[IC] GMK Red Alert - March 5 to April 9, 2021 on Mechs & Co 🔴🟤

[LightningXI]

Seconding Lightning's point to include two (2) R5 Cherry keys in place of both Supers.

Also, Out and Read kind of a waste and ruin it for 65% users.

Now that Pluto mentions it, I agree. A 65%/75% right-side column would normally be:

R1 Home
R2 Pg Up
R3 Pg Dn
R4 End
(R5 right arrow key)

and I believe the Pg Up and Pg Dn keys are not being included at the moment with the current base kit. Is this a mistake? In any case, this is not how it should be if the R4 End is to be offered. Forcing a "novelty" such as Data and Out is a no-no, IMO. It's not cool. Put those in the Extension kit, or rid of them; that would be my move.

[konstantin]

Seconding Lightning's point to include two (2) R5 Cherry keys in place of both Supers.

Also, Out and Read kind of a waste and ruin it for 65% users.

Now that Pluto mentions it, I agree. A 65%/75% right-side column would normally be:

R1 Home
R2 Pg Up
R3 Pg Dn
R4 End
(R5 right arrow key)

and I believe the Pg Up and Pg Dn keys are not being included at the moment with the current base kit. Is this a mistake? In any case, this is not how it should be if the R4 End is to be offered. Forcing a "novelty" such as Data and Out is a no-no, IMO. It's not cool. Put those in the Extension kit, or rid of them; that would be my move.

It's not a mistake, it's by design. This post outlines the reasoning behind this particular legend choice.

Changing those keys back to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and adding two extra keys for ortho boards to the extension kit would be the “default” move, and it's totally fine if that's what people prefer. The only thing is that a balance needs to be struck between satisfying 65%/75% users (they are among the most popular layouts in the community, after all) on the one hand, and not making the extension kit too large on the other.

Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.

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Thanks for the discussion, folks. Going to take a few days to think about this and get back to you all. My first impression is that 40s and ortho users will require the extension kit anyway, so I might just move all support there. Have to think about it a bit more.

[Orca Builds]

nice im in

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I don't have a full response to the prior feedback yet, but I'm happy to announce that GMK Red Alert will be running during March 2021, with Mechs & Co managing the group buy in the US. The full list of vendors is

US - Mechs & Co
SEA - Monokei
CA - DeskHero
EU - MyKeyboard.eu
AU - Daily Clack

I'm very excited to work with the Mechs & Co team to bring this set to you all - they are a stand-up group of people committed to serving their customers and supporting designers.

You all can expect more news soon on deskmats, aluminum artisans, and finally kit pricing.

[Wilba]

Changing those keys back to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and adding two extra keys for ortho boards to the extension kit would be the “default” move, and it's totally fine if that's what people prefer. The only thing is that a balance needs to be struck between satisfying 65%/75% users (they are among the most popular layouts in the community, after all) on the one hand, and not making the extension kit too large on the other.

It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.

Seriously, what does "Out" and "Data" mean anyway? Why are they any more meaninful for an ortholinear user than "PgUp" and "PgDn"? Do they really need something meaningless to remember those keys aren't acutally PgUp or PgDn?

If this was a set I didn't care about, I wouldn't bother posting at all, but this is Red Alert, something I've wanted for a while, and the first image in the first post being used to promote the set is the keyboard I worked on, showing Home/PgUp/PgDn/End as per the de facto standard.

[ttom]

Not a 65% user (as of now) but just posting because I am very much looking forward to this and share the sentiment about 'Out' and 'Data' looking a bit silly.

Also regarding the extension kit, I'd recommend adding another R5 Cherry and changing the 1.75 bar to a single 1.00u one (for Alice layouts). 3.00u is welcome too but not essential in my opinion.

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Changing those keys back to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and adding two extra keys for ortho boards to the extension kit would be the “default” move, and it's totally fine if that's what people prefer. The only thing is that a balance needs to be struck between satisfying 65%/75% users (they are among the most popular layouts in the community, after all) on the one hand, and not making the extension kit too large on the other.

It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.

Seriously, what does "Out" and "Data" mean anyway? Why are they any more meaninful for an ortholinear user than "PgUp" and "PgDn"? Do they really need something meaningless to remember those keys aren't acutally PgUp or PgDn?

If this was a set I didn't care about, I wouldn't bother posting at all, but this is Red Alert, something I've wanted for a while, and the first image in the first post being used to promote the set is the keyboard I worked on, showing Home/PgUp/PgDn/End as per the de facto standard.

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Not a 65% user (as of now) but just posting because I am very much looking forward to this and share the sentiment about 'Out' and 'Data' looking a bit silly.

Also regarding the extension kit, I'd recommend adding another R5 Cherry and changing the 1.75 bar to a single 1.00u one (for Alice layouts). 3.00u is welcome too but not essential in my opinion.

I apologize for being quiet on this issue, as I wanted to collect a bit more info on 40s users needs. That said, I plan to move Out and Data to the Extension kit (which 40s users require anyway), and restore the Page Up / Page Down legends for 65% users.

I added "Out" and "Data" months ago with the intention of offering an omnibus base kit - with nice 40s and split space support - in lieu of an Extension kit. Now that we have an Extension kit, though, I'll use it.

The other changes I'm currently considering:

Replace 1.75u space with 2x 1u space.

People need these for Alice boards and ortho boards. People do not typically use 1.75u space. Easy.

Drop R5 Cherry.

Don't love the placement of this, and now I want to minimize the cost of the extension kit.

"Scroll" remaining as-is.

I went this route because I really like the fully-spelled "Page Up" and "Page Down" of GMK ASCII and GMK Nuclear Data. To offer OG-style legends, I would have to change Print to PrtSc, which I do not love. So Print, Scroll and Pause will remain as-is in row 1 for visual consistency.

[LightningXI]

 Good news on the changes.

Too bad about the 2x 1u R5 Cherry caps. Those would have been the first time we see bottom-row Cherry caps in beige again since BSP/Hammer did it.

And the first time in doubleshot form for GMK.

[konstantin]

It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.

Just going off of what we've been seeing in various ICs and sets over the past year, the last part is not correct. Hence:

Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that R2 Out, R3 Data shouldn't be changed to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn; that change is totally fine and I support it. What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.

[wholypantalones]

The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.

[konstantin]

The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.

Additionally, single-line Scroll also conflicts with two-line Num↲Lock and stepped Caps↲Lock (or vice-versa).

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The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.

I'm embarrassed - I gave too much thought to Base and not enough to Extension. Thanks for catching this - I'll update the Extension kit.

The two line scroll lock led cap doesn't maintain your visual consistency I'm afraid.

Additionally, single-line Scroll also conflicts with two-line Num↲Lock and stepped Caps↲Lock (or vice-versa).

Apologies for not being precise here - I was thinking of top-row consistency. Num Lock and Caps Lock sit on different rows than Scroll Lock.

[Wilba]

It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.

Just going off of what we've been seeing in various ICs and sets over the past year, the last part is not correct. Hence:

Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that R2 Out, R3 Data shouldn't be changed to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn; that change is totally fine and I support it. What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.

Just going off the GMK sets running right now, 8 out of 9 have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End in the base kit. 15/15 of the last GMK sets to run have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End.

[konstantin]

It's taken years for Home/PgUp/PgDn/End to be a somewhat standard of minimal 65% support in base kits. It may not be what every 65% user prefers, or uses on those keys, but at least it's what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is.

Just going off of what we've been seeing in various ICs and sets over the past year, the last part is not correct. Hence:

Also, the right column setup you posted has lost favor over the years (especially in recent times), and is no longer the de facto standard setup, and maybe not even statistically the most popular setup in the community anymore.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that R2 Out, R3 Data shouldn't be changed to R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn; that change is totally fine and I support it. What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.

Just going off the GMK sets running right now, 8 out of 9 have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End in the base kit. 15/15 of the last GMK sets to run have Home/PgUp/PgDn/End.

Of course they do, that's besides the point. Out of those sets, 7/9 and 12/15, respectively, also have */*/PgUp/PgDn, which is the other popular configuration. People complain if this configuration isn't also supported, which was part of the point of my previous post.
The other part was that Home/PgUp/PgDn/End has lost its foothold over time and can no longer definitively be called the de facto standard or the setup that's preferred by the majority of users. This is for a number of reasons, among others the popularity of the Drop ALT introducing people into the hobby, and the popularity of 65% boards with badges or blockers in the top right corner.

[LightningXI]

How many of these sets do you even buy, anyhow?

It seems absurd to me that you are arguing semantics over here when it's apparent that the majority of sets have gotten to support the right column support that most have gotten used to. I have dozens of sets to prove it. There's renders of each set on the github website that matrixzj and others compiled.

Do you use a 65%? Do you purchase each one of these sets that you so fervently provide commentary of?

There are far fewer 65% boards with corner blockers, too, than there are standard ones.

[Wilba]

How many of these sets do you even buy, anyhow?

It seems absurd to me that you are arguing semantics over here when it's apparent that the majority of sets have gotten to support the right column support that most have gotten used to. I have dozens of sets to prove it. There's renders of each set on the github website that matrixzj and others compiled.

Do you use a 65%? Do you purchase each one of these sets that you so fervently provide commentary of?

There are far fewer 65% boards with corner blockers, too, than there are standard ones.

Yes.

[konstantin]

How many of these sets do you even buy, anyhow?

It seems absurd to me that you are arguing semantics over here when it's apparent that the majority of sets have gotten to support the right column support that most have gotten used to. I have dozens of sets to prove it. There's renders of each set on the github website that matrixzj and others compiled.

Do you use a 65%? Do you purchase these sets that you so fervently provide commentary of?

There are far fewer 65% boards with corner blockers, too, than there are standard ones.

It is indisputable that the majority of sets in the past have gotten to support that right column (and new sets still continue to do so), but one also has to keep in mind that the needs and preferences of the community as a whole change and evolve over time. Keysets are playing the catch up game here, and it takes time for the status quo to shift. Case in point: F13, Alice keys, small spacekeys, Mac bottom row keys, different 65% right column setups, and so on. The rise in popularity of these things is also something that's indisputable, and can be inferred by taking a look at kit renders on the site you mentioned.

To answer your questions, yes and yes.

What are we even arguing about here?

[Zambumon]

- R1 Home, R2 Page Up, R3 Page Down, R4 End are OK, commonly used and have become a standard de facto that we can trace back to the very firsts 65% and 75% keyboards.

- If we are going with generics: fully commit and do the whole 65% strip generic. Having two navigation keys and two generics is jarring.

- If you are including an Alt Gr key on the base kit, include the tertiary legends for the UK ISO layout.

- If we are trying to be faithful to the original GMK set, it used broken pipe keys (¦), which I personally like more. There are other subtle differences with that one but I don't mind them.

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- R1 Home, R2 Page Up, R3 Page Down, R4 End are OK, commonly used and have become a standard de facto that we can trace back to the very firsts 65% and 75% keyboards.

- If we are going with generics: fully commit and do the whole 65% strip generic. Having two navigation keys and two generics is jarring.

- If you are including an Alt Gr key on the base kit, include the tertiary legends for the UK ISO layout.

- If we are trying to be faithful to the original GMK set, it used broken pipe keys (¦), which I personally like more. There are other subtle differences with that one but I don't mind them.

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Great point, Zambumon - I forgot my original intention to reference Photekq's legends from the 2012 GMK release (the reason I kept the numpad sub-legends). The Olivetti base kit is below; the RA kitting is the same, but I can't find a higher-quality image (the RA kit pic is dead on Photekq's thread).

I'm considering two things

- matching these legends 1:1, and
- whether different pipes (broken in base, solid in Cyrillic) bother me enough to go for set consistency over historical accuracy

So I'm doing my day job thing, but promise you all an update on this over the weekend.

[ttom]

I'm considering two things

- matching these legends 1:1, and
- whether different pipes (broken in base, solid in Cyrillic) bother me enough to go for set consistency over historical accuracy

There's been a lot of discussion about the rest of the set so I won't comment any more on that, but regarding that last point there's nothing stopping you making a broken bar mould for Cyrillic. The one I'm making will be full, but having more options for a language won't hurt by any means, and over an MOQ of 100 orders that cost for 1 mould is so minimal it won't make too much of a difference.

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I'm considering two things

- matching these legends 1:1, and
- whether different pipes (broken in base, solid in Cyrillic) bother me enough to go for set consistency over historical accuracy

There's been a lot of discussion about the rest of the set so I won't comment any more on that, but regarding that last point there's nothing stopping you making a broken bar mould for Cyrillic. The one I'm making will be full, but having more options for a language won't hurt by any means, and over an MOQ of 100 orders that cost for 1 mould is so minimal it won't make too much of a difference.

Great call Tom.

[konstantin]

- If you are including an Alt Gr key on the base kit, include the tertiary legends for the UK ISO layout.

- If we are trying to be faithful to the original GMK set, it used broken pipe keys (¦), which I personally like more. There are other subtle differences with that one but I don't mind them.

Unfortunately, these two things do not go together. The `¬¦ key has a ¦ tertiary legend, which would conflict with the ¦ on the \¦ keys since these positions produce different characters.
You could do `¬|, but:

• I'm not sure if that mold exists (it might); and
• you would be misrepresenting how both of those keys work on modern systems.

“Modern” in this case means “anything since the early '90s”, i.e. anything since VGA started being phased out in favor of different standalone GPUs in PCs (because ¦ was hardcoded in VGA's default character set, and that's the last time it saw any significant use in place of |).

I agree with adding sublegends to the UK keys, but at that point it's 5 extra keys (because of the additional 4$€) in base that honestly benefit only a very small number of people. According to some community stats from earlier this year, people who use ISO-UK keys only make up around 2.6% of all users (about 40% of UK users use ANSI). I think you'd get more mileage out of putting any of the following keys: 2.25u Shift, 1.5u Super keys, F13, spacekeys; in base instead of those keys.
I'd like to reiterate that ISO-UK keys should be moved to the extension kit — in which case, sure, the tertiary legends should be added.

I would recommend going with \| (and optionally `¬¦) instead of \¦, for purely practical reasons and for consistency. However, it has to be said that both the original DCS Red Alert set and the first GMK Red Alert run used \¦, so if you're looking to pay homage to those sets (which it seems you are), then you may want to go with that.
Then again, this is a new set with new colors and new kitting, so I think that new, more modern/accurate legends wouldn't be bad, either

Edit: Here's a fun video from Nostalgia Nerd that covers the topic of | vs ¦ in detail.

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Apologies for not responding sooner, it has been a hectic time at work. I expect to slow down in activity through the end of 2020 as work continues picking up, but do not anticipate delaying either of my group buys.

Here’s what I propose, after spending time thinking about the above discussion:

Use broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\.

This seems like the most historically consistent approach, given the presence of UK-ISO in the base kit. The broken vertical legend on R2 is an interesting historical artifact, but will take this opportunity to offer a solid bar in that position instead.

Add 4$€ to base kit.

This preserves consistency with Alt Gr and other recent kits (Nuke Data, Dolch) offering UK-ISO support in base.

Replace 1.75u Space with 2x 1u space in Extension.

This adds some more support for split and 40s layouts.

Add second R5 Cherry to Extension.

These are generally useful, and provide nice alternatives to 1u Super/Ctrl/Alt in R5. You can also add them to OG sets for a pop of color. Ortho users can also rely on these for layers.

Scroll legend remains as-is, and will be fixed in Extension.

I prefer single line consistency in this section of my TKL, so that’s what I’ll offer.

Curious for thoughts around the 2nd 1u spacebar and 2nd R5 Cherry, but I feel as though folks interested in this set will appreciate these changes, since it runs so infrequently.

[LightningXI]

Apologies for not responding sooner, it has been a hectic time at work. I expect to slow down in activity through the end of 2020 as work continues picking up, but do not anticipate delaying either of my group buys.

Here’s what I propose, after spending time thinking about the above discussion:

Use broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\.

This seems like the most historically consistent approach, given the presence of UK-ISO in the base kit. The broken vertical legend on R2 is an interesting historical artifact, but will take this opportunity to offer a solid bar in that position instead.

Add 4$€ to base kit.

This preserves consistency with Alt Gr and other recent kits (Nuke Data, Dolch) offering UK-ISO support in base.

Replace 1.75u Space with 2x 1u space in Extension.

This adds some more support for split and 40s layouts.

Add second R5 Cherry to Extension.

These are generally useful, and provide nice alternatives to 1u Super/Ctrl/Alt in R5. You can also add them to OG sets for a pop of color. Ortho users can also rely on these for layers.

Scroll legend remains as-is, and will be fixed in Extension.

I prefer single line consistency in this section of my TKL, so that’s what I’ll offer.

Curious for thoughts around the 2nd 1u spacebar and 2nd R5 Cherry, but I feel as though folks interested in this set will appreciate these changes, since it runs so infrequently.

I like all of these changes, personally!!!

The second R5 Cherry is a godsend.

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I like all of these changes, personally!!!

The second R5 Cherry is a godsend.

Thanks man! The changes will bump the price a little bit, but I feel as though people will be happy on net with what their extra couple of $/€/£/¥ provides them. Especially the 2x🍒.

[depletedvespene]

What I'm saying is that, relatively speaking, Home/PgUp/PgDn/End isn't as popular as it used to be, and calling it a de facto standard setup nowadays is questionable.

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Respect the HUDE.

[depletedvespene]

Curious for thoughts around the 2nd 1u spacebar and 2nd R5 Cherry, but I feel as though folks interested in this set will appreciate these changes, since it runs so infrequently.

Yes to both, specially the 2nd Cherry keycap — it'll allow placing Cherry novelties without looking out of place, as Super/Win/Lose replacements (and, actually, same goes for the 1U space bars, to get the "unbranded" look).

[ramnes]

Definitely interested in a rerun of this classic set!

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Aluminum artisans have been approved by all relevant parties. You'll see them soon.

Next up: deskmats and banderole!

[SmoothFaces]

OMG nice colors 

[Kinesiologist]

Is it too late now to add in an "F13" key?

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Is it too late now to add in an "F13" key?

Nope! It’s in the extension kit.

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I’ve been turning this question over in my head for a few days, after seeing some conflicting pictures: do prior versions of GMK Red Alert have U9 or CP legends on the accents? Have seen both pictures and renders suggesting both, and I cannot access a set myself to confirm.


Thanks to help from Pwner I've confirmed the set has run with both CP and U9 accent legends in the past. I'll leave everything as-is here - the U9-on-P3 legends will lack contrast, and the OG numrow will look too muddled.

[LightningXI]

I’ve been turning this question over in my head for a few days, after seeing some conflicting pictures: do prior versions of GMK Red Alert have U9 or CP legends on the accents? Have seen both pictures and renders suggesting both, and I cannot access a set myself to confirm.


Thanks to help from Pwner I've confirmed the set has run with both CP and U9 accent legends in the past. I'll leave everything as-is here - the U9-on-P3 legends will lack contrast, and the OG numrow will look too muddled.

Still very amped about this set

[Slayer77]

Add OG numbers to base kit please.

[forevermadrigal]

Might wanna add an extra b in that cyrillics kit

[bliss]

Add second R5 Cherry to Extension.

These are generally useful, and provide nice alternatives to 1u Super/Ctrl/Alt in R5. You can also add them to OG sets for a pop of color. Ortho users can also rely on these for layers.

^ +1 That will be awesome, I was looking for a way to fill the bottom row of a win-keyed 1800 that requires 7x 1u other than getting two Extension kits

Absolutely love P3, numpad sublegends, R5, Cyrillic, the inclusion of a 6.00 w/ offset, and of course the Cherry novelties.

Thanks for bringing this, very tempted!

[LightningXI]

Might wanna add an extra b in that cyrillics kit

Oh yeah this is a good suggestion

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Hi everyone! It's time for an update on GMK Red Alert.

First, a laundry list of kitting changes

• a second B has been added to the Cyrillic kit (thanks for the suggestion!
• a second R5 Cherry has been added to the Classic Compute set
• the 1.75u spacebar has been replaced with 2x 1u spacebars
• an ISO-UK 4$€ has been added to the base kit
• using a broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\

The "Out" and "Data" changes will happen, I just forgot to request them in the last round of renders. Keep an eye out for them.

Second, I am thrilled to share the two aluminum caps we will offer in collaboration with RAMA. Huge thanks to a handful of people for making this happen:

• Cherry sales and marketing teams, for being extremely patient while I fumble my way through seeking approval for these
• Oblotzky for discussing the aluminum artisan collab process for GMK Dolch R5
• the Mechs & Co team for coordinating with both GMK and Cherry
• Lightning for discussing possible designs
• Kate at Rama Works, who (as most of you other designers know) has legendary levels of patience
• my wife, who developed very strong opinions about vintage computing logos during all of this

The caps:

[LightningXI]

Hi everyone! It's time for an update on GMK Red Alert.

First, a laundry list of kitting changes

• a second B has been added to the Cyrillic kit (thanks for the suggestion!
• a second R5 Cherry has been added to the Classic Compute set
• the 1.75u spacebar has been replaced with 2x 1u spacebars
• an ISO-UK 4$€ has been added to the base kit
• using a broken bar on UK-ISO `, but not 1.5u |\

The "Out" and "Data" changes will happen, I just forgot to request them in the last round of renders. Keep an eye out for them.

Second, I am thrilled to share the two aluminum caps we will offer in collaboration with RAMA. Huge thanks to a handful of people for making this happen:

• Cherry sales and marketing teams, for being extremely patient while I fumble my way through seeking approval for these
• Oblotzky for discussing the aluminum artisan collab process for GMK Dolch R5
• the Mechs & Co team for coordinating with both GMK and Cherry
• Lightning for discussing possible designs
• Kate at Rama Works, who (as most of you other designers know) has legendary levels of patience
• my wife, who developed very strong opinions about vintage computing logos during all of this

The caps:

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wife MVP

I am beyond excited for this set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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wife MVP

I am beyond excited for this set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Showed this to her and she's really feeling your hype She also agreed with Hiney that two cherry logo >> three cherry logo.

[Dafraz117]

Wow great work guys. Those rama caps are stunning.


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[Puddsy]

2021 the year of the classic reruns

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2021 the year of the classic reruns

Seriously, right? Lots of good classics coming back, and that doesn't count Serika right now.

[s0faking]

Can't wait to use these in 2022, but am seriously excited.

[productkun]

I need the Rama's

[zekth]

Sorry but why the extra tab in the cyrillic kit?

[depletedvespene]

Sorry but why the extra tab in the cyrillic kit?

The base kit + Cyrillics kit produces enough "extra keys" to populate a 60% keyboard (... except for the Tab, which is why it's been added to the latter).

[ttom]

good god those cherry artisans are naughty