4o9o

[tp4tissue]

ok, so iffffff 4o9o is $1600,  we'd expect 3090ti to be ~$700 ish?

which would put 6900xt at $550-600 ish?


This  black friday ?

[Darthbaggins]

Disappointed in the 4080 12GB only having a 192Bit bus (I know it's due to scaling, but damn).  Hoping to see what RDNA3 is packing, I have considered a 6900XT as well, but the Power Color Liquid Devil options are still up there in price - guess I will be holding out a bit longer.

[granola bar enthusiast]

by the time im able to get ahold of a 3060 ti everyone is talking bout 4090's already, dang

[chyros]

I'm still on a 1060 GTX XD .

[noisyturtle]

Yeah, those announced prices are berserk. Price of an entire new rig right there.

Hoping to pick up a new 2080s/ti for around $500 someday. Probably never.

[ArchDill]

I am just ready for a 1080ti to get below $200 so I can upgrade my 970 haha

I am afraid to get Cyberpunk 2077 because 970 is min req

[tp4tissue]

they had 1080ti used for $190 just yesterday on evga.

[noisyturtle]

they had 1080ti used for $190 just yesterday on evga.

ooOOoo I just saw those b-stocks. I think I'll wait for a b-stock 1080 Ti FTW3. Way better cooling with that extra fan, and pretty close to what the 2080 can do anyway for 1/4rd the price

[tp4tissue]

i don't think 10 series is the way to go , 6900 xt is going to be the best deal outside of raytracing.

[noisyturtle]

i don't think 10 series is the way to go , 6900 xt is going to be the best deal outside of raytracing.

2080 Ti is the best my system can handle. Otherwise I need to do a 100% new build, and I am too poor 

[tp4tissue]

6900xt seen dipping to 680 with rebate

[Darthbaggins]

Still rocking a 1080Ti, and it has been a great GPU - I upgraded at the time from a 970 Strix and even back when I did it, it was a huge jump in performance.  Personally, I'm just eyeing 3080Ti's now as my next jump since the 4080 16GB is not an option due to price.

[tp4tissue]

2080 Ti is the best my system can handle. Otherwise I need to do a 100% new build, and I am too poor 

Most games are GPU bound, so tp4 plans to just throw the 6900xt into a 4790k build, there's no reason to go up on cpu, it wouldn't do anything meaningful in most games.

[CaesarAZealad]

I'm still on a 1060 GTX XD .

GTX 970 for me. It plays VR games, and can run fallout new vegas, and until it stops doing that I'm staying with it.

[noisyturtle]

Weeeeell I just ordered me up a 2070S ftw3 Ultra  for just $200 )

That Ultra is on-par w/ the 1080ti & base 2080 numbers, and is a far cry from my current 970s

Nice to see GPUs becoming affordable once again. Not too many months ago these were going for 4-5x the price used 

[Leslieann]

Disappointed in the 4080 12GB only having a 192Bit bus (I know it's due to scaling, but damn).  Hoping to see what RDNA3 is packing, I have considered a 6900XT as well, but the Power Color Liquid Devil options are still up there in price - guess I will be holding out a bit longer.

It's very likely you will never see one of those in stores.
Word is that it's going to be an OEM model so companies like Dell can say it has a 4080 when really it's just a slightly better 4070 with a 4080 sticker.

I am afraid to get Cyberpunk 2077 because 970 is min req

If you're on 1080/60 you'll probably be fine.
I play it on a 1070@1440/60 on ultra(?) with no problems, well, okay, lots of problems, just not GPU related.

[tp4tissue]

If you're on 1080/60 you'll probably be fine.
I play it on a 1070@1440/60 on ultra(?) with no problems, well, okay, lots of problems, just not GPU related.

buh what if archdill want dat RTX ..

[noisyturtle]

If you're on 1080/60 you'll probably be fine.
I play it on a 1070@1440/60 on ultra(?) with no problems, well, okay, lots of problems, just not GPU related.

buh what if archdill want dat RTX ..

that's what i'm sayin, 2070's are the same price as the 1080's

[phinix]

I'm hoping for a small itx format 4060Ti. To have gpu power around >=3070, so I could upgrade my 3070 to small itx case.
My dream is to have powefull PC, 4K 60fps in small itx case, like jonsbo u1 plus.

[Leslieann]

Considering the 40 series runs as hot as it does, I wouldn't count on a full spec 4060 mini, much less a TI model.
A cut down model maybe.


There's going to be TONS of heat and power problems for 40 series in general, way more than 30 series had.
Melted cables, power supplies, overheating...

Personally, I won't be doing 40 series, now or later and if Nvida continues down this path, I won't be doing 50 series either. Not just because those cards won't fit my system, but because the power requirements are reaching entirely new levels of stupidity, which are already at the point of being stupid.  I'll go AMD and if that means and end to pc gaming for me, so be it. I'm not turning my PC into a space heater and fire hazard.


P.S. that Jonsbo, with a 3080 or 4060 TI, not a chance without custom water cooling and an external radiator. I pretty much guarantee that system struggles with that 2060 and (probably) low watt cpu, That's why it's full of Noctua fans. There are some high flow ITX boxes that handle 30 series but even those will struggle with 40s. Keep in mind, the 4080 will be similar in size to a 3090, a 4060 will be close to a 3070 in size, possibly 3080. They're massive and many cases will simply not fit all of these. I think I saw that the thinnest 4080 is 3 1/4 slot thick, the smallest one...



Jayz2cents video on the power problem.

Gamers Nexus 40 series launch roundup, detailing sizes and such

[tp4tissue]

just leave the box open , tp4 hasn't had a side panel buckled for 10 years.

when you close a pc case, it's actually louder for 2 reasons, 1, you need alot more rpm, 2, because there's a pressure differential the whole case vibrates like a speaker.

leave it open, run 500rpm on all fans, super silent and perfectly kewl.

[Leslieann]

when you close a pc case, it's actually louder for 2 reasons, 1, you need alot more rpm, 2, because there's a pressure differential the whole case vibrates like a speaker.

Buy. Better. Fans.
Also balance your airflow better.

Side panels should dampen sound, not make it louder.

leave it open, run 500rpm on all fans, super silent and perfectly kewl.

Depending on the case you may actually run hotter without a side panel.

There's a mini-ITX case that in some configurations the glass side panel ran cooler than the vented panel because it created a wind tunnel through the case and forced fresh air through the CPU cooler. That lack of air through the case can also create more hot spots around VRMs or drives.

[phinix]

I hope in 10-15 years we will have mini PCs size of those Intel NUC, with powerful CPUs and GPU that can handle 4K at around 120fps.
Or it won't happen till next 30 years and I may be already dead....


I miss my SN25P...

[noisyturtle]

I hope in 10-15 years we will have mini PCs size of those Intel NUC, with powerful CPUs and GPU that can handle 4K at around 120fps.
Or it won't happen till next 30 years and I may be already dead....


I miss my SN25P...

Considering current mobile devices are on-par with desktop PCs from about 7-9 years ago, I'd reckon it will be less than a decade.

[phinix]

I hope in 10-15 years we will have mini PCs size of those Intel NUC, with powerful CPUs and GPU that can handle 4K at around 120fps.
Or it won't happen till next 30 years and I may be already dead....


I miss my SN25P...

Considering current mobile devices are on-par with desktop PCs from about 7-9 years ago, I'd reckon it will be less than a decade.

That would be nice.
Image such a small PCs, like 12x12cm boxes, mounted behind monitors.
Maybe in 20 years, all monitors would be USB powered (lets say.. 32-40" OLED monitors, so cheap that everyone would have one), that would be nice. Less huge cables.

[tp4tissue]

Amd has a chance to Rekt Nvidia,  buhhh... it's only possible if their 6xxx inventory isn't also crazy high. which it probably is.

[Darthbaggins]

So looks like Green team is pulling back on the naming scheme on the 12GB 4080 variant, so looks like I was not the only one calling BS on this - more than likely it will be a 4070(Ti) variant.

[tp4tissue]

playable raytracing is a big deal. uses quite alot of electricity, but mm... at least it works.

[phinix]

When all series comes out, I may sell my 3070 and get something like 4060Ti in ITX version, if it ever happens, or just 4070 FE.
AS LONG as prices will be same as 30xx series, which looks like won't...

[tp4tissue]

some rumors say, bigggg shake up price coming from AMD, but they're ONLY RUMORS.

[Leslieann]

some rumors say, bigggg shake up price coming from AMD, but they're ONLY RUMORS.

There will be because AMD can't compete with the 4090 but Nvidia also left a big gaping hole by cranking up prices.

AMD may not compete with the 4090 but that's not really where the bread and butter of GPUs is anyhow (despite how Youtubers act), the real money is 50, 60 and 70 series and if AMD can come close on performance all they have to do is use last gen MSRP and they will shred Nvidia.


The only reason most people should give a rat's a** about the 4090 is because it offers a glimpse of the rest of the product stack, nothing more.  I will never buy a current model flagship GPU and neither should you unless you actually require it. In almost all cases you're better off with two mid to upper tier cards than a single flagship over the same period because by the time you come close to needing 4090 power the 6060 will beat it for half price. The same applies to CPUs.

It's pretty crappy when you spent all that money only to watch the kid down the street spend 1/3rd as much and their system rips yours apart. Bleeding edge cuts hard.

[plag]

some rumors say, bigggg shake up price coming from AMD, but they're ONLY RUMORS.

i usually dont follow news related to this sort of thing, but im excited for new offerings from amd. i might just have to upgrade from my rx480. my electrical engineer friend who works at amd knows ive been looking for a new graphics card. and is telling me to watch the news closely. i cant wait 

[phinix]

https://www.techpowerup.com/300338/nvidia-tells-aics-to-collect-rtx-4090-cards-with-burnt-power-connectors-send-them-to-hq

[tp4tissue]

lol. good thing it's not that hard a problem to solve, thicker gauge will do the trick.  thicker traces on the pcb plain too probably.

[granola bar enthusiast]

just use a 30 series card, parts are getting more expensive and powerful, and games are staying the same requirements-wise.

[tp4tissue]

some rumors say, bigggg shake up price coming from AMD, but they're ONLY RUMORS.

i usually dont follow news related to this sort of thing, but im excited for new offerings from amd. i might just have to upgrade from my rx480. my electrical engineer friend who works at amd knows ive been looking for a new graphics card. and is telling me to watch the news closely. i cant wait 

Tp4 confirmation bias is now over 9000.

[phinix]

Are those AMD cards any good?
phinix had only nvidia in his life, had one Radeon 20 years ago and it was crap.

[tp4tissue]

amd cards has 10bit table for color correction, so that's nice.

nvidia you have to enable the 8bit dithering through a registry hack and it's weird and turns itself off.

don't know if the latest gen cards gonna be good, it's probably at least decent though, I'd expect something around 2x 6900xt.

[phinix]

Now 4080 is out... $1200... WTF...
As far as I remember, 3080 when out was around $699?
So why next gen same level card is so much more expensive?

[tp4tissue]

Now 4080 is out... $1200... WTF...
As far as I remember, 3080 when out was around $699?
So why next gen same level card is so much more expensive?

6900xt

[Leslieann]

Now 4080 is out... $1200... WTF...
As far as I remember, 3080 when out was around $699?
So why next gen same level card is so much more expensive?

Two reasons...
The market showed you're willing to pay it and Nvidia screwed up and changed foundries during Covid and prices went up. Not nearly this much, but everyone else is jacking prices, why not them too.

AMD lookin' mighty fine.

[phinix]

Now 4080 is out... $1200... WTF...
As far as I remember, 3080 when out was around $699?
So why next gen same level card is so much more expensive?

Two reasons...
The market showed you're willing to pay it and Nvidia screwed up and changed foundries during Covid and prices went up. Not nearly this much, but everyone else is jacking prices, why not them too.

AMD lookin' mighty fine.

Would you consider AMD card nowadays?
I don't know anything about those, I only had one Radeon card back in 90s and it was crap.

7900XT looks great on paper, could be great option for 4K gaming.

Do they have same raytracing quality as Nvidia? plus DLSS equivalent?

[Leslieann]

Would you consider AMD card nowadays?
I don't know anything about those, I only had one Radeon card back in 90s and it was crap.

7900XT looks great on paper, could be great option for 4K gaming.

Do they have same raytracing quality as Nvidia? plus DLSS equivalent?

Most people have no major issues, and even Nvidia has some issues, and that's ignoring the connector issue.

Many times people like to act like Nvidia and Intel have fewer issues, they really don't, they all have issues, you've just learned to work around them. Just like Windows vs. Mac vs Linux, each has pros and cons.

This will probably tell you more than I could here.

[phinix]

So now when reviews are out, 7900XT looks pretty good. Still too expensive for me, but really good. First card that could pull me to the other side.
Just waiting to see how much will 4060Ti or 4070 cost.
<=$500 would be nice.

[Darthbaggins]

Would you consider AMD card nowadays?
I don't know anything about those, I only had one Radeon card back in 90s and it was crap.

7900XT looks great on paper, could be great option for 4K gaming.

Do they have same raytracing quality as Nvidia? plus DLSS equivalent?

Most people have no major issues, and even Nvidia has some issues, and that's ignoring the connector issue.

Many times people like to act like Nvidia and Intel have fewer issues, they really don't, they all have issues, you've just learned to work around them. Just like Windows vs. Mac vs Linux, each has pros and cons.

This will probably tell you more than I could here.

Funny thing from my experience, I've had more issues with Nvidia drivers and cards than I have had with AMD's Drivers and cards.  The 7900's appear to be hitting where AMD said they would within the 4080 spectrum, but I do want to see Driver progression a bit more.  Also bonus for better Linux support for Red - could care less on MacOS.

[PadawanGeek]

For me, an AMD guy, I'm ending my computer gaming rigs with 2 all AMD builds, main rig's a 5900X while 2nd rig's a 3900X + X570S + Nitro+ RX 6900 XT setup. Just got the new card for my main rig...pics taken at shop wher my friend had collected the card for me. Pic below is one of the staff of the shop holding up the card so my friend could take a pic of the 3x 8pin connectors that distinguishes it from the RX 7900 XT which has 2x 8pin.



Edit - I don't think I'd be upgrading my rigs after this, I mean I'm pushing 60 and I guess it's time to stop. I've also upgraded both rigs to run 2x 16GB RAM each, so I guess I'm more or less done.

[tp4tissue]

so jelly