They pay professional negotiators, promise better organization, and a consistent business relationship.
They pay professional negotiators, promise better organization, and a consistent business relationship.
You make that sound like it is a good thing.
Can we have an official statement regarding this issue.
It's been brought up to the community that MD gets a bigger discount after breaking certain MOQs/Tiers. If we face the same challenges, why don't we get the same privileges they do?
MD still has to manually update prices in their system for the different child sets for keycaps.
Not to mention the flop that was that japanese DSA dye sub that came around recently because they were not transparent at all with their sales / final prices.
MD still has to manually update prices in their system for the different child sets for keycaps.
Not to mention the flop that was that japanese DSA dye sub that came around recently because they were not transparent at all with their sales / final prices.
These strike me as relatively minor and fixable problems. Plus, from what I can tell, these problems are systemic and should impact every set sold on MassDrop, yet they haven't resulted in "flop" outcomes for other sets (Carbon, Danger Zone, Troubled Minds, Granite r4, etc.). I'd say that while these problems definitely need to be addressed, they can't be faulted for producing flops. Any set with sufficient demand will just power through such minor glitches.
It may not be the absolute best for the community, but I can certainly see why they do it from a buisness standpoint.
MD still has to manually update prices in their system for the different child sets for keycaps.
Not to mention the flop that was that japanese DSA dye sub that came around recently because they were not transparent at all with their sales / final prices.
These strike me as relatively minor and fixable problems. Plus, from what I can tell, these problems are systemic and should impact every set sold on MassDrop, yet they haven't resulted in "flop" outcomes for other sets (Carbon, Danger Zone, Troubled Minds, Granite r4, etc.). I'd say that while these problems definitely need to be addressed, they can't be faulted for producing flops. Any set with sufficient demand will just power through such minor glitches.
Looking at the sets that flopped vs those that did well, the sets that flopped didn't seem to be priced well on massdrop.
The Japanese DSA set that I'm referencing was about $300 for a handful of sets at the starting price and didn't update the prices once throughout the entire buy.
Such a platform that is used to reach the mass public and that generates profits for the company really should have known better than to put the starting price of a set at $200+ for a TKL.
IIRC the McDonalds keycap set also did poorly on massdrop for the same reason. It was like... $90? for a handful of novelty DSA keys.
With granite where the interest was there before massdrop they can be sure that they'll get bulk orders in regardless.
As if those successes don't often originate from geekhack, and as if we haven't been working with SP for years before the mechanical keyboard boom that we've seen in the past year or two.
And better organization from MD? Lol.
I think maybe it's time for "the community" to sit back and take pride in what it started, but then let go and let it take on whatever shape it is going to take. You gave birth to a hobby which is now maturing into a business. Things are different now.
MD still has to manually update prices in their system for the different child sets for keycaps.
Not to mention the flop that was that japanese DSA dye sub that came around recently because they were not transparent at all with their sales / final prices.
These strike me as relatively minor and fixable problems. Plus, from what I can tell, these problems are systemic and should impact every set sold on MassDrop, yet they haven't resulted in "flop" outcomes for other sets (Carbon, Danger Zone, Troubled Minds, Granite r4, etc.). I'd say that while these problems definitely need to be addressed, they can't be faulted for producing flops. Any set with sufficient demand will just power through such minor glitches.
Looking at the sets that flopped vs those that did well, the sets that flopped didn't seem to be priced well on massdrop.
The Japanese DSA set that I'm referencing was about $300 for a handful of sets at the starting price and didn't update the prices once throughout the entire buy.
Such a platform that is used to reach the mass public and that generates profits for the company really should have known better than to put the starting price of a set at $200+ for a TKL.
IIRC the McDonalds keycap set also did poorly on massdrop for the same reason. It was like... $90? for a handful of novelty DSA keys.
With granite where the interest was there before massdrop they can be sure that they'll get bulk orders in regardless.
Okay, well, now you are bringing up a different issue. Before it was the weakness of a manual system for updating order counts and price drops, and not being "transparent" about pricing (i.e., explaining the "why" behind the prices). Now you are blaming prices that were simply too high.
I agree that being priced too high can kill a drop. That is not an easily fixed problem (from MassDrop's point of view).
However, the two you originally mentioned are easily fixed, and I still maintain that even with flakey manual updates and opaque pricing (you know, like pretty much everything you buy retail), sets with a large base of interest will not fail just because of that.
I think maybe it's time for "the community" to sit back and take pride in what it started, but then let go and let it take on whatever shape it is going to take. You gave birth to a hobby which is now maturing into a business. Things are different now.
Are you suggesting that GH should stop conducting their own group buys and feed designs to MD/PMK?
I think maybe it's time for "the community" to sit back and take pride in what it started, but then let go and let it take on whatever shape it is going to take. You gave birth to a hobby which is now maturing into a business. Things are different now.
Are you suggesting that GH should stop conducting their own group buys and feed designs to MD/PMK?
I think maybe it's time for "the community" to sit back and take pride in what it started, but then let go and let it take on whatever shape it is going to take. You gave birth to a hobby which is now maturing into a business. Things are different now.
Are you suggesting that GH should stop conducting their own group buys and feed designs to MD/PMK?
Not at all.
I am, however, suggesting that GH should realize that it is now competing with a large business entity that does the same thing, and that economies of scale and other normal business forces will put GH-run group buys at a substantial disadvantage. GH needs to adapt to this new reality, and boycotting SP or MassDrop or beating the drums of indignation isn't going to help the cause.
I think maybe it's time for "the community" to sit back and take pride in what it started, but then let go and let it take on whatever shape it is going to take. You gave birth to a hobby which is now maturing into a business. Things are different now.
Are you suggesting that GH should stop conducting their own group buys and feed designs to MD/PMK?
Not at all.
I am, however, suggesting that GH should realize that it is now competing with a large business entity that does the same thing, and that economies of scale and other normal business forces will put GH-run group buys at a substantial disadvantage. GH needs to adapt to this new reality, and boycotting SP or MassDrop or beating the drums of indignation isn't going to help the cause.
The existence of this thread is proof that GH realizes it has competition for running GBs. I agree that boycotting and indignation is not a solution, so that's why LXXXIX started this thread. The OP is not whining or boycotting, it is inquiring with SP about why MD gets larger discounts than community-run buys, despite us facing the same challenges. I've noticed that many have brought up some strong points as to why MD may get bigger discounts, however until we get a statement from SP, we can only speculate as to why.
MD still has to manually update prices in their system for the different child sets for keycaps.
Not to mention the flop that was that japanese DSA dye sub that came around recently because they were not transparent at all with their sales / final prices.
These strike me as relatively minor and fixable problems. Plus, from what I can tell, these problems are systemic and should impact every set sold on MassDrop, yet they haven't resulted in "flop" outcomes for other sets (Carbon, Danger Zone, Troubled Minds, Granite r4, etc.). I'd say that while these problems definitely need to be addressed, they can't be faulted for producing flops. Any set with sufficient demand will just power through such minor glitches.
Looking at the sets that flopped vs those that did well, the sets that flopped didn't seem to be priced well on massdrop.
The Japanese DSA set that I'm referencing was about $300 for a handful of sets at the starting price and didn't update the prices once throughout the entire buy.
Such a platform that is used to reach the mass public and that generates profits for the company really should have known better than to put the starting price of a set at $200+ for a TKL.
IIRC the McDonalds keycap set also did poorly on massdrop for the same reason. It was like... $90? for a handful of novelty DSA keys.
With granite where the interest was there before massdrop they can be sure that they'll get bulk orders in regardless.
MD still has to manually update prices in their system for the different child sets for keycaps.
Not to mention the flop that was that japanese DSA dye sub that came around recently because they were not transparent at all with their sales / final prices.
These strike me as relatively minor and fixable problems. Plus, from what I can tell, these problems are systemic and should impact every set sold on MassDrop, yet they haven't resulted in "flop" outcomes for other sets (Carbon, Danger Zone, Troubled Minds, Granite r4, etc.). I'd say that while these problems definitely need to be addressed, they can't be faulted for producing flops. Any set with sufficient demand will just power through such minor glitches.
Looking at the sets that flopped vs those that did well, the sets that flopped didn't seem to be priced well on massdrop.
The Japanese DSA set that I'm referencing was about $300 for a handful of sets at the starting price and didn't update the prices once throughout the entire buy.
Such a platform that is used to reach the mass public and that generates profits for the company really should have known better than to put the starting price of a set at $200+ for a TKL.
IIRC the McDonalds keycap set also did poorly on massdrop for the same reason. It was like... $90? for a handful of novelty DSA keys.
With granite where the interest was there before massdrop they can be sure that they'll get bulk orders in regardless.
Yeah otaku and elementos had major issues with the setup/quantities of child kits, and horrible initial pricing tiers. The exact same thing happened to Dusk IIRC, and the sticker shock makes people scared to buy in. People need to learn to include stuff like TKL and modifiers to keep the initial sticker shock down, and to use higher MOQ's to be more realistic about the final price.
Can we have an official statement regarding this issue.
It's been brought up to the community that MD gets a bigger discount after breaking certain MOQs/Tiers. If we face the same challenges, why don't we get the same privileges they do?
Can we have an official statement regarding this issue.
It's been brought up to the community that MD gets a bigger discount after breaking certain MOQs/Tiers. If we face the same challenges, why don't we get the same privileges they do?
First let me say that Signature Plastics is very grateful to the mechanical keyboard community for allowing us the opportunity to manufacture your custom keysets. We see it as a tremendous win for both SP and the growing number of keyboard enthusiasts.
As you may know, Massdrop has quickly become one of our largest customers. The response to group buys run through their system is staggering compared to group buys run on other platforms (check out the sales graph in our new Gallery). Their relationship with SP is very much like a distributorship and because of that they have earned preferred ‘wholesale’ pricing. Obviously this will result in a lower profit margin per keyset for SP but it gives MD the ability to add their own profit margin and still offer a product with competitive pricing resulting in a win for the consumer. MD is a great company and a valued customer and we are very pleased with the relationship we have with them.
We also value the relationship we have with the mechanical keyboard community. This dates back to the days when Ripster first schooled us on kerning. A couple years later, and with encouragement from the community, we finally did something about the “shif t” key. The community’s input has been invaluable and we make every effort to listen to what you say and try to make it happen. We also recognize that we would not be where we are today without this great relationship.
From what I understand, I think there may be a disconnect, however, in equating community input on product design with entitled pricing discounts. We don’t deny that SP benefits from the community’s passion for these keysets and that we would not be offering the products we do today without the community’s input. But orders placed by members of the mechanical keyboard community, whether they have an alliance with Geekhack, Deskthority, Reddit or whoever, are still being placed by individuals and not by a single business. Yes, these designers may represent a particular forum or organization but at the end of the day Melissa is still dealing with individuals, some knowledgeable in our products, processes and systems, but many who are not and will require her valuable time over and over again.
We would like to suggest that if a volunteer from the GH community were to form a business entity representing GH, and that person became the go-to person for every set run independent of the MD and PMK systems, then we would be able to quantifiably track sales volumes and review potential pricing discounts for GH. This person would be the sole GH contact person and would work with Melissa on all new keyset designs. Orders would be placed, product run, and a single shipment made to that individual. In a real sense this new company would become an SP distributor similar to MD.
On another note, I also wanted to address the concern over our SA pricing. We did implement some pricing changes with that family for several reasons and we apologize for the confusion and alarm it has caused.
First, we had an error in the costing program regarding part weight. The values in that field represented our DSA keys and not the SA. SA keys are nearly three times the weight of DSA. This error also explained why we continued to run out of material on the 1976 and Juke Box orders when we had purchased what the computer said we would require.
Second, the costing program also had the incorrect number of cavities per shot listed for the special shapes. So the actual quantity of parts per hour produced was really only half of what the computer had calculated.
And third, the costing program was calculating set-up costs based on an all Row 3 order. A basic 104 board run in Row 3 has 9 different 1st and 9 different 2nd shot mold changes. Typically these changes take around two hours each. A sculptured SA 104 board on the other has 32 total mold changes.
We apologize for these oversights in our costing program but in all fairness the sculptured SA tooling had not been run for over 20 years prior to the recent retro interest. If it wasn’t for the community’s insistence on re-commissioning these molds and building the new shapes that complete today’s boards, we would have been happy producing everything in Row 3. Our ears remain open to the wants of the community so continue to keep us informed and we will do our best to provide.
Bob Guenser, Owner
Can we have an official statement regarding this issue.
It's been brought up to the community that MD gets a bigger discount after breaking certain MOQs/Tiers. If we face the same challenges, why don't we get the same privileges they do?
First let me say that Signature Plastics is very grateful to the mechanical keyboard community for allowing us the opportunity to manufacture your custom keysets. We see it as a tremendous win for both SP and the growing number of keyboard enthusiasts.
As you may know, Massdrop has quickly become one of our largest customers. The response to group buys run through their system is staggering compared to group buys run on other platforms (check out the sales graph in our new Gallery). Their relationship with SP is very much like a distributorship and because of that they have earned preferred ‘wholesale’ pricing. Obviously this will result in a lower profit margin per keyset for SP but it gives MD the ability to add their own profit margin and still offer a product with competitive pricing resulting in a win for the consumer. MD is a great company and a valued customer and we are very pleased with the relationship we have with them.
We also value the relationship we have with the mechanical keyboard community. This dates back to the days when Ripster first schooled us on kerning. A couple years later, and with encouragement from the community, we finally did something about the “shif t” key. The community’s input has been invaluable and we make every effort to listen to what you say and try to make it happen. We also recognize that we would not be where we are today without this great relationship.
From what I understand, I think there may be a disconnect, however, in equating community input on product design with entitled pricing discounts. We don’t deny that SP benefits from the community’s passion for these keysets and that we would not be offering the products we do today without the community’s input. But orders placed by members of the mechanical keyboard community, whether they have an alliance with Geekhack, Deskthority, Reddit or whoever, are still being placed by individuals and not by a single business. Yes, these designers may represent a particular forum or organization but at the end of the day Melissa is still dealing with individuals, some knowledgeable in our products, processes and systems, but many who are not and will require her valuable time over and over again.
We would like to suggest that if a volunteer from the GH community were to form a business entity representing GH, and that person became the go-to person for every set run independent of the MD and PMK systems, then we would be able to quantifiably track sales volumes and review potential pricing discounts for GH. This person would be the sole GH contact person and would work with Melissa on all new keyset designs. Orders would be placed, product run, and a single shipment made to that individual. In a real sense this new company would become an SP distributor similar to MD.
On another note, I also wanted to address the concern over our SA pricing. We did implement some pricing changes with that family for several reasons and we apologize for the confusion and alarm it has caused.
First, we had an error in the costing program regarding part weight. The values in that field represented our DSA keys and not the SA. SA keys are nearly three times the weight of DSA. This error also explained why we continued to run out of material on the 1976 and Juke Box orders when we had purchased what the computer said we would require.
Second, the costing program also had the incorrect number of cavities per shot listed for the special shapes. So the actual quantity of parts per hour produced was really only half of what the computer had calculated.
And third, the costing program was calculating set-up costs based on an all Row 3 order. A basic 104 board run in Row 3 has 9 different 1st and 9 different 2nd shot mold changes. Typically these changes take around two hours each. A sculptured SA 104 board on the other has 32 total mold changes.
We apologize for these oversights in our costing program but in all fairness the sculptured SA tooling had not been run for over 20 years prior to the recent retro interest. If it wasn’t for the community’s insistence on re-commissioning these molds and building the new shapes that complete today’s boards, we would have been happy producing everything in Row 3. Our ears remain open to the wants of the community so continue to keep us informed and we will do our best to provide.
Bob Guenser, Owner
I think this is a fantastic answer. No BS, makes perfect sense from a business standpoint, and shows you do care about the smaller communities still.
Nobody here really cares about your statement, since you're only a marginal player in a community that prefers by far the quality of gmk and gateron. SA profile finds a place here only because it's a rare profile made only by sp.
DCS offers half the quality of taihao, but it costs double than that.
DSA is too small to be actually used for serious typing. Plus it can damage the switches when removing the keycaps.
Plus your keycaps don't have scoops. How can you even type on those ugly and annoying bars.
Go home. You're drunk.
Giorgio.
Engineer.
Owner.
First let me say that Signature Plastics is very grateful to the mechanical keyboard community for allowing us the opportunity to manufacture your custom keysets. We see it as a tremendous win for both SP and the growing number of keyboard enthusiasts.
As you may know, Massdrop has quickly become one of our largest customers. The response to group buys run through their system is staggering compared to group buys run on other platforms (check out the sales graph in our new Gallery). Their relationship with SP is very much like a distributorship and because of that they have earned preferred ‘wholesale’ pricing. Obviously this will result in a lower profit margin per keyset for SP but it gives MD the ability to add their own profit margin and still offer a product with competitive pricing resulting in a win for the consumer. MD is a great company and a valued customer and we are very pleased with the relationship we have with them.
We also value the relationship we have with the mechanical keyboard community. This dates back to the days when Ripster first schooled us on kerning. A couple years later, and with encouragement from the community, we finally did something about the “shif t” key. The community’s input has been invaluable and we make every effort to listen to what you say and try to make it happen. We also recognize that we would not be where we are today without this great relationship.
From what I understand, I think there may be a disconnect, however, in equating community input on product design with entitled pricing discounts. We don’t deny that SP benefits from the community’s passion for these keysets and that we would not be offering the products we do today without the community’s input. But orders placed by members of the mechanical keyboard community, whether they have an alliance with Geekhack, Deskthority, Reddit or whoever, are still being placed by individuals and not by a single business. Yes, these designers may represent a particular forum or organization but at the end of the day Melissa is still dealing with individuals, some knowledgeable in our products, processes and systems, but many who are not and will require her valuable time over and over again.
We would like to suggest that if a volunteer from the GH community were to form a business entity representing GH, and that person became the go-to person for every set run independent of the MD and PMK systems, then we would be able to quantifiably track sales volumes and review potential pricing discounts for GH. This person would be the sole GH contact person and would work with Melissa on all new keyset designs. Orders would be placed, product run, and a single shipment made to that individual. In a real sense this new company would become an SP distributor similar to MD.
On another note, I also wanted to address the concern over our SA pricing. We did implement some pricing changes with that family for several reasons and we apologize for the confusion and alarm it has caused.
First, we had an error in the costing program regarding part weight. The values in that field represented our DSA keys and not the SA. SA keys are nearly three times the weight of DSA. This error also explained why we continued to run out of material on the 1976 and Juke Box orders when we had purchased what the computer said we would require.
Second, the costing program also had the incorrect number of cavities per shot listed for the special shapes. So the actual quantity of parts per hour produced was really only half of what the computer had calculated.
And third, the costing program was calculating set-up costs based on an all Row 3 order. A basic 104 board run in Row 3 has 9 different 1st and 9 different 2nd shot mold changes. Typically these changes take around two hours each. A sculptured SA 104 board on the other has 32 total mold changes.
We apologize for these oversights in our costing program but in all fairness the sculptured SA tooling had not been run for over 20 years prior to the recent retro interest. If it wasn’t for the community’s insistence on re-commissioning these molds and building the new shapes that complete today’s boards, we would have been happy producing everything in Row 3. Our ears remain open to the wants of the community so continue to keep us informed and we will do our best to provide.
Bob Guenser, Owner
Nobody here really cares about your statement, since you're only a marginal player in a community that prefers by far the quality of gmk and gateron. SA profile finds a place here only because it's a rare profile made only by sp.
DCS offers half the quality of taihao, but it costs double than that.
DSA is too small to be actually used for serious typing. Plus it can damage the switches when removing the keycaps.
Plus your keycaps don't have scoops. How can you even type on those ugly and annoying bars.
Go home. You're drunk.
Giorgio.
Engineer.
Owner.
Nobody here really cares about your statement, since you're only a marginal player in a community that prefers by far the quality of gmk and gateron. SA profile finds a place here only because it's a rare profile made only by sp.
DCS offers half the quality of taihao, but it costs double than that.
DSA is too small to be actually used for serious typing. Plus it can damage the switches when removing the keycaps.
Plus your keycaps don't have scoops. How can you even type on those ugly and annoying bars.
Go home. You're drunk.
Giorgio.
Engineer.
Owner.
Nobody here really cares about your statement, since you're only a marginal player in a community that prefers by far the quality of gmk and gateron. SA profile finds a place here only because it's a rare profile made only by sp.
DCS offers half the quality of taihao, but it costs double than that.
DSA is too small to be actually used for serious typing. Plus it can damage the switches when removing the keycaps.
Plus your keycaps don't have scoops. How can you even type on those ugly and annoying bars.
Go home. You're drunk.
Giorgio.
Engineer.
Owner.
Nobody here really cares about your statement, since you're only a marginal player in a community that prefers by far the quality of gmk and gateron. SA profile finds a place here only because it's a rare profile made only by sp.
DCS offers half the quality of taihao, but it costs double than that.
DSA is too small to be actually used for serious typing. Plus it can damage the switches when removing the keycaps.
Plus your keycaps don't have scoops. How can you even type on those ugly and annoying bars.
Go home. You're drunk.
Giorgio.
Engineer.
Owner.
please tell me that you forgot /s
First let me say that Signature Plastics is very grateful to the mechanical keyboard community for allowing us the opportunity to manufacture your custom keysets. We see it as a tremendous win for both SP and the growing number of keyboard enthusiasts.
As you may know, Massdrop has quickly become one of our largest customers. The response to group buys run through their system is staggering compared to group buys run on other platforms (check out the sales graph in our new Gallery). Their relationship with SP is very much like a distributorship and because of that they have earned preferred ‘wholesale’ pricing. Obviously this will result in a lower profit margin per keyset for SP but it gives MD the ability to add their own profit margin and still offer a product with competitive pricing resulting in a win for the consumer. MD is a great company and a valued customer and we are very pleased with the relationship we have with them.
We also value the relationship we have with the mechanical keyboard community. This dates back to the days when Ripster first schooled us on kerning. A couple years later, and with encouragement from the community, we finally did something about the “shif t” key. The community’s input has been invaluable and we make every effort to listen to what you say and try to make it happen. We also recognize that we would not be where we are today without this great relationship.
From what I understand, I think there may be a disconnect, however, in equating community input on product design with entitled pricing discounts. We don’t deny that SP benefits from the community’s passion for these keysets and that we would not be offering the products we do today without the community’s input. But orders placed by members of the mechanical keyboard community, whether they have an alliance with Geekhack, Deskthority, Reddit or whoever, are still being placed by individuals and not by a single business. Yes, these designers may represent a particular forum or organization but at the end of the day Melissa is still dealing with individuals, some knowledgeable in our products, processes and systems, but many who are not and will require her valuable time over and over again.
We would like to suggest that if a volunteer from the GH community were to form a business entity representing GH, and that person became the go-to person for every set run independent of the MD and PMK systems, then we would be able to quantifiably track sales volumes and review potential pricing discounts for GH. This person would be the sole GH contact person and would work with Melissa on all new keyset designs. Orders would be placed, product run, and a single shipment made to that individual. In a real sense this new company would become an SP distributor similar to MD.
On another note, I also wanted to address the concern over our SA pricing. We did implement some pricing changes with that family for several reasons and we apologize for the confusion and alarm it has caused.
First, we had an error in the costing program regarding part weight. The values in that field represented our DSA keys and not the SA. SA keys are nearly three times the weight of DSA. This error also explained why we continued to run out of material on the 1976 and Juke Box orders when we had purchased what the computer said we would require.
Second, the costing program also had the incorrect number of cavities per shot listed for the special shapes. So the actual quantity of parts per hour produced was really only half of what the computer had calculated.
And third, the costing program was calculating set-up costs based on an all Row 3 order. A basic 104 board run in Row 3 has 9 different 1st and 9 different 2nd shot mold changes. Typically these changes take around two hours each. A sculptured SA 104 board on the other has 32 total mold changes.
We apologize for these oversights in our costing program but in all fairness the sculptured SA tooling had not been run for over 20 years prior to the recent retro interest. If it wasn’t for the community’s insistence on re-commissioning these molds and building the new shapes that complete today’s boards, we would have been happy producing everything in Row 3. Our ears remain open to the wants of the community so continue to keep us informed and we will do our best to provide.
Bob Guenser, Owner
Thank you for this remarkable transparency. This is disappointing news for the community in financial terms, but understandable.Nobody here really cares about your statement, since you're only a marginal player in a community that prefers by far the quality of gmk and gateron. SA profile finds a place here only because it's a rare profile made only by sp.
DCS offers half the quality of taihao, but it costs double than that.
DSA is too small to be actually used for serious typing. Plus it can damage the switches when removing the keycaps.
Plus your keycaps don't have scoops. How can you even type on those ugly and annoying bars.
Go home. You're drunk.
Giorgio.
Engineer.
Owner.
Please leave.
Yeah, I'm with Giorgio on this one(except I prefer bars over scoops).
MD is the worst thing that has happened to the mechanical keyboard community - pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
They stole(see the Aluminium HHKB case for example), they lied(Granite was supposed to be a one-time thing, remember?), they censored(Otaku Kiiboodo), they had misadvertised products(numpad fiasco), and bad deliveries(Triumph Scratcher), and they most likely sell your data. All for dem dallas. And they will crave for dominance over community-run buys. They already have the said dominance with SP, as seen here.
This is why I'm glad that bigger and bigger things are happening completely outside of it. Alps buys, K-Type, Keyboard.io, UHK(even though I personally think it is a hunk of junk) and many others. I run a strict "MD = no $" policy, and I really recommend others doing the same for the sake of the community.
Yeah, I'm with Giorgio on this one(except I prefer bars over scoops).
MD is the worst thing that has happened to the mechanical keyboard community - pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
They stole(see the Aluminium HHKB case for example), they lied(Granite was supposed to be a one-time thing, remember?), they censored(Otaku Kiiboodo), they had misadvertised products(numpad fiasco), and bad deliveries(Triumph Scratcher), and they most likely sell your data. All for dem dallas. And they will crave for dominance over community-run buys. They already have the said dominance with SP, as seen here.
This is why I'm glad that bigger and bigger things are happening completely outside of it. Alps buys, K-Type, Keyboard.io, UHK(even though I personally think it is a hunk of junk) and many others. I run a strict "MD = no $" policy, and I really recommend others doing the same for the sake of the community.
Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
SP= Shi*P
Personally, SP's profiles rank pretty low on my list. I've purchased a couple keysets so far only because there was something unique about the set. But it's rare to have a business owner come out and address customer concerns directly, and with respect and professionalism no less. So I have mad respect for Bob. Yeah, SP is a business, but it seems pretty clear it's a business run by good people who care about the quality of the service and products they provide to their customers. I plan to purchase from them again just to support their business, but also to spite all the haters.
Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
I wrote a very long post, only to erase it and replace with a scatological post. I don't want to say anything that could make sp change its mind. I just want sp to disappear. Their production is such low quality that I don't really understand what we're talking about. They're a fraud.
Giorgio
Engineer
Owner
Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
I wrote a very long post, only to erase it and replace with a scatological post. I don't want to say anything that could make sp change its mind. I just want sp to disappear. Their production is such low quality that I don't really understand what we're talking about. They're a fraud.
Giorgio
Engineer
Owner
So who makes a better quality product for tall and short profile spherical key caps with MX mount?
Give me one example of how they have a bad product and are a fraud. When was the last time you heard of a company operating as a fraud for close to 16 years.Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
I wrote a very long post, only to erase it and replace with a scatological post. I don't want to say anything that could make sp change its mind. I just want sp to disappear. Their production is such low quality that I don't really understand what we're talking about. They're a fraud.
Giorgio
Engineer
Owner
So who makes a better quality product for tall and short profile spherical key caps with MX mount?
So who makes a better product than a product that no one else makes? You're different. You're unique. Does this make you automatically better than the others?
Giorgio
OwnedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TUsloyP.jpg)
Give me one example of how they have a bad product and are a fraud. When was the last time you heard of a company operating as a fraud for close to 16 years.Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
I wrote a very long post, only to erase it and replace with a scatological post. I don't want to say anything that could make sp change its mind. I just want sp to disappear. Their production is such low quality that I don't really understand what we're talking about. They're a fraud.
Giorgio
Engineer
Owner
So who makes a better quality product for tall and short profile spherical key caps with MX mount?
So who makes a better product than a product that no one else makes? You're different. You're unique. Does this make you automatically better than the others?
Giorgio
OwnedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TUsloyP.jpg)
Their product is good quality, and at reasonable prices consideration seeing everything that goes into it.
Plain and simple, chances are you will not be able to get molds created for any sculpted profile for less than the cost savings of the commission from PMK ver the course is of several years.
Give me one example of how they have a bad product and are a fraud. When was the last time you heard of a company operating as a fraud for close to 16 years.Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
I wrote a very long post, only to erase it and replace with a scatological post. I don't want to say anything that could make sp change its mind. I just want sp to disappear. Their production is such low quality that I don't really understand what we're talking about. They're a fraud.
Giorgio
Engineer
Owner
So who makes a better quality product for tall and short profile spherical key caps with MX mount?
So who makes a better product than a product that no one else makes? You're different. You're unique. Does this make you automatically better than the others?
Giorgio
OwnedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TUsloyP.jpg)
Their product is good quality, and at reasonable prices consideration seeing everything that goes into it.
Plain and simple, chances are you will not be able to get molds created for any sculpted profile for less than the cost savings of the commission from PMK ver the course is of several years.
I enjoy too much their suicidal tendencies, I'm not gonna give you any example, sorry :-)
Either way, your comments have no credibility and are not wanted here as they are projecting a bad reputation which we do not want to get started. If you feel the need to voice your opinions on SP's quality and QC, feel free to, but please start your own thread.
Either way, your comments have no credibility and are not wanted here as they are projecting a bad reputation which we do not want to get started. If you feel the need to voice your opinions on SP's quality and QC, feel free to, but please start your own thread.
Agreed. Giorgio, if you're going to express negative opinions in this thread, do it in a respectful way.
Give me one example of how they have a bad product and are a fraud. When was the last time you heard of a company operating as a fraud for close to 16 years.Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.
I wrote a very long post, only to erase it and replace with a scatological post. I don't want to say anything that could make sp change its mind. I just want sp to disappear. Their production is such low quality that I don't really understand what we're talking about. They're a fraud.
Giorgio
Engineer
Owner
So who makes a better quality product for tall and short profile spherical key caps with MX mount?
So who makes a better product than a product that no one else makes? You're different. You're unique. Does this make you automatically better than the others?
Giorgio
OwnedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TUsloyP.jpg)
Their product is good quality, and at reasonable prices consideration seeing everything that goes into it.
Plain and simple, chances are you will not be able to get molds created for any sculpted profile for less than the cost savings of the commission from PMK ver the course is of several years.
I enjoy too much their suicidal tendencies, I'm not gonna give you any example, sorry :-)
I think you might have SP and Unicomp mixed up. I have yet to see any suicidal tendencies from SP. They seem more than willing to work with us regarding issues with tooling, custom colors, custom legends, etc, all while providing a quality product. Unicomp on the other hand all but refuses to work with customers regarding semi custom orders and that seems to change from a day to day basis.
Either way, your comments have no credibility and are not wanted here as they are projecting a bad reputation which we do not want to get started. If you feel the need to voice your opinions on SP's quality and QC, feel free to, but please start your own thread.
I love spherical keycaps. I love the Round 5/6 colorways. I don't know any other way to get what I want except through group buys that deal with Signature Plastics. If there is an alternate source for what I want, I would dearly love to learn about it.
Thread owner.
Business owner.
You've found each other.
Giorgio.
Entitled to my opinion owner.
Thread owner.
Business owner.
You've found each other.
Giorgio.
Entitled to my opinion owner.
Someone is salty.
You give no actual benefit to the discussion besides immature bashing.
Go cry on one of your own threads.
Oh wait, he won't.. Because he is fishing for attention.
Kids...
None the less, SP does more then just making custom caps for this community and gave a respectable response.
If you like cherry and gateron then buy their products and gtfo this thread.
Thread owner.
Business owner.
You've found each other.
Giorgio.
Entitled to my opinion owner.
Someone is salty.
You give no actual benefit to the discussion besides immature bashing.
Go cry on one of your own threads.
Oh wait, he won't.. Because he is fishing for attention.
Kids...
None the less, SP does more then just making custom caps for this community and gave a respectable response.
If you like cherry and gateron then buy their products and gtfo this thread.
I'm fishing for attention, when I ignore requests to discuss SP problems, and when I say that I'm happy to be a spectator of their suicide? You are not supposed to inhale the SP plastics fumes, you know.
In case you haven't notice, there is nothing to discuss, you're not part of any process, you're just a spectator. And this is the subject of the thread.
Owner.
Thread owner.
Business owner.
You've found each other.
Giorgio.
Entitled to my opinion owner.
Someone is salty.
You give no actual benefit to the discussion besides immature bashing.
Go cry on one of your own threads.
Oh wait, he won't.. Because he is fishing for attention.
Kids...
None the less, SP does more then just making custom caps for this community and gave a respectable response.
If you like cherry and gateron then buy their products and gtfo this thread.
I'm fishing for attention, when I ignore requests to discuss SP problems, and when I say that I'm happy to be a spectator of their suicide? You are not supposed to inhale the SP plastics fumes, you know.
In case you haven't notice, there is nothing to discuss, you're not part of any process, you're just a spectator. And this is the subject of the thread.
Owner.
Thread owner.
Business owner.
You've found each other.
Giorgio.
Entitled to my opinion owner.
Someone is salty.
You give no actual benefit to the discussion besides immature bashing.
Go cry on one of your own threads.
Oh wait, he won't.. Because he is fishing for attention.
Kids...
None the less, SP does more then just making custom caps for this community and gave a respectable response.
If you like cherry and gateron then buy their products and gtfo this thread.
I'm fishing for attention, when I ignore requests to discuss SP problems, and when I say that I'm happy to be a spectator of their suicide? You are not supposed to inhale the SP plastics fumes, you know.
In case you haven't notice, there is nothing to discuss, you're not part of any process, you're just a spectator. And this is the subject of the thread.
Owner.
So many fallacies to your comments.
Not worth my time debating with ignorance.
You do you boo.
Ignored? You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Ignored? You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
A message from Andrew Carnegie
http://bfy.tw/40I7 (http://bfy.tw/40I7)
Ignored? You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
A message from Andrew Carnegie
http://bfy.tw/40I7 (http://bfy.tw/40I7)
"Disregard intentionally". Yepp, definitelly what SP are doing... ._.
Ignored? You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
A message from Andrew Carnegie
http://bfy.tw/40I7 (http://bfy.tw/40I7)
"Disregard intentionally". Yepp, definitelly what SP are doing... ._.
OMG
Intentionally disregard everything which is not massdrop.
Easy payments and short sorting and shipping times, customer service representatives to handle your claims, and wide availability of product all while being able to bring it to a larger customer base than the community has ever done? MassDrop is probably the best thing to happen to the community. It's brought in more buyers. It's simplified buying. It's simplified sorting and shipping of product.
For your list of problems with MassDrop, you can easily conjure up a larger list from community runs. Just look at what some of those group buys have done. We're talking about 2+ years where people have yet to receive product. If you're going to cherry pick MassDrop's problems, you should at least cherry pick the communities problems as well and do a fair comparison.
You seem to have missed the entire point, so let me show it, and underline a word for you to make it more obvious:pursuit of cash over pursuit of things related to this hobby.
On the other hand though,SP= Shi*P
Is a bit too far and actually hurts a serious statement I'm trying to make here, so I'd appreciate if you discussed properly or not at all.