'll win. Mods referee of course. wcgw
i would win, no need
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 03 December 2019, 17:46:33
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 03 December 2019, 20:02:34
Post by: hammerbrotha on Tue, 03 December 2019, 23:20:33
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Post by: rora on Wed, 04 December 2019, 01:21:13
Post by: ksus on Wed, 04 December 2019, 01:24:48
has anyone had experience with NovelKeys being able to edit the order after payment, or is my only option to place a second order? would rather avoid extra shipping costs if I could.
super stoked for this set regardless!
Post by: RubMyKoala on Wed, 04 December 2019, 02:56:43
has anyone had experience with NovelKeys being able to edit the order after payment, or is my only option to place a second order? would rather avoid extra shipping costs if I could.
super stoked for this set regardless!
Order the spacebar kit and then email support with both order numbers. Mike will combine the orders and refund you the shipping. Novelkeys is going on vacation in the next few days though so don't worry if they don't get to it right away.
Post by: rondg on Wed, 04 December 2019, 03:36:02
has anyone had experience with NovelKeys being able to edit the order after payment, or is my only option to place a second order? would rather avoid extra shipping costs if I could.
super stoked for this set regardless!
Order the spacebar kit and then email support with both order numbers. Mike will combine the orders and refund you the shipping. Novelkeys is going on vacation in the next few days though so don't worry if they don't get to it right away.
I had a similar experience. I think what happened with mine was my original order was cancelled and I had to re-order the stuff that I wanted.
Post by: Moridin on Wed, 04 December 2019, 04:43:24
This is insane! GLHF Olivia!
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 04 December 2019, 05:32:01
Core Light: 795
Core Dark: 346
Novelties: 142
Extension: 173
ISO UK: 38
Spacebars: 473
hihihi: 139
Basically 800 light core kits and 350 dark core kits at the end of day 3.
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 04 December 2019, 07:12:14
GMK olivia threads and dead arguments name a more iconic duo
seriously though...
I vote for the construction of a Geekhack Thunderdome so folks can duke it out. There could even be bookies where people wager their GMK sets on who'll win. Mods referee of course. wcgw
i would win, no need
post count++
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 04 December 2019, 07:33:13
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Sales are steadily coming here. Here are updated numbers:
Core Light: 795
Core Dark: 346
Novelties: 142
Extension: 173
ISO UK: 38
Spacebars: 473
hihihi: 139
Basically 800 light core kits and 350 dark core kits at the end of day 3.
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Post by: ksus on Wed, 04 December 2019, 12:45:31
has anyone had experience with NovelKeys being able to edit the order after payment, or is my only option to place a second order? would rather avoid extra shipping costs if I could.
super stoked for this set regardless!
Order the spacebar kit and then email support with both order numbers. Mike will combine the orders and refund you the shipping. Novelkeys is going on vacation in the next few days though so don't worry if they don't get to it right away.
cheers mate I'll make sure to do that.
appreciate the help!
Post by: rora on Wed, 04 December 2019, 17:55:14
https://summitcables.com/olivia
Post by: SUB01 on Thu, 05 December 2019, 00:09:38
GMK olivia threads and dead arguments name a more iconic duo
seriously though...
I vote for the construction of a Geekhack Thunderdome so folks can duke it out. There could even be bookies where people wager their GMK sets on who'll win. Mods referee of course. wcgw
i would win, no need
nowhere. nowhere is safe from the puddsy.
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 05 December 2019, 04:54:42
Core Light: 852
Core Dark: 371
Novelties: 154
Extension: 185
ISO UK: 44
Spacebars: 512
hihihi: 144
Still looking steady here with sales!
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 05 December 2019, 05:12:48
Updated numbers for end of day 4:Thanks for the update Mike. Awesome to see these solid numbers! Will put in my big purchase at some points this weekend...
Core Light: 852
Core Dark: 371
Novelties: 154
Extension: 185
ISO UK: 44
Spacebars: 512
hihihi: 144
Still looking steady here with sales!
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:55:14
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Updated numbers for end of day 4:
Core Light: 852
Core Dark: 371
Novelties: 154
Extension: 185
ISO UK: 44
Spacebars: 512
hihihi: 144
Still looking steady here with sales!
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Post by: 0Name on Fri, 06 December 2019, 09:48:59
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
Post by: heyitsqi on Fri, 06 December 2019, 11:36:03
Will definitely pickup a set before the GB ends.
Will we ever see a R2 SA Olivia? Or even in different profile such as KAT?
I have no current plans on R2 SA. Other profiles in the future however...
You've disappointed me but also made me happy. KAT Olivia+++!
Post by: vision-quest on Fri, 06 December 2019, 13:52:18
I'm skipping this to wait for Darling on Jan 27th.
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
Olivia is so much more flexible though, can partner with more boards and other key sets.
Post by: adxlk on Fri, 06 December 2019, 14:33:04
Updated numbers for end of day 4:Thanks for the update Mike. Awesome to see these solid numbers! Will put in my big purchase at some points this weekend...
Core Light: 852
Core Dark: 371
Novelties: 154
Extension: 185
ISO UK: 44
Spacebars: 512
hihihi: 144
Still looking steady here with sales!
go work
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 06 December 2019, 14:35:14
Core Light: 882
Core Dark: 383
Novelties: 159
Extension: 193
ISO UK: 46
Spacebars: 530
hihihi: 148
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 06 December 2019, 16:03:40
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December 6, 15:33 ET, pending numbers from Novelkeys:
Core Light: 882
Core Dark: 383
Novelties: 159
Extension: 193
ISO UK: 46
Spacebars: 530
hihihi: 148
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Post by: vision-quest on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:20:03
Post by: runningngunning on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:24:59
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 07 December 2019, 04:37:27
Core Light: 923
Core Dark: 390
Novelties: 162
Extension: 202
ISO UK: 48
Spacebars: 550
hihihi: 151
Post by: bukowski on Sat, 07 December 2019, 05:24:09
Well, maybe there will be a third GMK run. Until then, fellas...
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 07 December 2019, 07:33:37
Yeah no chance this would have hit NorDeUK MOQ (/s)Wait, maybe I'm wrong, but you're arguing that there should have been a NorDeUK kit?
Well, maybe there will be a third GMK run. Until then, fellas...
Because, boy, that ISO kit number is seriously weak.
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 07 December 2019, 08:25:30
Yeah no chance this would have hit NorDeUK MOQ (/s)Wait, maybe I'm wrong, but you're arguing that there should have been a NorDeUK kit?
Well, maybe there will be a third GMK run. Until then, fellas...
Because, boy, that ISO kit number is seriously weak.
Damn, not enough ISO boards eh
Post by: bukowski on Sat, 07 December 2019, 12:28:36
48 after a week and just for UK-users? the kit will hit MOQ even though its just for a single european country and useless to the rest of us^^Yeah no chance this would have hit NorDeUK MOQ (/s)Wait, maybe I'm wrong, but you're arguing that there should have been a NorDeUK kit?
Well, maybe there will be a third GMK run. Until then, fellas...
Because, boy, that ISO kit number is seriously weak.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 07 December 2019, 13:22:51
48 after a week and just for UK-users? the kit will hit MOQ even though its just for a single european country and useless to the rest of us^^
Categorically not true - plenty of people use ISO and don't care about whether or not their ζ εεε υ ν α ΰ legends are there or not, so the kit is absolutely not useless for anyone outside the UK, it is only useless for people outside of the UK who are adamant about having correct legends for their super niche languages. Additionally, there are a lot of people (myself included) that split left shift on smaller boards despite using ANSI, and the kit also covers that.
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 07 December 2019, 14:57:01
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December 7, 5:36 ET:
Core Light: 923
Core Dark: 390
Novelties: 162
Extension: 202
ISO UK: 48
Spacebars: 550
hihihi: 151
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Post by: bukowski on Sun, 08 December 2019, 07:33:01
it is only useless for people outside of the UK who are adamant about having correct legends for their super niche languagesYou are right. Still, having correct legends on expensive custom boards is a reasonable demand imo. I'm not an ISO user but I want my niche-legends - and since the most spoken languages in Europe are German and French one could argue if they're niche in the first place.
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:07:13
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:19:47
what bonus do we get once this reaches 1000 base kits? :p1000 is the MOQ
As in Minimum.
The low kit price you'll get is the bonus.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:19:53
what bonus do we get once this reaches 1000 base kits? :p
That's the MOQ, so I guess getting the kits made would be a great incentive.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:24:58
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:30:31
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 08 December 2019, 09:57:52
Core Light: 964
Core Dark: 402
Novelties: 167
Extension: 209
ISO UK: 50
Spacebars: 569
hihihi: 153
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 08 December 2019, 11:47:24
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December 8, 10:23ET:
Core Light: 964
Core Dark: 402
Novelties: 167
Extension: 209
ISO UK: 50
Spacebars: 569
hihihi: 153
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Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 09 December 2019, 11:18:36
Core Light: 1016
Core Dark: 422
Novelties: 172
Extension: 222
ISO UK: 52
Spacebars: 593
hihihi: 154
Over 1,000 light core kits!
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 09 December 2019, 13:21:55
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Just got a chance to update NovelKeys' numbers. Some proxies outdated.
Core Light: 1016
Core Dark: 422
Novelties: 172
Extension: 222
ISO UK: 52
Spacebars: 593
hihihi: 154
Over 1,000 light core kits!
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Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 09 December 2019, 13:58:35
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 09 December 2019, 14:14:50
Rose colored alphas in round 3, yeah?! ;D
Do it. Ellis love TKL and those would be solid.
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 09 December 2019, 14:16:31
Just got a chance to update NovelKeys' numbers. Some proxies outdated.
Core Light: 1016
Core Dark: 422
Novelties: 172
Extension: 222
ISO UK: 52
Spacebars: 593
hihihi: 154
Over 1,000 light core kits!
Dear iso users:
Imagine asking for iso in every IC with those pathetic turnout.
Litterally can't even come up with half of the Hihihi or Rama numbers.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 09 December 2019, 14:41:43
I mean, halfway to moq in the first 9 days its open. We aren't even a third of the way through the group buy. Compare it to the moq, not the relationship to other kits. There is a big, bold number that says 'once we are past this number of sales, the kit will be made and the people will be paid.' Comparing it to other kit sales is useless red herring in an attempt to troll. I'm all for jumping on ISO UK users and telling them to stfu and get rekt.... IF that moq isn't met. Otherwise, they have every right to ask for layout.Just got a chance to update NovelKeys' numbers. Some proxies outdated.
Core Light: 1016
Core Dark: 422
Novelties: 172
Extension: 222
ISO UK: 52
Spacebars: 593
hihihi: 154
Over 1,000 light core kits!
Dear iso users:
Imagine asking for iso in every IC with those pathetic turnout.
Litterally can't even come up with half of the Hihihi or Rama numbers.
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 09 December 2019, 17:03:15
For what its worth, simply the fact that Olivia added an ISO kit made 52 people so far happy and theyll be able to put the set on their keyboards. If it fails moq so be it, but to me making at least some people happy with a keycap set simply by offering it is worth it to me.
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Post by: Imperilous on Mon, 09 December 2019, 17:08:40
Dear iso users:Why would you not ask for it if you really wanted a set and ISO is vital or a requirement to you? It never hurts to ask. Regardless of whether the wish for ISO or the MOQ is met, i would still encourage to show interest and ask for what you want or need as a single individual.
Imagine asking for iso in every IC with those pathetic turnout.
Litterally can't even come up with half of the Hihihi or Rama numbers.
I am an ISO user myself and i do have a theory though;
As far as I'm aware most (but not all) ISO users also have seperate language specific characters aswell, so offering just the ISO UK set without the additional language keys for French, Dutch, German, Nordics etc. really doesn't give the set many potential buyers. Just a theory.
I can only speak for myself, but if offered kits doesn't completely accommodate the language i speak and write i will not buy the ISO kit, or the set at all for that matter.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 09 December 2019, 17:27:39
O look, its another person hating on iso.The point isn't to make people happy, it's to make money. That being said, I don't use it iso but I'm rooting for you guys. Hitting moq means it breaks even. Passing it means profits and process it's worth offering. Making it half way to moq in 9 days out of 31 is impressive, especially since many people get paid halfway through the month too
For what its worth, simply the fact that Olivia added an ISO kit made 52 people so far happy and theyll be able to put the set on their keyboards. If it fails moq so be it, but to me making at least some people happy with a keycap set simply by offering it is worth it to me.
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Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 09 December 2019, 18:49:20
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 09 December 2019, 19:31:59
Let's not get this thread locked too.
wasn't even my fault this time
Post by: forevermadrigal on Mon, 09 December 2019, 20:02:57
Post by: midnatwili on Mon, 09 December 2019, 21:51:29
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Mon, 09 December 2019, 22:17:37
Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Post by: ConfuseBill on Tue, 10 December 2019, 01:29:46
Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Yes, This is my only concern from the first day Olivia++ launched. This will not fit nicely in my Rama Koyu.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 10 December 2019, 03:06:57
They are the same key, just different legends (though basically the same if you come from the Mac/HHKB side). It will fit just fine on your Koyu.Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Yes, This is my only concern from the first day Olivia++ launched. This will not fit nicely in my Rama Koyu.
Post by: PoohGom on Tue, 10 December 2019, 03:44:44
Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
There is no R2 "backspace" key, but the base kit comes with a R2 1.5u "delete" key which is supposed to be your "backspace" for M65-B.
Post by: midnatwili on Tue, 10 December 2019, 08:32:47
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 10 December 2019, 19:57:03
Rip. I should ve paid more attention. Thanks for the replies
Olivia even posted your question as one of the 2 FAQ questions.
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 11 December 2019, 06:16:48
Core Light: 1035
Core Dark: 433
Novelties: 178
Extension: 229
ISO UK: 55
Spacebars: 613
hihihi: 157
* Novelkeys numbers are from December 9, 12:15 ET.
Post by: ConfuseBill on Wed, 11 December 2019, 08:34:21
They are the same key, just different legends (though basically the same if you come from the Mac/HHKB side). It will fit just fine on your Koyu.Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Yes, This is my only concern from the first day Olivia++ launched. This will not fit nicely in my Rama Koyu.
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
Post by: itskuroi on Wed, 11 December 2019, 09:40:56
They are the same key, just different legends (though basically the same if you come from the Mac/HHKB side). It will fit just fine on your Koyu.Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Yes, This is my only concern from the first day Olivia++ launched. This will not fit nicely in my Rama Koyu.
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
Too late for that one
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 11 December 2019, 10:45:03
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Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 11 December 2019, 12:52:59
MoreDecember 11, 6:13 ET:* Novelkeys numbers are from December 9, 12:15 ET.
Core Light: 1035
Core Dark: 433
Novelties: 178
Extension: 229
ISO UK: 55
Spacebars: 613
hihihi: 157
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Post by: prangano on Wed, 11 December 2019, 13:57:15
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:35:13
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.
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Post by: Tyson on Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:51:00
They are the same key, just different legends (though basically the same if you come from the Mac/HHKB side). It will fit just fine on your Koyu.Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Yes, This is my only concern from the first day Olivia++ launched. This will not fit nicely in my Rama Koyu.
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
What? The Koyu pcb will run VIA, you can make any key what ever you want. What are you basing your claim that "the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\"", the renders? Personally I never use R1 1u Delete on my 65s it just looks too weird on that top row. Also it's way to late to ask for this change. This should have been mentioned during the IC phases of the keyset.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 12 December 2019, 10:37:28
Core Light: 1119
Core Dark: 476
Novelties: 190
Extension: 247
ISO UK: 60
Spacebars: 666
hihihi: 170
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 11, 3:03 ET.
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 12 December 2019, 11:52:27
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 12 December 2019, 11:58:11
When would this ship?
Late April is what it says on the site
Post by: delrn on Thu, 12 December 2019, 12:19:24
As always, add about 1-2 months for delays.When would this ship?
Late April is what it says on the site
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 12 December 2019, 12:23:54
I concurAs always, add about 1-2 months for delays.When would this ship?
Late April is what it says on the site
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Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 12 December 2019, 14:35:43
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 12 December 2019, 16:27:43
MoreDecember 12, 11:35 ET:* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 11, 3:03 ET.
Core Light: 1119
Core Dark: 476
Novelties: 190
Extension: 247
ISO UK: 60
Spacebars: 666
hihihi: 170
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Post by: ConfuseBill on Thu, 12 December 2019, 23:32:23
They are the same key, just different legends (though basically the same if you come from the Mac/HHKB side). It will fit just fine on your Koyu.Question: does GMK Olivia ++ provide "Back Space" keycap for R2? I preordered Rama 65B, and their backspace is on R2
there is no R2 Backspace in GMK Olivia++, this set has R2 Delete instead (like the original HHKB)
Yes, This is my only concern from the first day Olivia++ launched. This will not fit nicely in my Rama Koyu.
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
What? The Koyu pcb will run VIA, you can make any key what ever you want. What are you basing your claim that "the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\"", the renders? Personally I never use R1 1u Delete on my 65s it just looks too weird on that top row. Also it's way to late to ask for this change. This should have been mentioned during the IC phases of the keyset.
Guys, chill. I respect Olivia's decision as GB runners for this decision.
Did not ask for change. Said "Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace.""
Only hoping like other successful GB reach way above MOQ, maybe in the end as a bonus, there is a surprise additional key that which is R2 1,5u "Backspace" or other Novelties.
Yes, KOYU has VIA to play around with. I can change any keys whatever i want with VIA to my KOYU.
Just a friendly FYI, RAMA KOYU has build in Plate which is unibody with the top Case/Cover.
And the top row is only milled with 1u, and the PCB is also fixed 1u top row. Link to Rama Works KOYU unboxing (t=8s). And attached pictures directly from Rama page.[attach=1]
Meaning, KOYU does not have top Row 2u "Backspace".
The Default "Backspace" layout for KOYU is R2 1,5u.
If want to move Backspace to top row, meaning i must use R1 1u Backspace.
However, R1 1u "Backspace" is not included in this GB. So, meaning i got to fill in the top row with other R1 1u available such as "Print", "Scroll, "Pause", and others.
KOYU is not as flexible as your M65A or upcoming M65B which has 2u "backspace" option on the plate.
(unlucky for us KOYU owners).
And not sure whether M60A has a fixed all 1u top row or not, Any M60A owners here?
Hope it enlighten the thoughts.
Cheers.
Peace out you all.
Post by: ConfuseBill on Fri, 13 December 2019, 02:06:50
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.Show Image(https://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mac-keyboard-1.jpg)
Chill guys.
I come in peace.
I support GB runner 100% for their decision. And did not ask for a change.
Just saying that "This will not fit nicely on my KOYU." Already explained the reason in my reply to Tyson.
No more argument.
But, really, really wishing if this GB surpasses way higher than MOQ, there is surprise bonus key. Maybe R1 1u Novelty, or maybe R2 1,5u Novelty. :p
Cheers.
Peace out.
Btw, what Windows laptop is that in the pictures.....
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It does look like MX Low Profile switch.
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.....
....
Oh wait, is it Butterfly Switch...
...
...
..
Oh, oh. That maybe the Scissors switch
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Yeah, let's go back to Scissors switch.
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Just kidding y'all.
Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas.
;D
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 13 December 2019, 07:08:11
Nobody comes in peace in this community, bro. We're all a bunch of fat, greasy, pretentious neckbeards ready to jump on anyone and everyone for anything. So buckle up, keyboard warrior. This is the Olivia++ thread. The Gremlins are hungry and ready to pounceNot really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.Show Image(https://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mac-keyboard-1.jpg)
Chill guys.
I come in peace.
I support GB runner 100% for their decision. And did not ask for a change.
Just saying that "This will not fit nicely on my KOYU." Already explained the reason in my reply to Tyson.
No more argument.
But, really, really wishing if this GB surpasses way higher than MOQ, there is surprise bonus key. Maybe R1 1u Novelty, or maybe R2 1,5u Novelty. :p
Cheers.
Peace out.
Btw, what Windows laptop is that in the pictures.....
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It does look like MX Low Profile switch.
........
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....
Oh wait, is it Butterfly Switch...
...
...
..
Oh, oh. That maybe the Scissors switch
...
...
...
Yeah, let's go back to Scissors switch.
...
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...
Just kidding y'all.
Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas.
;D
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 13 December 2019, 13:49:06
Core Light: 1171
Core Dark: 495
Novelties: 194
Extension: 260
ISO UK: 64
Spacebars: 698
hihihi: 176
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 13 December 2019, 16:19:55
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December 13, 2:49 PM ET:
Core Light: 1171
Core Dark: 495
Novelties: 194
Extension: 260
ISO UK: 64
Spacebars: 698
hihihi: 176
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Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 14 December 2019, 15:52:53
Core Light: 1183
Core Dark: 498
Novelties: 194
Extension: 261
ISO UK: 64
Spacebars: 700
hihihi: 176
* Novelkeys' numbers are from December 13
Post by: RainyDays on Sat, 14 December 2019, 17:16:59
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 14 December 2019, 17:26:33
Why is the dark kit not provided as an alpha kit nstead? Wouldn't it need less to reach MoQ
Because in that case you would need to buy both regular base and the dark alpha kit...? Now you can just buy the dark base and be done with it.
Post by: Rayndalf on Sat, 14 December 2019, 17:39:17
Normally your cynicism is on point, but this community is actually pretty decent (in large part because people can vote with their wallets or start their own projects instead of just sucking it up and buying a Corsair).Nobody comes in peace in this community, bro. We're all a bunch of fat, greasy, pretentious neckbeards ready to jump on anyone and everyone for anything. So buckle up, keyboard warrior. This is the Olivia++ thread. The Gremlins are hungry and ready to pounceNot really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.Show Image(https://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mac-keyboard-1.jpg)
Chill guys.
I come in peace.
I support GB runner 100% for their decision. And did not ask for a change.
Just saying that "This will not fit nicely on my KOYU." Already explained the reason in my reply to Tyson.
No more argument.
But, really, really wishing if this GB surpasses way higher than MOQ, there is surprise bonus key. Maybe R1 1u Novelty, or maybe R2 1,5u Novelty. :p
Cheers.
Peace out.
Btw, what Windows laptop is that in the pictures.....
..........
It does look like MX Low Profile switch.
........
.....
....
Oh wait, is it Butterfly Switch...
...
...
..
Oh, oh. That maybe the Scissors switch
...
...
...
Yeah, let's go back to Scissors switch.
...
...
...
Just kidding y'all.
Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas.
;D
If people want more complete ISO support they can buy Umbra or Nautilus Nightmares or wait for Nord or one of the KAT sets (which supports even more languages).
Its not like being a fan of anime outside of Japan and having no ability to financially support the creators or influence the market, you can offer feedback in the IC, get blown off, leave, and choose to support buys that offer what you want instead.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 15 December 2019, 00:21:34
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.Show Image(https://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mac-keyboard-1.jpg)
Ah, it does look pretty wack having "Delete" 1u on the top row, and right below it above enter having another "Delete."
[attach=1]
I use Delete more than anything for work, so I need it on the base layer. Meh, I'll just do what I've always done and use a boop-able matching artisan for the 1u.
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 15 December 2019, 01:12:43
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.Show Image(https://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mac-keyboard-1.jpg)
Ah, it does look pretty wack having "Delete" 1u on the top row, and right below it above enter having another "Delete."
(Attachment Link)
I use Delete more than anything for work, so I need it on the base layer. Meh, I'll just do what I've always done and use a boop-able matching artisan for the 1u.
Heh, I use ~ key so it's not an issue for me, but yeah that is super tacky.
Post by: bukowski on Sun, 15 December 2019, 04:19:47
Yeah, you are right. This kit is useless to people from Germany(+Austria) and France(+Switzerland). So the ISO-Kit ignores the two biggest european countries (170 Million people, not even counting the nordic countries). For me that means I'm not buying the base kits and extras, just because my legends are not covered.Imagine asking for iso in every IC with those pathetic turnout.As far as I'm aware most (but not all) ISO users also have seperate language specific characters aswell, so offering just the ISO UK set without the additional language keys for French, Dutch, German, Nordics etc. really doesn't give the set many potential buyers. Just a theory.
Litterally can't even come up with half of the Hihihi or Rama numbers.
Great job!
Post by: ConfuseBill on Sun, 15 December 2019, 04:22:49
Not really, Since the Koyu has R2 1,5u "Backspace", and R1 1u "Delete" + R1 1u "\". It is just not perfect to replace R1 1u "Delete" with other R1 key such as "Print", "Lock", "Pause" and "Insert."
"Delete" is delete, "Backspace" is backspace.
Would appreciate if this GB can add 1,5u "Backspace."
―\_(ツ)_/― Too bad so sad that this GB is run by someone who disagrees with you then.Show Image(https://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mac-keyboard-1.jpg)
Ah, it does look pretty wack having "Delete" 1u on the top row, and right below it above enter having another "Delete."
(Attachment Link)
I use Delete more than anything for work, so I need it on the base layer. Meh, I'll just do what I've always done and use a boop-able matching artisan for the 1u.
Heh, I use ~ key so it's not an issue for me, but yeah that is super tacky.
Wow, double "Delete" key is a pretty dope, so we won't miss that delete key right after we miss-type anything. ***Just kidding***
Yes, an artisan or novelties will do nice to cover the R1 1u, should find Rose Gold Aluminum R1. Does Rama has Rose Gold R1 1u keycaps?
Maybe, FUYU should change that R2 1,5 "backspace" to "delete" as well. @Mcnos though you gonna make EPBT for FUYU. How bout the Pyramid scheme, EPBT then GMK. Look at Toxic, first JTK, then GMK.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:22:53
Yeah, you are right. This kit is useless to people from Germany(+Austria) and France(+Switzerland). So the ISO-Kit ignores the two biggest european countries (170 Million people, not even counting the nordic countries). For me that means I'm not buying the base kits and extras, just because my legends are not covered.
Great job!
If you have no interest on buying the set or any of the extra stuff, or you want to ask about the GB timeline or any other GB aspect or have serious concerns about the vendors selling this set that should be known by the rest fo the community, why do you keep posting on this thread?
Just because you post about it over a dozen times doesn't mean that neither the group buy runner or other people are not aware of your position and have not taken it into consideration.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103619.msg2841877#msg2841877
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103619.msg2841683#msg2841683
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103619.msg2841611#msg2841611
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2835373#msg2835373
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2834273#msg2834273
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2833600#msg2833600
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2833246#msg2833246
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2831872#msg2831872
Great job!
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 15 December 2019, 06:45:27
If you have no interest on buying the set or any of the extra stuff, or you want to ask about the GB timeline or any other GB aspect or have serious concerns about the vendors selling this set that should be known by the rest fo the community, why do you keep posting on this thread?
Just because you post about it over a dozen times doesn't mean that neither the group buy runner or other people are not aware of your position and have not taken it into consideration.
Great job!
That feeling when the keycap designer actually verifies that your concern is valid and it's being considered.
Post by: Wilba on Sun, 15 December 2019, 06:52:37
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2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 15 December 2019, 07:37:55
Thanks again for everyone joining this! :)
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:26:33
Core Light: 1238
Core Dark: 520
Novelties: 203
Extension: 269
ISO UK: 67
Spacebars: 729
hihihi: 181
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 13
Post by: megaforce on Sun, 15 December 2019, 11:23:54
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
Post by: OzzyG on Sun, 15 December 2019, 11:32:47
December 15, 9:25 ET:
Core Light: 1238
Core Dark: 520
Novelties: 203
Extension: 269
ISO UK: 67
Spacebars: 729
hihihi: 181
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 13
This is pretty awesome, Having it being my first group buy I really hope the dark core reaches MOQ. Looks like if the numbers stay steady it should reach it.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 15 December 2019, 12:09:34
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 15 December 2019, 12:16:55
This is pretty awesome, Having it being my first group buy I really hope the dark core reaches MOQ. Looks like if the numbers stay steady it should reach it.
This won't be a worry. Dark core will get produced.
Post by: OzzyG on Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:15:27
This is pretty awesome, Having it being my first group buy I really hope the dark core reaches MOQ. Looks like if the numbers stay steady it should reach it.This won't be a worry. Dark core will get produced.
If core dark doesn't quite get to 1000 (and I think it still will)...they're gonna take our money.
Woohoo! Thanks for that, I'm not sure how I missed that. So stoked now!
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 15 December 2019, 16:14:20
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December 15, 9:25 ET:
Core Light: 1238
Core Dark: 520
Novelties: 203
Extension: 269
ISO UK: 67
Spacebars: 729
hihihi: 181
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 13
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Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 16 December 2019, 07:54:20
Core Light: 1279
Core Dark: 546
Novelties: 208
Extension: 281
ISO UK: 71
Spacebars: 764
hihihi: 187
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 16 December 2019, 11:07:28
Post by: alanskiii on Mon, 16 December 2019, 12:37:45
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December 16, 8:54 ET:
Core Light: 1279
Core Dark: 546
Novelties: 208
Extension: 281
ISO UK: 71
Spacebars: 764
hihihi: 187
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Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 16 December 2019, 14:37:27
Post by: whyamihere on Mon, 16 December 2019, 16:44:36
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
/s
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 16 December 2019, 16:56:05
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
Post by: Dakk1d on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:55:58
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
What he's saying is true though :)
But I guess life's rough when you use a niche layout in a niche hobby amirite.
Post by: Rayndalf on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:57:24
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
Yeah... it'll hit the already low MOQ eventually. An extension kit with a HHKB delete with 'Backspace' on it and whatever else people are shouting for now for might sell 3 times as many (at the same price?), but ―\_(ツ)_/― the UK ISO kit is actually pretty neat since it can cover a light and dark base at the same time for a reasonable price.
Post by: dugihk on Tue, 17 December 2019, 03:42:21
Post by: whyamihere on Tue, 17 December 2019, 10:05:24
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
What he's saying is true though :)
But I guess life's rough when you use a niche layout in a niche hobby amirite.
:^)
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 17 December 2019, 10:22:57
Core Light: 1316
Core Dark: 595
Novelties: 211
Extension: 291
ISO UK: 71
Spacebars: 782
hihihi: 190
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 16
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 17 December 2019, 11:00:45
Yeah, you are right. This kit is useless to people from Germany(+Austria) and France(+Switzerland). So the ISO-Kit ignores the two biggest european countries (170 Million people, not even counting the nordic countries). For me that means I'm not buying the base kits and extras, just because my legends are not covered.Just because you post about it over a dozen times doesn't mean that neither the group buy runner or other people are not aware of your position and have not taken it into consideration.
Great job!
Because I tried to get a statement for a seperate NorDeUK-Addon Groupbuy. The chance has vanished now, since people are not going to order Base Kits on the possibility that it might be useable one day.
Please dont be mad.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 17 December 2019, 11:12:52
LeL iF yOu WaNt ThE kIt JuSt RuN iT yOuRsElFYeah, you are right. This kit is useless to people from Germany(+Austria) and France(+Switzerland). So the ISO-Kit ignores the two biggest european countries (170 Million people, not even counting the nordic countries). For me that means I'm not buying the base kits and extras, just because my legends are not covered.Just because you post about it over a dozen times doesn't mean that neither the group buy runner or other people are not aware of your position and have not taken it into consideration.
Great job!
Because I tried to get a statement for a seperate NorDeUK-Addon Groupbuy. The chance has vanished now, since people are not going to order Base Kits on the possibility that it might be useable one day.
Please dont be mad.
Post by: vision-quest on Tue, 17 December 2019, 11:52:38
December 17, 11:22 ET:
Core Light: 1316
Core Dark: 595
Novelties: 211
Extension: 291
ISO UK: 71
Spacebars: 782
hihihi: 190
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 16
Damn, nearly 2k kits just over 2 weeks in. Impressive.
Post by: dietonto on Tue, 17 December 2019, 11:55:00
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 17 December 2019, 12:29:49
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December 17, 11:22 ET:
Core Light: 1316
Core Dark: 595
Novelties: 211
Extension: 291
ISO UK: 71
Spacebars: 782
hihihi: 190
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 16
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Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 17 December 2019, 15:32:46
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
What he's saying is true though :)
But I guess life's rough when you use a niche layout in a niche hobby amirite.
i use colemak and instead of whining about how no set supports my layout/the support kits are expensive, i made my own set that supported it and every other layout :)
i love olivia
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 17 December 2019, 15:36:34
Care to share how you 'made your own' set of blanks? For the sake of getting all of the whiners, to shut up, of course.December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
What he's saying is true though :)
But I guess life's rough when you use a niche layout in a niche hobby amirite.
i use colemak and instead of whining about how no set supports my layout/the support kits are expensive, i made my own set that supported it and every other layout :)
i love olivia
Post by: Rayndalf on Tue, 17 December 2019, 15:57:33
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
What he's saying is true though :)
But I guess life's rough when you use a niche layout in a niche hobby amirite.
i use colemak and instead of whining about how no set supports my layout/the support kits are expensive, i made my own set that supported it and every other layout :)
i love olivia
I still regret missing Red Riot. A shame JTK won't do blanks again, but TKC has blank Keyreative ABS sets now, so thats nice.
Post by: Dakk1d on Tue, 17 December 2019, 16:02:00
December 15, 9:25 ET:
ISO UK: 67
:^)
the lack of nordeuk and 40s kits are really holding the sales back
oh boy here we go again
What he's saying is true though :)
But I guess life's rough when you use a niche layout in a niche hobby amirite.
i use colemak and instead of whining about how no set supports my layout/the support kits are expensive, i made my own set that supported it and every other layout :)
i love olivia
nice
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 18 December 2019, 07:42:27
Core Light: 1359
Core Dark: 608
Novelties: 214
Extension: 297
ISO UK: 73
Spacebars: 813
hihihi: 196
Post by: han_zomai03 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:04:01
Post by: vision-quest on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:06:09
Will there ever be standard gmk olivia keycaps set?Standard?
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:06:18
Will there ever be standard gmk olivia keycaps set?Yes, you can find it here (https://www.oliviaplus.plus/)
Post by: han_zomai03 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:18:32
https://novelkeys.xyz/products/gmk-olivia-gb?variant=3949755727912
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:35:24
I meant this set:
https://novelkeys.xyz/products/gmk-olivia-gb?variant=3949755727912
I don't think they will be bringing that back.
Post by: bball2 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:36:15
I meant this set:
https://novelkeys.xyz/products/gmk-olivia-gb?variant=3949755727912
That was R1, the only place to get it as far as I know is on the second hand marked for 2-3x the original cost.
Post by: han_zomai03 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:47:42
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:54:09
got itI bet you could find some r1 sets for a bit cheaper now that r2 is running
Post by: han_zomai03 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 12:03:00
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 18 December 2019, 12:14:53
I'm not really worried about saving money, but i have got the last question: For how much would I be able to sell them afterwards, if I won't even open it?R2? Not that much. Deadstock will probs net you 1.25x easily, 1.5x hard. The reality is that nobody knows the after market price because it's not there yet, but since everyone knows to buy this set there will be less demand and more after market supply to compete with.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 18 December 2019, 12:56:48
I'm not really worried about saving money, but i have got the last question: For how much would I be able to sell them afterwards, if I won't even open it?
$145
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 18 December 2019, 13:34:34
I'm not really worried about saving money, but i have got the last question: For how much would I be able to sell them afterwards, if I won't even open it?
If you have to ask...
Post by: DJSwayde on Wed, 18 December 2019, 13:47:03
I'm not really worried about saving money, but i have got the last question: For how much would I be able to sell them afterwards, if I won't even open it?You would be able to sell them for what you bought them for.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 18 December 2019, 13:55:18
Post by: Robosculpts on Wed, 18 December 2019, 13:59:41
Are people really buying a keyset that will arrive 6 months later to make a $40 profit?
If that. They'll have to compete with the vendors who bought extras. Best thing to do imo is to sit on it for a while.
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 18 December 2019, 15:47:23
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December 18, 08:42 ET:
Core Light: 1359
Core Dark: 608
Novelties: 214
Extension: 297
ISO UK: 73
Spacebars: 813
hihihi: 196
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Post by: Rayndalf on Wed, 18 December 2019, 16:03:44
Thirty something percent profit in 6 months still comfortably beats the stock market, especially since extras will be at least $160, so you can easily sell at $150 assuming you don't want to wait longer (Metropolis extras are still available at $185).Are people really buying a keyset that will arrive 6 months later to make a $40 profit?
If that. They'll have to compete with the vendors who bought extras. Best thing to do imo is to sit on it for a while.
But remember Serika? It was a great set that people had to skip because they went all in on Laser. Some of the sets now that are barely making MOQ are going to be sleeper hits like Taro or Serika were, and may have a very low number of extras (assuming a vender didn't have to buy it out).
Olivia is a great set, but as far as investments its middling at best.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 18 December 2019, 17:36:56
That feeling when keyset investing is more profitable AND less risky than the capital markets or Crypto. Not to mention that funding keyboard/keycap designers and projects might be more personally rewarding than funding big corpThirty something percent profit in 6 months still comfortably beats the stock market, especially since extras will be at least $160, so you can easily sell at $150 assuming you don't want to wait longer (Metropolis extras are still available at $185).Are people really buying a keyset that will arrive 6 months later to make a $40 profit?
If that. They'll have to compete with the vendors who bought extras. Best thing to do imo is to sit on it for a while.
But remember Serika? It was a great set that people had to skip because they went all in on Laser. Some of the sets now that are barely making MOQ are going to be sleeper hits like Taro or Serika were, and may have a very low number of extras (assuming a vender didn't have to buy it out).
Olivia is a great set, but as far as investments its middling at best.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 18 December 2019, 18:05:57
Really, we should diversify the risk. GMK Future Funk, meet GMK futures...
Post by: ptykozoon on Wed, 18 December 2019, 18:51:53
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 18 December 2019, 19:13:02
I got a spreadsheet out for this once and my favorite stat was "# needed to buy that my one is free". Rama Koyu had that number less than 4.
Really, we should diversify the risk. GMK Future Funk, meet GMK futures...
It used to be--before vendors really stocked up--that you could get away with buying 3 GMK kits and getting one for free.
Now margins are much thinner. This is all good because it means that inefficiencies in the marketplace are going away and makes it easier for newcomers to enjoy the hobby. I won't be able to get "free" GMK sets anymore, but I'm perfectly happy with that.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:12:52
Core Light: 1395
Core Dark: 629
Novelties: 221
Extension: 305
ISO UK: 75
Spacebars: 837
hihihi: 199
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:03:39
December 19, 07:12 ET:
Core Light: 1395
Core Dark: 629
Novelties: 221
Extension: 305
ISO UK: 75
Spacebars: 837
hihihi: 199
Oof. Over 2,000 combined base kits. 12 more days to go!
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 19 December 2019, 11:04:54
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December 19, 07:12 ET:
Core Light: 1395
Core Dark: 629
Novelties: 221
Extension: 305
ISO UK: 75
Spacebars: 837
hihihi: 199
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Post by: trg1234 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 12:34:23
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 19 December 2019, 13:57:37
Are people really buying a keyset that will arrive 6 months later to make a $40 profit?
you ****in bet
Post by: phinix on Thu, 19 December 2019, 16:31:14
Waiting begins....
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 20 December 2019, 07:20:43
Core Light: 1424
Core Dark: 642
Novelties: 222
Extension: 313
ISO UK: 76
Spacebars: 858
hihihi: 201
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:01:55
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December 20, 08:20 ET:
Core Light: 1424
Core Dark: 642
Novelties: 222
Extension: 313
ISO UK: 76
Spacebars: 858
hihihi: 201
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Post by: hngtx on Fri, 20 December 2019, 15:02:56
may I ask what the size of the deskpad is?
Thanks for taking your time answering.
Wishing everyone who reads this happy christmas days!
Post by: xondat on Fri, 20 December 2019, 15:19:15
Hi all,
may I ask what the size of the deskpad is?
Thanks for taking your time answering.
Wishing everyone who reads this happy christmas days!
900 x 400 x 4mm
Have a great season :)
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 21 December 2019, 09:13:02
Core Light: 1463
Core Dark: 661
Novelties: 233
Extension: 325
ISO UK: 78
Spacebars: 885
hihihi: 221
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 18
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 21 December 2019, 21:54:48
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December 21, 10:13 ET:
Core Light: 1463
Core Dark: 661
Novelties: 233
Extension: 325
ISO UK: 78
Spacebars: 885
hihihi: 221
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 18
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Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 22 December 2019, 09:04:45
Core Light: 1521
Core Dark: 677
Novelties: 244
Extension: 337
ISO UK: 78
Spacebars: 918
hihihi: 228
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 18, expect a noticeable bump on Monday
Post by: OscillatorSlave on Sun, 22 December 2019, 10:15:37
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 22 December 2019, 10:21:24
New user here! Olivia++ is my very first set I ever bought and I'm really looking forward to it. I've been drooling over the old set on r/mechanicalkeyboards for a while so couldn't pass on the re-run even though things like these aren't exactly in my budget! I ordered the dark set but was wondering if it separately needs to make the 1000 order mark too in order to be made, or will it be made regardless. Thank you
All kits will be produced at this point. Close enough to MOQ on kits that havent hit, that we will buy out.
Post by: OscillatorSlave on Sun, 22 December 2019, 10:26:30
New user here! Olivia++ is my very first set I ever bought and I'm really looking forward to it. I've been drooling over the old set on r/mechanicalkeyboards for a while so couldn't pass on the re-run even though things like these aren't exactly in my budget! I ordered the dark set but was wondering if it separately needs to make the 1000 order mark too in order to be made, or will it be made regardless. Thank you
All kits will be produced at this point. Close enough to MOQ on kits that havent hit, that we will buy out.
Awesome, thanks for clarifying!
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 22 December 2019, 16:02:09
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December 22, 10:04 ET:
Core Light: 1521
Core Dark: 677
Novelties: 244
Extension: 337
ISO UK: 78
Spacebars: 918
hihihi: 228
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 18, expect a noticeable bump on Monday
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Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 23 December 2019, 13:13:11
Core Light: 1608
Core Dark: 721
Novelties: 255
Extension: 368
ISO UK: 90
Spacebars: 983
hihihi: 238
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 23 December 2019, 15:31:26
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December 23, 14:12 ET:
Core Light: 1608
Core Dark: 721
Novelties: 255
Extension: 368
ISO UK: 90
Spacebars: 983
hihihi: 238
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 23 December 2019, 15:57:56
For anyone who hasn't seen it, go check out the Olivia edition M60s at Rama. That tank is gorgeous.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 24 December 2019, 08:25:44
Core Light: 1662
Core Dark: 742
Novelties: 265
Extension: 376
ISO UK: 96
Spacebars: 1020
hihihi: 249
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23
Post by: vision-quest on Tue, 24 December 2019, 12:40:58
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 24 December 2019, 18:43:35
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December 24, 9:25 ET:
Core Light: 1662
Core Dark: 742
Novelties: 265
Extension: 376
ISO UK: 96
Spacebars: 1020
hihihi: 249
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23
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Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 25 December 2019, 11:48:45
Core Light: 1739
Core Dark: 764
Novelties: 274
Extension: 391
ISO UK: 102
Spacebars: 1062
hihihi: 255
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Wed, 25 December 2019, 12:39:43
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 25 December 2019, 16:46:54
What a crazy amount of support!
Happy holidays everyone.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 25 December 2019, 20:33:09
If you average the number of sales to date it's just over 69 sets per day. Nice.
nice
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 25 December 2019, 22:40:44
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December 25, 12:48 ET:
Core Light: 1739
Core Dark: 764
Novelties: 274
Extension: 391
ISO UK: 102
Spacebars: 1062
hihihi: 255
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23
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Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 26 December 2019, 10:46:51
Core Light: 1828
Core Dark: 794
Novelties: 289
Extension: 407
ISO UK: 106
Spacebars: 1108
hihihi: 271
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23
Post by: jooobe on Thu, 26 December 2019, 11:04:37
Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 26 December 2019, 11:15:37
Holy numbers Batman
Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
With the typical last day surge we usually see, I think this set is going to hit more insane numbers.
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 26 December 2019, 15:13:20
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December 26, 11:47 ET:
Core Light: 1828
Core Dark: 794
Novelties: 289
Extension: 407
ISO UK: 106
Spacebars: 1108
hihihi: 271
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23
Holy numbers Batman
Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
With the typical last day surge we usually see, I think this set is going to hit more insane numbers.
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Post by: jooobe on Thu, 26 December 2019, 15:16:18
Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 26 December 2019, 15:24:29
If you average the number of sales to date it's just over 69 sets per day. Nice.
Even better than that considering Light and Dark are both stand-alone base kits. As of today: (1828 + 794) / 26 = just over 100 sets/day!
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 26 December 2019, 16:33:32
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 26 December 2019, 18:02:53
Post by: LXVRGS on Thu, 26 December 2019, 19:38:48
Does this mean we aren't allowed to troll ISO users anymore?
still gonna send it
Post by: dragnier1 on Thu, 26 December 2019, 21:26:26
waiting is fun ;D
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 27 December 2019, 09:37:40
Core Light: 1910
Core Dark: 826
Novelties: 303
Extension: 430
ISO UK: 107
Spacebars: 1154
hihihi: 281
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23, Zfrontier's numbers are from December 26
Post by: lys.nordique on Fri, 27 December 2019, 10:55:07
Does the high amount of pre-orders set back the estimated shipping date?
Does the selling price change depending of the amount pre ordered?
Post by: mgsickler on Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:05:19
Sorry if it has already been asked.
Does the high amount of pre-orders set back the estimated shipping date?
Does the selling price change depending of the amount pre ordered?
It may push the delivery date back just a little bit. But we wont find out until the order is placed.
There will not be any price drops on the kits.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 27 December 2019, 12:04:11
Sorry if it has already been asked.
Does the high amount of pre-orders set back the estimated shipping date?
Does the selling price change depending of the amount pre ordered?
In general, assume the estimated ship date is a month to 6 weeks early. If all aspects of the color match and QC go well, maybe they'll be a little early.
Both the volume on this set and others probably will contribute to some delays. For instance, GMK Oblivion ran in June, and started to arrive last week. There were some errors in some molds which pushed other sets back out farther. One set which uses 10 colors (handarbeit) will probably be 7.5 months before it ships.
There have been historically busy months which probably haven't had the caps made yet. Dracula and Camping combine for over 4000 base sets and there were several other buys that month, and they're going to be made before Olivia ++.
Here's some perks:
IMHO, novelkeys/mgsickler does as well as anyone in keeping people updated about the process
The set has been made before and getting the color right may go a little easier as there's a gold standard
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 27 December 2019, 17:43:47
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December 27, 10:37 ET:
Core Light: 1910
Core Dark: 826
Novelties: 303
Extension: 430
ISO UK: 107
Spacebars: 1154
hihihi: 281
* ILUMKB's numbers are from December 23, Zfrontier's numbers are from December 26
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Post by: blufury1 on Sat, 28 December 2019, 03:52:52
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 28 December 2019, 05:02:15
Excited and just put in my order. I was wondering why we couldn't include a deskmat in with the set though? I'd love the mat but paying an additional shipping fee thats almost as much as the mat itself puts me off.They are made by different parties at different locations.
GMk is not in the business of making deskmats.
Post by: mgsickler on Sat, 28 December 2019, 06:08:45
Excited and just put in my order. I was wondering why we couldn't include a deskmat in with the set though? I'd love the mat but paying an additional shipping fee thats almost as much as the mat itself puts me off.
The deskpads will be made by a different company, and should have a much earlier ship date. We can't store product waiting for the keycaps, so we had to make them be purchased separately.
Post by: mgsickler on Sat, 28 December 2019, 12:28:07
3 days left!
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 28 December 2019, 13:33:25
Core Light: 2014
Core Dark: 878
Novelties: 318
Extension: 465
ISO UK: 111
Spacebars: 1242
hihihi: 295
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 26
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 28 December 2019, 14:49:03
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December 28, 14:33 ET:
Core Light: 2014
Core Dark: 878
Novelties: 318
Extension: 465
ISO UK: 111
Spacebars: 1242
hihihi: 295
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 26
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Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 29 December 2019, 09:14:14
Core Light: 2067
Core Dark: 899
Novelties: 325
Extension: 478
ISO UK: 113
Spacebars: 1278
hihihi: 303
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 26, ILuMKB's numbers are from December 28
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 29 December 2019, 13:23:00
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December 29, 10:14 ET:
Core Light: 2067
Core Dark: 899
Novelties: 325
Extension: 478
ISO UK: 113
Spacebars: 1278
hihihi: 303
* Zfrontier's numbers are from December 26, ILuMKB's numbers are from December 28
(https://i.imgur.com/RT6nwy6.png)
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Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 30 December 2019, 14:02:08
Core Light: 2286
Core Dark: 1010
Novelties: 369
Extension: 520
ISO UK: 126
Spacebars: 1424
hihihi: 327
* ILuMKB's numbers are from December 28
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 30 December 2019, 15:07:41
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December 29, 15:02 ET:
Core Light: 2286
Core Dark: 1010
Novelties: 369
Extension: 520
ISO UK: 126
Spacebars: 1424
hihihi: 327
* ILuMKB's numbers are from December 28
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Post by: xarkkon on Mon, 30 December 2019, 21:06:16
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 30 December 2019, 21:47:33
Was going to skip this due to bursting my self-imposed keeb budget, but the missus saw the dark theme last night. I think I need to start setting aside another budget just for her now. In for a Dark on the very last day! Go numbers go!
For every SO that's a voice of moderation, there's another who ensures one has GMK peach blossom money.
with extras this is gonna go 4K
Post by: Delo on Tue, 31 December 2019, 00:11:17
Post by: jani80k on Tue, 31 December 2019, 03:11:28
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 31 December 2019, 08:09:41
Core Light: 2525
Core Dark: 1136
Novelties: 415
Extension: 572
ISO UK: 139
Spacebars: 1598
hihihi: 365
* ILuMKB's numbers are from December 28
Post by: mgsickler on Tue, 31 December 2019, 08:42:48
If you want to change your order by adding more kits, please place your new order and then submit a support ticket on our site asking for us to combine the orders. (Deskpads can not be combined with keycaps).
If you wanted to change your kits (example - change from light to dark core). Please go ahead and make your new order with all your kits and then email support asking for us to cancel your original order.
Once the GB closes on our site, it will stay closed. We won't be able to answer support emails instantly, so please do not wait on us to get your order corrected. Example, if you email us asking to add a spacebar kit, but never place the new order, we won't be able to reopen the GB for you. Once it closes, we won't be able to take anymore orders.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 31 December 2019, 13:34:55
Core Light: 2624
Core Dark: 1198
Novelties: 434
Extension: 599
ISO UK: 148
Spacebars: 1673
hihihi: 384
* Parcial update with new numbers from Daily Clack, Mykeyboard and Novelkeys
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 31 December 2019, 15:19:49
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December 31, 14:34 ET:
Core Light: 2624
Core Dark: 1198
Novelties: 434
Extension: 599
ISO UK: 148
Spacebars: 1673
hihihi: 384
* Parcial update with new numbers from Daily Clack, Mykeyboard and Novelkeys
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Post by: suparnemo on Tue, 31 December 2019, 16:37:57
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 31 December 2019, 18:36:45
Post by: Tekniqs on Tue, 31 December 2019, 18:53:07
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 31 December 2019, 19:46:55
Does the base kit have two 2.25 shift keys?
No. Compatibility kit gets you an extra. Buy it and you can sell the rest of the kit for what you paid for it. I bet you can split with someone else too.
Post by: mgsickler on Tue, 31 December 2019, 20:53:50
As long as the GB page is open on my site, you can make an order. I will close it off in the morning.
Happy New Year everyone!
Post by: kontradictions on Tue, 31 December 2019, 21:34:26
https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/deskpads/products/olivia-deskpads
Post by: blizzara01 on Tue, 31 December 2019, 23:24:20
I noticed that the original Olivia deskpads are in stock on Novel Keys. Is this a mistake?No, its really in-stock.
https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/deskpads/products/olivia-deskpads
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 01 January 2020, 07:05:28
Post by: kevinzavier on Wed, 01 January 2020, 14:08:59
Post by: tunadesu on Wed, 01 January 2020, 14:42:01
Can I still get in? I'm sorry I forgot to get it yesterday. I sent you a support ticket novel keys :'(
Cmon man, you had a whole well advertised month.
Post by: kontradictions on Wed, 01 January 2020, 15:29:02
Score!!! I've always loved the original design and was bummed that I missed out on it.I noticed that the original Olivia deskpads are in stock on Novel Keys. Is this a mistake?No, its really in-stock.
https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/deskpads/products/olivia-deskpads
Post by: kevinzavier on Wed, 01 January 2020, 16:08:26
Can I still get in? I'm sorry I forgot to get it yesterday. I sent you a support ticket novel keys :'(
Cmon man, you had a whole well advertised month.
I know, I was so focused on getting the Olivia cable I forgot to buy the actual keys
Post by: itsmartin on Wed, 01 January 2020, 16:46:01
Can I still get in? I'm sorry I forgot to get it yesterday. I sent you a support ticket novel keys :'(
Cmon man, you had a whole well advertised month.
I know, I was so focused on getting the Olivia cable I forgot to buy the actual keys
Looks like some of the non US vendors haven’t taken it down yet, so you could always place an order there and pay the shipping costs.
NovelKeys specifically said in a couple of posts above yours that once it was closed it would stay closed.
If you want it that badly I would order from an international vendor and cop the extra cost as a lesson.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 01 January 2020, 19:09:02
Score!!! I've always loved the original design and was bummed that I missed out on it.I noticed that the original Olivia deskpads are in stock on Novel Keys. Is this a mistake?No, its really in-stock.
https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/deskpads/products/olivia-deskpads
I prefer the original as well, though they're a bit too pink for me.
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 02 January 2020, 20:56:52
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 06 January 2020, 04:33:43
Core Light: 2940
Core Dark: 1370
Novelties: 490
Extension: 690
ISO UK: 158
Spacebars: 1893
hihihi: 435
Post by: fabryrock on Mon, 06 January 2020, 05:13:12
Jk aside gj. But
Now Is the time people Will ask for price cut, embrace yourself ahahaha :))
Post by: stevenT on Mon, 06 January 2020, 06:59:33
Post by: KuroTheCrazy on Mon, 06 January 2020, 08:22:56
:-*can we get a few bonus keycaps in base kit, I am thinking about the symbol on GMK Olivia deskpads round 1
It's a little late for adding keys mate.
Post by: phabulous on Mon, 06 January 2020, 08:23:59
Not even 3k LUL
Jk aside gj. But
Now Is the time people Will ask for price cut, embrace yourself ahahaha :))
It was already super cheap because it was priced at 1000 MOQ.
It's easy to give "discounts" when your MOQ is 250 and your starting price is higher.
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:16:31
Post by: OscillatorSlave on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:22:55
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:25:05
Sorry for the stupid question but as it's my first group buy I'm not sure how this usually works. Is there an estimated date for shipping? I thought I read somewhere it's april but not sure. Will this be announced in this thread, along with any other updates? Also congrats on those numbers! I can't wait.
Late April 2020 is the estimated ship date so you will probably get it around May barring any delays.
Just follow this thread to get any updates. Some times the seller (NovelKeys, Daily Clack, etc) will have updates on their site.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:25:32
Sorry for the stupid question but as it's my first group buy I'm not sure how this usually works. Is there an estimated date for shipping? I thought I read somewhere it's april but not sure. Will this be announced in this thread, along with any other updates? Also congrats on those numbers! I can't wait.
On NovelKeys page it says expected delivery is late April 2020. However, take that with a grain of salt as this set sold an incredible amount of kits along with other GMK sets in production queue.
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 06 January 2020, 11:25:05
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 06 January 2020, 15:17:16
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Final numbers (no extras):
Core Light: 2940
Core Dark: 1370
Novelties: 490
Extension: 690
ISO UK: 158
Spacebars: 1893
hihihi: 435
(https://i.imgur.com/ZWWdEcy.png)
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 06 January 2020, 16:23:39
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 06 January 2020, 17:34:04
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 06 January 2020, 18:23:51
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We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 06 January 2020, 22:08:23
Post by: stevenT on Mon, 06 January 2020, 22:14:08
The hell did the vendors buy an extra thousand for each?
same thought. I really hope QC will be performed properly with this crazy amount.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 06 January 2020, 22:18:53
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 06 January 2020, 23:22:36
The hell did the vendors buy an extra thousand for each?
same thought. I really hope QC will be performed properly with this crazy amount.
Same after all the complaints in the gmk oblivion thread. I also hope shipping isn't too delayed
Post by: forevermadrigal on Mon, 06 January 2020, 23:57:12
Post by: jani80k on Tue, 07 January 2020, 09:19:37
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 07 January 2020, 09:27:06
Still cannot believe why there was no full International Kit on this set...BeCaUsE iT nEvEr HiTs MoQ
Post by: LXVRGS on Tue, 07 January 2020, 09:32:06
Still cannot believe why there was no full International Kit on this set...
i mean 194 iso kits to over 6k base kits is a hilariously low ratio. cant imagine a full international kit doing much better without vendor support.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 07 January 2020, 09:48:02
They don't need to do better, they need to hit MOQ. MOQ is the magic number. That's why it exists. It's a big, bold number set by the runners/vendors/manufacturers so people don't try equate other factors, such as ratio of alt kits to base kits, as anything meaningful. Sales > MOQ good. Sales < MOQ bad.Still cannot believe why there was no full International Kit on this set...
i mean 194 iso kits to over 6k base kits is a hilariously low ratio. cant imagine a full international kit doing much better without vendor support.
Post by: norb on Tue, 07 January 2020, 11:31:25
The hell did the vendors buy an extra thousand for each?
because they can.
GMK sets a price for a MOQ, that is 1000 in this case. now that there are 4000 base kits ordered, the vendors can get a lower price from GMK while we/the customers pay the same amount of money. so there's money left, which results in more base kits getting bought by the vendors. they make more cash with selling more base kits, correct, on your back, correct, but this money can be used to improve the shops and grow or offer better products in the future.
that's basically how capitalism works. there's a chance it'll make things worse for us, the community, but there's also a chance it'll give us more opportunities in the future.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 07 January 2020, 11:59:59
I think its a good thing for the community for sure. I think its pretty idiotic when people get in these threads *****ing and moaning about people buying extra sets for reselling, and then its just crickets when a vendor stocks up on kits to sell past groupbuy. Whatever, I'm thankful for people holding stock for others after the groupbuy has run, be it a vendor or a 3rd party. There are people who are going to want this set in a few months that will have no means of obtaining it, and the extra stock will change that.The hell did the vendors buy an extra thousand for each?
because they can.
GMK sets a price for a MOQ, that is 1000 in this case. now that there are 4000 base kits ordered, the vendors can get a lower price from GMK while we/the customers pay the same amount of money. so there's money left, which results in more base kits getting bought by the vendors. they make more cash with selling more base kits, correct, on your back, correct, but this money can be used to improve the shops and grow or offer better products in the future.
that's basically how capitalism works. there's a chance it'll make things worse for us, the community, but there's also a chance it'll give us more opportunities in the future.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 07 January 2020, 22:12:06
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 07 January 2020, 22:13:58
The hell did the vendors buy an extra thousand for each?
because they can.
GMK sets a price for a MOQ, that is 1000 in this case. now that there are 4000 base kits ordered, the vendors can get a lower price from GMK while we/the customers pay the same amount of money. so there's money left, which results in more base kits getting bought by the vendors. they make more cash with selling more base kits, correct, on your back, correct, but this money can be used to improve the shops and grow or offer better products in the future.
that's basically how capitalism works. there's a chance it'll make things worse for us, the community, but there's also a chance it'll give us more opportunities in the future.
I'm not saying they couldn't / shouldn't, I'm just surprised as it's the first time a vendor has bought this many extras. The more the merrier. Lol geekhack sure has a lot of preachers
Post by: HandiHanyut on Tue, 07 January 2020, 22:29:00
Post by: eggplant-chan- on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:14:12
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:39:31
i'm so sad i barely missed this :(If the vendors bought a **** ton of kits at the end you'll most likely be able to pick up extras after the initial ones ship
Post by: eggplant-chan- on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:47:39
Music to my ears ;Di'm so sad i barely missed this :(If the vendors bought a **** ton of kits at the end you'll most likely be able to pick up extras after the initial ones ship
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 08 January 2020, 17:20:31
i'm so sad i barely missed this :(If the vendors bought a **** ton of kits at the end you'll most likely be able to pick up extras after the initial ones ship
One for everyone and their grandma
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 13 January 2020, 07:56:15
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 13 January 2020, 09:52:08
when can we expect this to ship? And the deskmats to ship?
Currently keycaps are set to ship in late April/May. Deskpads are set to ship out in March.
You can stay up to date here - https://novelkeys.xyz/pages/updates
Post by: MrToothHurty on Fri, 17 January 2020, 23:24:04
Post by: olsen34 on Sat, 18 January 2020, 00:14:58
Here is to hoping I'm one of those luck souls that can come across this set somewhere in the future. I was out of the country for a month without reliable access to the internet, so I literally could not purchase this set. I got back to the US today and was able to purchase the RAMA M60-A Olivia while in the airport. I was hoping I would be able to buy the set at checkout for the M60, but no luck. Heck, even having that enter cap would be pretty awesome considering it mirrors the back plate on the board. Awesome set, congrats to everyone that was able to get their hands on these caps.
There will be a flood of GMK Olivia on mechmarket (aftermarket sale), don't worry.
Post by: itsmartin on Sat, 18 January 2020, 00:16:05
Post by: Hesi on Tue, 04 February 2020, 22:31:40
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 06 February 2020, 01:49:11
Here is to hoping I'm one of those luck souls that can come across this set somewhere in the future. I was out of the country for a month without reliable access to the internet, so I literally could not purchase this set. I got back to the US today and was able to purchase the RAMA M60-A Olivia while in the airport. I was hoping I would be able to buy the set at checkout for the M60, but no luck. Heck, even having that enter cap would be pretty awesome considering it mirrors the back plate on the board. Awesome set, congrats to everyone that was able to get their hands on these caps.
extras were ordered you'll be fine
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 30 March 2020, 19:29:58
I would also like to know if designers and vendors have filed their complaints to GMK on the latest quality issues. I'm guessing they probably know about the crooked stems anx weird legends by now.
Post by: itsmartin on Mon, 30 March 2020, 19:32:53
There were approx 10 sets/month at the end of last year and this one ran in December.
In my mind Im targeting a Q4 date, personally.
Post by: keimura on Mon, 30 March 2020, 19:36:46
https://novelkeys.xyz/pages/updates
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 30 March 2020, 19:59:12
In my mind Im targeting a Q4 date, personally.
Bet you're right. Camping production possibly beginning in a month, Dracula still in color matching. Lots of sets, many with huge numbers. (Same could be said of Covid. Huh. I think it's time for GMK Virus...)
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 05 April 2020, 03:24:35
Anyone know the expected shipping date or whether GMK is close to finishing these?
I would also like to know if designers and vendors have filed their complaints to GMK on the latest quality issues. I'm guessing they probably know about the crooked stems anx weird legends by now.
Disappointing to hear that. Such expensive sets with issues. Hate the new packaging too.
Post by: aodaliya1234 on Tue, 21 April 2020, 07:59:23
GMK wont even be close to starting these. Theyve recently shipped 8008, which ran in August.
There were approx 10 sets/month at the end of last year and this one ran in December.
In my mind Im targeting a Q4 date, personally.
big yikes, lets hope gmk work faster, surely with all this revenue they would get more machines knowing there's still a **** load of production to be done
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 21 April 2020, 13:52:12
We all ***** about delays, but imperfections in stem alignment and icon mod quality issues are gonna be with us for a long time. I bet many in the Hiragana WoB thread would have rather waited 6 more weeks and gotten keys of better quality.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 21 April 2020, 14:54:25
GMK Andy said they were gonna get a new machine, but his description of their workflow was pretty reliant on personnel and thats limited right now more than ever. Theyre also stuck on some sets not getting the raw materials in a timely fashion so delays can be extrinsic. Fall behind on color matching and get behind other sets and you get the delays like with GMK Peaches and Cream which closed august 1st even though I think Rensuya works promptly to get colors right.
We all ***** about delays, but imperfections in stem alignment and icon mod quality issues are gonna be with us for a long time. I bet many in the Hiragana WoB thread would have rather waited 6 more weeks and gotten keys of better quality.
Plus we all seem to forget that were going through a pandemic.
Pandemics affect GMK just like they would with any company, I'd rather they stay healthy and work a do-able pace than have overworked personnel.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 21 April 2020, 18:47:27
GMK Andy said they were gonna get a new machine, but his description of their workflow was pretty reliant on personnel and thats limited right now more than ever. Theyre also stuck on some sets not getting the raw materials in a timely fashion so delays can be extrinsic. Fall behind on color matching and get behind other sets and you get the delays like with GMK Peaches and Cream which closed august 1st even though I think Rensuya works promptly to get colors right.
We all ***** about delays, but imperfections in stem alignment and icon mod quality issues are gonna be with us for a long time. I bet many in the Hiragana WoB thread would have rather waited 6 more weeks and gotten keys of better quality.
Plus we all seem to forget that were going through a pandemic.
Pandemics affect GMK just like they would with any company, I'd rather they stay healthy and work a do-able pace than have overworked personnel.
between you and me, i wouldn't consider keycaps essential, so i think this is the correct take
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 22 April 2020, 01:42:14
Post by: LevelSteam on Wed, 22 April 2020, 08:50:05
Just curious, if GMK just checks the mold once wouldn't all batches turn out correct? I'm making this assumption based on the fact that each gmk set have its own unique and consistent problems (e.g gmk olive the u-i-o are the most crooked). I just don't see why this is difficult or time consuming quality control.
It all depends on their production methods. You could check a mold once and have something come out of alignment during production that would cause issues with the portion of sets made. Hopefully we won't run into any issues, especially with how big this order was, but that's also where QC is supposed to come in and prevent substandard keys from shipping before replacements can be made. It's not necessarily difficult, but it is time consuming to ensure that many kits are all up to snuff and expensive to fix if they're not, so we'll just have to wait and see how GMK handles this set compared to other recent ones with QC issues.
Post by: Zaum.Tech on Mon, 27 April 2020, 11:28:10
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 27 April 2020, 18:50:50
Considering how strinct the lockdown here in Germany is, I would expect longer delays on every GMK run right now, especially on larger GB like Olivia ++ or Modo Light, since it will take them a way longer time to quality control the sets.
Pretty sure there will be long delays
Some GMK sets are looking at 10-12 months production lead time
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on Tue, 28 April 2020, 17:47:37
I hope there will be extras.
Post by: Namikaze on Tue, 28 April 2020, 18:51:56
Post by: tunadesu on Tue, 28 April 2020, 18:55:36
I lost my original Olivia set.
I hope there will be extras.
Have you checked under your dogs' bed?
Post by: 8idl on Tue, 28 April 2020, 18:57:44
Post by: NOLA on Tue, 28 April 2020, 19:03:16
Considering how strinct the lockdown here in Germany is, I would expect longer delays on every GMK run right now, especially on larger GB like Olivia ++ or Modo Light, since it will take them a way longer time to quality control the sets.
Yeah, I think NK ordered some 6k plus sets. There will be plenty of extras, but will may not see it till late June-July at the earliest.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 28 April 2020, 20:45:32
Considering how strinct the lockdown here in Germany is, I would expect longer delays on every GMK run right now, especially on larger GB like Olivia ++ or Modo Light, since it will take them a way longer time to quality control the sets.
Yeah, I think NK ordered some 6k plus sets. There will be plenty of extras, but will may not see it till late June-July at the earliest.
for some reason i missed that part and was confused and holy **** you're right
We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 28 April 2020, 22:24:03
Post by: mrpetrov on Tue, 28 April 2020, 23:22:26
Damn, I didn't realize this pulled these numbers. So NovelKeys potentially just made hundreds of thousands of dollars off of ONE keyset?
what?
Post by: itsmartin on Tue, 28 April 2020, 23:25:38
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 29 April 2020, 06:15:06
I think he's confusing revenue with profit.
That's $673,530 for just the base kits. I'd imagine they are pulling a healthy profit.
Post by: itsmartin on Wed, 29 April 2020, 06:53:20
I'll caveat this with I have absolutely no idea of the margins of keycap sets, but when you consider that cost of goods from GMK make up a decent chunk, as they want some profit in making the keycaps, and then there are also five vendors running it across the globe that are sharing in those total sales... That number quickly comes down.
I am 100% certain that NK have done OK out of this particular run, but unless the margin on keycaps is way higher than I thought they're not in the hundreds of thousands range.
Edit: Discussing vendor profits seems a little off colour so thats it on that subject from me.
Still haven't worked out just what I'm going to put this on... I'm hoping to pick up a Rose Gold board for my partner and I think this would pair well.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:46:15
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:50:07
Edit: Discussing vendor profits seems a little off colour so thats it on that subject from me.
You're probably right, wrong thread for something like this, it just kinda blew me away with these numbers.
Can't wait to pair this set with my white TX-66.
Post by: NOLA on Wed, 29 April 2020, 17:04:49
Can't wait to pair this with matte black Cypher.Edit: Discussing vendor profits seems a little off colour so thats it on that subject from me.
You're probably right, wrong thread for something like this, it just kinda blew me away with these numbers.
Can't wait to pair this set with my white TX-66.
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Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 01 May 2020, 22:13:41
Post by: LevelSteam on Sat, 02 May 2020, 13:03:53
Just curious what people's plans are for their GMK Olivia sets (particularly the Light set) - what board/case colour are you planning to use it on?
I've got a Grid600 with a DZ60rgb V2 and some halo clears all locked and ready to go whenever it shows up.
Post by: RobbyRobsen on Mon, 04 May 2020, 04:28:31
Just curious what people's plans are for their GMK Olivia sets (particularly the Light set) - what board/case colour are you planning to use it on?
KBD19X (black case, brass plate) & the light kit. However I ordered the "pinkish" deskmat, not the grey one and now I'm having second thoughts about it, 'cause I think the grey one might fit better (on a white desk) :-\
Post by: Jonathan0903 on Thu, 07 May 2020, 07:22:49
KBD19X (black case, brass plate) & the light kit. However I ordered the "pinkish" deskmat, not the grey one and now I'm having second thoughts about it, 'cause I think the grey one might fit better (on a white desk) :-\
aaaaand. they're out :(
Post by: RobbyRobsen on Fri, 08 May 2020, 01:36:59
Post by: mariowo on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:45:55
Post by: LXVRGS on Sat, 09 May 2020, 15:20:19
Will the set go on sale again?
when the extras go on sale after all the gb orders have shipped
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 14 May 2020, 11:56:49
Post by: phinix on Fri, 15 May 2020, 07:45:04
Current estimate from GMK is that these will ship out mid to late July.Cool!
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 May 2020, 13:22:57
Current estimate from GMK is that these will ship out mid to late July.
thanks dad
Post by: NOLA on Fri, 15 May 2020, 14:49:48
Damn. lolCurrent estimate from GMK is that these will ship out mid to late July.
thanks dad
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Sat, 16 May 2020, 20:04:07
Post by: AhsanU on Sun, 17 May 2020, 08:03:30
Damn. lolCurrent estimate from GMK is that these will ship out mid to late July.
thanks dad
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Damn indeed.
I recently got into how amazing mechanical keyboards can be and was coveting the opportunity to get an extra set of the Olivia++. Patience is not my strong suit, ughhh.
Post by: solomonshv on Sat, 23 May 2020, 21:16:33
Whatever, I'm thankful for people holding stock for others after the groupbuy has run, be it a vendor or a 3rd party.
this! i wish more people bought extra caps to resell. i only recently got into the hobby and wouldn't mind giving someone some extra money for an older kit that i was not around for. i really want an olivia or cafe kit for my future 7V build. i was not around for either of those GBs
Post by: Hanabi on Fri, 05 June 2020, 00:24:40
this! i wish more people bought extra caps to resell. i only recently got into the hobby and wouldn't mind giving someone some extra money for an older kit that i was not around for. i really want an olivia or cafe kit for my future 7V build. i was not around for either of those GBs
Got into this hobby not too long ago as well. I do believe you'll still be able to get extras pf olivia and cafe from vendors. However they usually go out pretty quick so you'll have to keep an eye out for them.
Post by: solomonshv on Fri, 05 June 2020, 10:22:45
We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
6.1K+ base sets but less than 200 ISO kits. even a set of keys that just say "hi" outsold it 4 to 1. and yet, people still wonder why many GBs don't offer ISO at all :/
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 05 June 2020, 15:05:23
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Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 07 June 2020, 10:07:55
Damn indeed. I hope at least the quality is good because it's been going downhill...
Tru dat, current GMK quality is shady AF
Post by: Scriba on Mon, 08 June 2020, 04:25:49
Post by: jamster on Mon, 08 June 2020, 04:49:29
We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
6.1K+ base sets but less than 200 ISO kits. even a set of keys that just say "hi" outsold it 4 to 1. and yet, people still wonder why many GBs don't offer ISO at all :/
That was a pretty damn good point. Only 3% of kits in the biggest keycap GB ever included people who were prepared to stump up money for ISO support.
Yet ISO seems like the single most commonly requested feature of any GB.
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 08 June 2020, 06:33:26
We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
6.1K+ base sets but less than 200 ISO kits. even a set of keys that just say "hi" outsold it 4 to 1. and yet, people still wonder why many GBs don't offer ISO at all :/
That was a pretty damn good point. Only 3% of kits in the biggest keycap GB ever included people who were prepared to stump up money for ISO support.
Yet ISO seems like the single most commonly requested feature of any GB.
The minority have a loud voice.
That being said, ISO still has it's place.
Can't say the same for some other kits though. I'm looking at you smol bois
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 08 June 2020, 06:55:41
We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
6.1K+ base sets but less than 200 ISO kits. even a set of keys that just say "hi" outsold it 4 to 1. and yet, people still wonder why many GBs don't offer ISO at all :/
That was a pretty damn good point. Only 3% of kits in the biggest keycap GB ever included people who were prepared to stump up money for ISO support.
Yet ISO seems like the single most commonly requested feature of any GB.
The minority have a loud voice.
That being said, ISO still has it's place.
Can't say the same for some other kits though. I'm looking at you smol bois
What are you smoking? Extension sold way more than ISO.
And that despite it not being a great 40s kit in the first place and GMK being a pretty bum deal for 40s users in general.
Post by: honoka on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:03:51
the vote-with-your-wallet scheme skews the numbers.
no norde, no monays
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:47:52
We got asked to share this, so here are totals with extras.
Core Light: 4042
Core Dark: 2081
Novelties: 777
Extension: 1006
ISO UK: 194
Spacebars: 2705
hihihi: 726
Thank you again everyone who joined. This GB has broken all records.
6.1K+ base sets but less than 200 ISO kits. even a set of keys that just say "hi" outsold it 4 to 1. and yet, people still wonder why many GBs don't offer ISO at all :/
That was a pretty damn good point. Only 3% of kits in the biggest keycap GB ever included people who were prepared to stump up money for ISO support.
Yet ISO seems like the single most commonly requested feature of any GB.
The minority have a loud voice.
That being said, ISO still has it's place.
Can't say the same for some other kits though. I'm looking at you smol bois
hot take. guess you must have missed that 1006 is more than 5 times 194
Post by: phinix on Tue, 14 July 2020, 04:55:55
Still end of July?
Post by: Aerizu on Tue, 14 July 2020, 05:08:35
What's the word on the street?
Still end of July?
According to NovelKeys, they're expecting to receive them by late August to early September.
I'm not sure if it's the same for other vendors.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 14 July 2020, 05:35:41
What's the word on the street?
Still end of July?
According to NovelKeys, they're expecting to receive them by late August to early September.
I'm not sure if it's the same for other vendors.
Daim, that's another delay then :rolleyes:
Post by: Shikada on Tue, 14 July 2020, 05:39:04
Post by: honoka on Tue, 14 July 2020, 05:49:33
Why is there no official word here about delays?Because they already have your money
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 14 July 2020, 06:31:39
Why is there no official word here about delays?
Pretty sure that the GB page where you joined should have a delay message. Honestly, if you join a GB you should always just expect perpetual delays. It's a thing, especially in a global pandemic situation.
Post by: mgsickler on Tue, 14 July 2020, 07:49:31
Why is there no official word here about delays?Because they already have your money
I try to post updates here as often I as can. But sometimes I am not able to remember. That is why we have an updates page on our site.
Post by: Shikada on Tue, 14 July 2020, 09:13:09
Delays in these times are completely reasonable.
Not trying to single out the official NK representative here. But I think the group buy runner has been silent for a long time. A short message stating the expected delay is not a lot to ask for.
This is the group buy that broke all records, but this thread has been more silent than most meme sets out there SMH
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 14 July 2020, 11:46:30
Hey, I know how group buys work, don't worry :)
Delays in these times are completely reasonable.
Not trying to single out the official NK representative here. But I think the group buy runner has been silent for a long time. A short message stating the expected delay is not a lot to ask for.
This is the group buy that broke all records, but this thread has been more silent than most meme sets out there SMH
I don't know why you are focused on this thread when they have a status page on their website and a newsletter. They also post on Reddit.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 14 July 2020, 12:17:30
Hey, I know how group buys work, don't worry :)
Delays in these times are completely reasonable.
Not trying to single out the official NK representative here. But I think the group buy runner has been silent for a long time. A short message stating the expected delay is not a lot to ask for.
This is the group buy that broke all records, but this thread has been more silent than most meme sets out there SMH
I don't know why you are focused on this thread when they have a status page on their website and a newsletter. They also post on Reddit.
I mean...It is in the rules. If they created the thread, they should provide updates in it as well. I don't blame Mike, he's running a whole business and is excellent at providing updates on his own storefront. But maybe the designer's of each set should pop in from time to time and let participants know how things are going, even if it's just an echo from the same info on NK's site. Otherwise, why even make a thread? Unless you're a fan of interactive advertisements or something.
"- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales. Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else. Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues."
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 14 July 2020, 13:06:39
if you're shocked about delays in a coronavirus world i want whatever you're smoking
Post by: Shikada on Tue, 14 July 2020, 16:45:58
I don't know why you are focused on this thread when they have a status page on their website and a newsletter. They also post on Reddit.
This isn't about NovelKeys, I was calling out the group buy runner here, not one of the vendors. I bought this set from mykeyboard, they have no updates, ever, which is a separate issue.
if you think you can do a better job, i'll wait for y'all to post your own gbs
if you're shocked about delays in a coronavirus world i want whatever you're smoking
Way to miss the point and contribute nothing to the conversation. I even said that delays are completely reasonable. This is not why I'm complaining.
Just to be clear, my complaint is against the group buy runner/designer. Olivia started this GB thread, but I hear that Zambumon is actually running the show. Whoever it is they're doing a poor job of keeping us in the loop. This is the second delay that happened with no response from either of them. I don't think a simple "Hey guys, delays as expected, see you end of August" is unreasonable to expect. Isn't that how it's supposed to be done in GB threads? Then I can say, yeah, sure, stupid coronavirus, time to wait some more and move on with my day.
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 14 July 2020, 17:00:54
time to wait some more and move on with my day.
Good idea. :thumb:
Post by: lonalde on Wed, 15 July 2020, 16:16:10
Post by: whykayallday on Mon, 20 July 2020, 02:05:33
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 20 July 2020, 18:23:13
I'm more concerned with the QC of GMK, hope Olivia++ won't suffer the same fate as 9009 or WoB or First Love or Cafe(just saw it). Hell I hope it won't suffer Alter's fate.
Post by: xkhol on Mon, 20 July 2020, 21:11:04
I'm personally completely ok with the delays, given how GBs run into issues even in pre-Covid-19 times. Delays are to be expected.Whats been happening with GMK? Im out of the loop here.
I'm more concerned with the QC of GMK, hope Olivia++ won't suffer the same fate as 9009 or WoB or First Love or Cafe(just saw it). Hell I hope it won't suffer Alter's fate.
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Post by: jedidood on Tue, 21 July 2020, 14:41:01
I'm personally completely ok with the delays, given how GBs run into issues even in pre-Covid-19 times. Delays are to be expected.What’s been happening with GMK? I’m out of the loop here.
I'm more concerned with the QC of GMK, hope Olivia++ won't suffer the same fate as 9009 or WoB or First Love or Cafe(just saw it). Hell I hope it won't suffer Alter's fate.
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Mostly color matching issues, and some have banana space bar. Correct me if I am wrong.
Post by: catamscott on Wed, 22 July 2020, 15:03:04
I don't know why you are focused on this thread when they have a status page on their website and a newsletter. They also post on Reddit.
This isn't about NovelKeys, I was calling out the group buy runner here, not one of the vendors. I bought this set from mykeyboard, they have no updates, ever, which is a separate issue.if you think you can do a better job, i'll wait for y'all to post your own gbs
if you're shocked about delays in a coronavirus world i want whatever you're smoking
Way to miss the point and contribute nothing to the conversation. I even said that delays are completely reasonable. This is not why I'm complaining.
Just to be clear, my complaint is against the group buy runner/designer. Olivia started this GB thread, but I hear that Zambumon is actually running the show. Whoever it is they're doing a poor job of keeping us in the loop. This is the second delay that happened with no response from either of them. I don't think a simple "Hey guys, delays as expected, see you end of August" is unreasonable to expect. Isn't that how it's supposed to be done in GB threads? Then I can say, yeah, sure, stupid coronavirus, time to wait some more and move on with my day.
afaik the vendors are the ones who put in the orders with gmk, and beyond that stage of the gb the designers aren't really involved anymore. i personally think it makes a little more sense for the vendors to be the ones to keep everyone up to date as they're the ones who actually have the orders in with gmk and will all be in unique situations after the point that the keysets begin to ship. i think that the rule for op's posting updates every two weeks (or whatever that timeframe is) was primarily designed with keyboard gb's in mind, where the runner is the only one with a channel of communication to a factory that they've put an order in with. that said, in the early stages during production it does suck to have to sift through each vendors' updates to see what the status is, and it would be nice if there was a better way to have some unified updates, but given the way gb's work i understand why there often aren't.
Post by: solomonshv on Sat, 25 July 2020, 02:29:15
What’s been happening with GMK? I’m out of the loop here.
Mostly color matching issues, and some have banana space bar. Correct me if I am wrong.
the banana space bars have been around a while. my 2 mizu sets have bent space bars. not as horrendous as some of the 9009 space bars i've seen, but also not any better than the $25 aliexpress PBT kits i have. i know the GMK faithful will come at me with pitchforks for saying this, but it's true. having said that, i'll probably still buy an olivia extra
Post by: LevelSteam on Sun, 26 July 2020, 05:13:25
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 28 July 2020, 18:18:30
God I'm nervous about the QC issues too. I'm currently waiting on this, Dracula, Ashes, and Black Lotus, but it seems like every day I'm seeing more bad news about GMK sets having QC issues.....
I sold my GMK Olive due to mediocre color matching and crooked stems on several keys. They really need to step up their game.
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 05 August 2020, 13:09:51
Post by: chriszhu on Wed, 05 August 2020, 13:41:11
GMK has completed production on these! We expect to receive our sets in about 2-3 weeks.
Woot!
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 August 2020, 15:11:54
Post by: 3ambutter on Wed, 05 August 2020, 18:13:26
Post by: YouGotRioted on Thu, 06 August 2020, 03:44:17
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 August 2020, 04:45:49
Oh no, I bought the spacebar kit too...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/b0/7f/ecb07f912670b91bbf714bb6d8053f8e.jpg)
Post by: Missingnumber on Thu, 06 August 2020, 21:35:19
pls no warped spacebare. pls no warped spacebar. pls no warped spacebar.
I just got my GMK Phospherus set, and there were no issues at all that I could tell. The space bars were certainly straight. These sets were manufactured at about the same time.
Post by: ackzot on Thu, 06 August 2020, 21:52:04
pls no warped spacebare. pls no warped spacebar. pls no warped spacebar.
I just got my GMK Phospherus set, and there were no issues at all that I could tell. The space bars were certainly straight. These sets were manufactured at about the same time.
that's encouraging. so far warped space bars in 9009 and Cafe for me. praying for no warped space bars in olivia.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Thu, 06 August 2020, 23:02:30
GMK has completed production on these! We expect to receive our sets in about 2-3 weeks.
Yay
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Thu, 06 August 2020, 23:03:09
pls no warped spacebare. pls no warped spacebar. pls no warped spacebar.
I just got my GMK Phospherus set, and there were no issues at all that I could tell. The space bars were certainly straight. These sets were manufactured at about the same time.
that's encouraging. so far warped space bars in 9009 and Cafe for me. praying for no warped space bars in olivia.
I can tolerate some warp on spacebars but please no crooked stems on alphas like GMK Olive
Post by: hyppialonso on Fri, 07 August 2020, 00:15:32
Post by: vi0till on Fri, 07 August 2020, 00:18:48
Hmmpls no warped spacebare. pls no warped spacebar. pls no warped spacebar.
I just got my GMK Phospherus set, and there were no issues at all that I could tell. The space bars were certainly straight. These sets were manufactured at about the same time.
that's encouraging. so far warped space bars in 9009 and Cafe for me. praying for no warped space bars in olivia.
I can tolerate some warp on spacebars but please no crooked stems on alphas like GMK Olive
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Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Sat, 08 August 2020, 05:17:36
Post by: norb on Sat, 08 August 2020, 05:27:39
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Sat, 08 August 2020, 05:37:19
there will literally be a thousand extras bruh.
Oh nice. I'm not aware, i just saw people talking about it in Discord. Excited to get it together with GMk Phosphorus ;D
Post by: bobgr8 on Sat, 08 August 2020, 12:40:19
Will GMK provide new spacebar for those who got theirs warped?Or just no compensation for that?
Track 9009, and Cafe.
9009 warping issues were brought to light in June and there has been no resolution, and more or less silence from GMK. So any compensation seems very unlikely to me.
Post by: whitty on Sat, 08 August 2020, 13:17:11
Lmao hey bud, both of those sets are in the process of getting a resolution from GMKWill GMK provide new spacebar for those who got theirs warped?Or just no compensation for that?
Track 9009, and Cafe.
9009 warping issues were brought to light in June and there has been no resolution, and more or less silence from GMK. So any compensation seems very unlikely to me.
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Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 09 August 2020, 05:05:45
Legending issues have been discarded by Janglad, only warped spacebars were being discussed with GMK (as per dixie's newletter, coz he's been silent on Geekhack)
Lmao for QC, accountability and communication
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Sun, 09 August 2020, 05:50:24
Post by: fabijolo on Sun, 09 August 2020, 11:32:49
Most of the time when people talk about warped Keycaps, it only affects PBT Keycaps.
Would you guys happen to know if Olivia & Phosphorus does have warped keys?
Post by: Quteno on Sun, 09 August 2020, 12:32:25
No, at least from my experience/as far as I know, GMK Keycaps usually don't warp, due to them being produced with abs plastic.Well you need an update to your knowledge then, recent sets released by GMK had warped keycaps, so it's not PBT issue only at this point.
Most of the time when people talk about warped Keycaps, it only affects PBT Keycaps.
And to the original question, nobody knows about Olivia yet but the vendors who received the keycaps.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 09 August 2020, 20:10:00
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Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 09 August 2020, 20:11:23
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Mon, 10 August 2020, 01:12:29
No, at least from my experience/as far as I know, GMK Keycaps usually don't warp, due to them being produced with abs plastic.Well you need an update to your knowledge then, recent sets released by GMK had warped keycaps, so it's not PBT issue only at this point.
Most of the time when people talk about warped Keycaps, it only affects PBT Keycaps.
And to the original question, nobody knows about Olivia yet but the vendors who received the keycaps.
I see. dang. I hope they get new molds and whatnot. SMH
Post by: poodude on Mon, 10 August 2020, 22:20:55
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Tue, 11 August 2020, 03:30:52
I have GMK Phosphorous and they are not warped. Also, ABS can warp fairly easily. This is why it's not used as much in 3D printing because you need a heated build chamber to prevent warping from occurring. I'm not sure how the effect applies in injection molding, but my guess would be if they're taken out of the mold too early before they've completely cooled down the edges can lift up. This happens because ABS shrinks as it cools (about 8%).
Great! Thanks you bro.
I'm getting them GMK Olivia++ & Phosphorus on Monday. Hopefully there will be no delays.
Post by: Windeh on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:09:47
Left to right:
Olivia++ Dark, Olivia++ Light, Carbon R2 Boneyard, Space Cadet True Cadet, Nautilus Spacebars.
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Post by: gordonderp on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:11:39
A selection of 6.25u spacebars.\
Left to right:
Olivia++ Dark, Olivia++ Light, Carbon R2 Boneyard, Space Cadet True Cadet, Nautilus Spacebars.
(Attachment Link)
Oof
Post by: Sycomore on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:17:30
A selection of 6.25u spacebars.
Left to right:
Olivia++ Dark, Olivia++ Light, Carbon R2 Boneyard, Space Cadet True Cadet, Nautilus Spacebars.
(Attachment Link)
Major riiiiiipppp. Guess the only way to get straight Olivia spacebars is to shell out the 400-500usd for original run
Post by: vi0till on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:24:26
A selection of 6.25u spacebars.Does warping is more common to 6.25u spacebar?
Left to right:
Olivia++ Dark, Olivia++ Light, Carbon R2 Boneyard, Space Cadet True Cadet, Nautilus Spacebars.
(Attachment Link)
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Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:25:23
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Post by: nappis on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:36:00
Post by: mathewC on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:37:26
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Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:37:45
Post by: nappis on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:44:13
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
Post by: Kerasan on Wed, 12 August 2020, 08:05:37
I think for the moment it is the case to stop and not buy further sets. And I say that I have only collected 19 of gmk
Post by: pwade3 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 09:07:42
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
Post by: delrn on Wed, 12 August 2020, 09:15:21
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
GMK should be expected to cover shipping IMO.
Post by: pwade3 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 09:23:21
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
GMK should be expected to cover shipping IMO.
Either way, just by throwing shipping costs into the equation, I think we've strayed pretty far away from a "simple" solution.
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 12 August 2020, 09:30:17
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 12 August 2020, 10:20:43
However, here is a picture of unused Olivia R1 spacebars. 7u on left, 6u on right.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577819733642969119/743125048361222144/image0.jpg)
This is not a new thing, but something that is just now being more noticed.
Post by: Missingnumber on Wed, 12 August 2020, 10:45:59
We are actively looking into this - but we have NOT received our kits. We have already been in communication with GMK about spacebars, and are actively talking to them.
However, here is a picture of unused Olivia R1 spacebars. 7u on left, 6u on right.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577819733642969119/743125048361222144/image0.jpg)
This is not a new thing, but something that is just now being more noticed.
Looking at these images, none of them look too bad. Since one side is held down, these photos show double the extra height that would occur on either side when mounted. It would be good to know the manufacturer's tolerances for transparency's sake. None of my GMK sets have this issue, including the very recent Phospherus, so it might not be a very common occurrence. But I could just be lucky.
Regardless, I've got PBT sets with worse bending that I've never noticed once they're on the board, so I'm not too concerned. I can understand why others are though, given GMK's cost.
Post by: titanium on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:04:33
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
Thank you. Most of the pitchforkers don't seem to understand that vendors need to survive and shipping out of pocket with no profit is not a good way of doing that.
Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:14:22
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
Thank you. Most of the pitchforkers don't seem to understand that vendors need to survive and shipping out of pocket with no profit is not a good way of doing that.
GMK quite literally tells customers to **** off and talk to Vendors for any issue. The vendors arent doing this out of the goodwill of their heart, its a business, and they are here to make a profit. This profit is the result of the risk they take. Precisely to cover issues like this.
No one here wishes any harm, NovelKeys has had very good customer service from what Ive read.
Further customers may be expected to pay for shipping, Syrup labs provided replacement Spacebars provided people pay for shipping.
Let us wait for the set to ship first, till then lets wait.
Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:21:14
We are actively looking into this - but we have NOT received our kits. We have already been in communication with GMK about spacebars, and are actively talking to them.
However, here is a picture of unused Olivia R1 spacebars. 7u on left, 6u on right.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577819733642969119/743125048361222144/image0.jpg)
This is not a new thing, but something that is just now being more noticed.
That 7u is so straight! My gmk 9009 7u is warped as much as epbt 7u
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:31:15
https://imgur.com/a/IlETZVT
Post by: mathewC on Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:36:12
here is an album of 20 various 7u spacebars i've put together. some have been on boards and used for a year, some are unused. I did test the otherwise unused ones and I did not have a single issue with any spacebar.No issues as in fitting them on boards? Thats great to hear actually, will it not make it feel more scratchy because it might put more force on the stems of the stabs to the sides of the stab housing?
https://imgur.com/a/IlETZVT
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:44:16
here is an album of 20 various 7u spacebars i've put together. some have been on boards and used for a year, some are unused. I did test the otherwise unused ones and I did not have a single issue with any spacebar.No issues as in fitting them on boards? Thats great to hear actually, will it not make it feel more scratchy because it might put more force on the stems of the stabs to the sides of the stab housing?
https://imgur.com/a/IlETZVT
no issues at all.
keep in mind that the stab inserts also have a bit of leeway with fitment/how deep into the stab mounts they can go. i would love to see how many "warped beyond belief" spacebars actually have issues. I know there have been a few which do cause binding/clicking issues, but I would guess that 90-95% of the "warped" spacebars are perfectly fine. It would be nice to see the specific tolerances that GMK uses when determining how warped a key can be. I'm thinking it's coming from the cooling portion of the injection molding process, where the top (solid) portion of the spacebar is cooling too quickly and shrinking, causing the warp in general.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:51:55
Id watch 20 reviews of new GMK cap trays while you were at it
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 12 August 2020, 14:02:35
Hiney, the WoB one you showed is about as bad as some of the bent ones Ive seen.new WOB one is pretty bad yea. but it works fine on a board.
Id watch 20 reviews of new GMK cap trays while you were at it
Post by: ackzot on Wed, 12 August 2020, 14:46:02
here is an album of 20 various 7u spacebars i've put together. some have been on boards and used for a year, some are unused. I did test the otherwise unused ones and I did not have a single issue with any spacebar.
https://imgur.com/a/IlETZVT
Thanks for the images. A lot of your space bars illustrate the expectation I had on GMK space bars. My Jamon is not warped. Your example of the newer Drop WoB is the experience I have with 9009 R3 and Cafe.
My cafe 7u mounts my stab. doesn't ride up, but will click slightly on one side until i hit the other side and get a slight click there.
regardless, nice to see spacebars from other sets.
Post by: phlux on Wed, 12 August 2020, 15:13:40
Really hoping this won't be the case with the various GMK sets I have coming in.
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Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 15:37:15
(https://i.imgur.com/u93bxs5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SbX684R.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/YRkDQlh
A = ePBT, B= GMK https://i.imgur.com/X1aQ6nQ.jpg
Which one is supposed to be straight again? ;D
FYI both my 9009 and ePBT spacebars cause rattle.
Post by: 3ambutter on Wed, 12 August 2020, 16:04:10
Post by: norb on Wed, 12 August 2020, 16:04:37
Here are my sets GMK 9009 and ePBT 2048 7u spacebars, can you guess which is which?
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/480/271/851.png)
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 12 August 2020, 16:08:52
Even's hineybush's worst offender (new drop gmk wob) isn't as bad as that 9009 r3 spacebar. Lets stop minimizing the situation by claiming old GMK had the same problems
Well said. The old ones were great, and like youd expect for the price, it should never come up.
Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 16:17:04
Those who have a commercial interest with GMK, I would take their advice/ experience with a pinch of salt.
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 12 August 2020, 16:46:02
No offence to those who are saying iTs AlWaYs BeEn ThIs WaY,This is gaslighting.
Those who have a commercial interest with GMK, I would take their advice/ experience with a pinch of salt.
Please stop.
This will be the only time I reply to you. You are dead set on making a comment on every single thread, usually implying there is some conspiracy theory with vendors and GMK. There is not.
Literally, all vendors running GMK sets are talking to GMK about the issues that come up. Some of these issues are only coming up because there are more eyes on sets than ever before. The Scroll issue has been present forever. Space bars have also had variances in warping forever. I dont care if you believe the photos that hiney took, or the photo I took. But its been there.
The issue comes down to not having an actually spec sheet of acceptable standards from GMK. People have made comparisons to cars. Cars can have variances. If you take a look at gaps between panels, there can be a slight variance. Having these gaps between the panels is not a defect, but a variance. It doesnt impact the driving of the car, and wouldnt be something that would cause for a recall or replacement.
Take a look at spec sheets for switches. They can have spring variance of +-15g or more. Even stem sizes have variances.
What it comes down to is if the product works as intended. Obviously if there is damage to the keycaps and scratches; thats a different story. And this is where it gets difficult. Because there are different stabs, switches, plates, PCBs, that all have their own tolerances, how do you properly measure this? I dont have the answer to this.
With all my boards (NovelKeys has over 50+ and most with GMK sets), we have never had an issue with space bars returning or being scratchy.
Vendors are actively talking to GMK. GMK has NOT given any type of spec sheet. They have said that different colors can have different warpage and shrinkage rates, and implied that this is all within spec.
We still have not received our kits yet, but with checking our older unused sets, this is definitely something that is common and not unique to newer sets. What is unique to newer sets is the amount sold and the amount of eyes now checking out sets. There is a misconception that GMK is perfect. They are high quality, and still remain high quality in my eyes. That does not mean they are perfect by any means though.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 12 August 2020, 17:09:08
Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 12 August 2020, 17:11:38
I have only commented about warped spacebars on GMK 9009, Olivia++ and Cafe. I'm in 9009 and Olivia++.
I received 8 warped spacebars in one set (base + aesthetics), which I feel is not a variance or tolerance issue, rather a manufacturing defect. My only comment on Cafe was me associating with another customer who also received all warped spacebars.
If you scroll up, I've literally said this
"Let us wait for the set to ship first, till then lets wait" and "No one here wishes any harm, NovelKeys has had very good customer service from what Ive read.
"
The comment is unmodified.
Anyways, I'm just glad I didn't get the spacebars kit in Olivia++.
Post by: GarrettSucks on Wed, 12 August 2020, 18:46:58
Hey,Youve been talking about this since it first started in like every discord server everyday. Youve said much more than this.MoreI have only commented about warped spacebars on GMK 9009, Olivia++ and Cafe. I'm in 9009 and Olivia++.
I received 8 warped spacebars in one set (base + aesthetics), which I feel is not a variance or tolerance issue, rather a manufacturing defect. My only comment on Cafe was me associating with another customer who also received all warped spacebars.
If you scroll up, I've literally said this
"Let us wait for the set to ship first, till then lets wait" and "No one here wishes any harm, NovelKeys has had very good customer service from what Ive read.
"
The comment is unmodified.
Anyways, I'm just glad I didn't get the spacebars kit in Olivia++.
I mean look at your profile banner on GH.
https://imgur.com/a/qobxFcA
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Wed, 12 August 2020, 23:04:01
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 13 August 2020, 02:56:55
Hey,Youve been talking about this since it first started in like every discord server everyday. Youve said much more than this.MoreI have only commented about warped spacebars on GMK 9009, Olivia++ and Cafe. I'm in 9009 and Olivia++.
I received 8 warped spacebars in one set (base + aesthetics), which I feel is not a variance or tolerance issue, rather a manufacturing defect. My only comment on Cafe was me associating with another customer who also received all warped spacebars.
If you scroll up, I've literally said this
"Let us wait for the set to ship first, till then lets wait" and "No one here wishes any harm, NovelKeys has had very good customer service from what Ive read.
"
The comment is unmodified.
Anyways, I'm just glad I didn't get the spacebars kit in Olivia++.
I mean look at your profile banner on GH.
https://imgur.com/a/qobxFcA
Do you want me not to? I wouldn't have to if 9009 was handled better, look at Langelandia who accepted the spacebar issues and posted an update on the main GB thread, vs 9009 where Janglad actively tried to prevent posting images on geekhack. No comments from you at all until someone said he'll post it on reddit.
Now that you're here, could you update us on the issue? Since you talk to the owner everyday
(https://i.imgur.com/r6y1qYS.png)
Post by: Kasterborous on Thu, 13 August 2020, 10:20:41
Why are multiple GMK sets still running even after these problems are so apparently consistent? Are vendors running keysets through GMK praying that issues will be fixed? If nothing can get done than literally over ten thousand MoDo2 sets and thousands of this run will ship BROKEN. It wouldn't be so devastating if this wasn't off the back of a manufacturer that previously prided itself on perfection and quality. I get vendors gotta make money, but you can't purposefully run something that you're aware will be faulty. It's not fair to anybody.
GMK be hype bruh
Post by: cpt-nic on Thu, 13 August 2020, 10:44:53
I'm pretty sure that it is not clear to a lot of people what level of "perfection" to expect from a GMK set or maybe from any keyset from any manufacturer.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:54:25
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:55:13
I had to learn to manage expectations towards GMK as well. When I got into this hobby and started reading around about keycaps and materials the overall attitude was like "GMK is the best. No issues like other manufacturers / materials". I read this again and again. When I received my first GMK set (Calm Depths aftermarket) I first thought I got a b stock. Because I never read that the Z is often tilted or like other small problems.
I'm pretty sure that it is not clear to a lot of people what level of "perfection" to expect from a GMK set or maybe from any keyset from any manufacturer.
You can be the highest quality while also not being perfect.
Perfect is unattainable.
Post by: cpt-nic on Thu, 13 August 2020, 12:21:46
Does any vendor ever market GMK sets as perfect and without issues like other manufacturers? I got my first GMK set in 2013 and I don't notice any difference in quality from recent GBs compared to GMK from 7 years ago. Y'all need to manage your expectation. GMK bought the doubleshot mold from Cherry, and Cherry doubleshot has been around since when, the 80s? When you buy GMK you are buying ancient tech. Heck the entire hobby is ancient tech. What exactly do you expect?The thing is what does anybody expect for his first GMK set and why do they expect it that way? The overall tenor mostly was that you pay a premium price for a premium product. The imperfections of GMK are not as clearly listed as the imperfections of other manufacturers I think. So first buyers might have the expectation of a flawless product. I do not want to blame anyone I just tried to explain by example why some people could be upset by their first GMK set based on wrong expectations and why these wrong expectations might exist.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Thu, 13 August 2020, 12:28:45
The thing is what does anybody expect for his first GMK set and why do they expect it that way? The overall tenor mostly was that you pay a premium price for a premium product. The imperfections of GMK are not as clearly listed as the imperfections of other manufacturers I think. So first buyers might have the expectation of a flawless product. I do not want to blame anyone I just tried to explain by example why some people could be upset by their first GMK set based on wrong expectations and why these wrong expectations might exist.
That's all good and fair. Just don't blame the vendors for it (not saying you did). The vendors are doing good things for this community and I appreciate their work. The last thing we need is more scammers like Ivan.
Post by: GarrettSucks on Thu, 13 August 2020, 15:13:24
Hey,Youve been talking about this since it first started in like every discord server everyday. Youve said much more than this.MoreI have only commented about warped spacebars on GMK 9009, Olivia++ and Cafe. I'm in 9009 and Olivia++.
I received 8 warped spacebars in one set (base + aesthetics), which I feel is not a variance or tolerance issue, rather a manufacturing defect. My only comment on Cafe was me associating with another customer who also received all warped spacebars.
If you scroll up, I've literally said this
"Let us wait for the set to ship first, till then lets wait" and "No one here wishes any harm, NovelKeys has had very good customer service from what Ive read.
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The comment is unmodified.
Anyways, I'm just glad I didn't get the spacebars kit in Olivia++.
I mean look at your profile banner on GH.
https://imgur.com/a/qobxFcA
Do you want me not to? I wouldn't have to if 9009 was handled better, look at Langelandia who accepted the spacebar issues and posted an update on the main GB thread, vs 9009 where Janglad actively tried to prevent posting images on geekhack. No comments from you at all until someone said he'll post it on reddit.
Now that you're here, could you update us on the issue? Since you talk to the owner everydayShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/r6y1qYS.png)
I make an update every single week on our weekly update page.
https://news.dixiemech.com
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 14 August 2020, 04:03:49
Will there be extra hihihi enter keys? (Novelkeys).
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Fri, 14 August 2020, 07:14:42
Hey, a bit late to all of this and not related to the stuff above.
Will there be extra hihihi enter keys? (Novelkeys).
I don't think I have ever seen Novelkeys not carry extra rama enter keys but they are usually the first thing that gets sold out, usually in like a couple hours. I am guessing he probably stocked more than usual though, just due to sheer popularity of the set.
Post by: kevchigga on Fri, 14 August 2020, 12:07:12
Hey, a bit late to all of this and not related to the stuff above.
Will there be extra hihihi enter keys? (Novelkeys).
THIS. I need this Rama enter key also.
Post by: killuchen on Fri, 14 August 2020, 12:09:29
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Post by: stevenT on Sat, 15 August 2020, 19:50:35
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have you checked if any spacebar is warped?
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Post by: Tyson on Sat, 15 August 2020, 20:16:17
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yo i just checked and it seems my dn is warped
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Post by: itsmartin on Sat, 15 August 2020, 20:46:52
have you checked if any spacebar is warped?
This person has a flipped spacebar, do you think they care about the natural order of things?
Post by: of_sam on Sat, 15 August 2020, 21:34:43
have you checked if any spacebar is warped?
This person has a flipped spacebar, do you think they care about the natural order of things?
AYO Bruh can't hear you from the upside down
Post by: jontseg on Sat, 15 August 2020, 22:02:51
Post by: solomonshv on Sun, 16 August 2020, 18:52:50
Why are multiple GMK sets still running even after these problems are so apparently consistent? Are vendors running keysets through GMK praying that issues will be fixed? If nothing can get done than literally over ten thousand MoDo2 sets and thousands of this run will ship BROKEN. It wouldn't be so devastating if this wasn't off the back of a manufacturer that previously prided itself on perfection and quality. I get vendors gotta make money, but you can't purposefully run something that you're aware will be faulty. It's not fair to anybody.
there were some keys that were really bad, but for the most part the were fine. i recently took delivery of analog dreams, camping r2 and cafe, and the space bars were all fine. they weren't absolutely perfect, but not different from what i had before. once mounted you can't tell they were warped by about 1mm or so. they are the same as my mizu and my 2017 run of white on black space bars. some of my mods have less than ideal legends too, but i live it because i'm not using those keys anyway. i'm using novelties.
if you're expecting absolutely perfect space bars like on corsair and razer keyboards, it's not going to happen. you may as well leave the hobby because you will never be happy. if you're looking for perfectly made key caps, razer has some on amazon for $30. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZPRYK9X/ but don't expect wide compatibility, unique colors or novelties.
Post by: Quteno on Mon, 17 August 2020, 07:22:37
there were some keys that were really bad, but for the most part the were fine. i recently took delivery of analog dreams, camping r2 and cafe, and the space bars were all fine. they weren't absolutely perfect, but not different from what i had before. once mounted you can't tell they were warped by about 1mm or so. they are the same as my mizu and my 2017 run of white on black space bars.Now a 1mm warping is in most cases fine, really. And like you say not something anyone is going to notice when the keycaps are in use. The problem is when the warping is bigger than that, it's when you start to notice that stabs are scratchy cause due to the warp one side is pressing the stab stem to the housing, or stabs are producing pinging and ticking sounds despite a generous amount of lube etc.
some of my mods have less than ideal legends too, but i live it because i'm not using those keys anyway. i'm using novelties.This is something that you should report regardless if you use the keycaps or not, cause those are issues that should not be present on the GMK sets. Hell there were runs where GMK was replacing keycaps in some cases.
if you're expecting absolutely perfect space bars like on corsair and razer keyboards, it's not going to happen. you may as well leave the hobby because you will never be happy. if you're looking for perfectly made key caps, razer has some on amazon for $30. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZPRYK9X/ but don't expect wide compatibility, unique colors or novelties.With attitude like yours "accept whatever you get" the makers will get lazy, why bother to make something better if people are buying it anyway? If there are issues, people should complain and rise awareness about it. But nobody should attack anyone over it, especially the vendors who make the groupbuy runs possible and usually prettysmooth.
Post by: Domantas on Wed, 19 August 2020, 10:53:01
My 7u spacebar is noticabily warped and 6.25 a bit too. Is it possible to get a replacement of that key or at least 7u? I don't have board to test my 7u spacebar, because it didn't arrive, but it looks concerning - it is like 2mm tilt. Comparing to 8008 it is noticably warped: 8008 was last set with good spacebars. Stop misleading about gmk making keycaps like that, because a month ago they didn't. (https://imgur.com/JXaRcwY) LINK TO PHOTOS/COMPARANCE: https://imgur.com/a/oZukCuE . I know that GMK replaced noticably warped, shifted legend as it was with oblivion r2. Please do the same GMK, we still hope you can do better, because 8008 was not bad talking about spacebars.
Post by: stevenT on Wed, 19 August 2020, 21:19:19
First wanna comment this is greatly designed set. Also greatly and fastly delivered. But can't say same thing about production quality.
My 7u spacebar is noticabily warped and 6.25 a bit too. Is it possible to get a replacement of that key or at least 7u? I don't have board to test my 7u spacebar, because it didn't arrive, but it looks concerning - it is like 2mm tilt. Comparing to 8008 it is noticably warped: 8008 was last set with good spacebars. Stop misleading about gmk making keycaps like that, because a month ago they didn't.Show Image(https://imgur.com/JXaRcwY)LINK TO PHOTOS/COMPARANCE: https://imgur.com/a/oZukCuE . I know that GMK replaced noticably warped, shifted legend as it was with oblivion r2. Please do the same GMK, we still hope you can do better, because 8008 was not bad talking about spacebars.
I think the replacement of Oblivion Modifiers only happened after the designer detected the error on keycaps and many feedbacks from users who received the bad products, so it was considered to be a widespread.
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 20 August 2020, 01:51:45
First wanna comment this is greatly designed set. Also greatly and fastly delivered. But can't say same thing about production quality.
My 7u spacebar is noticabily warped and 6.25 a bit too. Is it possible to get a replacement of that key or at least 7u? I don't have board to test my 7u spacebar, because it didn't arrive, but it looks concerning - it is like 2mm tilt. Comparing to 8008 it is noticably warped: 8008 was last set with good spacebars. Stop misleading about gmk making keycaps like that, because a month ago they didn't.Show Image(https://imgur.com/JXaRcwY)LINK TO PHOTOS/COMPARANCE: https://imgur.com/a/oZukCuE . I know that GMK replaced noticably warped, shifted legend as it was with oblivion r2. Please do the same GMK, we still hope you can do better, because 8008 was not bad talking about spacebars.
Can you post pics with the lights on please, I can't tell the difference because they are too dark.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 20 August 2020, 02:41:38
Post by: oom on Thu, 20 August 2020, 04:51:56
Post by: Emir on Thu, 20 August 2020, 05:57:51
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
They don't eat the shipping costs. It's invoiced to GMK. They will however have to pay for shipping up front and then invoice GMK after replacements are sent out.
Being present in other sets from the past shouldn't matter, we had fixes with WoB/BoW icon mods for things that have shown up in the past too.
It's about whether or not GMK acknowledges the issue as outside of their "specifications",
specifications which don't exist today and they pull out of their ass depending on if they deem something worth fixing or not.
Specifications which seem to change depending on how much you pressure them, even if they initially tell you "it's within spec".
Your best bet is to do exactly this, spam every thread that has issues with photos and in as much detail as possible.
Post by: pwade3 on Thu, 20 August 2020, 07:10:11
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
They don't eat the shipping costs. It's invoiced to GMK. They will however have to pay for shipping up front and then invoice GMK after replacements are sent out.
Being present in other sets from the past shouldn't matter, we had fixes with WoB/BoW icon mods for things that have shown up in the past too.
It's about whether or not GMK acknowledges the issue as outside of their "specifications",
specifications which don't exist today and they pull out of their ass depending on if they deem something worth fixing or not.
Specifications which seem to change depending on how much you pressure them, even if they initially tell you "it's within spec".
Your best bet is to do exactly this, spam every thread that has issues with photos and in as much detail as possible.
I agree the vagueness and fluctuation of what "within spec" qualifies as is frustrating.
I don't get why you assume it's a given that GMK would pay for the shipping from the vendors to the customers and not something that would need discussed/negotiated though. Would that be the "proper" solution? Yes. But I don't get why you act like it's assumed.
Post by: Emir on Thu, 20 August 2020, 07:41:55
I had no success fixing ABS spacebars. PBT spacebars are easier to fix.
I don't get it why it takes so long for GMK to address the issue. It's simple: create new fixed space bars to all GB participants who report issues with their keys. Have some sort of time window like 3 months to do this. Require some sort of evidence of transaction etc. DONE.
And the vendors are just expected to eat the shipping costs for thousands of spacebars?
They don't eat the shipping costs. It's invoiced to GMK. They will however have to pay for shipping up front and then invoice GMK after replacements are sent out.
Being present in other sets from the past shouldn't matter, we had fixes with WoB/BoW icon mods for things that have shown up in the past too.
It's about whether or not GMK acknowledges the issue as outside of their "specifications",
specifications which don't exist today and they pull out of their ass depending on if they deem something worth fixing or not.
Specifications which seem to change depending on how much you pressure them, even if they initially tell you "it's within spec".
Your best bet is to do exactly this, spam every thread that has issues with photos and in as much detail as possible.
I agree the vagueness and fluctuation of what "within spec" qualifies as is frustrating.
I don't get why you assume it's a given that GMK would pay for the shipping from the vendors to the customers and not something that would need discussed/negotiated though. Would that be the "proper" solution? Yes. But I don't get why you act like it's assumed.
I am not making any assumptions in my post. I will say though I do not know if that is how it has been handled in every single case, but from what I have experienced personally, that's how it has been.
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 20 August 2020, 17:20:16
Your best bet is to do exactly this, spam every thread that has issues with photos and in as much detail as possible.
Most GMK fanbois and Vendors didn't take too kindly to this.
It's been almost 2 months since I've reported the 9009 warped spacebars, and there's no resolution on it yet. With each week's newsletter dixie claiming that GMK hasn't replied back yet, when he claims to talk to the owner of GMK daily (as shown above). Lets see what he says today (21st Aug).
On one hand vendors complain that expectation from GMK are too high (imo making straight spacebars isn't a high expectation), but have an issue with warped spacebars being discussed on discord or geekhack.
What we need is an objectively defined spec sheet or criterial, which clearly demarcates what is within acceptable tolerance and what is an error. Something like NovelKeys own keycap disclaimer.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Thu, 20 August 2020, 20:56:42
Post by: Domantas on Thu, 20 August 2020, 21:52:13
Post by: Domantas on Thu, 20 August 2020, 21:53:56
Still cant wait for this set. My experience with GMK over the last 5 years has shown me slight warping has no issues with causing stabilizers to scratch/rub like ePBT does.
Yeah the set overall is very nice (much nicer irl than in renders) despite spacebars
First wanna comment this is greatly designed set. Also greatly and fastly delivered. But can't say same thing about production quality.
My 7u spacebar is noticabily warped and 6.25 a bit too. Is it possible to get a replacement of that key or at least 7u? I don't have board to test my 7u spacebar, because it didn't arrive, but it looks concerning - it is like 2mm tilt. Comparing to 8008 it is noticably warped: 8008 was last set with good spacebars. Stop misleading about gmk making keycaps like that, because a month ago they didn't.Show Image(https://imgur.com/JXaRcwY)LINK TO PHOTOS/COMPARANCE: https://imgur.com/a/oZukCuE . I know that GMK replaced noticably warped, shifted legend as it was with oblivion r2. Please do the same GMK, we still hope you can do better, because 8008 was not bad talking about spacebars.
Can you post pics with the lights on please, I can't tell the difference because they are too dark.
Ok I will replace some pics later (probably tommorow). Also GMK has some problems with their question mark mold XD on gmk 8008 it is thin and on olivia++ it is bold
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 20 August 2020, 22:49:27
i've asked around to people with vintage doubleshot sets from 20-30 years ago, and they have warped spacebars
plastic on the inside cools at a lower rate than plastic on the outside, this causes warping
the myth that ABS spacebars are "warp free" was always just that, a myth
there are a lot of issues with GMK keycaps but you're choosing the wrong one to battle, this isn't something that's so easily fixed as "just retool it 4Head," it's an inherent quality of injection molding
keyboard people have the most unattainable quality standards of any group i've ever been a part of, sometimes to the greater determent of the community
don't get mad just to be mad
it's just frustrating to me that people are blaming vendors for this
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 20 August 2020, 23:13:14
No one is saying that GMK is perfect.
But I think it's obvious to even the casual observer that something has changed with GMK's production process in the last 6-9 months.
Post by: nappis on Fri, 21 August 2020, 01:27:10
This is taken from GMK Striker IC (also in GB thread):
"Technical Specs
Original Cherry Corp. Profile
High quality 1.5mm thick keycaps with doublsehot legends that will never fade.
Made in Germany by GMK electronic design GmbH."
And for example Candykeys has this bull**** on their Groupbuy pages:
"GMK Electronic Design is a manufacturing of original Cherry MX keycaps based in south Germany, right next to CandyKeys. GMK manufactures keycaps using original Cherry MX Molding Tooling bought from Cherry in 2011. All keycaps are manufactured from thick, high quality ABS Plastic and are made sure to carry perfect smooth texture and lasting design."
So people see no warped keys or distorted legends, or crooked keys in ICs or GBs. They are told GMK is super high quality and then they get **** like this.
Post by: hyppialonso on Fri, 21 August 2020, 02:41:05
To all people who tell to adjust expectations because GMK is not perfect.I guess they mean even if the spacebar is wrapped, it is still a very high quality wrapped spacebar.
This is taken from GMK Striker IC (also in GB thread):
"Technical Specs
Original Cherry Corp. Profile
High quality 1.5mm thick keycaps with doublsehot legends that will never fade.
Made in Germany by GMK electronic design GmbH."
And for example Candykeys has this bull**** on their Groupbuy pages:
"GMK Electronic Design is a manufacturing of original Cherry MX keycaps based in south Germany, right next to CandyKeys. GMK manufactures keycaps using original Cherry MX Molding Tooling bought from Cherry in 2011. All keycaps are manufactured from thick, high quality ABS Plastic and are made sure to carry perfect smooth texture and lasting design."
So people see no warped keys or distorted legends, or crooked keys in ICs or GBs. They are told GMK is super high quality and then they get **** like this.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 21 August 2020, 20:07:02
@puddsy
No one is saying that GMK is perfect.
But I think it's obvious to even the casual observer that something has changed with GMK's production process in the last 6-9 months.
most of the issues being highlighted appear on sets dating back pretty far, they just went unnoticed until recently
thin question mark, for example
true olivetti (~2018)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/trueolivetti_1024x1024.jpg?v=1572039974)
GMK TA (~2016)
(https://i.imgur.com/03JKJr7.jpg)
i have more info about other issues, but i think this is enough to make my point
Post by: hyppialonso on Fri, 21 August 2020, 22:32:19
It is still a problem.@puddsy
No one is saying that GMK is perfect.
But I think it's obvious to even the casual observer that something has changed with GMK's production process in the last 6-9 months.
most of the issues being highlighted appear on sets dating back pretty far, they just went unnoticed until recently
thin question mark, for example
true olivetti (~2018)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/trueolivetti_1024x1024.jpg?v=1572039974)
GMK TA (~2016)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/03JKJr7.jpg)
i have more info about other issues, but i think this is enough to make my point
It doesn't matter whether it has been noticed in the past or not, as long as majority of its customers concern about it now, the problem should be tackled now.
In the past this community was not as big as it is now so fewer concerns regarding this and the expectation from the folks are not high. But with the sizes the community has grown now, if gmk cannot improve and catch up with the market expectation, then most likely the market will gradually give up gmk.
Post by: ackzot on Sat, 22 August 2020, 11:19:21
the myth that ABS spacebars are "warp free" was always just that, a myth
don't get mad just to be mad
it's just frustrating to me that people are blaming vendors for this
I have Jamon and an older drop WoB that has very good quality space bars (no warp). And looking at other posts, I get it older sets could have warped space bars but quite a few pics also show non-warped bars. but if newer sets have consistently all warped bars (which i cannot confirm), that sounds like an issue. Granted, people without problems will not post, but would be nice if someone in 9009, cafe, etc had good space bars and would post a picture. If the quality range of GMK has moved in the direction of more warped space bars, that sounds like an issue.
i don't think it's an easy fix of just sending replacements. there may be more that needs to be done in their production. and i am waiting for the in-spec guidance which dixie said GMK is preparing. i do sympathize with the vendors cause they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Finally, GMK comes at a premium. like any business, shouldn't they strive for improvements? If gmk continues to make products for the hobby and the business has been increasing, why not make new molds to fix old legends? They seem ok to making molds for new keys/legends. Why not double check their manufacturing to improve quality when the community reports issues. GMK is not lego, but lego is amazing for making ABS bricks at such a high standard. Would be nice if GMK strove for the same quality (keyword being strove, not necessarily consistently deliver).
Post by: Missingnumber on Sat, 22 August 2020, 12:53:22
the myth that ABS spacebars are "warp free" was always just that, a myth
don't get mad just to be mad
it's just frustrating to me that people are blaming vendors for this
I have Jamon and an older drop WoB that has very good quality space bars (no warp). And looking at other posts, I get it older sets could have warped space bars but quite a few pics also show non-warped bars. but if newer sets have consistently all warped bars (which i cannot confirm), that sounds like an issue. Granted, people without problems will not post, but would be nice if someone in 9009, cafe, etc had good space bars and would post a picture. If the quality range of GMK has moved in the direction of more warped space bars, that sounds like an issue.
i don't think it's an easy fix of just sending replacements. there may be more that needs to be done in their production. and i am waiting for the in-spec guidance which dixie said GMK is preparing. i do sympathize with the vendors cause they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Finally, GMK comes at a premium. like any business, shouldn't they strive for improvements? If gmk continues to make products for the hobby and the business has been increasing, why not make new molds to fix old legends? They seem ok to making molds for new keys/legends. Why not double check their manufacturing to improve quality when the community reports issues. GMK is not lego, but lego is amazing for making ABS bricks at such a high standard. Would be nice if GMK strove for the same quality (keyword being strove, not necessarily consistently deliver).
I posted on the very recent GMK Phospherus thread that my space bar there had no problems. And I think it's a bit much that people are talking about Olivia in particular before it is even shipped.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sat, 22 August 2020, 13:10:23
@puddsy
No one is saying that GMK is perfect.
But I think it's obvious to even the casual observer that something has changed with GMK's production process in the last 6-9 months.
most of the issues being highlighted appear on sets dating back pretty far, they just went unnoticed until recently
thin question mark, for example
true olivetti (~2018)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/trueolivetti_1024x1024.jpg?v=1572039974)
GMK TA (~2016)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/03JKJr7.jpg)
i have more info about other issues, but i think this is enough to make my point
I'm talking about the spacebar issue.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sat, 22 August 2020, 13:11:18
the myth that ABS spacebars are "warp free" was always just that, a myth
don't get mad just to be mad
it's just frustrating to me that people are blaming vendors for this
I have Jamon and an older drop WoB that has very good quality space bars (no warp). And looking at other posts, I get it older sets could have warped space bars but quite a few pics also show non-warped bars. but if newer sets have consistently all warped bars (which i cannot confirm), that sounds like an issue. Granted, people without problems will not post, but would be nice if someone in 9009, cafe, etc had good space bars and would post a picture. If the quality range of GMK has moved in the direction of more warped space bars, that sounds like an issue.
i don't think it's an easy fix of just sending replacements. there may be more that needs to be done in their production. and i am waiting for the in-spec guidance which dixie said GMK is preparing. i do sympathize with the vendors cause they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Finally, GMK comes at a premium. like any business, shouldn't they strive for improvements? If gmk continues to make products for the hobby and the business has been increasing, why not make new molds to fix old legends? They seem ok to making molds for new keys/legends. Why not double check their manufacturing to improve quality when the community reports issues. GMK is not lego, but lego is amazing for making ABS bricks at such a high standard. Would be nice if GMK strove for the same quality (keyword being strove, not necessarily consistently deliver).
I posted on the very recent GMK Phospherus thread that my space bar there had no problems. And I think it's a bit much that people are talking about Olivia in particular before it is even shipped.
Olivia has shipped.
Post by: endjy on Sun, 23 August 2020, 07:31:52
Post by: itsmartin on Sun, 23 August 2020, 08:01:23
I havent got my set yet so Ill wait until I see it. If youre jumping to conclusions about your space bars before even receiving your set I think you need to take a step back and calm down for a second and see what happens.
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Sun, 23 August 2020, 08:42:09
Post by: Domantas on Sun, 23 August 2020, 17:31:12
the myth that ABS spacebars are "warp free" was always just that, a myth
don't get mad just to be mad
it's just frustrating to me that people are blaming vendors for this
I have Jamon and an older drop WoB that has very good quality space bars (no warp). And looking at other posts, I get it older sets could have warped space bars but quite a few pics also show non-warped bars. but if newer sets have consistently all warped bars (which i cannot confirm), that sounds like an issue. Granted, people without problems will not post, but would be nice if someone in 9009, cafe, etc had good space bars and would post a picture. If the quality range of GMK has moved in the direction of more warped space bars, that sounds like an issue.
i don't think it's an easy fix of just sending replacements. there may be more that needs to be done in their production. and i am waiting for the in-spec guidance which dixie said GMK is preparing. i do sympathize with the vendors cause they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Finally, GMK comes at a premium. like any business, shouldn't they strive for improvements? If gmk continues to make products for the hobby and the business has been increasing, why not make new molds to fix old legends? They seem ok to making molds for new keys/legends. Why not double check their manufacturing to improve quality when the community reports issues. GMK is not lego, but lego is amazing for making ABS bricks at such a high standard. Would be nice if GMK strove for the same quality (keyword being strove, not necessarily consistently deliver).
Agree! Quality should be top gmk priority. That is why we like gmk. Price is really not what attracts it but obviously detracts. Production time too. All in all, lately I feel that marketing is their first priority. Maybe gmk is not dealling with increased demand or smth? They are really easilly dealing with taking money. And where all the money goes? Why not new molds? I am super hyped with their response to these emerging questions hope it will be good one!
Post by: marineking on Mon, 24 August 2020, 04:29:16
Desperately hoping it would happen soon-ish.
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 24 August 2020, 05:20:07
Any chance we can have an Olivia+++ or R3 any time soon ?
Desperately hoping it would happen soon-ish.
Bro chill, extras haven't even gone on sale yet. Over a thousand extras were bought just keep track of all the vendors sites and this thread and you will surely get one.
Post by: Shikada on Mon, 24 August 2020, 05:57:09
Hell even asking for updates in this thread will get you hate from fanboys/sheep consumers.
Also flippers don't care about warped space bars, and they are an ever growing part of this community. I expect none of these issues to be fixed any time soon.
Post by: Domantas on Mon, 24 August 2020, 16:57:54
"We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress."
What that suppose to mean. That doesn't sound like fixing spacebars... More like an excuse in progress
As long as you have people complaining very vocally about quality and people asking for more rounds/extras in the same thread, nothing will change :)
Hell even asking for updates in this thread will get you hate from fanboys/sheep consumers.
Also flippers don't care about warped space bars, and they are an ever growing part of this community. I expect none of these issues to be fixed any time soon.
Those who wait for extras and say that doesn't have keycaps, so they doesn't count because they can't check the quality right now
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 24 August 2020, 17:00:10
From Dixie mech update:
"We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress."
What that suppose to mean. That doesn't sound like fixing spacebars... More like an excuse in progress
How about we wait and see what the spec sheet entails instead of immediately dismissing it with negativity?
Sounds like progress to me.
Post by: Domantas on Mon, 24 August 2020, 17:04:25
From Dixie mech update:
"We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress."
What that suppose to mean. That doesn't sound like fixing spacebars... More like an excuse in progress
How about we wait and see what the spec sheet entails instead of immediately dismissing it with negativity?
Sounds like progress to me.
but doesn't it sound like an excuse already: gmk - "here are the specs we wrote this mumbo jumbo which means we are up to quality, so people stop complaining." I also hope it won't be like that, but who knows, who knows. Unless they will show range of quality which is acceptable and not and will give a site where people could sent support ticket, then it would be great
First wanna comment this is greatly designed set. Also greatly and fastly delivered. But can't say same thing about production quality.
My 7u spacebar is noticabily warped and 6.25 a bit too. Is it possible to get a replacement of that key or at least 7u? I don't have board to test my 7u spacebar, because it didn't arrive, but it looks concerning - it is like 2mm tilt. Comparing to 8008 it is noticably warped: 8008 was last set with good spacebars. Stop misleading about gmk making keycaps like that, because a month ago they didn't.Show Image(https://imgur.com/JXaRcwY)LINK TO PHOTOS/COMPARANCE: https://imgur.com/a/oZukCuE . I know that GMK replaced noticably warped, shifted legend as it was with oblivion r2. Please do the same GMK, we still hope you can do better, because 8008 was not bad talking about spacebars.
Can you post pics with the lights on please, I can't tell the difference because they are too dark.
Check again I updated it with comments. On yt there are some unboxing videos too of olivia++
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 27 August 2020, 10:03:10
Regarding spacebars - still talking to GMK. But from what I am gathering so far, the take away is that these will be within their tolerances. Again, the issue of spacebars having a slight warp to them has been around since at least Olivia R1 in our testing (that was the first GMK set we sold). From hiney's research, it has been there even before then. With testing some of the kits we have, there are some kits with very minor warping, and it has not impacted use or looks once mounted.
We are giving GMK feedback on this from what the customers are saying to hopefully push them to improve.
Post by: 3ambutter on Thu, 27 August 2020, 11:41:25
Sets have been received. Shipping out sets for Olivia to check over today. Packaging and shipping will begin the first week of September.
Regarding spacebars - still talking to GMK. But from what I am gathering so far, the take away is that these will be within their tolerances. Again, the issue of spacebars having a slight warp to them has been around since at least Olivia R1 in our testing (that was the first GMK set we sold). From hiney's research, it has been there even before then. With testing some of the kits we have, there are some kits with very minor warping, and it has not impacted use or looks once mounted.
We are giving GMK feedback on this from what the customers are saying to hopefully push them to improve.
Hi Mike, first of all I want to say thank you for what you do for the keyboard scene. We should be grateful to have you as one of the vendors.
I think people for the most part understand that warping is part of the injection molding process. That being said, at what point is something considered a defect? After looking over hineybush's pictures, I would be happy to have the minimal amount of warping that most of his 7u spacebars have. My concern is when it is worse than that(like when the degree of warping is comparable to epbt). If GMK releases a spec sheet that says 20 degrees of warp is within their tolerances, are we the consumers **** out of luck?
It definitely sucks for the new members who flooded the scene by watching TaehaTypes try to build their own custom and tune their mods, only to find that the spacebar rattles due to a warped spacebar that is within spec. I've already voted with my wallet by not joining GBs until GMK improves. But what about the ones I've already joined such as 9009, olvia++, bingsu? Do you believe the vendors have any responsibility in fixing the spacebars that warrant replacements? Or did we just join at a bad time and are the sacrificial lamb to GMK's scaling?
Also please take pictures of the sets you sent out to check.
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 27 August 2020, 11:57:10
Hi Mike, first of all I want to say thank you for what you do for the keyboard scene. We should be grateful to have you as one of the vendors.
I think people for the most part understand that warping is part of the injection molding process. That being said, at what point is something considered a defect? After looking over hineybush's pictures, I would be happy to have the minimal amount of warping that most of his 7u spacebars have. My concern is when it is worse than that(like when the degree of warping is comparable to epbt). If GMK releases a spec sheet that says 20 degrees of warp is within their tolerances, are we the consumers **** out of luck?
It definitely sucks for the new members who flooded the scene by watching TaehaTypes try to build their own custom and tune their mods, only to find that the spacebar rattles due to a warped spacebar that is within spec. I've already voted with my wallet by not joining GBs until GMK improves. But what about the ones I've already joined such as 9009, olvia++, bingsu? Do you believe the vendors have any responsibility in fixing the spacebars that warrant replacements? Or did we just join at a bad time and are the sacrificial lamb to GMK's scaling?
Also please take pictures of the sets you sent out to check.
We have to wait on GMK to release official specs. I can't really say anything past that.
Regarding replacements - if there are keycaps that end up being out of spec from GMK's sheet, that would warrant a replacement.
Quick edit: pictures - They are already in route to Olivia. I can ask her to take some pictures. We also have pictures from GMK. Here are two that they sent me.
(https://i.imgur.com/afknbvG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OfNKwyv.jpg)
Post by: 3ambutter on Thu, 27 August 2020, 12:03:28
edit: I would still like to see pictures of olivia's set to confirm.
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 27 August 2020, 12:11:01
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Thu, 27 August 2020, 12:41:19
Hi Mike, first of all I want to say thank you for what you do for the keyboard scene. We should be grateful to have you as one of the vendors.
I think people for the most part understand that warping is part of the injection molding process. That being said, at what point is something considered a defect? After looking over hineybush's pictures, I would be happy to have the minimal amount of warping that most of his 7u spacebars have. My concern is when it is worse than that(like when the degree of warping is comparable to epbt). If GMK releases a spec sheet that says 20 degrees of warp is within their tolerances, are we the consumers **** out of luck?
It definitely sucks for the new members who flooded the scene by watching TaehaTypes try to build their own custom and tune their mods, only to find that the spacebar rattles due to a warped spacebar that is within spec. I've already voted with my wallet by not joining GBs until GMK improves. But what about the ones I've already joined such as 9009, olvia++, bingsu? Do you believe the vendors have any responsibility in fixing the spacebars that warrant replacements? Or did we just join at a bad time and are the sacrificial lamb to GMK's scaling?
Also please take pictures of the sets you sent out to check.
We have to wait on GMK to release official specs. I can't really say anything past that.
Regarding replacements - if there are keycaps that end up being out of spec from GMK's sheet, that would warrant a replacement.
Quick edit: pictures - They are already in route to Olivia. I can ask her to take some pictures. We also have pictures from GMK. Here are two that they sent me.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/afknbvG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OfNKwyv.jpg)
It is time that customers, vendors and designers have a talk with GMK and finalize the specs. Without specs, you cannot say its acceptable or not acceptable and community is left fighting with eachother. How much warp is acceptable and what is the solution when spacebar is out of spec needs to be agreed upon
Post by: Cujo96 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 19:18:02
Post by: are2dcrz on Thu, 27 August 2020, 22:52:27
Instead of complaining about how a spacebar looks on a flat surface, mount the damn thing and see if it effects your typing experience, it's really that simple.
facts.
Post by: Domantas on Sat, 29 August 2020, 13:50:32
Hi Mike, first of all I want to say thank you for what you do for the keyboard scene. We should be grateful to have you as one of the vendors.
I think people for the most part understand that warping is part of the injection molding process. That being said, at what point is something considered a defect? After looking over hineybush's pictures, I would be happy to have the minimal amount of warping that most of his 7u spacebars have. My concern is when it is worse than that(like when the degree of warping is comparable to epbt). If GMK releases a spec sheet that says 20 degrees of warp is within their tolerances, are we the consumers **** out of luck?
It definitely sucks for the new members who flooded the scene by watching TaehaTypes try to build their own custom and tune their mods, only to find that the spacebar rattles due to a warped spacebar that is within spec. I've already voted with my wallet by not joining GBs until GMK improves. But what about the ones I've already joined such as 9009, olvia++, bingsu? Do you believe the vendors have any responsibility in fixing the spacebars that warrant replacements? Or did we just join at a bad time and are the sacrificial lamb to GMK's scaling?
Also please take pictures of the sets you sent out to check.
We have to wait on GMK to release official specs. I can't really say anything past that.
Regarding replacements - if there are keycaps that end up being out of spec from GMK's sheet, that would warrant a replacement.
Quick edit: pictures - They are already in route to Olivia. I can ask her to take some pictures. We also have pictures from GMK. Here are two that they sent me.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/afknbvG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OfNKwyv.jpg)
Thanks for moving things up.
Nice angle gmk chose chacha. I would suggest them to make flat surface, side profile photo. The best test so far is to make side photo of spacebar and emit light from back - then you can obviously see if it warped - if light comes through it is warped if not - it is not.
The main thing is that for example I have three gmk sets: wob (from 2019), 8008 and olivia++. Comparing those threes the newer it is the more warped it is. Gmk wob is perfect - not even a half mm of warp. 8008 has slight warp but it is not that noticable. Olivia++ ones though are bare eye visible. So now we can agree gmk quality changed. I have 7u which is really warped and I can't even test that because I still don't have 7u board and just now join 7u gbs (an answer for those suggesting to test on board). I see it obviously warped. Even showed to other folks irl asking "everything right with this spacebar?" and they said "i think it is warped".
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 31 August 2020, 03:40:04
Instead of complaining about how a spacebar looks on a flat surface, mount the damn thing and see if it effects your typing experience, it's really that simple.
facts.
GMKs whole thing was premium price for a premium product. That doesn't really add up when the product starts having defects and imperfections. Whether or not it mounts fine is kind of irrelevant.
That being said, the bars Mike posted look fine imo, well within what I think most would consider acceptable standards. That seems to be a bit different from some of the others ones we've seen though.
All we can do now is wait for the rest of the sets to go out, and hope it's relatively isolated. Also wait for a spec sheet from GMK.
Post by: Cujo96 on Mon, 31 August 2020, 03:47:04
if you think you're not getting a premium product because there's a few out of the hundreds of orders that are bowed more than 2mm, you're not the type of customer I'd want to deal with at work. That's how injection molding is, and it's something that everyone is going to have to get over.Instead of complaining about how a spacebar looks on a flat surface, mount the damn thing and see if it effects your typing experience, it's really that simple.
facts.
GMKs whole thing was premium price for a premium product. That doesn't really add up when the product starts having defects and imperfections. Whether or not it mounts fine is kind of irrelevant.
That being said, the bars Mike posted look fine imo, well within what I think most would consider acceptable standards. That seems to be a bit different from some of the others ones we've seen though.
All we can do now is wait for the rest of the sets to go out, and hope it's relatively isolated. Also wait for a spec sheet from GMK.
Post by: hyppialonso on Mon, 31 August 2020, 05:26:21
I guess the point is whether it is really only ''a few out of hundreds'' or not. You see more and more people coming out claiming the fact that they got gmk keycaps with defect. Reasonable enough for one to assume the quality control is declining, isn't it?if you think you're not getting a premium product because there's a few out of the hundreds of orders that are bowed more than 2mm, you're not the type of customer I'd want to deal with at work. That's how injection molding is, and it's something that everyone is going to have to get over.Instead of complaining about how a spacebar looks on a flat surface, mount the damn thing and see if it effects your typing experience, it's really that simple.
facts.
GMKs whole thing was premium price for a premium product. That doesn't really add up when the product starts having defects and imperfections. Whether or not it mounts fine is kind of irrelevant.
That being said, the bars Mike posted look fine imo, well within what I think most would consider acceptable standards. That seems to be a bit different from some of the others ones we've seen though.
All we can do now is wait for the rest of the sets to go out, and hope it's relatively isolated. Also wait for a spec sheet from GMK.
By the way, either you are the kind of customer that keen on putting yourself in businessman's shoes(but not the customers) or none of my business since I am not the victim, I will be very happy to deal with at work since I don't need to improve anything.
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 31 August 2020, 06:24:23
Please bear with us, as there are a lot of orders.
Post by: Solotov on Mon, 31 August 2020, 06:55:54
Post by: 002_GT on Mon, 31 August 2020, 07:09:52
Does anyone know when DailyClack would ship this? Seems like they always ship products late...
Daily clack just went through a warehouse move so try to be a little more patient
Post by: phabulous on Mon, 31 August 2020, 07:16:27
Does anyone know when DailyClack would ship this? Seems like they always ship products late...
Received mine from Daily Clack last Wednesday and the banner on the front page of their website says they are shipping it now.
Post by: stevenT on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:55:09
I guess the point is whether it is really only ''a few out of hundreds'' or not. You see more and more people coming out claiming the fact that they got gmk keycaps with defect. Reasonable enough for one to assume the quality control is declining, isn't it?
By the way, either you are the kind of customer that keen on putting yourself in businessman's shoes(but not the customers) or none of my business since I am not the victim, I will be very happy to deal with at work since I don't need to improve anything.
+1
Post by: Domantas on Mon, 31 August 2020, 10:22:23
I guess the point is whether it is really only ''a few out of hundreds'' or not. You see more and more people coming out claiming the fact that they got gmk keycaps with defect. Reasonable enough for one to assume the quality control is declining, isn't it?if you think you're not getting a premium product because there's a few out of the hundreds of orders that are bowed more than 2mm, you're not the type of customer I'd want to deal with at work. That's how injection molding is, and it's something that everyone is going to have to get over.Instead of complaining about how a spacebar looks on a flat surface, mount the damn thing and see if it effects your typing experience, it's really that simple.
facts.
GMKs whole thing was premium price for a premium product. That doesn't really add up when the product starts having defects and imperfections. Whether or not it mounts fine is kind of irrelevant.
That being said, the bars Mike posted look fine imo, well within what I think most would consider acceptable standards. That seems to be a bit different from some of the others ones we've seen though.
All we can do now is wait for the rest of the sets to go out, and hope it's relatively isolated. Also wait for a spec sheet from GMK.
By the way, either you are the kind of customer that keen on putting yourself in businessman's shoes(but not the customers) or none of my business since I am not the victim, I will be very happy to deal with at work since I don't need to improve anything.
I like you. Lately there are people who are so into businessman's shoes in a way that it is getting strange. Vendors don't even defend anything, they just try to talk, but some random people literally searching for excuses to gmk be lazy
Post by: tngpq on Mon, 31 August 2020, 11:25:16
if you think you're not getting a premium product because there's a few out of the hundreds of orders that are bowed more than 2mm, you're not the type of customer I'd want to deal with at work. That's how injection molding is, and it's something that everyone is going to have to get over.Instead of complaining about how a spacebar looks on a flat surface, mount the damn thing and see if it effects your typing experience, it's really that simple.
facts.
GMKs whole thing was premium price for a premium product. That doesn't really add up when the product starts having defects and imperfections. Whether or not it mounts fine is kind of irrelevant.
That being said, the bars Mike posted look fine imo, well within what I think most would consider acceptable standards. That seems to be a bit different from some of the others ones we've seen though.
All we can do now is wait for the rest of the sets to go out, and hope it's relatively isolated. Also wait for a spec sheet from GMK.
2mm is out of the specification limit for most if not all customers. Obviously, GMK has set their control limit way outside of the specification limit for these to slip. That's by definition terrible QC. Do you work for GMK? I can't think of any other rational of you coming to their defense.
Post by: LevelSteam on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:38:15
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:40:18
So reading through all this my takeaway is that if our spacebars are badly warped it's within spec and we're SoL?
Yup, better get ready to sell me your set at retail.
Post by: LevelSteam on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:42:31
So reading through all this my takeaway is that if our spacebars are badly warped it's within spec and we're SoL?
Yup, better get ready to sell me your set at retail.
That's fine. If mine are warped and you want to take it off my hands for GB price + shipping Im cool with it.
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 01 September 2020, 14:00:47
So reading through all this my takeaway is that if our spacebars are badly warped it's within spec and we're SoL?
Yup, better get ready to sell me your set at retail.
Only the spacebar at retail :DDD
Post by: phinix on Wed, 02 September 2020, 04:48:35
Post by: rsvnh on Wed, 02 September 2020, 05:43:32
Do we know if mykeyboard.eu is shipping these?They are shipping them
Post by: Chodaniel on Fri, 04 September 2020, 16:26:41
Post by: OzzyG on Fri, 04 September 2020, 21:13:57
Just got my Olivia++ light kit today in NA. Lots of people making a big deal out of the space bar issue but can confirm that, at least for my set with the space bar kit, there is very little to no warping.
Same got the dark kit and spacebar is fine, super happy with how the set looks.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Fri, 04 September 2020, 21:46:04
Post by: mgsickler on Sat, 05 September 2020, 07:43:20
Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 05 September 2020, 08:01:12
We have shipped out around 3/4 of the orders. The remaining will be shipped this week. All should be completed by Sept. 11. Extras will be announced later on.
Excellent, thanks for all the hard work getting these shipped!
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sat, 05 September 2020, 13:04:22
We have shipped out around 3/4 of the orders. The remaining will be shipped this week. All should be completed by Sept. 11. Extras will be announced later on.
Insane that you were able to get that many out so quickly. Enjoy your labor day weekend!
Post by: Lufenia on Sat, 05 September 2020, 13:38:09
I dont't get why group buys always choose zfrontier as a vendor. They never respond to messages nor they package their mails properly. My gmk set came in pieces.
Post by: solomonshv on Sat, 05 September 2020, 17:56:52
Meanwhile, radio silence from zfrontier as usual.
I dont't get why group buys always choose zfrontier as a vendor. They never respond to messages nor they package their mails properly. My gmk set came in pieces.
are there any other "reputable" vendors in china? be reputable i mean vendors who have actually delivered some GMK GBs.
Post by: okidna on Sat, 05 September 2020, 23:21:23
Meanwhile, radio silence from zfrontier as usual.
I dont't get why group buys always choose zfrontier as a vendor. They never respond to messages nor they package their mails properly. My gmk set came in pieces.
This was their answer from Sept. 3.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401263317957738496/750969392782901295/Screen_Shot_2020-09-03_at_13.40.49.png)
They are shipping right now, one of member from our local MK Discord already got notified by DHL to pay taxes.
Post by: solomonshv on Sun, 06 September 2020, 16:51:46
here is a picture of a space bar from a brand new mizu kit i opened today:
(https://i.imgur.com/RM9AZPy.jpg)
looks like all the other GMK space bars i've ever had. definitely not a new "issue". the space bars isn't very stiff and once your mount it, it more or less straightens out. i haven't run into the skinny ? issue but i did have a scuffed shift key once, the shift icon wasn't straight. the whole set was exchanged and then i was fine.
Post by: vi0till on Mon, 07 September 2020, 02:55:12
Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk
Post by: Chodaniel on Mon, 07 September 2020, 20:16:04
i see we're still arguing over space bars, definition of "out of specs" and the rest.
here is a picture of a space bar from a brand new mizu kit i opened today:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RM9AZPy.jpg)
looks like all the other GMK space bars i've ever had. definitely not a new "issue". the space bars isn't very stiff and once your mount it, it more or less straightens out. i haven't run into the skinny ? issue but i did have a scuffed shift key once, the shift icon wasn't straight. the whole set was exchanged and then i was fine.
no one was starting the argument again haha just wanted to confirm the warping is minimal and is completely fine, as I saw a lot of people arguing and flaming mike about gmk warping in previous posts.
Post by: Missingnumber on Tue, 08 September 2020, 13:32:57
Post by: phinix on Tue, 08 September 2020, 15:25:55
I don't know when they are posting these, still waiting... :(
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 08 September 2020, 18:22:55
Do we know if mykeyboard.eu is shipping these?
yes they already shipped these
Post by: jacky on Wed, 09 September 2020, 10:17:50
Post by: MacSurfy on Thu, 10 September 2020, 03:42:30
I emailed mykeyboard 4 times about those caps and got no answer.
I don't know when they are posting these, still waiting... :(
Better try their Discord instead
https://discord.com/invite/2uXeq4w
Post by: phinix on Thu, 10 September 2020, 03:57:05
I emailed mykeyboard 4 times about those caps and got no answer.
I don't know when they are posting these, still waiting... :(
Better try their Discord instead
https://discord.com/invite/2uXeq4w
Thanks, I'll try that.
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 10 September 2020, 23:59:56
(https://i.imgur.com/noZpJpN.jpg)
Vs JTK spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/ZXd55lC.jpg)
3 Key, $ symbol
(https://i.imgur.com/af9xHw1.jpg)
@ symbol
(https://i.imgur.com/JfYa2rv.jpg)
Incoming:
it'S aLwAYS BeEn lIkE this.
jUst hAVE LowER staNDarDs
iF it moUnts
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 11 September 2020, 00:34:19
The spacebars I'd test first. If it mounts and works, then cool.
Post by: uhoh440 on Fri, 11 September 2020, 00:43:45
Olivia++ Spacebars:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/noZpJpN.jpg)
Vs JTK spacebarsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZXd55lC.jpg)
3 KeyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/af9xHw1.jpg)
@ symbolShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/JfYa2rv.jpg)
Incoming:
it'S aLwAYS BeEn lIkE this.
Hello if you do not want to keep your kit id be happy to take it off your hands for what you paid so you can have this troublesome set out of your life. Pm me if you want to get rid of it
Post by: walie on Fri, 11 September 2020, 01:12:15
Post by: bluuz on Fri, 11 September 2020, 01:13:48
Olivia++ Spacebars:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/noZpJpN.jpg)
Vs JTK spacebarsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZXd55lC.jpg)
3 KeyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/af9xHw1.jpg)
@ symbolShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/JfYa2rv.jpg)
Incoming:
it'S aLwAYS BeEn lIkE this.
You're not even pressing the JTK spacebars together, stop making unfair comparisons /s
But wow, this is bad. Really bad. I would be upset if I purchased a kit, and I am amazed at the amount of people who continue to make excuses for this consistent level of poor quality from GMK.
Post by: reconsiderit on Fri, 11 September 2020, 01:26:42
Olivia++ Spacebars:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/noZpJpN.jpg)
Vs JTK spacebarsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZXd55lC.jpg)
3 KeyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/af9xHw1.jpg)
@ symbolShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/JfYa2rv.jpg)
Incoming:
it'S aLwAYS BeEn lIkE this.
The 2, 3 and 4 keys all look fine to me. What part of them is problematic?
As said above, the spacebars should be installed first. My spacebar from my OG HF set appears warped due to flashing and molding, but the posts sit straight and even so the stabs don't bind or make any funny sounds. If they are warped enough to affect the stabilizer, a little warm water or a hair dryer and some weights will straighten them right out.
Also, if you're not happy with the set, I'd be happy to take it off your hands.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 11 September 2020, 02:19:29
Post by: olsen34 on Fri, 11 September 2020, 02:41:35
1. Cheaper - check
2. No bent spacebar - check
3. No ****ty tray - check
4. Less than 1 year production time - check
5. No severe color mismatch - check
I assume JTK still has inconsistent legends but that's not different than GMK is it?
Post by: mgsickler on Fri, 11 September 2020, 06:41:03
Extras will be announced later through our newsletter.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Fri, 11 September 2020, 08:09:41
In other news, zero warping on any keys in my basekit or spacebars.. Not that it really matters as I have had numerous kits in the past years with these issues and have never affected usability or typing experience.
(https://i.imgur.com/FIQAflr.jpg)
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 11 September 2020, 09:33:33
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 11 September 2020, 12:31:54
who give af if the spacebars are warped as long as they mount and work when pressed
does anyone really notice the slight warping when pressing on the actual key
bUt YoU'rE pAyInG fOr GmK qUaLiTy
if they mount and work as expected then it's likely within the GMK spec
Post by: Rumblehotep on Fri, 11 September 2020, 14:28:13
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 11 September 2020, 16:55:50
Do you think opting for a split space build would minimize the risk of having spacewarp torpedo your plans for a colorway?let ortho into your life
Post by: CGreat on Fri, 11 September 2020, 17:25:49
All remaining orders for NovelKeys_ will be picked up today. Olivia++ complete.
Extras will be announced later through our newsletter.
Very excited. Thank you for the update :thumb:
Post by: dibkib on Sat, 12 September 2020, 12:33:14
Olivia++ Spacebars:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/noZpJpN.jpg)
Vs JTK spacebarsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZXd55lC.jpg)
3 KeyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/af9xHw1.jpg)
@ symbolShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/JfYa2rv.jpg)
Incoming:
it'S aLwAYS BeEn lIkE this.
The 2, 3 and 4 keys all look fine to me. What part of them is problematic?
As said above, the spacebars should be installed first. My spacebar from my OG HF set appears warped due to flashing and molding, but the posts sit straight and even so the stabs don't bind or make any funny sounds. If they are warped enough to affect the stabilizer, a little warm water or a hair dryer and some weights will straighten them right out.
Also, if you're not happy with the set, I'd be happy to take it off your hands.
The legends are blobby and uneven. It's subtle but noticeable on several keys (these two are the worst) and I have this issue on both the Light and Dark sets. Here's GMK 8008 (Top) and Olivia Light (Bottom) for comparison:
(https://i.ibb.co/c6TkW0r/IMG-5481.jpg)
Of course it's fine, but it's a shame because you're used to having crisp legends from GMK and this makes the set looks less polished.
Post by: Lufenia on Sat, 12 September 2020, 13:13:50
Post by: bobgr8 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:07:42
(https://i.imgur.com/lUYrxlD.jpg)
Esc
(https://i.imgur.com/5AT5HOM.jpg)
idk even know how bad it is, I'm not even looking anymore.
Any self respecting manufacture strives to improve, but lets just wait to hear GMK say "it's within specs"
Post by: titanium on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:17:32
"F" RowShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/lUYrxlD.jpg)
EscShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/5AT5HOM.jpg)
idk even know how bad it is, I'm not even looking anymore.
Any self respecting manufacture strives to improve, but lets just wait to hear GMK say "it's within specs"
You are clearly unhappy with your purchase.
Why not just sell it and move on?
I will buy it from you for retail + shipping :)
Post by: bobgr8 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:26:36
Getting extras should not be too hard ;D
Post by: zoomwalt on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:48:40
Man I waited 9 Months+ xD Still excited to have them, just a little disappointed by the lack of quality. If I recall correctly there are a lot of extras, there was a debate on the IC about extras funding as well.
Getting extras should not be too hard ;D
I have GMK sets that I bought in 2016 that are similar quality. I think people just hype sets up too much and then get disappointed.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sat, 12 September 2020, 16:54:39
"F" RowYeah this is pathetic. Sorry dude, hate it for you.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lUYrxlD.jpg)
EscShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/5AT5HOM.jpg)
idk even know how bad it is, I'm not even looking anymore.
Any self respecting manufacture strives to improve, but lets just wait to hear GMK say "it's within specs"
Post by: mrpetrov on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:10:12
EscShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/5AT5HOM.jpg)
The top part of the "E" here reminds me of an Elvis hair-do
Post by: singabore on Sat, 12 September 2020, 18:33:40
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sat, 12 September 2020, 19:28:29
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If I focus I guess I can pick out Shift , ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ), Control Code Alt, but it's not enough to really bug me right now.
Good enough to finish off my first old custom with, I'm happy.
At least my spacebars are straight, no teeter tottering.
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:16:42
Man I waited 9 Months+ xD Still excited to have them, just a little disappointed by the lack of quality. If I recall correctly there are a lot of extras, there was a debate on the IC about extras funding as well.
Getting extras should not be too hard ;D
I have GMK sets that I bought in 2016 that are similar quality. I think people just hype sets up too much and then get disappointed.
Then you my friend haven't been paying attention : ) or have lower standards (which is ok :P )
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100983.msg2873695#msg2873695
(https://i.imgur.com/Wna63YD.jpg)
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:26:23
Man I waited 9 Months+ xD Still excited to have them, just a little disappointed by the lack of quality. If I recall correctly there are a lot of extras, there was a debate on the IC about extras funding as well.
Getting extras should not be too hard ;D
I have GMK sets that I bought in 2016 that are similar quality. I think people just hype sets up too much and then get disappointed.
Then you my friend haven't been paying attention : ) or have lower standards (which is ok :P )
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100983.msg2873695#msg2873695Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wna63YD.jpg)
Is this how close everyone else gets to their caps when they're typing? That's kinda wild. I usually just sit up straight and stare at the screen.
Post by: Lufenia on Sun, 13 September 2020, 07:30:36
Post by: zoomwalt on Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:18:49
Man I waited 9 Months+ xD Still excited to have them, just a little disappointed by the lack of quality. If I recall correctly there are a lot of extras, there was a debate on the IC about extras funding as well.
Getting extras should not be too hard ;D
I have GMK sets that I bought in 2016 that are similar quality. I think people just hype sets up too much and then get disappointed.
Then you my friend haven't been paying attention : ) or have lower standards (which is ok :P )
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100983.msg2873695#msg2873695Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wna63YD.jpg)
Or what if my attention to detail is fine, but you're just way too picky? At the end of the day, you are just making your own life difficult. Learn to relax :)
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:13:27
Post by: _PixelNinja on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:19:42
Post by: lemongrassii on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:22:21
So I did some decoding and voilΰ! :D
(https://i.imgur.com/TFUPilQ.png)
"THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING IN THE CREATION OF THIS KEYSET AND THANK YOU EVEN
MORE FOR SOLVING THIS PUZZLE! I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND ATTENTION <2"
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:24:49
I don't see why there could not be a middle ground where we can accept that GMK keysets are not perfect (and have never been) while also asking for better quality control in regards to legitimate issues.
But wob set I got is perfect XD not even a half mm bent on spacebar.
Mainly, I just don't understand why we consumers have to be their Q&A. Their are grown ass 40 years company, they should know how to do that
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:26:43
Received the set yesterday and noticed that the bandolier design looked a little odd, almost like a punched card, 80 columns and 12 rows..Oh wow, thats super clever of both Olivia and you to discover and decipher it!
So I did some decoding and voilΰ! :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TFUPilQ.png)
"THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING IN THE CREATION OF THIS KEYSET AND THANK YOU EVEN
MORE FOR SOLVING THIS PUZZLE! I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND ATTENTION <2"
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:27:37
Received the set yesterday and noticed that the bandolier design looked a little odd, almost like a punched card, 80 columns and 12 rows..
So I did some decoding and voilΰ! :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TFUPilQ.png)
"THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING IN THE CREATION OF THIS KEYSET AND THANK YOU EVEN
MORE FOR SOLVING THIS PUZZLE! I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND ATTENTION <2"
Nice :D
Post by: lemongrassii on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:37:36
Received the set yesterday and noticed that the bandolier design looked a little odd, almost like a punched card, 80 columns and 12 rows..Oh wow, thats super clever of both Olivia and you to discover and decipher it!
So I did some decoding and voilΰ! :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TFUPilQ.png)
"THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING IN THE CREATION OF THIS KEYSET AND THANK YOU EVEN
MORE FOR SOLVING THIS PUZZLE! I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND ATTENTION <2"
Haha thanks! Just couldn't let you beat me to the punch a second time after you were already the one to figure out the GB date :thumb:
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:50:54
Haha I looked at the boxes and was like, oh thats a fun pattern and then thought nothing more of it!Received the set yesterday and noticed that the bandolier design looked a little odd, almost like a punched card, 80 columns and 12 rows..Oh wow, thats super clever of both Olivia and you to discover and decipher it!
So I did some decoding and voilΰ! :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/TFUPilQ.png)
"THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING IN THE CREATION OF THIS KEYSET AND THANK YOU EVEN
MORE FOR SOLVING THIS PUZZLE! I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND ATTENTION <2"
Haha thanks! Just couldn't let you beat me to the punch a second time after you were already the one to figure out the GB date :thumb:
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 15 September 2020, 17:28:44
Post by: olsen34 on Tue, 15 September 2020, 21:23:09
Post by: itsmartin on Tue, 15 September 2020, 23:33:27
Mounted them and didnt notice at all.
Set looks great and performs its job as a nice looking set of keycaps - just like I expected.
Post by: rikercd on Tue, 15 September 2020, 23:44:05
I'm way less worried about that than I am the goofy looking legends.
Post by: dak148 on Wed, 16 September 2020, 14:44:26
Post by: quinnx on Wed, 16 September 2020, 15:52:20
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 16 September 2020, 16:05:22
Man yall got fooled by the GMK hype hard. This community when it first started out really tried to justify their $200 on keysets to newcomers by saying "Look high quality double shot. Flawless legends!". But the legends were never flawless, in fact some of it improved over time when I compare my gmk olivia to gmk hyperfuse. You buy GMK for the colors, it's that simple. The new tray is trash and it's probably way more overpriced than people think it is (especially now that none of this is so niche like it used to be) but you can't complain like GMK took a massive step backwards. This was always what GMK was.
Oh man, you got us. And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 16 September 2020, 18:32:56
Man yall got fooled by the GMK hype hard. This community when it first started out really tried to justify their $200 on keysets to newcomers by saying "Look high quality double shot. Flawless legends!". But the legends were never flawless, in fact some of it improved over time when I compare my gmk olivia to gmk hyperfuse. You buy GMK for the colors, it's that simple. The new tray is trash and it's probably way more overpriced than people think it is (especially now that none of this is so niche like it used to be) but you can't complain like GMK took a massive step backwards. This was always what GMK was.
You're so wrong it hurts.
Post by: Clyde1 on Wed, 16 September 2020, 18:59:51
Post by: JFAK3 on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:20:55
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:25:35
Is that the normal markup to go from $110 group buy to $170 for extras base kits? i know folks will pay it, just a little bit sticker shocked at the 55% markup. Not sure if this is standard practice or if it feels inflated for this set. New to the community and legitimately curious.
Yes, this markup is 100% the norm and is the minimum mark up you'll see on extras. Pre-ordering is a bonus and a money saver.
The markup is still better than buying aftermarket.
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:25:54
Is that the normal markup to go from $110 group buy to $170 for extras base kits? i know folks will pay it, just a little bit sticker shocked at the 55% markup. Not sure if this is standard practice or if it feels inflated for this set. New to the community and legitimately curious.
Yeah, Novelkeys usually marks extras up quite a bit.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:30:46
Is that the normal markup to go from $110 group buy to $170 for extras base kits? i know folks will pay it, just a little bit sticker shocked at the 55% markup. Not sure if this is standard practice or if it feels inflated for this set. New to the community and legitimately curious.
Yes. Given that these are going for $300 on the secondary market, the sticker shock is that NovelKeys isn't charging more.
Post by: JFAK3 on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:33:04
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 17 September 2020, 15:59:52
Thanks for the note. I looked through and found a similar thread. Someone had the same question on the GMK Apollo sets. Similar markup and comments that a typical in stock GMK base set runs around $180.
I know it's just semantics, but I wouldn't even call it a markup.
The point of a groupbuy is people are taking on risk that the groupbuy will fail or otherwise not deliver what was expected. There is also a time element since a GMK groupbuy could take a year (or more).
So, the groupbuy is effectively a discount off of the retail price.
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Thu, 17 September 2020, 17:32:35
Post by: hammerbrotha on Thu, 17 September 2020, 22:10:01
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Post by: NoteMakoti on Fri, 18 September 2020, 02:37:39
Post by: robbieheart on Fri, 18 September 2020, 12:43:36
Post by: constantinos on Fri, 18 September 2020, 13:04:15
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Fri, 18 September 2020, 14:13:15
Man yall got fooled by the GMK hype hard. This community when it first started out really tried to justify their $200 on keysets to newcomers by saying "Look high quality double shot. Flawless legends!". But the legends were never flawless, in fact some of it improved over time when I compare my gmk olivia to gmk hyperfuse. You buy GMK for the colors, it's that simple. The new tray is trash and it's probably way more overpriced than people think it is (especially now that none of this is so niche like it used to be) but you can't complain like GMK took a massive step backwards. This was always what GMK was.
You're so wrong it hurts.
And yet you can't point out what I'm wrong about
Post by: Domantas on Fri, 18 September 2020, 17:35:12
Is that the normal markup to go from $110 group buy to $170 for extras base kits? i know folks will pay it, just a little bit sticker shocked at the 55% markup. Not sure if this is standard practice or if it feels inflated for this set. New to the community and legitimately curious.
Yup this is more than fair. In the aftermarket it will be 200%-250% and it is also fair-ish
Post by: Domantas on Fri, 18 September 2020, 17:36:14
I think my Bento 7u spacebar had a slight amount of warp but it's by far the least noticeable of all of my sets when mounted. The slight flexibility of ABS lends itself well to being pressed flat while mounted on a board. Olivia++ spacebar looks fine as well.
I'm way less worried about that than I am the goofy looking legends.
I am oposite I am whatever with legends, but really hate bent spacebars :D
Post by: YangYoga on Mon, 21 September 2020, 05:41:55
Post by: alpaone on Mon, 21 September 2020, 06:28:17
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I'm way less worried about that than I am the goofy looking legends.
I'm in the same boat. My spacebar works fine, but the legend on the 1.5u Code key seems to be in a noticeable lighter font weight than all the other legends.
(https://i.imgur.com/MET2mvS.jpg)
Post by: phinix on Mon, 21 September 2020, 11:15:16
Post by: JFAK3 on Mon, 21 September 2020, 11:19:05
Extras went in less than 30 seconds. I only managed to add it to cart, but was too late for checkout :D
Was more like 20 seconds. Check the aftermarket page. Feels like this was botted and will be a lot of resale unless the rumors on the number of extra kits was off.
Post by: PallyP on Mon, 21 September 2020, 11:38:37
Extras went in less than 30 seconds. I only managed to add it to cart, but was too late for checkout :D
Was more like 20 seconds. Check the aftermarket page. Feels like this was botted and will be a lot of resale unless the rumors on the number of extra kits was off.
Was a minute late and managed to get a dark kit (unsure if there's just less demand or what not)
Post by: taats on Mon, 21 September 2020, 12:03:13
Post by: yicaoyimu on Mon, 21 September 2020, 12:59:46
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 21 September 2020, 13:01:44
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 21 September 2020, 13:31:02
Post by: Drehunnid on Mon, 21 September 2020, 14:58:25
Post by: higgga on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:02:54
Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
Post by: Anthixious on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:11:51
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:20:49
Are we sure there were no bots? :(, these sets went pretty (insert word here) fast >:(Is it really that hard to believe that a handful of sets flew when everyone and there mother were trying to get one? It's a supply vs demand issue, not a bot issue.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:23:51
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
Post by: Anthixious on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:28:19
Are we sure there were no bots? :(, these sets went pretty (insert word here) fast >:(Is it really that hard to believe that a handful of sets flew when everyone and there mother were trying to get one? It's a supply vs demand issue, not a bot issue.
I'm clearly frustrated as is the other people, apologies, but yes your logic is sound.
Post by: higgga on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:35:16
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 21 September 2020, 15:56:14
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
Yes you have to spend money to make money. You can't keep looking at these multi-team vendors shoveling people limited product as small, friendly teams. They are a business whos ultimate goal is to make money. Meeting consumer satisfaction should be their highest priority, and limited time sensitive product denies that. Novelkeys itself is capable of running an unlimited group buy on the NK65, which should amount easily to the thousands, and have started to purchase keysets outright to stock in their store. There is no reason for anyone to sit on their hands and expect this model to keep working, other than to keep inflating consumer interest in limited product to ensure they rush to get them "because, dear god if I don't buy this RIGHT NOW I'll only have 30 seconds in a year to get it or else I'm paying triple the price!", and creating a vapid hype machine that isn't a healthy mindset for a hobby to be directed in. I don't wait a year or pay triple for a specific coat of paint for my model car. I don't fight bots and other people for a specific color Gunpla detailing marker in a 3rd party aftermarket. These products are available to me and I am supplied them in a reasonable time frame and manner, and expecting this incredibly reasonable treatment in any hobby as a consumer should not be fantasy. Idly waiting by and making excuses that vendors can only do so much cuts the hobby at the knees.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 21 September 2020, 16:11:49
I think everything you are saying is logically correct and sound, but I thought we were all on the same page that this hobby is supposed to be a vapid hype machine. Vendors are businesses, so they should be treated like them. You, and me, and everyone who is not a vendor is a wallet with money, and are treated as such by vendors.Yes you have to spend money to make money. You can't keep looking at these multi-team vendors shoveling people limited product as small, friendly teams. They are a business whos ultimate goal is to make money. Meeting consumer satisfaction should be their highest priority, and limited time sensitive product denies that. Novelkeys itself is capable of running an unlimited group buy on the NK65, which should amount easily to the thousands, and have started to purchase keysets outright to stock in their store. There is no reason for anyone to sit on their hands and expect this model to keep working, other than to keep inflating consumer interest in limited product to ensure they rush to get them "because, dear god if I don't buy this RIGHT NOW I'll only have 30 seconds in a year to get it or else I'm paying triple the price!", and creating a vapid hype machine that isn't a healthy mindset for a hobby to be directed in. I don't wait a year or pay triple for a specific coat of paint for my model car. I don't fight bots and other people for a specific color Gunpla detailing marker in a 3rd party aftermarket. These products are available to me and I am supplied them in a reasonable time frame and manner, and expecting this incredibly reasonable treatment in any hobby as a consumer should not be fantasy. Idly waiting by and making excuses that vendors can only do so much cuts the hobby at the knees.Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
From a business stand point it makes more sense to just GB these hype sets, markup a minimal amount of extras, and keep that hype machine pumping.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 21 September 2020, 16:18:02
I think everything you are saying is logically correct and sound, but I thought we were all on the same page that this hobby is supposed to be a vapid hype machine. Vendors are businesses, so they should be treated like them. You, and me, and everyone who is not a vendor is a wallet with money, and are treated as such by vendors.Yes you have to spend money to make money. You can't keep looking at these multi-team vendors shoveling people limited product as small, friendly teams. They are a business whos ultimate goal is to make money. Meeting consumer satisfaction should be their highest priority, and limited time sensitive product denies that. Novelkeys itself is capable of running an unlimited group buy on the NK65, which should amount easily to the thousands, and have started to purchase keysets outright to stock in their store. There is no reason for anyone to sit on their hands and expect this model to keep working, other than to keep inflating consumer interest in limited product to ensure they rush to get them "because, dear god if I don't buy this RIGHT NOW I'll only have 30 seconds in a year to get it or else I'm paying triple the price!", and creating a vapid hype machine that isn't a healthy mindset for a hobby to be directed in. I don't wait a year or pay triple for a specific coat of paint for my model car. I don't fight bots and other people for a specific color Gunpla detailing marker in a 3rd party aftermarket. These products are available to me and I am supplied them in a reasonable time frame and manner, and expecting this incredibly reasonable treatment in any hobby as a consumer should not be fantasy. Idly waiting by and making excuses that vendors can only do so much cuts the hobby at the knees.Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
From a business stand point it makes more sense to just GB these hype sets, markup a minimal amount of extras, and keep that hype machine pumping.
That sounds like a terrible way to spend my time, and that was not the impression I was personally given when delving deeper into the hobby. I found a builders hobby that had seemingly unlimited personalization potential, and even more as you learn 3d modeling and dabble into engineering. It can be argued that flashy colored keysets are only a fraction of what I am capable of experiencing, but denying the people that have chosen to use these colors to personalize their keyboard and make something that is truly theirs the experience of a hobby that has normal and trusted consumer practices is heartbreaking. I personally do not want to sit back and accept that vendors can keep running anti-consumer business models. They have the ability to change into something familiar to most other people who have been in a hobby before, and choosing not to do so is greed and manipulation.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 21 September 2020, 16:28:21
I, again, agree and share the similar experiences, but I also think this hobby has grown too big to not be a consumerist focused experience. Greed and manipulation are just par for the course when something gets big enough to make a buck off of. It's the tradeoff for quicker and more content in the hobby, such as the jubilee of switches, keycaps, etc. Back in the day there was nowhere near the amount of production that is coming out of this hobby. I guess my point is that having this hobby being more about customization/experimentation than about following hype trains was doomed when the community was set to grow as much as it did.I think everything you are saying is logically correct and sound, but I thought we were all on the same page that this hobby is supposed to be a vapid hype machine. Vendors are businesses, so they should be treated like them. You, and me, and everyone who is not a vendor is a wallet with money, and are treated as such by vendors.Yes you have to spend money to make money. You can't keep looking at these multi-team vendors shoveling people limited product as small, friendly teams. They are a business whos ultimate goal is to make money. Meeting consumer satisfaction should be their highest priority, and limited time sensitive product denies that. Novelkeys itself is capable of running an unlimited group buy on the NK65, which should amount easily to the thousands, and have started to purchase keysets outright to stock in their store. There is no reason for anyone to sit on their hands and expect this model to keep working, other than to keep inflating consumer interest in limited product to ensure they rush to get them "because, dear god if I don't buy this RIGHT NOW I'll only have 30 seconds in a year to get it or else I'm paying triple the price!", and creating a vapid hype machine that isn't a healthy mindset for a hobby to be directed in. I don't wait a year or pay triple for a specific coat of paint for my model car. I don't fight bots and other people for a specific color Gunpla detailing marker in a 3rd party aftermarket. These products are available to me and I am supplied them in a reasonable time frame and manner, and expecting this incredibly reasonable treatment in any hobby as a consumer should not be fantasy. Idly waiting by and making excuses that vendors can only do so much cuts the hobby at the knees.Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
From a business stand point it makes more sense to just GB these hype sets, markup a minimal amount of extras, and keep that hype machine pumping.
That sounds like a terrible way to spend my time, and that was not the impression I was personally given when delving deeper into the hobby. I found a builders hobby that had seemingly unlimited personalization potential, and even more as you learn 3d modeling and dabble into engineering. It can be argued that flashy colored keysets are only a fraction of what I am capable of experiencing, but denying the people that have chosen to use these colors to personalize their keyboard and make something that is truly theirs the experience of a hobby that has normal and trusted consumer practices is heartbreaking. I personally do not want to sit back and accept that vendors can keep running anti-consumer business models. They have the ability to change into something familiar to most other people who have been in a hobby before, and choosing not to do so is greed and manipulation.
Post by: nices on Mon, 21 September 2020, 17:41:57
absolutely agree.I think everything you are saying is logically correct and sound, but I thought we were all on the same page that this hobby is supposed to be a vapid hype machine. Vendors are businesses, so they should be treated like them. You, and me, and everyone who is not a vendor is a wallet with money, and are treated as such by vendors.Yes you have to spend money to make money. You can't keep looking at these multi-team vendors shoveling people limited product as small, friendly teams. They are a business whos ultimate goal is to make money. Meeting consumer satisfaction should be their highest priority, and limited time sensitive product denies that. Novelkeys itself is capable of running an unlimited group buy on the NK65, which should amount easily to the thousands, and have started to purchase keysets outright to stock in their store. There is no reason for anyone to sit on their hands and expect this model to keep working, other than to keep inflating consumer interest in limited product to ensure they rush to get them "because, dear god if I don't buy this RIGHT NOW I'll only have 30 seconds in a year to get it or else I'm paying triple the price!", and creating a vapid hype machine that isn't a healthy mindset for a hobby to be directed in. I don't wait a year or pay triple for a specific coat of paint for my model car. I don't fight bots and other people for a specific color Gunpla detailing marker in a 3rd party aftermarket. These products are available to me and I am supplied them in a reasonable time frame and manner, and expecting this incredibly reasonable treatment in any hobby as a consumer should not be fantasy. Idly waiting by and making excuses that vendors can only do so much cuts the hobby at the knees.Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
From a business stand point it makes more sense to just GB these hype sets, markup a minimal amount of extras, and keep that hype machine pumping.
That sounds like a terrible way to spend my time, and that was not the impression I was personally given when delving deeper into the hobby. I found a builders hobby that had seemingly unlimited personalization potential, and even more as you learn 3d modeling and dabble into engineering. It can be argued that flashy colored keysets are only a fraction of what I am capable of experiencing, but denying the people that have chosen to use these colors to personalize their keyboard and make something that is truly theirs the experience of a hobby that has normal and trusted consumer practices is heartbreaking. I personally do not want to sit back and accept that vendors can keep running anti-consumer business models. They have the ability to change into something familiar to most other people who have been in a hobby before, and choosing not to do so is greed and manipulation.
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 21 September 2020, 17:47:16
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.
I am on mobile, so I am sorry for formatting or typos here. To quickly answer your question though.
It is not possible to predict the future. You are talking about ordering 10,000s of sets to sit on not making any of that money back for almost a year. While we try to predict and increase growth it is impossible to order that amount without being able to make any money back on that. You are seriously talkings about million dollar purchases like they are nothing. Even for well developed businesses, that would be a huge expenditure.
With Metropolis, we ordered over 300 base kits of extras. We sat on those extras for over 2 months. With Olivia++ we had over 1,000 base kits. We invested more than we have ever before with an order. It took 9 months to get the keycaps in. In that time, the community has grown (again not something that is easily able to be predicted).
The main issue with this concern is GMKs lead time. Even if we directly ordered right now for any set, we still have over a 35 week lead time, for an order that is required to be paid up front. This amount for a single transaction is not conducive to growing a business. This is exactly the reason I have been exploring other keycap sets and trying to keep them in stock. And we have more in stock sets coming soon - just not GMK.
Until GMK can give lead times of 8-10 weeks again, this model will continue the way that it is.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 21 September 2020, 18:14:34
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.
I am on mobile, so I am sorry for formatting or typos here. To quickly answer your question though.
It is not possible to predict the future. You are talking about ordering 10,000s of sets to sit on not making any of that money back for almost a year. While we try to predict and increase growth it is impossible to order that amount without being able to make any money back on that. You are seriously talkings about million dollar purchases like they are nothing. Even for well developed businesses, that would be a huge expenditure.
With Metropolis, we ordered over 300 base kits of extras. We sat on those extras for over 2 months. With Olivia++ we had over 1,000 base kits. We invested more than we have ever before with an order. It took 9 months to get the keycaps in. In that time, the community has grown (again not something that is easily able to be predicted).
The main issue with this concern is GMKs lead time. Even if we directly ordered right now for any set, we still have over a 35 week lead time, for an order that is required to be paid up front. This amount for a single transaction is not conducive to growing a business. This is exactly the reason I have been exploring other keycap sets and trying to keep them in stock. And we have more in stock sets coming soon - just not GMK.
Until GMK can give lead times of 8-10 weeks again, this model will continue the way that it is.
Buying keycap sets to instock is what I feel is key moving forward and I did commend you on that before. A lot of what I feel you're trying to convey is that GMK can not possibly keep up with this kind of demand, and that moving forward (especially based on the way you're moving other keycap product into your store) they might not be the best option for the hobby. I don't think it's very fair to regard one manufacturer as the end all be all to keycap premiums, especially when all I see from vendors is they feel their business needs are not being met by GMK. I really hope Novelpro does eventually come along, and can either create a smaller time frame from people giving money to receiving their product, or straight up in stocking product that you and other vendors are in complete control of. That is the future I would like to see.
Post by: higgga on Mon, 21 September 2020, 20:01:07
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.
I am on mobile, so I am sorry for formatting or typos here. To quickly answer your question though.
It is not possible to predict the future. You are talking about ordering 10,000s of sets to sit on not making any of that money back for almost a year. While we try to predict and increase growth it is impossible to order that amount without being able to make any money back on that. You are seriously talkings about million dollar purchases like they are nothing. Even for well developed businesses, that would be a huge expenditure.
With Metropolis, we ordered over 300 base kits of extras. We sat on those extras for over 2 months. With Olivia++ we had over 1,000 base kits. We invested more than we have ever before with an order. It took 9 months to get the keycaps in. In that time, the community has grown (again not something that is easily able to be predicted).
The main issue with this concern is GMKs lead time. Even if we directly ordered right now for any set, we still have over a 35 week lead time, for an order that is required to be paid up front. This amount for a single transaction is not conducive to growing a business. This is exactly the reason I have been exploring other keycap sets and trying to keep them in stock. And we have more in stock sets coming soon - just not GMK.
Until GMK can give lead times of 8-10 weeks again, this model will continue the way that it is.
Buying keycap sets to instock is what I feel is key moving forward and I did commend you on that before. A lot of what I feel you're trying to convey is that GMK can not possibly keep up with this kind of demand, and that moving forward (especially based on the way you're moving other keycap product into your store) they might not be the best option for the hobby. I don't think it's very fair to regard one manufacturer as the end all be all to keycap premiums, especially when all I see from vendors is they feel their business needs are not being met by GMK. I really hope Novelpro does eventually come along, and can either create a smaller time frame from people giving money to receiving their product, or straight up in stocking product that you and other vendors are in complete control of. That is the future I would like to see.
Why does it have to be so all or nothing? If GMK doesn't operate how you like, you can get other caps. There are still plenty of people that want GMK, so I don't see why vendors shouldn't be ordering from them. tbh, it sounds like your issue is more with GMK than any vendor.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 21 September 2020, 22:32:23
The fact of the matter is NovelKeys could have made much more money by selling the sellers on /r/mm, but they didn't. Novelkeys should be pricing items based on what they are worth rather than pricing everything at the exact same price whether it's GMK Metropolis (low demand) or GMK Olivia (high demand).
Post by: briantotheyanyan on Mon, 21 September 2020, 22:44:00
Everyone ready to pounce on vendor when something sells out, but no one is stepping up to buy-out in stock inventory items.
The fact of the matter is NovelKeys could have made much more money by selling the sellers on /r/mm, but they didn't. Novelkeys should be pricing items based on what they are worth rather than pricing everything at the exact same price whether it's GMK Metropolis (low demand) or GMK Olivia (high demand).
And then when this happens, people will still complain that the price has gone up and that will get vendors like Novelkeys into more crap for price gouging. It's a no-win situation for them. Either they sell it at a price that doesn't piss people off but causes shortages like this, or they bump up the price and garner ill will which may make them lose the business of customers going forward who are angry about it.
I am pretty dang grateful that we have someone in this community who's willing to help the community grow and make things accessible despite the crap that people give them sometimes on these forums. Novelkeys has certainly made it significantly easier for someone like me to get into custom mechanical keyboards over the past year.
Post by: _PixelNinja on Tue, 22 September 2020, 06:35:47
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Tue, 22 September 2020, 08:17:36
Post by: prognostics on Tue, 22 September 2020, 08:50:52
Just participate in the group buy, you wont have to worry about going for extras and it will be cheaper. Stop blaming vendors for not spending more of their money to benefit you. Your entitled to the same chance as all of us to grab any set. If you got into the hobby after Olivia was launched or it was something you thought you didn't want but do now then welcome to the club -- we've all been there.
Some people in this thread, even
I live for the day NK_ doesn't have to apologize after a product release
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 22 September 2020, 09:00:22
Just participate in the group buy, you wont have to worry about going for extras and it will be cheaper. Stop blaming vendors for not spending more of their money to benefit you. Your entitled to the same chance as all of us to grab any set. If you got into the hobby after Olivia was launched or it was something you thought you didn't want but do now then welcome to the club -- we've all been there.This is the real answer here. Help out the MOQ, don't just ride the coat tails. Plus, there are plenty of people selling on the market. Just pick up a set from them if you are that desperate. Nobody owes anything to anyone
Post by: gbenz on Tue, 22 September 2020, 12:56:26
Post by: briantotheyanyan on Tue, 22 September 2020, 13:05:19
I mean, if the demand is really high then they can also do an R2 some time in the future
This was R2. :)
Post by: NoteMakoti on Tue, 22 September 2020, 13:23:54
I mean, if the demand is really high then they can also do an R2 some time in the future
This was R2. :)
There's probably gonna be an R3 by the end of the year.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 22 September 2020, 14:15:38
This community can be super toxic.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 22 September 2020, 14:34:41
Remember all the hate that Olivia got when they announced Olivia++? It was so bad that they had to lock the IC thread.That was about the kitting not including the international kit, which I kinda get now. The International kit isn't free profit like the other kits. It's way better to keep the kits standardized to max the profits. I think the same can be said about the idea of stocking kits for sale. Vendors aren't here to take hits for people. They are here to make a buck, and it's not fair to ask them to do otherwise.
This community can be super toxic.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 22 September 2020, 15:14:07
Remember all the hate that Olivia got when they announced Olivia++? It was so bad that they had to lock the IC thread.That was about the kitting not including the international kit, which I kinda get now. The International kit isn't free profit like the other kits. It's way better to keep the kits standardized to max the profits. I think the same can be said about the idea of stocking kits for sale. Vendors aren't here to take hits for people. They are here to make a buck, and it's not fair to ask them to do otherwise.
This community can be super toxic.
And lack of support for Minivan.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 22 September 2020, 15:40:54
LOL Oh yeah, I forgot about the boycott dramaRemember all the hate that Olivia got when they announced Olivia++? It was so bad that they had to lock the IC thread.That was about the kitting not including the international kit, which I kinda get now. The International kit isn't free profit like the other kits. It's way better to keep the kits standardized to max the profits. I think the same can be said about the idea of stocking kits for sale. Vendors aren't here to take hits for people. They are here to make a buck, and it's not fair to ask them to do otherwise.
This community can be super toxic.
And lack of support for Minivan.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 22 September 2020, 21:05:57
LOL Oh yeah, I forgot about the boycott dramaRemember all the hate that Olivia got when they announced Olivia++? It was so bad that they had to lock the IC thread.That was about the kitting not including the international kit, which I kinda get now. The International kit isn't free profit like the other kits. It's way better to keep the kits standardized to max the profits. I think the same can be said about the idea of stocking kits for sale. Vendors aren't here to take hits for people. They are here to make a buck, and it's not fair to ask them to do otherwise.
This community can be super toxic.
And lack of support for Minivan.
I wonder how many people that "boycotted" the GB are now complaining about the difficulty in buying extras.
Post by: stevenT on Tue, 22 September 2020, 22:39:49
Just participate in the group buy, you wont have to worry about going for extras and it will be cheaper. Stop blaming vendors for not spending more of their money to benefit you. Your entitled to the same chance as all of us to grab any set. If you got into the hobby after Olivia was launched or it was something you thought you didn't want but do now then welcome to the club -- we've all been there.:thumb: true
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 September 2020, 00:06:49
I mean, if the demand is really high then they can also do an R2 some time in the future
R3*
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 September 2020, 00:07:16
Post by: Domantas on Thu, 24 September 2020, 12:37:20
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 24 September 2020, 13:16:13
Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Post by: zoomwalt on Thu, 24 September 2020, 15:12:17
Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.
I am on mobile, so I am sorry for formatting or typos here. To quickly answer your question though.
It is not possible to predict the future. You are talking about ordering 10,000s of sets to sit on not making any of that money back for almost a year. While we try to predict and increase growth it is impossible to order that amount without being able to make any money back on that. You are seriously talkings about million dollar purchases like they are nothing. Even for well developed businesses, that would be a huge expenditure.
With Metropolis, we ordered over 300 base kits of extras. We sat on those extras for over 2 months. With Olivia++ we had over 1,000 base kits. We invested more than we have ever before with an order. It took 9 months to get the keycaps in. In that time, the community has grown (again not something that is easily able to be predicted).
The main issue with this concern is GMKs lead time. Even if we directly ordered right now for any set, we still have over a 35 week lead time, for an order that is required to be paid up front. This amount for a single transaction is not conducive to growing a business. This is exactly the reason I have been exploring other keycap sets and trying to keep them in stock. And we have more in stock sets coming soon - just not GMK.
Until GMK can give lead times of 8-10 weeks again, this model will continue the way that it is.
Buying keycap sets to instock is what I feel is key moving forward and I did commend you on that before. A lot of what I feel you're trying to convey is that GMK can not possibly keep up with this kind of demand, and that moving forward (especially based on the way you're moving other keycap product into your store) they might not be the best option for the hobby. I don't think it's very fair to regard one manufacturer as the end all be all to keycap premiums, especially when all I see from vendors is they feel their business needs are not being met by GMK. I really hope Novelpro does eventually come along, and can either create a smaller time frame from people giving money to receiving their product, or straight up in stocking product that you and other vendors are in complete control of. That is the future I would like to see.
If you want to buy in-stock GMK sets, then head over to Originative.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 24 September 2020, 15:54:55
Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Novelkey's only mistake was not selling extras at a higher price.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 24 September 2020, 15:55:43
Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxies
I wonder if people remember that it took a few days for GMK Striker extras to sell out?
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 24 September 2020, 16:04:10
I concur, but I think we'll see prices rise for extras. Olivia base kit extras where at a 65% markup, but I'm pretty sure KAT milkshake was like 35% markup. I think they are feeling it out and moving the price up slowly. If they jump prices too quickly people will ***** about them like they do scalpers that aren't vendors. Move the needle slowly and nobody will notice.Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Novelkey's only mistake was not selling extras at a higher price.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 24 September 2020, 16:59:06
I concur, but I think we'll see prices rise for extras. Olivia base kit extras where at a 65% markup, but I'm pretty sure KAT milkshake was like 35% markup. I think they are feeling it out and moving the price up slowly. If they jump prices too quickly people will ***** about them like they do scalpers that aren't vendors. Move the needle slowly and nobody will notice.Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Novelkey's only mistake was not selling extras at a higher price.
They price GMK and KAT differently. They've been pretty consistent with their GMK extra pricing if I recall.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Thu, 24 September 2020, 17:09:23
Post by: lvl2cow on Thu, 24 September 2020, 21:38:32
absolutely agree.I think everything you are saying is logically correct and sound, but I thought we were all on the same page that this hobby is supposed to be a vapid hype machine. Vendors are businesses, so they should be treated like them. You, and me, and everyone who is not a vendor is a wallet with money, and are treated as such by vendors.Yes you have to spend money to make money. You can't keep looking at these multi-team vendors shoveling people limited product as small, friendly teams. They are a business whos ultimate goal is to make money. Meeting consumer satisfaction should be their highest priority, and limited time sensitive product denies that. Novelkeys itself is capable of running an unlimited group buy on the NK65, which should amount easily to the thousands, and have started to purchase keysets outright to stock in their store. There is no reason for anyone to sit on their hands and expect this model to keep working, other than to keep inflating consumer interest in limited product to ensure they rush to get them "because, dear god if I don't buy this RIGHT NOW I'll only have 30 seconds in a year to get it or else I'm paying triple the price!", and creating a vapid hype machine that isn't a healthy mindset for a hobby to be directed in. I don't wait a year or pay triple for a specific coat of paint for my model car. I don't fight bots and other people for a specific color Gunpla detailing marker in a 3rd party aftermarket. These products are available to me and I am supplied them in a reasonable time frame and manner, and expecting this incredibly reasonable treatment in any hobby as a consumer should not be fantasy. Idly waiting by and making excuses that vendors can only do so much cuts the hobby at the knees.Why the hell wouldn't I be? Does anyone seriously like waiting a year+ for keycaps or having a few seconds of a window to get an extra set? Does anyone seriously want to pay three times the price for something, EVER? This business model is outdated considering the growth of the hobby. It's time for people who have the ability to step up and make it better.Time for vendors to buy 5 digits of extras, or stock these sets frequently.
Not sure if you're being serious here...
To answer your rhetorical questions, no, but what you're suggesting is not the answer. Buying as many extras as you suggest would mean vendors would have to spend millions of dollars (multiplied by however many sets they are running), then wait 9+ months to see any return. Considering most vendors are teams of a few people at most, I would imagine that it's not possible. Since the wait time is so long, vendors can't stock sets frequently either.
From a business stand point it makes more sense to just GB these hype sets, markup a minimal amount of extras, and keep that hype machine pumping.
That sounds like a terrible way to spend my time, and that was not the impression I was personally given when delving deeper into the hobby. I found a builders hobby that had seemingly unlimited personalization potential, and even more as you learn 3d modeling and dabble into engineering. It can be argued that flashy colored keysets are only a fraction of what I am capable of experiencing, but denying the people that have chosen to use these colors to personalize their keyboard and make something that is truly theirs the experience of a hobby that has normal and trusted consumer practices is heartbreaking. I personally do not want to sit back and accept that vendors can keep running anti-consumer business models. They have the ability to change into something familiar to most other people who have been in a hobby before, and choosing not to do so is greed and manipulation.
i also completely agree.
Post by: tngpq on Thu, 24 September 2020, 21:48:48
I concur, but I think we'll see prices rise for extras. Olivia base kit extras where at a 65% markup, but I'm pretty sure KAT milkshake was like 35% markup. I think they are feeling it out and moving the price up slowly. If they jump prices too quickly people will ***** about them like they do scalpers that aren't vendors. Move the needle slowly and nobody will notice.Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Novelkey's only mistake was not selling extras at a higher price.
They price GMK and KAT differently. They've been pretty consistent with their GMK extra pricing if I recall.
I would say NK has been fair in their GMK extra pricing. Olivia base extra was $170 with a 54% markup from $110 retail. In comparison, Froyo base extra which sat for a while was $175 at a 29% markup from $135 retail.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 24 September 2020, 22:48:04
I concur, but I think we'll see prices rise for extras. Olivia base kit extras where at a 65% markup, but I'm pretty sure KAT milkshake was like 35% markup. I think they are feeling it out and moving the price up slowly. If they jump prices too quickly people will ***** about them like they do scalpers that aren't vendors. Move the needle slowly and nobody will notice.Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Novelkey's only mistake was not selling extras at a higher price.
They price GMK and KAT differently. They've been pretty consistent with their GMK extra pricing if I recall.
I would say NK has been fair in their GMK extra pricing. Olivia base extra was $170 with a 54% markup from $110 retail. In comparison, Froyo base extra which sat for a while was $175 at a 29% markup from $135 retail.
Weird that you call $110 "retail". $110 was the GB price. $170 is retail.
Post by: tngpq on Fri, 25 September 2020, 00:29:33
I concur, but I think we'll see prices rise for extras. Olivia base kit extras where at a 65% markup, but I'm pretty sure KAT milkshake was like 35% markup. I think they are feeling it out and moving the price up slowly. If they jump prices too quickly people will ***** about them like they do scalpers that aren't vendors. Move the needle slowly and nobody will notice.Extras are hard to get. Also vendors don't know what will be "hyped". Yeah they could predict gmk olivia++ to be high demand because it is like all time in demand (like gmk striker (credits to tfue), gmk mizu (credits to taeha XD), gmk lazer (credits to drop and all youtubers) or as for off topic example holy panda (credits to brian and drop)), but they probably want controllable quantities, because they sell not only olivia++. So the only one who can do that is drop, but drop is greedy and don't share sets with proxiesI mean, if vendors didn't think this was going to be hype, they wouldn't have bought like 1k extra kits on the last day of the buy, even after all kits met MOQ. I'm not suggesting vendors should attempt instock sales, or even that they should have bought more kits with or without hindsight, but they knew this set was going to be hype out of this world. We all did lol. I personally think that it's important to remember that you have to feed the hype machine by NOT doing things like unlimited stocking stuff like this. This isn't new to mechs. Streetwear, sneakers, EDC, tech... this same business practice still works, and has worked for years outside (and maybe inside) this hobby. People gotta stay thirsty.
Novelkey's only mistake was not selling extras at a higher price.
They price GMK and KAT differently. They've been pretty consistent with their GMK extra pricing if I recall.
I would say NK has been fair in their GMK extra pricing. Olivia base extra was $170 with a 54% markup from $110 retail. In comparison, Froyo base extra which sat for a while was $175 at a 29% markup from $135 retail.
Weird that you call $110 "retail". $110 was the GB price. $170 is retail.
Whatever you want to call, doesn't make a difference. smh.
Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 25 September 2020, 00:44:03
Post by: zoomwalt on Fri, 25 September 2020, 11:51:33
Makes a $60 difference yo
Yo. You need to realize that when it takes 35 weeks for GMK to produce something, then their inventory turnover is less than 2 per year. By comparison, a retailer like Target turns inventory 6 times per year. To compensate for the low inventory turnover (i.e. having capital tied up in an asset you can't sell readily because GMK production lines are backed up), the have to instead charge a higher price.
Post by: yicaoyimu on Fri, 25 September 2020, 12:11:19
/s
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 25 September 2020, 13:48:58
How dare NK make so much profit from their investment
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I don't think anyone suggest NK shouldn't benefit from their investment... but this is just making @Kokaloo correct. This is business first, community second. I have no dog in the fight. If I were running NK I would have charged more than they did for extras lol so far be it from me to attempt to get up on some fake highhorse. People should be aware that this is how the community operates, though.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 25 September 2020, 14:35:32
How dare NK make so much profit from their investment
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I don't think anyone suggest NK shouldn't benefit from their investment... but this is just making @Kokaloo correct. This is business first, community second. I have no dog in the fight. If I were running NK I would have charged more than they did for extras lol so far be it from me to attempt to get up on some fake highhorse. People should be aware that this is how the community operates, though.
Plenty of people suggest NK shouldn't benefit from their investment. You'll see people on this thread complaining about the "markup".
Post by: Rumblehotep on Fri, 25 September 2020, 14:51:36
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 25 September 2020, 15:11:15
Just participate in the group buy, you wont have to worry about going for extras and it will be cheaper. Stop blaming vendors for not spending more of their money to benefit you. Your entitled to the same chance as all of us to grab any set. If you got into the hobby after Olivia was launched or it was something you thought you didn't want but do now then welcome to the club -- we've all been there.
Well for someone who doesn't have a problem taking advantage of people wanting things by selling them to them at higher prices, even going as far as abusing your power as a moderator in a selling forum, I can understand why you would want nothing to change. Businesses spending more money to supply more people with more things that they want sounds like a all around good thing for most people. I fail to see how others accepting they have to suffer because you did is gonna keep people around or interested. If you wouldn't mind elaborating on why you feel businesses providing more product for the community is bad, I would love to hear it!
Post by: JFAK3 on Fri, 25 September 2020, 18:48:11
Consumers get the fcfs aspect and vendors get $'s notably sooner. All the drama off a 30 second extras sale goes away.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 25 September 2020, 19:21:15
Apparently zfrontier will have some extras of Olivia++ for sale at 9am PDT tomorrow for those still looking for a set.
You hush. :p
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sat, 26 September 2020, 01:04:38
Just participate in the group buy, you wont have to worry about going for extras and it will be cheaper. Stop blaming vendors for not spending more of their money to benefit you. Your entitled to the same chance as all of us to grab any set. If you got into the hobby after Olivia was launched or it was something you thought you didn't want but do now then welcome to the club -- we've all been there.
Well for someone who doesn't have a problem taking advantage of people wanting things by selling them to them at higher prices, even going as far as abusing your power as a moderator in a selling forum, I can understand why you would want nothing to change. Businesses spending more money to supply more people with more things that they want sounds like a all around good thing for most people. I fail to see how others accepting they have to suffer because you did is gonna keep people around or interested. If you wouldn't mind elaborating on why you feel businesses providing more product for the community is bad, I would love to hear it!
Oof, imagine calling it "suffer" when someone didn't participate in a group buy for keycaps.
Post by: Extraxyz on Sat, 26 September 2020, 04:08:24
Just participate in the group buy, you wont have to worry about going for extras and it will be cheaper. Stop blaming vendors for not spending more of their money to benefit you. Your entitled to the same chance as all of us to grab any set. If you got into the hobby after Olivia was launched or it was something you thought you didn't want but do now then welcome to the club -- we've all been there.
Well for someone who doesn't have a problem taking advantage of people wanting things by selling them to them at higher prices, even going as far as abusing your power as a moderator in a selling forum, I can understand why you would want nothing to change. Businesses spending more money to supply more people with more things that they want sounds like a all around good thing for most people. I fail to see how others accepting they have to suffer because you did is gonna keep people around or interested. If you wouldn't mind elaborating on why you feel businesses providing more product for the community is bad, I would love to hear it!
Suffering:
- Not having food or clean water
- Being chronically ill
- Missing out on last-years groupbuy for plastic keycaps you couldn't care less about until 2 weeks ago
Post by: Domantas on Sat, 26 September 2020, 06:40:00
Post by: mgsickler on Sat, 26 September 2020, 07:02:19
I see dixie made a move about 9009 spacebars, but what about olivia++, cafe spacebars ? :(
We will follow up with GMK about this, as we have not been told anything about that yet. We also do not know anything about Cafe.
Post by: Domantas on Sat, 26 September 2020, 09:20:16
I see dixie made a move about 9009 spacebars, but what about olivia++, cafe spacebars ? :(
We will follow up with GMK about this, as we have not been told anything about that yet. We also do not know anything about Cafe.
Oh, okay. Thanks for info
Post by: cicatriz on Sat, 26 September 2020, 11:04:18
Apparently zfrontier will have some extras of Olivia++ for sale at 9am PDT tomorrow for those still looking for a set.
How do people even buy that quickly? By the time I got to check out it was all sold out. Bots op.
Post by: verity on Sat, 26 September 2020, 11:11:57
Apparently zfrontier will have some extras of Olivia++ for sale at 9am PDT tomorrow for those still looking for a set.
How do people even buy that quickly? By the time I got to check out it was all sold out. Bots op.
I had no trouble picking up a Light Base. Just used shop pay and was on the site when the extras dropped.
Post by: cicatriz on Sat, 26 September 2020, 11:28:37
Apparently zfrontier will have some extras of Olivia++ for sale at 9am PDT tomorrow for those still looking for a set.
How do people even buy that quickly? By the time I got to check out it was all sold out. Bots op.
I had no trouble picking up a Light Base. Just used shop pay and was on the site when the extras dropped.
Bah by the time I clicked on the paypal login it was gone. Is there a list of the other drops they'll do in the next 30 minutes?
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Post by: hammerbrotha on Wed, 30 September 2020, 23:23:17
I mean, if the demand is really high then they can also do an R2 some time in the future
This was R2. :)
There's probably gonna be an R3 by the end of the year.
Considering that R1 was first in GB March 2018, and R2 ++ was in GB December 2019, i wouldn't hold my breath for R3 anytime within the next 12 months.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 01 October 2020, 09:33:53
I'd bet we'll see KAT Olivia before we see another GMK iterationI mean, if the demand is really high then they can also do an R2 some time in the future
This was R2. :)
There's probably gonna be an R3 by the end of the year.
Considering that R1 was first in GB March 2018, and R2 ++ was in GB December 2019, i wouldn't hold my breath for R3 anytime within the next 12 months.
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I'm sure they'll do another round guys. Only question is when.
i think it's too soon, my ++ kit hasn't even started shinning yet. the market is very saturated with like 17 GBs starting every week. there maybe room for SA or KAT olivia and olive kits though. some people don't like cherry profile but would jump on a KAT set
Post by: stevenT on Tue, 13 April 2021, 08:19:33
I am not so sure they can reproduce these precise colors on pbt but if it is possible I want to add MT3 to the listI'm sure they'll do another round guys. Only question is when.
i think it's too soon, my ++ kit hasn't even started shinning yet. the market is very saturated with like 17 GBs starting every week. there maybe room for SA or KAT olivia and olive kits though. some people don't like cherry profile but would jump on a KAT set
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 13 April 2021, 11:36:30
I am not so sure they can reproduce these precise colors on pbt but if it is possible I want to add MT3 to the listI'm sure they'll do another round guys. Only question is when.
i think it's too soon, my ++ kit hasn't even started shinning yet. the market is very saturated with like 17 GBs starting every week. there maybe room for SA or KAT olivia and olive kits though. some people don't like cherry profile but would jump on a KAT set
MT3 Olivia would be a god-tier set for me.
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Post by: Southern Discomfort on Wed, 19 May 2021, 16:52:59
Please, bring back the negative counter until the end of R2 on the website https://www.oliviaplus.plus/. I liked it a lot.
Thanks.
Total Support for this idea.
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