[IC] JTK Hana (Final renders in, GB soon)

[Vala]

Base (tentative layout):


Extras (tentative layout):



Base kit and extras kit have been decided upon, and the GB should be coming very soon (maybe even today as of 4/27/18)!.
Thanks to JTK, zFrontier and everybody who gave your input. Looking forward to Hana in a new profile


*note: layouts may not be final until the group buy on zFrontier occurs!

[Vigrith]

Yes. Finally.

[donut_sauce]

I’d be into this

[senter]

I'm in

[fcoury]

Any hopes for a Macha add-on set?

[___q]

omg yes

[H3NT4I]

This would be really nice 

[dantambok]

YES

[spiritjeon]

pink split spacebar plz! XD

[Vala]

I’d be into this

I'm in

omg yes

This would be really nice 

Yes. Finally.

YES

Awesome to hear the great response so quickly!

Any hopes for a Macha add-on set?

It isn't impossible, but the current extras set is already quite loaded for being JTK. I have thought about it however.
If I see a lot more people requesting it then I might be able to move some keys around (maybe remove pink f-row in favor of some green keys?).

pink split spacebar plz! XD

Same situation as above.

[a_ak57]

Any estimate as to how much that extras kit may cost?  Novelty pricing is pretty much an unknown with JTK so I'm just curious. 

Also would it be possible to add topre spacebars?  The JTK Sophomore GB had cherry profile topre spacebars to match all the sets, though I am not sure if those were actually made by JTK or someone else.

[[Lewynlight]]

oh my god.

[Vigrith]

I know this may be too early for this question but have you brainstormed pricing with JTK/ZF at all? Namely the novelties seeing as JTK's moulds are a ton more expensive than GMK ones are nowadays, I wonder how economically feasible such a huge kit would be; just curious as to me that's such an integral part of Hana.

Edit: beaten to the punch it seems!

[shower_king]

 a little late? but yes..

[Puddsy]

Any reason for JTK over GMK? I love JTK, but GMK's novelty pricing is much cheaper.

[shower_king]

quick clarification : the high cost for JT novelty key is due to low purchase amount in comparison with GMK . If at the same purchase amount with GMK, the cost for JT novelty key  sharply decreased

[mech0nly]

Does this use exactly same color as SP?


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[Vigrith]

quick clarification : the high cost for JT novelty key is due to low purchase amount in comparison with GMK . If at the same purchase amount with GMK, the cost for JT novelty key  sharply decreased

Can they do $175 a pop with realistic numbers? It appears GMK drastically reduced their mould costs to like 150€ because of some new equipment they bought.

[jebbra]

Ohhhhhhhhh niiiiiceeee


Wait, are there really 2 types of 2u Ctrl? I think just pick one and better give the other more neutral  legend like Super and Meta (or Command, sorry I have to say this as a macOS user eventho it is OS spesific)

[LightningXI]

I do think that GMK could be a nice possibility considering the popularity of Hana. I also would like to suggest and ask if it would be possible to switch the box-arrow 1.5u Backspace to a regular Backspace arrow? I've wanted to see if JTK would be able to push for a new mold with that particular change. It's not a dealbreaker, but I think the regular backspace icon is superior to the box arrow.

[shower_king]

quick clarification : the high cost for JT novelty key is due to low purchase amount in comparison with GMK . If at the same purchase amount with GMK, the cost for JT novelty key  sharply decreased

Can they do $175 a pop with realistic numbers? It appears GMK drastically reduced their mould costs to like 150€ because of some new equipment they bought.

As I know, GMK carbon, nautilus and laser ,especially laser has lots of novelties, however the novelty kit reach a rather high number. The result is that we could buy those cool GMK novelty keys at pretty low price. The reason is that massdrop has super large potential customers
In the other hand, JTK has 50 or so MOQ and has never open GB on plant form such as mass drop. Recently exception is the 5 Fun JTK keys on MD. Actually, the lower purchase amount boost the cost of novelty keys.
I don't know exactly how much will be lowered, but the cost will decrease deeply at the same number as GMK carbon, nautilus and laser's novelty's high purchase amount.

[Vala]

Any estimate as to how much that extras kit may cost?  Novelty pricing is pretty much an unknown with JTK so I'm just curious. 

Also would it be possible to add topre spacebars?  The JTK Sophomore GB had cherry profile topre spacebars to match all the sets, though I am not sure if those were actually made by JTK or someone else.

Any reason for JTK over GMK? I love JTK, but GMK's novelty pricing is much cheaper.

I know this may be too early for this question but have you brainstormed pricing with JTK/ZF at all? Namely the novelties seeing as JTK's moulds are a ton more expensive than GMK ones are nowadays, I wonder how economically feasible such a huge kit would be; just curious as to me that's such an integral part of Hana.

Edit: beaten to the punch it seems!

The extras kit price shouldn't be too unreasonable. I will try to get a ball park figure and I'll post that as soon as possible to confirm.

Does this use exactly same color as SP?

Yes. (RCJ, RCS, WFK)

Ohhhhhhhhh niiiiiceeee


Wait, are there really 2 types of 2u Ctrl? I think just pick one and better give the other more neutral  legend like Super and Meta (or Command, sorry I have to say this as a macOS user eventho it is OS spesific)

That is just JTK's default base kit. I don't think it would have much impact either way.

I do think that GMK could be a nice possibility considering the popularity of Hana. I also would like to suggest and ask if it would be possible to switch the box-arrow 1.5u Backspace to a regular Backspace arrow? I've wanted to see if JTK would be able to push for a new mold with that particular change. It's not a dealbreaker, but I think the regular backspace icon is superior to the box arrow.

I like GMK as well, but I'm all for competition and JTK is coming to the market with great (and increasing) quality and low prices. Availability and shipping times with GMK is also becoming more and more limited a la Signature Plastics, so it just doesn't make as much sense in my eyes.

JTK is the final choice for this round of Hana. Maybe GMK will be a thing one day, but no promises.

[Vala]

quick clarification : the high cost for JT novelty key is due to low purchase amount in comparison with GMK . If at the same purchase amount with GMK, the cost for JT novelty key  sharply decreased

Can they do $175 a pop with realistic numbers? It appears GMK drastically reduced their mould costs to like 150€ because of some new equipment they bought.

If you are worried about more than $175 a pop, then you shouldn't be worried

[Vala]

I will try to get a ball park figure and I'll post that as soon as possible to confirm.

Around $50 is a reasonable estimate for the extras kit in its current state (don't come yelling if it ends up higher/lower).

So total set cost would be around $140 give or take.

Reasonable?

[keylabskeycaps]

This is awesome! Really excited to see where it ends up.

[get_weird]

I will try to get a ball park figure and I'll post that as soon as possible to confirm.

Around $50 is a reasonable estimate for the extras kit in its current state (don't come yelling if it ends up higher/lower).

So total set cost would be around $140 give or take.

Reasonable?

$140 for both the base kit and the extras? That's a beautiful price!

[lovetree]

Oh, man,
I thought I got enough cherry profile sets but...this forces me definitely in.
Hope to see it real soon. 

[lee jeong woo]

Is it sold at https://en.zfrontier.com?

[bciamny]

i have dsa hana and absolutely love it. i don't like cherry and i'd still buy this .

and just to be THAT person... sa hana would be nice too.

[Vala]

Is it sold at https://en.zfrontier.com?

It will be, yes.

[young_won]

  I want Matcha Kit

[ptiede]

I'm 100% in for this

[tanvir175]

Oh
****
Yes

[megaforce]

Shame such a high-caliber set is going to JTK and not GMK.

Feels like getting a Dreamcast when you wanted a N64.

Oh well.

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[Gajible]

What is wrong with JTK?

They have flawless legends!

[allancuttingedge]

A little disappointed that HANA will run on JTK but not GMK, but still I'm 100% in it.
The novelties are awesome as DSA set, but have u decided to make a green tea kit or not? That is a soul kit as the pink modifiers IMO...
I'll definitely keep an eye on it  )

[kokugatsu]

Prefer GMK, but I'd probably still join this round.

[mudcakehoney]

I’m in for sure, was broke when Hana dropped this makes me feel better for missing it

[ptiede]

What is wrong with JTK?

They have flawless legends!

Apparently they are fixing the legends for aqua. I guess we will see soon if that's true.

[ppp]

As long as the colors are accurate with what I expect from Hana, +1

[oh_chesteroni]

Macha kit macha kit macha kit
I'm in.

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[megaforce]

What is wrong with JTK?

They have flawless legends!

Apparently they are fixing the legends for aqua. I guess we will see soon if that's true.

They also said that about every keyset lmao

[friglesnart]

Praying aqua comes out well so I don't have wait x more years for this to be ran through GMK.

[megaforce]

Praying aqua comes out well so I don't have wait x more years for this to be ran through GMK.

Or you know, just use a manufacture that outputs proven, quality results the first time rather than using a 3rd-rate manufacture.

[donutcat]

Excited for this awesome colorway being available in a sculpted profile. I am among those that would prefer paying the premium for GMK in order to get a quality product, but at the same time it won't bother me horribly much to get it in JTK since I'm just excited for the colorway being available.

[Arhipio]

+1 for macha kit and split spacebar pack. 2.75 1.25 and 2.25

[emenelopee]

I don't have the historical context to Hana - is this a big set to be coming out? What is the theme/concept on the set?

[Arhipio]

Excited for this awesome colorway being available in a sculpted profile. I am among those that would prefer paying the premium for GMK in order to get a quality product, but at the same time it won't bother me horribly much to get it in JTK since I'm just excited for the colorway being available.

I agree with gmk, but I don't mind jtk either.

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[xondat]

Interested but concerned about the legends.

Is a test set a possibility to confirm the fixed legends? It's been promised a lot, and nothing has changed.

[PotatoTM]

I'm in depending on price

[The_judge_168]

Think I'll be in though prefer GMK as well. Would also be interested in the Matcha set

[tanvir175]

Since everyone is saying it, I would also prefer GMK. I'm in either way, though.

[ns90]

I'm pretty sure our opinions have no merit at this point, since it seems it's been decided, but I'd be all in for a GMK run. I think it would get some decent numbers too. There's been enough hype about Cherry profile Hana.

[LightningXI]

I don't have the historical context to Hana - is this a big set to be coming out? What is the theme/concept on the set?

It was first conceived by Vala (OP) in 2015 and was manufactured by Signature Plastics [SP] in the DSA profile. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74553.0

It's been a widely popular set for its use of pink and lilac colors, as well as its novelties of Japanese prefectures' and cultural symbols and its variety of kits. Fans and prospective buyers of this set, including myself, have been waiting for this set to be manufactured in the Cherry profile (manufactured by companies such as GMK and JTK in double-shot ABS plastic).

The discussion here is that a lot of the people who have been waiting for the making of this set in the Cherry profile would prefer the kit to be manufactured by GMK over JTK. GMK has had proven positive results over the past couple of years, and JTK, although still a viable choice for thick ABS doubleshot keycaps, has had some issues with concerns such as legend consistency and alignment.

I, for one, would also prefer to pay the premium for the set to be produced, for the first time in Cherry profile, by GMK/Uniqey, but it really is up to the OP to decide that and I would still support a JTK set if that were the only option.

[joelfong]

Would love some green keys in the novelties kit. Lack of green accents is a deal breaker for me.

[Zuology]

Interested but concerned about the legends.

Is a test set a possibility to confirm the fixed legends? It's been promised a lot, and nothing has changed.

I think JTK is much like MAXKEY, in that they claimed legends would be fixed many times but it had to be seen to believed. Based on a few posts about new JTK projects, Aqua is supposed to be the first of the sets with fixed legends. That being said, I bought into JTK Aqua with great hope that they truly meant that, so TBD...

[Puddsy]

Interested but concerned about the legends.

Is a test set a possibility to confirm the fixed legends? It's been promised a lot, and nothing has changed.

test set impossible right now, they're still working on the molds

we shall see

[Vala]

Would love some green keys in the novelties kit. Lack of green accents is a deal breaker for me.

To all of those requesting the green keys, I'm going to try to move some keys around the extras kit (most likely remove some) in order to get Matcha back. I guess I under estimated how much people liked that part of the set originally (it came from a suggestion in the IC after all).

[Arhipio]

Would love some green keys in the novelties kit. Lack of green accents is a deal breaker for me.

To all of those requesting the green keys, I'm going to try to move some keys around the extras kit (most likely remove some) in order to get Matcha back. I guess I under estimated how much people liked that part of the set originally (it came from a suggestion in the IC after all).

Yay!

[TheIronCore]

Im in, can't afford anymore gmk sets

[audax989]

I'm down.

[BlackInk]

Why not GMK?

[jihadu]

I'm guessing pricing plus faster manu times.

[tanvir175]

I'm guessing pricing plus faster manu times.

This is most likely the reason. The original DSA Hana drop was around $55 for the base kit which had standard TKL coverage. I wouldn't mind paying the premium for a more premium set but I'm okay with JTK and hope this does really well.

[Vala]

Matcha keys are added!



I removed the pink F-keys as I don't think they are in great demand, and its better to keep cost down.
Please let me know what you think.

Also, for those concerned about JTK's quality, he has actually been working on legends, and from what I've seen they look good.

[xondat]

Not regarding the kit updates, but will you send the DSA color chips and they'll be color matched?

[Vala]

Not regarding the kit updates, but will you send the DSA color chips and they'll be color matched?

I'm not sure if I'll be sending them personally, but it will be color matched to the original.

[zF_ScrambledEggz]

 

Loving those green accents! Really make this set pop off!

[The_judge_168]

Glad to see green keys added, looks good!

[azulyf]

Saw on zf Chinese site that this GB will starts in May. Any confirmation here?

[Vala]

Saw on zf Chinese site that this GB will starts in May. Any confirmation here?

I can confirm, perhaps sooner as well

Also, as per the request of people in the Chinese community, I added bamboo enter novelties back. Wasn't sure if people wanted them or not.

[donutcat]

I can confirm, perhaps sooner as well

Hooo boy, and here I was having to argue with myself about buying it in DSA, I can definitely wait if it's going to be happening this soon.

[joelfong]

Matcha keys are added!

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I removed the pink F-keys as I don't think they are in great demand, and its better to keep cost down.
Please let me know what you think.

Also, for those concerned about JTK's quality, he has actually been working on legends, and from what I've seen they look good.

Looks great! Looking forward to the GB. (:

[LightningXI]

Matcha keys are added!

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I removed the pink F-keys as I don't think they are in great demand, and its better to keep cost down.
Please let me know what you think.

Also, for those concerned about JTK's quality, he has actually been working on legends, and from what I've seen they look good.

Do wish we had a uniform color F-row frankly, but I know it's not popular.

[Baron]

will this be the same exact color codes for plastic as the DSA set?

im really looking forward to the discord watster matching perfectly

[Puddsy]

will this be the same exact color codes for plastic as the DSA set?

im really looking forward to the discord watster matching perfectly

he's said elsewhere that JTK will colormatch to the SP color chips

[Vala]

will this be the same exact color codes for plastic as the DSA set?

im really looking forward to the discord watster matching perfectly

will this be the same exact color codes for plastic as the DSA set?

im really looking forward to the discord watster matching perfectly

he's said elsewhere that JTK will colormatch to the SP color chips

You are correct, zFrontier is providing JTK with the correct color chips.

*

Also happy to announce the kits have been finalized, check the OP for the new renders. Final price will be approx. $138 per set by zFrontier, with the GB launching in the very near future.

[dantambok]

Just want to clear something out... Will JTK fix their legends? (inconsistent thickness)

[Puddsy]

Just want to clear something out... Will JTK fix their legends? (inconsistent thickness)

i've seen pics of the new ones, and they're SO MUCH better than the old ones

but they're still working on it, you'll see it when it's done

[Vala]

Just want to clear something out... Will JTK fix their legends? (inconsistent thickness)

i've seen pics of the new ones, and they're SO MUCH better than the old ones

but they're still working on it, you'll see it when it's done

What he said. I've been seeing pics from JTK personally and they look great.

[Photoelectric]

Sorry if this has been discussed and explained already (either here or in the DSA GB), but why the asymmetry in novelty legends for the winkeyless layouts (1.5u modifiers)?



I've added a color-coded outline of what I mean.  For example, you can see that there are 2 1.25u lotus caps in each color, which can be used for either Alt or Ctrl on both sides of the spacebar.  There's 1 1.25u flower legend, to replace the Menu key to the right of the spacebar in winkey layout.  However in 1.5u size, there's only only 1 of each kind of legend in each colorway.  That means there's going to be a weird asymmetry, if we are to use each legend for a different cap (like Lotus for Alt and Flower for Ctrl), or else if we just follow the color symmetry, it means that one Alt (for example) will be a lotus, and the other will be a flower.  Hopefully I've explained it well enough...

Would it make more sense to just make all 1.5u with lotus design in some colorways and with flower design in other colorways?  Like say both 1.5u in lavender and green could be Lotus, both 1.5u in pink colorway could be Flower?

ETA: I'm most likely going to join the GB, funds permitting.

[Vala]

Sorry if this has been discussed and explained already (either here or in the DSA GB), but why the asymmetry in novelty legends for the winkeyless layouts (1.5u modifiers)?

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I've added a color-coded outline of what I mean.  For example, you can see that there are 2 1.25u lotus caps in each color, which can be used for either Alt or Ctrl on both sides of the spacebar.  There's 1 1.25u flower legend, to replace the Menu key to the right of the spacebar in winkey layout.  However in 1.5u size, there's only only 1 of each kind of legend in each colorway.  That means there's going to be a weird asymmetry, if we are to use each legend for a different cap (like Lotus for Alt and Flower for Ctrl), or else if we just follow the color symmetry, it means that one Alt (for example) will be a lotus, and the other will be a flower.  Hopefully I've explained it well enough...

Would it make more sense to just make all 1.5u with lotus design in some colorways and with flower design in other colorways?  Like say both 1.5u in lavender and green could be Lotus, both 1.5u in pink colorway could be Flower?

ETA: I'm most likely going to join the GB, funds permitting.

This is because of the difference in the bottom row between WK and WK.
For WK, the intended layout is to have the lotus on the left, and then the lotus and flower on the right.

Because WKL doesn't have 4 keys on the right, I assumed only 1 would be used per side, meaning there would only need to be alternating novelties (lotus on left, flower on right). I guess I didn't consider the case where people would want the same on both sides.

[avid]

this would be amazing in GMK.

[chuckdee]

Probably in... just looking at PMK in DSA, and it's just so expensive there- 177 for just a full sized keyboard with no novelties.  This seems like a much better buy.

[Sup]

I am sorry but i am not really excited for this set since it really resemble JTK purple on white to much. I would like to have seen something really pop like they did with JTK Photo studio.

[Photoelectric]

This is because of the difference in the bottom row between WK and WK.
For WK, the intended layout is to have the lotus on the left, and then the lotus and flower on the right.

Because WKL doesn't have 4 keys on the right, I assumed only 1 would be used per side, meaning there would only need to be alternating novelties (lotus on left, flower on right). I guess I didn't consider the case where people would want the same on both sides.

Okay, nevermind, I don't want to complicate it (though I will PM you a photoshop mock-up of what I mean, for reference).  Side question: is it intentional to have 3 1u Windows caps in the base set?

[tanvir175]

https://en.zfrontier.com/products/jtk-hana?variant=12261887082574

GB is live. Much sooner than I expected.

[The_judge_168]

https://en.zfrontier.com/products/jtk-hana?variant=12261887082574

GB is live. Much sooner than I expected.

Yeah looks like it runs until May 27th so good amount of time open

[oh_chesteroni]

Any price drops at higher MOQ?

[Vala]

https://en.zfrontier.com/products/jtk-hana?variant=12261887082574

GB is live. Much sooner than I expected.

Much sooner than I expected as well!

Any price drops at higher MOQ?

No, 136 for both is already the lowest possible price (which took a good deal of sacrifice on JTK's part).
But, for the amount of keys you're getting it's a pretty insane price imo.

[oh_chesteroni]

Any price drops at higher MOQ?

No, 136 for both is already the lowest possible price (which took a good deal of sacrifice on JTK's part).
But, for the amount of keys you're getting it's a pretty insane price imo.

Yeah, definitely a good price. Just wondering if it gets any better

[Photoelectric]

Group buy thread has been approved and is located here for further discussion: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95362
Locking this Interest Check thread.