[IC]GMK Dolch (Icon Mod+AddON) PLUS x-CMYW

[kekkon]

Hi guys,

GMK Dolch (by Ivan  )) has always been my favourite keycaps for the last few years since I get my hand on them.

However, the Ivan's version lacking something to make it perfect.(my own opinion) 

1. Lack of 1800 support (My LZ-CP need this )
2. F,J with Homing Bar
3. HHKB Support
4. WIN key with ICON on it.

I also think that a numpad kits might be useful for those who want an additional sets for their custom/oem numpad (TGR Tris, Duck Pad, Filco to name a few) or those who just want a numpad kits. 

I am planning to run this on January if there are enough demand.

The Final version of the mockup will be as below :-
Dolch AddON

Dolch Base

Dolch Color Kits

[smittysteve]

My Dolch set arrived this week and it's gorgeous! The only thing better would be if I could put it on an HHKB or 1800 layout. Yes please!!

[KyleZhuang]

 

[oatmicro]

How about Base set with Icons Modifier like Sky Dolch reborn?

Ivan did it great no doubt about that, would like to see it relunch again. 

[calavera]

I think having a pair of 2.25x (left shift) shift keys would be nice for 660 owners.

[shower_king]

support you 

[hillmu]

yes，1800kit is mustbuy for dolch。GOon please

[diiiP]

Interested

Additional idea:
How about an all black (N9) Numpad Kit?
Since I started to build a RS96 I always thougt that an Numpad in the color of the mods would look nice.


Opinions?

[yicaoyimu]

I will be in for two addon kits.

[romevi]

I think having a pair of 2.25x (left shift) shift keys would be nice for 660 owners.

That's a good idea. Not too many of those.

I think Ivan's is definitely the best Dolch set out there. I'm still hunting one and would gladly want to get one of these compatible kits.

[geniekid]

I will be in for two addon kits.

Me too.

[elton5354]

I will be in for 2 add-on kits if it supports 75%.

[omgar]

Definitely interested in 1800 kit.

[need]

how about having a 6.25u spacebar as an add on?
The demand for those is huge.

[Giorgio]

I'd replace "alt gr" with "alt"

[romevi]

I'd replace "Alt" replacing "Alt Gr" with "Alt Gr."

[Giorgio]

I'd replace "Alt" replacing "Alt Gr" with "Alt Gr."

Gr oss.

I'm an ISO user, and I hate alt gr.

[romevi]

I'd replace "Alt" replacing "Alt Gr" with "Alt Gr."

Gr oss.

I'm an ISO user, and I hate alt gr.

Gr oss.

I'm an ANSI user, and I love Alt Gr.

[TalkingTree]

I'd advise putting two Alt and one Alt Gr but these two gentlemen are fun.

[menuhin]

In.

GMK Dolch is a must-have set for me.

[beamingrobot]

i'm in!

[gandroider]

For 1800 set, I'll join.

And please make it quick ... LOL

[LDobler]

I would be in for a 6u Spacebar 

[onmybikedrunk]

I can't stay away from anything Dolch. I'd be down for sure.  Maybe even 2...

[wholypantalones]

Based on the feedbacks, added a very basic Dolch Base sets to the IC.

Base set with 1800 support, count me in for sho.

[kekkon]

I will be in for 2 add-on kits if it supports 75%.

I think the current keys should be more than enough to support 75%, I am not sure if it worth on adding dedicated 75% keys since this is a small set.

I think having a pair of 2.25x (left shift) shift keys would be nice for 660 owners.

I think those who got Dolch may have 1 2.25u Shift already, this AddON kits will complete the 660 layout for them. 

How about Base set with Icons Modifier like Sky Dolch reborn?

Ivan did it great no doubt about that, would like to see it relunch again. 

Added a very basic base set, but with so much GMK Keysets floating around next year, I am not sure if this set can make it ways.

[Giorgio]

Please do a GB with a complete set  )

[oatmicro]

Added a very basic base set, but with so much GMK Keysets floating around next year, I am not sure if this set can make it ways.

Thank you! but the real intent about adding base set is for making those add-on can hit the MOQ easier with the condition that every kits need to hit MOQ together.

More dolch owners - more chance that people would join to the add-on kits.

add-on kits always failed to hit the MOQ because most of pre-owners already put their keyset on a keyboard and they doesn't care about it anymore.

I thought we need some new dolch-owners to make this happen.   

 

[Dreamre]

I still think 75% support is pretty vital! All of the newer GMK sets have this support. It's equally as popular as 1800 support.

[geniekid]

We also need R3 Control for HHKB support!

[Giorgio]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

[hervuli]

interested for homing bars and 1800 support!

[onmybikedrunk]

I'm really excited you added a base set!  Especially since I have every version of Dolch except Ivan's.  The funny part about that is Icon Mods are my fav.  I actually just bought a basic set of the xFrontier run... I'm gonna be in Dolch overload.

[jchan94]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

[Giorgio]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

[romevi]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

[jchan94]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

[Giorgio]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Non sequitur.

[pomk]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry to butt in, but if you wish to talk about numbers, instead of opinions, the 150 MOQ question should either be had for all of the keys in the kit or for none. For example the WKL bottom row is hardly more popular than ISO, and yet you seem to feel that it is perfectly OK for it to be present in any kit. It has been a while since the last GB that made a clear-ish separation for WKL buyers. The latest one being the still ongoing dasher/dancer, and in that one currently ISO has 54 kits sold, while 7U spacebar has been bought by 87. The spacebar set has also an extra 6.25U spacebar, and thus some correction should be added to the 87 spacebar kits sold as some people are buying them just to get the space in mod colour instead of the standard alpha colour. Both (ISO UK and WKL bottom row) have realistically under 10% of people behind them, so unless this set sells more than 1500 units, both should be removed "as they would not reach MOQ on their own".

Of course the OP can just have whatever keys he likes to have in a set, I'm not denying that and the driving factor should always be the GB leaders vision. Just don't mix numbers with personal need and feelings, thanks!

[jchan94]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry to butt in, but if you wish to talk about numbers, instead of opinions, the 150 MOQ question should either be had for all of the keys in the kit or for none. For example the WKL bottom row is hardly more popular than ISO, and yet you seem to feel that it is perfectly OK for it to be present in any kit. It has been a while since the last GB that made a clear-ish separation for WKL buyers. The latest one being the still ongoing dasher/dancer, and in that one currently ISO has 54 kits sold, while 7U spacebar has been bought by 87. The spacebar set has also an extra 6.25U spacebar, and thus some correction should be added to the 87 spacebar kits sold as some people are buying them just to get the space in mod colour instead of the standard alpha colour. Both (ISO UK and WKL bottom row) have realistically under 10% of people behind them, so unless this set sells more than 1500 units, both should be removed "as they would not reach MOQ on their own".

Of course the OP can just have whatever keys he likes to have in a set, I'm not denying that and the driving factor should always be the GB leaders vision. Just don't mix numbers with personal need and feelings, thanks!

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED



Jukebox

[pomk]

No ISO keys in any kit? I don't know if there's someone else who needs them.

I've discovered that gmk pricing is quite suprising, I mean that once you pass a certain number of keys, they start to become "quite" cheap.
I mean that the 1800 kit could cost for example €20, and adding a numpad kit to the 1800 kit could possibly cost only €7, while the numpad kit alone could cost €15. This isn't an easy problem to address.

It sounds like you should be really inclined to start a GB for it . I highly encourage you to do so in order to achieve the most optimized kit pricing for the keys you and your fellow ISO members need.

But the real question is: how many ISO users are there with GMK dolch that want it? Or how many people want to buy GMK dolch and get ISO? Is there demand? Can you fill 150 units?

Please stop.

Giorgio, why do you ask so many people to do this yet, when people ask you to do it, you say there's no way?

I don't think that's fair if you to say Giorgio. As romevi said, you ask others to include it, yet don't take the initiative to do it yourself.

I think my question is pretty fair with the moqs. You know iso has an issue with meeting it as is mate.

In any case, I'll drop it. Hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry to butt in, but if you wish to talk about numbers, instead of opinions, the 150 MOQ question should either be had for all of the keys in the kit or for none. For example the WKL bottom row is hardly more popular than ISO, and yet you seem to feel that it is perfectly OK for it to be present in any kit. It has been a while since the last GB that made a clear-ish separation for WKL buyers. The latest one being the still ongoing dasher/dancer, and in that one currently ISO has 54 kits sold, while 7U spacebar has been bought by 87. The spacebar set has also an extra 6.25U spacebar, and thus some correction should be added to the 87 spacebar kits sold as some people are buying them just to get the space in mod colour instead of the standard alpha colour. Both (ISO UK and WKL bottom row) have realistically under 10% of people behind them, so unless this set sells more than 1500 units, both should be removed "as they would not reach MOQ on their own".

Of course the OP can just have whatever keys he likes to have in a set, I'm not denying that and the driving factor should always be the GB leaders vision. Just don't mix numbers with personal need and feelings, thanks!

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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The kits you mention have the 7U space integrated in them, making the differentiation between WKL bottom row and the rest op the adapter keys, namely the popular short right shift and stepped capslock, impossible. By that logic if the ISO enter would be introduced in the base modifiers kit it would be hugely popular key to have, no? If you check the Dasher/Dancer ratio of adapter kits and 7U spacebars bought and use that ratio on the godspeed adapter kit, you will see that the combined UK+Norde beat the 7U spacebar option in popularity. Same applies for Jukebox. Of course in those buys more people might have bought the adapter kits for the 7U space than is the case in Dasher/Dancer (as no one knows, because of how they are bundled together), but I don't think that the difference is of the magnitude you think.

FYI, ISO is very popular in Europe. 

[soilheart]

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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Well, take a look at Overcast then, with a minimal ISO kit and a 7u spacebar kit the only way to get a 7u spacebar:



I know 44 ISO kits aren't that many compared to 720 total kits, but 20 7u spacebars are even less.

*shrug*

I would also love to see basic ISO compatibility for this as an icon only Dolch is one of my dream sets and I'm currently using only ISO keyboards. But that's my personal preference, and if it's not added then I simply won't buy the set, simple as that.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I can agree that Giorgio can be a little argumentative and provocative sometimes, but I can't see the issue with his comments in this thread. So far he's only asked for including a few more keys to be added to the sets, and mentioned that combining kits can make a better deal than keeping them separate, and the response is "well create your own GB then!". Kinda going overboard don'tcha think?

[Giorgio]

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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Well, take a look at Overcast then, with a minimal ISO kit and a 7u spacebar kit the only way to get a 7u spacebar:

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I know 44 ISO kits aren't that many compared to 720 total kits, but 20 7u spacebars are even less.

*shrug*

I would also love to see basic ISO compatibility for this as an icon only Dolch is one of my dream sets and I'm currently using only ISO keyboards. But that's my personal preference, and if it's not added then I simply won't buy the set, simple as that.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I can agree that Giorgio can be a little argumentative and provocative sometimes, but I can't see the issue with his comments in this thread. So far he's only asked for including a few more keys to be added to the sets, and mentioned that combining kits can make a better deal than keeping them separate, and the response is "well create your own GB then!". Kinda going overboard don'tcha think?

This is a clear and logic post.

They're telling you to make your own gb in 3, 2, 1....

[Mr_BeastQuake]

Good idea for an add on kit. I wait for Miami Night as well, I heart N9 alphas.

Is this post going to go the route of the Honeywell GB post? Maybe a new plan of attack is needed, I think the current one is mildly disrespectful.

[romevi]

Great analysis and perspective. I have seen those numbers, and you are very correct. However, I recommend you see the numbers after the China GB has submitted their numbers. WKL is very popular in China, and are used in a chunk of customs (TKL WKL for example), and more.

But other than that, you do drive one very compelling argument and I can't help but to agree, if we didn't have numbers for other sets such as: Jukebox and Godspeed. You can refer to "TSAFOX" and "NONSTANDARD" for these kits.

In any case, I hope everyone can get the keys they want .

GODSPEED

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Jukebox

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Well, take a look at Overcast then, with a minimal ISO kit and a 7u spacebar kit the only way to get a 7u spacebar:

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I know 44 ISO kits aren't that many compared to 720 total kits, but 20 7u spacebars are even less.

*shrug*

I would also love to see basic ISO compatibility for this as an icon only Dolch is one of my dream sets and I'm currently using only ISO keyboards. But that's my personal preference, and if it's not added then I simply won't buy the set, simple as that.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I can agree that Giorgio can be a little argumentative and provocative sometimes, but I can't see the issue with his comments in this thread. So far he's only asked for including a few more keys to be added to the sets, and mentioned that combining kits can make a better deal than keeping them separate, and the response is "well create your own GB then!". Kinda going overboard don'tcha think?

This is a clear and logic post.

They're telling you to make your own gb in 3, 2, 1....

Nah, just that you actually join the GBs you tout these kits for, which would help increase the number of sales and make these kits actually worthwhile to add in future sets.

[duynguyenle]

It has occured to me that true 1800 layout Dolch is only possible by scavenging old Dolch Pacs, so this mini kits is a great idea. I'd be in for one to augment my set from Ivan's GB.

Shameless self-promotion: My Tada68 with ISO-UK caps


Having 65/75% compatible caps would be nice (i.e. the right hand column), but I guess not absolutely essential.

[kekkon]

Thanks for all the input.

I have made some quick adjustment to the Base and the Add On Kits, I hope this will cover most of the popular key caps set by now.

What''s your guys opinion on the 1.75u Shift and 1u FN in the Add On Kits, IMO maybe there are some demands on it if their Dolch is harvest from OLD Dolch key caps and wanted a new one, but if those who bought Ivan's or maybe this ICON Dolch, it will be redundant.

[oatmicro]

i'm not sure but I think the control keys on row 4 in base set should be "ctrl" instead of "control" but I guess this just a temporary mockup.

about ISO issue, it always happen to keyset group buy.

In terms of the GB/IC leaders opinion, they need to make it cheapest for ANSI users as they're the majority users.
 
GB leaders always tried to reduce everything that majority users didn't need, and ISO keys is one of those thing.

ISO users(Minority ) - Why you guys can't pay a little bit more for us.

ANSI users(Majority) - Why do we have to pay for something that we never use.

if ISO users are 20% of group buy, 120 people have to pay at least $5 for the keys that they never use.

that's how you waste $600 for the useless keycaps.

but when you're talking about Winkeyless kit, everyone have a chance to use it.

everyone have a chance to get a Winkeyless keyboard, might be not now but in the future... no one know.

but there's no way that ANSI users gonna have any chance to use ISO keys.

are you fine with a keycap set without WKL kit aren't you?

if you have a keycap set without WKL kit when you got a WKL keyboard, your whole set is useless.

in terms of ISO users you can adapt, because there's no ISO-Only custom keyboard if I remember correctly.

[pomk]

i'm not sure but I think the control keys on row 4 in base set should be "ctrl" instead of "control" but I guess this just a temporary mockup.

about ISO issue, it always happen to keyset group buy.

In terms of the GB/IC leaders opinion, they need to make it cheapest for ANSI users as they're the majority users.
 
GB leaders always tried to reduce everything that majority users didn't need, and ISO keys is one of those thing.

ISO users(Minority ) - Why you guys can't pay a little bit more for us.

ANSI users(Majority) - Why do we have to pay for something that we never use.

if ISO users are 20% of group buy, 120 people have to pay at least $5 for the keys that they never use.

that's how you waste $600 for the useless keycaps.

but when you're talking about Winkeyless kit, everyone have a chance to use it.

everyone have a chance to get a Winkeyless keyboard, might be not now but in the future... no one know.

but there's no way that ANSI users gonna have any chance to use ISO keys.

are you fine with a keycap set without WKL kit aren't you?

if you have a keycap set without WKL kit when you got a WKL keyboard, your whole set is useless.

in terms of ISO users you can adapt, because there's no ISO-Only custom keyboard if I remember correctly.

Some people adapt from ansi to ISO as well. You can ask Ideus for details. No one knows whether you are the next convert ... You can also adapt from WKL to standard bottom row, just don't buy a board that does require it  )
As for adapting from ISO to ansi, it is difficult as not one of my co-workers are familiar with it and we sometimes have to do work on each others workstations. Also if I want to write text in my native language and need to use certain special characters in the midst, I need to change the locale settings before and after typing them as well as remembering where to find them in the US-ansi layout.

I get it that you don't like ISO and that is fine, just don't try to argue with numbers that are not in your favour. The same amount of, or even more, people want/need/see themselves using the ISO keys than WKL bottom row. Based on the SP kit sales on Massdrop as discussed above.

p.s. I'm all for inclusion, better to have more options than less as I feel that it makes it easier to reach MOQ in many cases.

[oatmicro]

I get it that you don't like ISO and that is fine, just don't try to argue with numbers that are not in your favour. The same amount of, or even more, people want/need/see themselves using the ISO keys than WKL bottom row. Based on the SP kit sales on Massdrop as discussed above.

I don't hate or don't like ISO to be honest, but sometime they have to understand that we can't add ISO keys for them every single time when keycap sets were made.

if it was a Complete keycap set you guys really deserve it no doubt about that.

but in the small add-on kits or budget keycap sets every penny that higher meant a lot to how interesting they are.

I just hope you guys understand why they always cut it off.

[soilheart]

are you fine with a keycap set without WKL kit aren't you?

if you have a keycap set without WKL kit when you got a WKL keyboard, your whole set is useless.

in terms of ISO users you can adapt, because there's no ISO-Only custom keyboard if I remember correctly.

I feel like this discussion is starting to derail. But seriously, do you understand how US centric your post is?

Here in Sweden and Nordic Europe there's no WKL board to be found for sale, and ANSI keyboards usually cost double the price of the corresponding ISO variant.

Hence I appreciate when ANSI users show some solidarity and pay $5 (for some keys you can sell, I've bought ISO keys from US users for $10+/set a few times), just as standard bottom row users usually are fine with paying for WKL keys.

Based on the feedbacks, added a very basic Dolch Base sets to the IC.

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Looks awesome, count me in.

[duynguyenle]

i'm not sure but I think the control keys on row 4 in base set should be "ctrl" instead of "control" but I guess this just a temporary mockup.

about ISO issue, it always happen to keyset group buy.

In terms of the GB/IC leaders opinion, they need to make it cheapest for ANSI users as they're the majority users.
 
GB leaders always tried to reduce everything that majority users didn't need, and ISO keys is one of those thing.

ISO users(Minority ) - Why you guys can't pay a little bit more for us.

ANSI users(Majority) - Why do we have to pay for something that we never use.

if ISO users are 20% of group buy, 120 people have to pay at least $5 for the keys that they never use.

that's how you waste $600 for the useless keycaps.

but when you're talking about Winkeyless kit, everyone have a chance to use it.

everyone have a chance to get a Winkeyless keyboard, might be not now but in the future... no one know.

but there's no way that ANSI users gonna have any chance to use ISO keys.

are you fine with a keycap set without WKL kit aren't you?

if you have a keycap set without WKL kit when you got a WKL keyboard, your whole set is useless.

in terms of ISO users you can adapt, because there's no ISO-Only custom keyboard if I remember correctly.

Well thanks for making this hobby a more friendly and inclusive community for us all (NOT!)

It may be unfathomable to you, but ISO support is non-trivial to many of us. That's not the correct or healthy attitude to have. If you're dying to have Wkl bottom row, Originative still has Dolch WKL add-on on their site, go get it from there. I'd much rather have iso keys.

[pomk]

but in the small add-on kits or budget keycap sets every penny that higher meant a lot to how interesting they are.

I just hope you guys understand why they always cut it off.

IMO in budged sets one should remove the least used keys first, no? Based on actual numbers, instead of your opinions, one can argue that WKL is used less than ISO. So if ISO is to be removed, then WKL should be long gone as well. Even if WKL and ISO would have about the same popularity, ISO is cheaper to add than WKL and should thus be introduced first, no?

Anyway, sorry for derailing this topic. I just don't like when people talk about numbers and percentages and mix them with personal beliefs.

p.s. inclusion > seclusion

[oatmicro]

Well thanks for making this hobby a more friendly and inclusive community for us all (NOT!)

It may be unfathomable to you, but ISO support is non-trivial to many of us. That's not the correct or healthy attitude to have. If you're dying to have Wkl bottom row, Originative still has Dolch WKL add-on on their site, go get it from there. I'd much rather have iso keys.

It non-trivial to me either  if it was a complete keycap set, but when It became a separate kits as you see in this thread. ISO kit should be a separate kit like other kits as well.
why they always force ANSI users to pay for them. and you can see it on every massdrop group buys, they always separate it when the group buy became a separate-style.

I feel like this discussion is starting to derail. But seriously, do you understand how US centric your post is?

Here in Sweden and Nordic Europe there's no WKL board to be found for sale, and ANSI keyboards usually cost double the price of the corresponding ISO variant.

Hence I appreciate when ANSI users show some solidarity and pay $5 (for some keys you can sell, I've bought ISO keys from US users for $10+/set a few times), just as standard bottom row users usually are fine with paying for WKL keys.

should we make it to cover Japanese layout as well?

or it should be a separate add-on kit?

how do you think?

Here in Japanese there's no ISO or ANSI needed, we need you to make it cover to Japanese layout as well, thank you.

p.s. I'm not a Japanese I'm kidding

[pomk]

The kit only needs a 1U backspace to support JIS layout as well as any GMK set can without new spacebar molds. Good suggestion! 

If you wish to separate ISO, you should also separate WKL and possibly some other keys as well. With the MOQ and setup costs, the kit price would be higher by ridiculous amounts than when it's included in a larger kit. You buying base + WKL would cost more than a combined set of WKL + ISO + base. Also the WKL would not tip anyway.  )

One great idea would be to separate ANSI as well, so that we don't need to buy that many useless keys. That way no one would have to pay for keys they don't use, and everyone would pay more to GMK. 

[oatmicro]

no need to separate WKL kit, I would grab from originative instead.

well, sound like i'm cheating 

[Dreamre]

Thanks for all the input.

I have made some quick adjustment to the Base and the Add On Kits, I hope this will cover most of the popular key caps set by now.

What''s your guys opinion on the 1.75u Shift and 1u FN in the Add On Kits, IMO maybe there are some demands on it if their Dolch is harvest from OLD Dolch key caps and wanted a new one, but if those who bought Ivan's or maybe this ICON Dolch, it will be redundant.

Yes, thanks for adding 75% support! I'm in for 2 or even 3 sets!

[neon_tom]

75% support plus potentially a full base kit?? Now I'm definitely in!

[kekkon]

I think the sets are pretty much sums up at this point, and I will start getting quote from GMK now.

For those who are interested, please fill in this IC form to let us know what chance does this sets have.

https://goo.gl/forms/wkn9KL9AKmTZcVRi2

*Please note that those prices are just an early estimation by me...might be cheaper or expensive. 

[dsaf]

What are the colours? Same as here http://keypuller.com/gmk-dolch-replica ?

Would be nice (for me):

1) ISO UK

and/or

2) Dark gray flex kit for F1-F12

Mostly to mix with a Stormtrooper set. I wish it was known whether there is going to be a full proper Dolch coming next year from anyone...

PS: the thread should probably be renamed now as it has some sort of a base kit.

[kekkon]

What are the colours? Same as here http://keypuller.com/gmk-dolch-replica ?

Would be nice (for me):

1) ISO UK

and/or

2) Dark gray flex kit for F1-F12

Mostly to mix with a Stormtrooper set. I wish it was known whether there is going to be a full proper Dolch coming next year from anyone...

PS: the thread should probably be renamed now as it has some sort of a base kit.

Yeap, the color used are N9,CC & CP.

Will change the name accordingly. 

[menuhin]

Question: the Dolch base kit you added as already "4 WIN key with ICON on it", then what icons are actually on the R4 of your proposed Addon kit?
Those 4-diamond shaped icons seem to be newly invented to me.

If those are not meant to be Windows icons, there are more traditional icons and text you can consider, such as:
'Super', 'Hyper', 'Meta', 'Alt Gr'
And the meta key icons (from Sun keyboard and Apple keyboard)





Also, there is one more detail to consider: there is the shortage of GMK keyset with a real R5 profile in recent years. R5 key profiles are for the modifiers at the space bar row (but not for the space bar itself). Most sets have only R4-R4 setting at their 2 lowest rows. Two examples that have R5 keys are the GMK WoB at Originative and GMK Triumph Adler.

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[kekkon]

I think is also good that I throw in an idea of mine during the Dolch Reborn GB phase, x-CMYW.

The winkey colors are yet to determine yet, what color you think that will fill in blank? 



I am currently thinking on RO2(A new bright red from GMK) and DY (Purple)

[kekkon]

...

Those diamond are meant for windows key, which I think it is more lovely than those using by most recently.  )

I am not fans of R5 profile myself. 

[menuhin]

I think is also good that I throw in an idea of mine during the Dolch Reborn GB phase, x-CMYW.

The winkey colors are yet to determine yet, what color you think that will fill in blank? 

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Now I see. That is your own new windows-key design. Throwing out new ideas is always good. I am just a bit conservative towards a more old-practice-inclined set like Dolch. For things like Deep-space set, I am pretty much open to most of the new ideas.

As a reference, the latest GMK Windows-key design matches Windows 10's logo.

[Unforgivable]

I think the sets are pretty much sums up at this point, and I will start getting quote from GMK now.

For those who are interested, please fill in this IC form to let us know what chance does this sets have.

https://goo.gl/forms/wkn9KL9AKmTZcVRi2

*Please note that those prices are just an early estimation by me...might be cheaper or expensive. 

Thank you for this! I've been wanting a Dolch set for a while now!

[Mr_BeastQuake]

Has this full on escalated from an add on kit to a full set and add on kits? I approve. I do think windows keys would be good to have in addition (?) to the diamonds, can be I'm add on kit or whatever but I know some people would throw a bigger fit due to their absence than I.

[YH YOON]

I'M IN!!!!

[Jumie]

+1

[kekkon]

The reason why I am using the new diamond on the Dolch AddON as Winkey is because I thought it will be more widely accept than win8, but if everyone can accept win8 I will definitely change it to the win8 ICON. 

[menuhin]

The reason why I am using the new diamond on the Dolch AddON as Winkey is because I thought it will be more widely accept than win8, but if everyone can accept win8 I will definitely change it to the win8 ICON. 

I respect your new Add-on graphic work, salut Kekkon!
However, it is difficult to say or judge if a newly invented novelty icon will be "widely accepted".

On the other hand, I have to say I like the Windows 10 icon design adopted in the recent GMK keysets, such as the GMK Hyperfuse set, and the GMK Skeletor set that I posted above. It is a neat design with a minimalistic and modern look. And I don't need any introduction to understand that is the Windows key.
Instead, I do appreciate a few extra key caps for the Meta keys, like those in older Unix keyboards in SUN or Apple computers.

Attached herewith are also some older Cherry Windows key designs for your reference.

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[TalkingTree]

The reason why I am using the new diamond on the Dolch AddON as Winkey is because I thought it will be more widely accept than win8

I personally like the style of both Win 8/10 and the diamond you're proposing. Furthermore Win95/98 logos are usually pad printed.

[sungwon]

good I love dolch. yey

[shower_king]

i prefer to X-CMWY and look forward to this Mod
i know that all the pure colors for RGB and CMY are here now and complete, it is pretty challenging to choose another pure color to stand out in this Mod
first , V2 and BR1 even P3 are good choices, however the DY1 is much better in this mock up. My worry for DY1 is that this color has emerged in many Mod such as Purple Mod.
Any how , you have enough time to choose a much better color for winkey besides RO1. waiting for you progress ,Merry christmas.

[ideus]

On ISO compatibility:


There are many options to give ISO compatibilty to an ANSI US set. The XT layout is the easiest and cheapest one. It only requires four keys on top of the ANSI US layout:

Item	Profile	Legend	Size
1	C-D	Enter	ISO
2	C	`~	1
3	B	\|	1
4	B	Shift	1.25

This layout is not new, nor something just made up, it was extensively used in the eighties in keyboards for most XT IBM compatible computers. It allows the use of an ISO Enter in ANSI US layouts with no redundant legends. This is a very effective and cost efficient way to offer basic ISO compatibility to an ANSI US based set.


The second less demanding ISO compatibility option for an US set is implementing an UK layout. This requires five extra keys, over the XT layout:

Item	Profile	Legend	Size
1	E	` ¬	1
2	E	2 "	1
3	E	3 £	1
4	C	' @	1
5	C	# ~	1

Any other ISO based Language requires many more extra keys. This may be better acomplished with an International set.


The two ISO alpha keys that you included in this base set, along with the ISO modifiers, belong to the German ISO layout. They have redundant legends with the US standard. The XT keys that I suggest may be a better fit for that small ISO compatibility pack. The German ISO requires more than twenty extra keys, so including a couple of them does not accomplish it. I really do not understand why some recent GMK sets have included them. They may only serve as placeholders.


An example of the XT layout.

[dsaf]

The second less demanding ISO compatibility option for an US set is implementing an UK layout.

Good option!

[kekkon]

Hi everyone, just back from a long holiday. I will post an update after I wrap the feed backs. 

[Dreamre]

Hi everyone, just back from a long holiday. I will post an update after I wrap the feed backs. 

Yes!

[bocahgundul]

YES PLZ

[fublamchu]

Will probably get in on this if it gets into GB phase

[darkslay3r]

Hi everyone, just back from a long holiday. I will post an update after I wrap the feed backs. 

let's arrange some groupbuy !!

[Captainbuttmonkey]

I think is also good that I throw in an idea of mine during the Dolch Reborn GB phase, x-CMYW.

The winkey colors are yet to determine yet, what color you think that will fill in blank? 

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I am currently thinking on RO2(A new bright red from GMK) and DY (Purple)

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Love the colours aside from the dark brown and dark red windows keys in the top render. The mock-up below with the bright red and purple = must buy. Awesome colours, please make this =]

[ctrlX]

I think is also good that I throw in an idea of mine during the Dolch Reborn GB phase, x-CMYW.

The winkey colors are yet to determine yet, what color you think that will fill in blank? 

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I am currently thinking on RO2(A new bright red from GMK) and DY (Purple)

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Love the colours aside from the dark brown and dark red windows keys in the top render. The mock-up below with the bright red and purple = must buy. Awesome colours, please make this =]

Yes, i am not too fond of the dark red and brown either. Would probably end up not being used.

[menuhin]

I think is also good that I throw in an idea of mine during the Dolch Reborn GB phase, x-CMYW.

The winkey colors are yet to determine yet, what color you think that will fill in blank? 

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I am currently thinking on RO2(A new bright red from GMK) and DY (Purple)

Show Image

Love the colours aside from the dark brown and dark red windows keys in the top render. The mock-up below with the bright red and purple = must buy. Awesome colours, please make this =]

Yes, i am not too fond of the dark red and brown either. Would probably end up not being used.

x3

[Lighthouse1]

Long time no post for me; I originally came for a Dolch set, ended up with red and white (living it up at work), green and white, the commodore set (whose name I forget but which has graced my daily home driver ever since, I love it) and a Clack.

Carried away I didn't get the Dolch! Need the set with ISO (apologies to the thread debaters on this). So am in.

Oooh..there's another thread..Honeywell...pretty. Oh dear. Here we go.

[menuhin]

Long time no post for me; I originally came for a Dolch set, ended up with red and white (living it up at work), green and white, the commodore set (whose name I forget but which has graced my daily home driver ever since, I love it) and a Clack.

Carried away I didn't get the Dolch! Need the set with ISO (apologies to the thread debaters on this). So am in.

Oooh..there's another thread..Honeywell...pretty. Oh dear. Here we go.

If you need the ISO, why don't you join the ongoing German GB mentioned on DT?

[Giorgio]

Long time no post for me; I originally came for a Dolch set, ended up with red and white (living it up at work), green and white, the commodore set (whose name I forget but which has graced my daily home driver ever since, I love it) and a Clack.

Carried away I didn't get the Dolch! Need the set with ISO (apologies to the thread debaters on this). So am in.

Oooh..there's another thread..Honeywell...pretty. Oh dear. Here we go.

If you need the ISO, why don't you join the ongoing German GB mentioned on DT?

That's QWERTz, they could have added a correct z and y

[menuhin]

Long time no post for me; I originally came for a Dolch set, ended up with red and white (living it up at work), green and white, the commodore set (whose name I forget but which has graced my daily home driver ever since, I love it) and a Clack.

Carried away I didn't get the Dolch! Need the set with ISO (apologies to the thread debaters on this). So am in.

Oooh..there's another thread..Honeywell...pretty. Oh dear. Here we go.

If you need the ISO, why don't you join the ongoing German GB mentioned on DT?

That's QWERTz, they could have added a correct z and y

Right, they don't sell the "reverse international kit".
But if it's just 2 keys for you, it's easier. Perhaps better than waiting for another year with GB risk.

[kekkon]

The Final version of the mockup will be as below.

As suggested by Ideus, I have change the ISO to IBM XT Type..I am not really familiar with ISO, if you guys still have any suggestion, feel free to comment below.

1. The Dolch will be using ICON Mod.
2. Dolch Base will be using win8 Icon, while the Dolch AddOn will be using diamond icon.
3. A color pack has been added.
4. x-CMYW will be using new bright Red and purple with win8 and diamond legend respectively.

Dolch Base


Dolch AddON


Dolch Color Kits


x-CMYW


Using the Color kits, if you have Sky Dolch/Dolch Reborn Cyan Mod + 9009/Classic Beige, you can get something like:-


 

[fatbuffalo]

The Final version of the mockup will be as below.

As suggested by Ideus, I have change the ISO to IBM XT Type..I am not really familiar with ISO, if you guys still have any suggestion, feel free to comment below.

1. The Dolch will be using ICON Mod.
2. Dolch Base will be using win8 Icon, while the Dolch AddOn will be using diamond icon.
3. A color pack has been added.
4. x-CMYW will be using new bright Red and purple with win8 and diamond legend respectively.

Dolch Base

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Dolch AddON

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Dolch Color Kits

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x-CMYW

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Using the Color kits, if you have Sky Dolch/Dolch Reborn Cyan Mod + 9009/Classic Beige, you can get something like:-

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 :p

Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me.  :rolleyes:

[kekkon]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

[fatbuffalo]

Now I see why the color looks more like the Tai Hao than the other GMK Dolchi. Thank you for the explanation. I will ask my friends to join too when the GB is ready

[Jumie]

in for all kits.. cmon Kekkon, start the GB already.. and don't forget discount code for previous 9009 buyer will you? 

[menuhin]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

Am I hearing it clearly..?
So it is not in the traditional classic Dolch colorway, and instead it is a copy of TaiHao's design??
 

Please, please make it a classic GMK Dolch Groupbuy!

[sungwon]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

Am I hearing it clearly..?
So it is not in the traditional classic Dolch colorway, and instead it is a copy of TaiHao's design??
 

Please, please make it a classic GMK Dolch Groupbuy!

I think its just kidding
Base color would be N9 CC

[fatbuffalo]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

Am I hearing it clearly..?
So it is not in the traditional classic Dolch colorway, and instead it is a copy of TaiHao's design??
 

Please, please make it a classic GMK Dolch Groupbuy!

I think its just kidding
Base color would be N9 CC

I am a little confused now. Is this like a typical or taihao?

[sungwon]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

Am I hearing it clearly..?
So it is not in the traditional classic Dolch colorway, and instead it is a copy of TaiHao's design??
 

Please, please make it a classic GMK Dolch Groupbuy!

I think its just kidding
Base color would be N9 CC

I am a little confused now. Is this like a typical or taihao?

typical

[fatbuffalo]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

Am I hearing it clearly..?
So it is not in the traditional classic Dolch colorway, and instead it is a copy of TaiHao's design??
 

Please, please make it a classic GMK Dolch Groupbuy!

I think its just kidding
Base color would be N9 CC

I am a little confused now. Is this like a typical or taihao?

typical

i see. i might not be joining then. 

[Giorgio]

...
Does your dolchi use the same color code as other dolchi? Your title says GMK, but it looks like taihao to me. 

Yeap~it is actually a copy of Taihao version rebranded to GMK. 

Am I hearing it clearly..?
So it is not in the traditional classic Dolch colorway, and instead it is a copy of TaiHao's design??
 

Please, please make it a classic GMK Dolch Groupbuy!

I think its just kidding
Base color would be N9 CC

I am a little confused now. Is this like a typical or taihao?

typical

i see. i might not be joining then.

So, you're not joining because this is the traditional dolch, instead of the taihao dolch? what???

[kekkon]

Ok, just to clariy...This set will be using traditional N9, CC like most of the GMK GB.  )

[Lighthouse1]

Long time no post for me; I originally came for a Dolch set, ended up with red and white (living it up at work), green and white, the commodore set (whose name I forget but which has graced my daily home driver ever since, I love it) and a Clack.

Carried away I didn't get the Dolch! Need the set with ISO (apologies to the thread debaters on this). So am in.

Oooh..there's another thread..Honeywell...pretty. Oh dear. Here we go.

If you need the ISO, why don't you join the ongoing German GB mentioned on DT?

Happy to, can someone provide a link?

[IneffableTao]

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Long time no post for me; I originally came for a Dolch set, ended up with red and white (living it up at work), green and white, the commodore set (whose name I forget but which has graced my daily home driver ever since, I love it) and a Clack.

Carried away I didn't get the Dolch! Need the set with ISO (apologies to the thread debaters on this). So am in.

Oooh..there's another thread..Honeywell...pretty. Oh dear. Here we go.

If you need the ISO, why don't you join the ongoing German GB mentioned on DT?

Happy to, can someone provide a link?

https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/gmk-dolch-german-only-t14868.html

[sungwon]

when GB will start?

[Unforgivable]

I'm hyped for this set and all the additional add-on's and CMYW!! 

[clankgy1]

Only thing my recent GMK Dolch set didn't include which would have been really handy would be a control key the same size as the Caps Lock key (I'm guessing 1.75u R3?).  I can't remember if that set included a 1.25 Fn key either, but I'd like both of those before plowing that set on my Pok3r.

[loud_asian]

Only thing my recent GMK Dolch set didn't include which would have been really handy would be a control key the same size as the Caps Lock key (I'm guessing 1.75u R3?).  I can't remember if that set included a 1.25 Fn key either, but I'd like both of those before plowing that set on my Pok3r.

Looks like the add-on kit has both those keys

[kekkon]

I am getting quote from GMK this week. Probably will start at the end of the month if time permits.

[loud_asian]

I am getting quote from GMK this week. Probably will start at the end of the month if time permits.

thank you for the update

my current set of dolch is starting to get shiny, I need to stock up on this set!

[mech0nly]

Interested! 

[PoisonKing]

I am getting quote from GMK this week. Probably will start at the end of the month if time permits.

Sweet! 

[oatmicro]

I'm ready!

wait... maybe not, let me check my wallet first.

[romevi]

There's currently a set being run in Germany. Will this set use some of the same keys?




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Ugh. What's with GH lately? Sometimes the pics show up fine; other times they don't.

Also, kekkon, will this set use the same side prints as Ivan's did? Would you consider doing the slashed 0s as well?
This is a much healthier Dolch set than Ivan's--meaning it's much more compatible than his set--but the reason I'm hot for Ivan's sets is the icon modifiers (which you've got going), the side prints on some of the keys, and the slashed 0s. I'm surprised we don't see too many of the slashed 0s; I think it looks really neat.

[wholypantalones]

I am getting quote from GMK this week. Probably will start at the end of the month if time permits.

Thanks, my wallet is ready.

[nastrovje]

Will it be possible to just buy the Colour pack?

[gnmar2723]

I need some icon mods so I'm in 

[clankgy1]

Only thing my recent GMK Dolch set didn't include which would have been really handy would be a control key the same size as the Caps Lock key (I'm guessing 1.75u R3?).  I can't remember if that set included a 1.25 Fn key either, but I'd like both of those before plowing that set on my Pok3r.

Looks like the add-on kit has both those keys

Assuming so, I'd buy one set

[poolside]

Hmm, the cyan accent kit adds a nice touch of color and makes the set enticing. Time to finally pick up some Dolch, I guess. 

[romevi]

Hmm, the cyan accent kit adds a nice touch of color and makes the set enticing. Time to finally pick up some Dolch, I guess. 

It was added as well in Ivan's original run. kekkon seems to have picked up the Ivan set and improved it by adding more compatibility with keyboards nowadays. I just hope he transfers over the side printing and the slashed 0s as well.

[gandroider]

I am getting quote from GMK this week. Probably will start at the end of the month if time permits.

Let's get this going!

[kekkon]

There's currently a set being run in Germany. Will this set use some of the same keys?

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Edit
Ugh. What's with GH lately? Sometimes the pics show up fine; other times they don't.

Also, kekkon, will this set use the same side prints as Ivan's did? Would you consider doing the slashed 0s as well?
This is a much healthier Dolch set than Ivan's--meaning it's much more compatible than his set--but the reason I'm hot for Ivan's sets is the icon modifiers (which you've got going), the side prints on some of the keys, and the slashed 0s. I'm surprised we don't see too many of the slashed 0s; I think it looks really neat.

Let me see what I can do with this.

I have also take a look on the German GB, their Red Color Esc seems pretty neat, maybe I will add a separate Esc Packs. :p

[romevi]

There's currently a set being run in Germany. Will this set use some of the same keys?

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Edit
Ugh. What's with GH lately? Sometimes the pics show up fine; other times they don't.

Also, kekkon, will this set use the same side prints as Ivan's did? Would you consider doing the slashed 0s as well?
This is a much healthier Dolch set than Ivan's--meaning it's much more compatible than his set--but the reason I'm hot for Ivan's sets is the icon modifiers (which you've got going), the side prints on some of the keys, and the slashed 0s. I'm surprised we don't see too many of the slashed 0s; I think it looks really neat.

Let me see what I can do with this.

I have also take a look on the German GB, their Red Color Esc seems pretty neat, maybe I will add a separate Esc Packs. :p

:D

[kekkon]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

[romevi]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Nice! Eager to see the final render and all the caps that are included.  )

[oatmicro]

Terminal, Dolch ,Soware ,Plum, oh sheeeet 

[kekkon]

Terminal, Dolch ,Soware ,Plum, oh sheeeet 

 

Maybe we should get small kits going first and get the full sets on GB.  )

[Jumie]

Terminal, Dolch ,Soware ,Plum, oh sheeeet 

 

Maybe we should get small kits going first and get the full sets on GB.  )

please No....

[Unforgivable]

Terminal, Dolch ,Soware ,Plum, oh sheeeet 

 

Maybe we should get small kits going first and get the full sets on GB.  )

Noooo! Dolch group buy all the way! 

I'm so excited for this classic set!

[oatmicro]

Terminal, Dolch ,Soware ,Plum, oh sheeeet 

 

Maybe we should get small kits going first and get the full sets on GB.  )

Undeniable that the situation of GMK Keysets very very busy right now as you predicted while ago.

Never expected it gonna very busy like this, so I understand if you will postponed.

But if you'd launch long-time GB I think you've got nothing to lose. it might be worse if Dolch showed up after this GMK storm because people already all-in their money on other GMKs.

btw it all of your decision, do as you please.

[Dreamre]

Terminal, Dolch ,Soware ,Plum, oh sheeeet 

 

Maybe we should get small kits going first and get the full sets on GB.  )

I'm fine with anything!

[loud_asian]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Do you have an estimated price for the keyset? I'm trying to see if I have enough money for all the groupbuys going on

[romevi]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Do you have an estimated price for the keyset? I'm trying to see if I have enough money for all the groupbuys going on

Prioritize, prioritize, prioritize.

There are three standard MX keysets all enthusiasts should have in their arsenal: classic beige, Dolch, and WoB.

[loud_asian]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Do you have an estimated price for the keyset? I'm trying to see if I have enough money for all the groupbuys going on

Prioritize, prioritize, prioritize.

There are three standard MX keysets all enthusiasts should have in their arsenal: classic beige, Dolch, and WoB.

it's a good thing I already have all 3  )



Dolch is my favorite out of the 3, and the set I have is shiny as hell. I just want to stock up on it

[romevi]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Do you have an estimated price for the keyset? I'm trying to see if I have enough money for all the groupbuys going on

Prioritize, prioritize, prioritize.

There are three standard MX keysets all enthusiasts should have in their arsenal: classic beige, Dolch, and WoB.

it's a good thing I already have all 3  )

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Dolch is my favorite out of the 3, and the set I have is shiny as hell. I just want to stock up on it

You're on the right path.  :thumb:

[mech0nly]

I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Do you have an estimated price for the keyset? I'm trying to see if I have enough money for all the groupbuys going on

Prioritize, prioritize, prioritize.

There are three standard MX keysets all enthusiasts should have in their arsenal: classic beige, Dolch, and WoB.

Agree! I'm currently waiting for this and olivetti


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[menuhin]

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I have got the quotation from GMK, expect to launch the GB in a few days, and leave it until end of February. Hopefully this can make it. 

Do you have an estimated price for the keyset? I'm trying to see if I have enough money for all the groupbuys going on

Prioritize, prioritize, prioritize.

There are three standard MX keysets all enthusiasts should have in their arsenal: classic beige, Dolch, and WoB.

it's a good thing I already have all 3  )

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Dolch is my favorite out of the 3, and the set I have is shiny as hell. I just want to stock up on it

Then you should also invest on a sandblaster IMHO.

[kekkon]

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

[Giorgio]

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

I'm sure that you've already made your calculations about MOQ and such, I would just like to point out that due to gmk pricing, 1)+2)+5) would cost about $120 instead of the $140 resulting from separating those keys into different kits. Great compatibility and great looking set BTW.

[kekkon]

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

I'm sure that you've already made your calculations about MOQ and such, I would just like to point out that due to gmk pricing, 1)+2)+5) would cost about $120 instead of the $140 resulting from separating those keys into different kits. Great compatibility and great looking set BTW.

I am aware of this, but 1800 kits are essential for those who have already own Dolch from previous GB and doesn't need to buy a new dolch just to get one.   )

P/S: $It might be down by $5~$10, but not $20.

[TalkingTree]

For twenty more dollars I guess it's worth to merge the kits.

[menuhin]

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

I'm sure that you've already made your calculations about MOQ and such, I would just like to point out that due to gmk pricing, 1)+2)+5) would cost about $120 instead of the $140 resulting from separating those keys into different kits. Great compatibility and great looking set BTW.

Can 1, 2, & 5 be combined then?
I'm sure most people want to get 1, 2, & 5 or at least 1 & 5.

[kekkon]

Based on my previous experience with GMK, if we combine 1 & 2...maybe the price will down by $5~10, $20 is impossible unless both kits are very large set combined together.

As for spacebars, they are only affect by MOQ and not keys count.

[Jumie]

why 1u numpad 0 is not crossed like the base kit?

[Giorgio]

I am aware of this, but 1800 kits are essential for those who have already own Dolch from previous GB and doesn't need to buy a new dolch just to get one.   )

This is a good and altruistic thought. Nevertheless GMK should be so elastic to accept to sell extra addon kits without MOQ, and with a very limited price increase, if the those exact keys are already being made for the main set! We are in 2017 after all.

[ctrlX]

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

Looks really good. I am definitely in.

[poolside]

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

I like $99 GMK keysets. 

I think there might be a mistake with the 1u R3 cap to the left of the ISO Enter. The updated mockup shows a tilde/backtick keycap.
Should the right 1.25u Alt be 'Alt Gr' instead, just like with the other 1u and 1.5u Alt pairs?
Also, the F keycap from the 1800 kit is missing a bar.

Is the big Uniqey 'Q' cap a promo one, complimentary from GMK?

[oatmicro]

damn $99 is pretty good deal.

even i'm not much ready but I think I still can take this.

[gnmar2723]

Make this happen before I have a chance to throw my money at any other GMK set 

[gandroider]

Make this happen before I have a chance to throw my money at any other GMK set 

Yes! This is correct. Kindly expedite the GB process...

[PoisonKing]

Make this happen before I have a chance to throw my money at any other GMK set 

Yes! This is correct. Kindly expedite the GB process...

second that, my monies can't wait any longer 

[kekkon]

why 1u numpad 0 is not crossed like the base kit?

I might have miss them, will update it again. 

...

...
Is the big Uniqey 'Q' cap a promo one, complimentary from GMK?

The Uniqey 'Q' is a cap that I have included in all of my previous GB, except 9009 because it doesn't exists by then.

I think is kinda something unique and kind of good looking as a R1 keys, but some say it is ugly, to each of their own I guess.

[Unforgivable]

why 1u numpad 0 is not crossed like the base kit?

I might have miss them, will update it again. 

...

...
Is the big Uniqey 'Q' cap a promo one, complimentary from GMK?

The Uniqey 'Q' is a cap that I have included in all of my previous GB, except 9009 because it doesn't exists by then.

I think is kinda something unique and kind of good looking as a R1 keys, but some say it is ugly, to each of their own I guess.

I wouldn't complain about a free keycap. That's just me though!

[kekkon]

I have draft a google form for this :-

goo.gl/7xUgmO

Please let me know if I have miss anything.

[Jumie]

filled.. let's make it happen

[oatmicro]

It's happening!
I will filled the form at the end of Feb to make sure that I will take every kits!

[neon_tom]

I have draft a google form for this :-

goo.gl/7xUgmO

Please let me know if I have miss anything.

Submitted!

[thanhnv244]

Submitted

[gnmar2723]

This is awesome! Shouldn't we move this over to the GB thread since it's live though?

[Jumie]

not approved yet maybe?

[Giorgio]

Could it possibly reach the moq before being approved?

[loud_asian]

I thought the google form was just a draft and that the GB hasn't start yet..

[gnmar2723]

I thought the google form was just a draft and that the GB hasn't start yet..

I don't wanna put my address into a draft. Also, at the top of the page with the timeline, it said go start: Jan 20

[exanile_tabasco]

Extremely excited and can't wait for this! Classic Dolch is the very last thing I need in my life to round off my Cherry profile collection.

[kekkon]

Hi everyone, sorry for the hiatus, was busy preparing for CNY.

I will open a thread at GB section later on and using the same form. Cheers. 

[P1kas]

All the pics are down in the OP

[poolside]

All the pics are down in the OP

This post from kekkon has the link to the kit mockups: 

After some planning, here is the kits...some of the kits come with decimal because these are convert from Malaysian Ringgit(MYR), real rates T.B.D by your bank at the payment time.

(All key caps come with trays or shrink wrap.)

Updated Layout

1. Dolch Base (w/o spacebars) 122pcs : ±$99
2. Dolch AddON 29pcs : ±$35.30
3. Dolch Color Kits 18pcs : ±$19
4. x-CMYW : ±$45.60
5. CC Spacebars (6.25u + 7u) : ±$5

Color Used:
Dolch : N9, CC, CP, TU2
x-CMYW : TU2, MG1, N6, RO2, N5, AE, DY

I have separate the CC Spacebars from the Base, because I think some people might need extras or those with old dolch set will need them to replace their old shinny spacebars.  )

Estimate shipping cost for those with Big-Trays will be $25 and small kits start from $5, all of these will be calculate again when we sent out the shipping invoices.

[romevi]

This isn't in GB mode yet, is it? Still in IC phase?

[clankgy1]

This isn't in GB mode yet, is it? Still in IC phase?

I dont see it, but I'm half blind.

[kekkon]

Still waiting approval.