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Offline westfoxtrot

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[IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:05:40 »
From the ashes rises Phoenix!
Featuring a beautiful curved side profile, Phoenix evokes a feeling of elegant luxury.

The board features a carefully thought out ground-up implementation of a sandwich gasket mounting system. It has been engineered to keep the typing feel not only consistent across the whole board but also make it one of the most pleasant experiences in keyboards.



Photo credit @thinkkwer

TL;DRplease fill in this form

Key Features
  • F13 Tenkeyless layout with ANSI and ISO support
  • Sandwich gasket mount designed for consistency and type feel (poron as default, see below)
  • USB Type-C w/ universal daughterboard support
  • PCB with south facing stabiliser support
  • Semi-seamless design with thin bezels
  • 6.5° typing angle
  • 20.268mm front height (with feet inc 7.8mm high profile) Effective Keyboard Height is 23.173. Details in Additional links
  • Weights: 4kg built with brass base, brass base alone is 3.2kg, alu base is just over 1kg so built with alu base will be approx 2kg
  • That curve

Note about the weights: they are approx due to limited access to precision scales, some private owners measure it at 4.1, some at 3.9 so consider it ~4kg rather than dead on

Group Buy Details
  • Pricing: $499 (Aluminium base) $599 (Brass base) - Pricing is subject to change due to fluctuating raw costs
  • Regional pricing will be added with the group buy post but is expected to mirror the exchange of the USD price above
  • Date: 2022 Feb 1st through to 2022 March 2nd
  • Format: Unlimited (Subject to agreement amongst vendors)

Here is an excellent set of photos by the excellent @thinkkwer

Please consider this post a living document, I am currently in the process of finalising all arrangements with vendors and factories so dates and pricing will be updated as soon as I can.

In testing and amongst the private buy participants I’ve found people tend to prefer poron gaskets so that will be the default gasket material. If we get a sufficient volume of orders I intend to also include a set of silicone gaskets for a slightly firmer feel.
The PCB that comes with the kit will be customised though it is compatible with a.88 PCBs with daughterboard support.
Gaskets and feet are both custom cut for this board, there is a large AliExpress store that sells similar sized feet that will work down the line if you are unable to source your own. Though I will release the files for the gaskets as those are specific for this board.

Options
  • Colors: Dark Red, Silver, or Black
  • WK or WKL top (the PCBs and plates will only support a 7u bottom row unless there’s sufficient interest, please see IC form above)
  • Full brass or aluminium base
  • Plates: Polycarbonate or aluminium, ANSI or ISO
  • The PCB will be a customised version of mechstudio’s mk88 complete with daughterboard and JST cable
  • The board will ship with a hard case
  • Additional plates, PCBs, and gaskets

Vendors
Here is a list of the retailers with their respective prices and regions. There are no regional restrictions outside of where a store can normally ship to, please buy from whichever vendor is best for you! Anything not completed will be updated ASAP

RegionRetailer & LinkRegional priceNotes
Europemykeyboard.euTBD
USAMekiboTBD
CanadaApexKeyboardsTBD
OCEDaily ClackTBD
SingaporeHex KeyboardsTBD
East Asiakibou.storeTBD
IndonesiapluskbTBD
UKKeebCatsTBD

Due to the ongoing complications of the pandemic an exact timeline is hard to nail down, I would be hopeful everything can be manufactured and shipped in around 6-9 months. Though once we have a better idea of the volume of boards it will be easier to get a better timeline to share.

Plate files will be made available in my github plate repository once production files are confirmed.

Here is an exploded view


If you have any questions or comments about the case/pcb/buy etc. please ask here or by any of these contact methods: Reddit, Geekhack, email, discord.
I am most available on discord but will try to get back to you in a reasonable timeframe any way you reach out.

Thank you for your time

– Max

Additional links:
Soundtests pastelink
Github on Effective Keyboard Height

Thanks to:
Private Round buyers for their invaluable feedback
Morgana for an exceptional logo design
Kwerdenker/thinkkwer for being an extremely attractive human being
Lewis Flude for being an S-Tier proofreader
Everyone who was so enthusiastic to see the board come to life
you for reading the thanks section

Edit notes:
added weight to feature list
added EKH
added exploded view
added UK vendor
added pricing
« Last Edit: Sat, 04 December 2021, 05:35:57 by westfoxtrot »

Offline of_sam

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:06:34 »
King ****.
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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:07:17 »
:pogchamfer:

Offline The0rigina1

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:07:36 »
reserved

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:07:47 »
TKL

Offline NRbigfoot

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:08:02 »
Phoenix looks so good Max
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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:08:08 »
Yes

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:09:49 »
Give

Offline Yuray

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:12:11 »
The Swan evolved into a Phoenix. So excited for this!

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:12:41 »
Finally! Good luck with that.

Offline Gvalch_ca

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:13:27 »
Looked at the thread name
Thought that this board will be the same as Prophet and Angel but in TKL size
Saw that it is just an isolation mount board
Disappointment was immeasurable and day was ruined
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Offline goya_dechi

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:15:13 »
IC form filled, can't wait. Best of luck Max!

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:15:37 »
I have been following this on Discord. Happy that IC for it started finally. And thanks for trying to make it unlimited and open for a month. Looking forward to the GB  :thumb:

Offline PeppyToad

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:17:09 »
Let's go ;D

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Offline namidettje

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:20:34 »
Frog TKL , Mr Suit TKL , Angle TKL , Cloudline TKL (and others whom I forgot) and now this.

My wallet can't take this any longer u_u

Pretty interesting, will await for sound tests but looks like a banger!

GLWIC




Offline gautema

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:24:36 »
Finally it’s happening  :cool:

Board of the year for me

Offline westfoxtrot

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:24:51 »
Looked at the thread name
Thought that this board will be the same as Prophet and Angel but in TKL size
Saw that it is just an isolation mount board
Disappointment was immeasurable and day was ruined

turns out I can do more than 1 thing

Frog TKL , Mr Suit TKL , Angle TKL , Cloudline TKL (and others whom I forgot) and now this.

My wallet can't take this any longer u_u

Pretty interesting, will await for sound tests but looks like a banger!

GLWIC





Knew I forgot something, added a sound test section to collect these. Thanks

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:25:14 »
This keyboard ran in July. Should be shipping soon. https://mechvault.net/products/phoenix-keyboard-kit

Phoenix was named after reviving the JD45 layout for the Phoenix45. A lot of people were asking ProjectCain for a premium version. So he ran the Phoenix. Aluminum case with beautiful brass weight. I thought you should know. Gl with gb!

Offline Zeelobby

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:26:46 »
Yoooo, this is it chief. Glad to see the IC drop. Max #1 A-OK

Offline westfoxtrot

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:30:17 »
This keyboard ran in July. Should be shipping soon. https://mechvault.net/products/phoenix-keyboard-kit

Phoenix was named after reviving the JD45 layout for the Phoenix45. A lot of people were asking ProjectCain for a premium version. So he ran the Phoenix. Aluminum case with beautiful brass weight. I thought you should know. Gl with gb!

was not aware of this - thanks for the info!

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[IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:32:11 »
I dont usually like black color, but with brass bottom, black is super nice.

Any chance for half plate option?

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:33:37 »
 :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:44:37 »
UwU

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 09:56:02 »
Max so lit

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 10:02:52 »
Mmm very nice.

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 10:06:12 »
Damn, great job.
Really hope it's unlimited. Would you consider half plate option for this, or is it not possible ?

Offline peaceperfection

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 10:20:05 »
Can't wait for it! Hope it's unlimited similar to Prophet and Angle. Bought almost all of your boards so far!

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 10:30:59 »
I love you Max.

Offline westfoxtrot

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 10:39:46 »
Can't wait for it! Hope it's unlimited similar to Prophet and Angle. Bought almost all of your boards so far!

Thanks for the support <3

Damn, great job.
Really hope it's unlimited. Would you consider half plate option for this, or is it not possible ?

Definitely will, please add it in to the IC form and if there's demand for it I will do my best to accommodate

Offline bert039

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 10:40:38 »
It's cool, man, got red bottoms on
Life is good

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 11:04:43 »
An absolutely beautiful, elegant keyboard by one of the best designers in the hobby. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 11:09:28 »
turns out I can do more than 1 thing

Sure you can. But pin mount TKL would be awesome! Please consider it as you future project.
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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 11:43:23 »
This keyboard ran in July. Should be shipping soon. https://mechvault.net/products/phoenix-keyboard-kit

Phoenix was named after reviving the JD45 layout for the Phoenix45. A lot of people were asking ProjectCain for a premium version. So he ran the Phoenix. Aluminum case with beautiful brass weight. I thought you should know. Gl with gb!

Yeah, although the name isn't copyrighted, I still think it's a bit of a problem to name a keyboard the same as another one that already exists. I hope this one gets renamed so that there won't be any misunderstandings or confusion, but I won't blame the OP since it's obviously just an oversight on their part.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 11:52:23 »
I AM ALL IN!!!

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 13:42:18 »
:eggplant:

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 13:48:41 »
looks very based

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 14:26:11 »
This keyboard ran in July. Should be shipping soon. https://mechvault.net/products/phoenix-keyboard-kit

Phoenix was named after reviving the JD45 layout for the Phoenix45. A lot of people were asking ProjectCain for a premium version. So he ran the Phoenix. Aluminum case with beautiful brass weight. I thought you should know. Gl with gb!

Yeah, although the name isn't copyrighted, I still think it's a bit of a problem to name a keyboard the same as another one that already exists. I hope this one gets renamed so that there won't be any misunderstandings or confusion, but I won't blame the OP since it's obviously just an oversight on their part.

Phoenix (TKL) actually predates Phoenix (40%) by around a year. A private GB ran in February of this year. I can’t foresee any misunderstandings here.

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 15:36:22 »
This keyboard ran in July. Should be shipping soon. https://mechvault.net/products/phoenix-keyboard-kit

Phoenix was named after reviving the JD45 layout for the Phoenix45. A lot of people were asking ProjectCain for a premium version. So he ran the Phoenix. Aluminum case with beautiful brass weight. I thought you should know. Gl with gb!

Yeah, although the name isn't copyrighted, I still think it's a bit of a problem to name a keyboard the same as another one that already exists. I hope this one gets renamed so that there won't be any misunderstandings or confusion, but I won't blame the OP since it's obviously just an oversight on their part.

Phoenix (TKL) actually predates Phoenix (40%) by around a year. A private GB ran in February of this year. I can’t foresee any misunderstandings here.

I think you're forgetting about fabled designer PhoenixStarr here, the inventor of the FRL TKL. I see a very real risk here with regards to people mistaking this keyboard for a person and then being disappointed when the door rings and all they get is a keyboard, and one with an F row at that!

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 15:38:44 »
Keybirb.
The asymmetry on the screwholes are driving me crazy.

Offline westfoxtrot

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 15:46:08 »
Keybirb.
The asymmetry on the screwholes are driving me crazy.

It's very deliberate in order to help the mounting system whilst being able to maintain the overall design language.

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 15:51:40 »
Interested, but I'll have to circle back with feedback once I've digested it. Looks nice on first glance though
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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 15:58:00 »
Very interested! Thank you for trying to make it unlimited

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 16:05:50 »
Keybirb.
The asymmetry on the screwholes are driving me crazy.

It's very deliberate in order to help the mounting system whilst being able to maintain the overall design language.

I understand there's a reason for it. It's a very clean looking board so the asymmetry really sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
Speaking of mounting system, any exploded renders available?

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 17:42:55 »
beautiful and unique, excellent all around ... i've always loved this board's unique silhouette

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 20:46:48 »
yes please, im ready

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 22:48:54 »
beautiful and unique, excellent all around ... i've always loved this board's unique silhouette

Now that you mentioned it I can't unsee it. Is there a way to hide the center screws? Love the bottom of the board but the asymmetry stains it.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 08 October 2021, 23:00:40 »
YAY! I'm so happy! Thank you westfoxtrot for bringing us another wonderful keyboard!


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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 09 October 2021, 05:38:44 »
beautiful and unique, excellent all around ... i've always loved this board's unique silhouette

Now that you mentioned it I can't unsee it. Is there a way to hide the center screws? Love the bottom of the board but the asymmetry stains it.

The screw placement is done in the same way as the TGR Jane V2. This is quite common to fit around board internals.


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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 09 October 2021, 06:46:28 »
man, that back is something else. super clean :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Phoenix - a TKL by Cable Car Designs
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 09 October 2021, 08:12:35 »
This keyboard ran in July. Should be shipping soon. https://mechvault.net/products/phoenix-keyboard-kit

Phoenix was named after reviving the JD45 layout for the Phoenix45. A lot of people were asking ProjectCain for a premium version. So he ran the Phoenix. Aluminum case with beautiful brass weight. I thought you should know. Gl with gb!

Yeah, although the name isn't copyrighted, I still think it's a bit of a problem to name a keyboard the same as another one that already exists. I hope this one gets renamed so that there won't be any misunderstandings or confusion, but I won't blame the OP since it's obviously just an oversight on their part.
You don't think the TKL in the title would've given it away?