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Offline Giorgio

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Silent Cherry g80-3000 in ANSI layout available right now
« on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 03:03:21 »
Review

http://Http://www.tomsguide.com/us/cherry-mx-board-silent,review-4129.html

I suppose that this new version will be pcb mounted, like the old one. This allows infinite customizability and easy repairs.

update 23rd january 2017: This keyboard will be availabe in ANSI layout. The product launch is planned for Q2/2017.

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http://www.cherry.de/cid/press_1813.htm?cpssessionid=SID-402A00F7-54C6AAA3
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 Proven technology meets innovation

Auerbach, 5th January 2017 - CHERRY, the specialist for computer input devices, has unveiled the MX Board Silent at CES 2017. This new keyboard is based on the G80-3000, which has proven itself over the years to be precise as well as reliable. CHERRY combines this product with its new MX Silent switches to create a product that will keep keyboard noise in a hectic office space to an absolute minimum.

Combining G80-3000 with the latest MX technology

The G80-3000 has been one of the most popular mechanical keyboards on the market for decades, having become a true classic. Thanks to a purist feature set, a timeless design and its outstanding precision, the G80-3000 remains a bestseller. To continue its success, CHERRY updated this proven keyboard with the latest MX Silent technology. The result is a straightforward, high-end keyboard, which is ideally suited for even volume-sensitive environments such as large rooms or community offices, enabling silent keystrokes with CHERRYs patented noise reduction technology without giving up on its uncompromising writing performance. Also implemented is “N-Key Rollover” functionality, which allows up to 14 keys to be pressed simultaneously without “ghost” keypress effect.

MX Silent for minimal keyboard noise

The MX Silent-switches have a uniquely shaped rubber pad compared to conventional switches. The integrated 2-component stem reduces audible clicks at the bottom-out and top-out to a minimum. Instead of relying on third-party products, CHERRY relies on a self-developed, innovative solution that preserves the special properties of each individual switch. As with every other MX switch, these features include a sturdy housing made of plastic polymer, a precise spiral spring, and the unique Gold Crosspoint contact technology. This exclusive production process guarantees a precise release and a service life of over 50 million keystrokes.

MX Board Silent available in MX Red or MX Black

The MX Board Silent is offered in two versions, so the consumer can choose between two variants of the noise-reduced MX Silent switches. Both exhibit linear switching characteristics but differ in the required release force: 45 centinewtons for the MX Red Silent and for those who prefer a slightly higher resistance, 60 centinewtons for the MX Black Silent. Like all MX switches, the bounce is less than a millisecond, allowing for precise and instantaneous input.

The MX Board Silent is only available in ANSI layout and colours grey and black for an MSRP of $149.   :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 04:37:24 »
So, MX Silent and in-switch diodes with a "14-key rollover" USB protocol.
I think it would have been nice if they had updated the case design also - there is quite a bit of empty space inside that and it uses a bit of desk space compared to modern keyboards.

I don't know how they count. The regular "boot" protocol for USB keyboards allows for 6 arbitrary keys + a bit for each 8 modifiers. In the community, we call that 6KRO because we count rollover of arbitrary keys.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 05:09:17 »
Ugh, $149. I remember G80-3000 was €60 on Amazon.de a few years ago.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 05:46:15 »
Ugh, $149. I remember G80-3000 was €60 on Amazon.de a few years ago.

You can still find g80-3000 for €70 or even less.
I think that this new version will retail for €100

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 12:31:06 »
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 12:35:01 »
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?
Cherry profile keycaps.
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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 12:47:32 »
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?

The MX Silent version of the Filco Majestouch 2 is only available in ANSI layout, while this Cherry keyboard will be in ISO.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:11:35 »
Yeah, that's what I kinda figured.

I have a pair of the Filcos currently (one black, one white), and so don't really need a Cherry anyway, but I was curious.

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:36:41 »
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?
Cherry profile keycaps.

Are they sourcing their caps from GMK now? Because that would be ironic.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 15:06:21 »
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?
PCB mount, Cherry stabs and presumably thick POM keycaps. You may not prefer this, but I most certainly do.

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 16:00:21 »
I find it difficult to believe this is ISO only unless it's some sort of limited edition.  Cherry is huge in China and I can't see them giving that market up unless they're no longer pursuing the gamer market.

14KRO and NKRO do not belong in the same sentence.  And WTF with only 14 anyway?  I had an i-Rocks rubberdome at one point that had around 21/22KRO.  And I'm pretty sure the QSenn DT35 - another rubberdome - had around 14KRO.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 16:03:15 »
I see.

I don't think I have a preference one way or the other between PCB mount or plate mount. And I don't ever keep the stock keycaps of any keyboard; I mean, that's the whole point of MX switches: to be able to swap the keycaps with something better (i.e., tall and spherical).

Why are Cherry stabs preferable over Costar stabs?

(And dante is right, 14 != N)

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 16:11:17 »
Cherry stabs make swapping caps much more straightforward, and shouldn't ever grind against caps (something that's documented with Costar stabs).

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 17:33:44 »
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?

Everything.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 17:47:27 »
Cherry stabs make swapping caps much more straightforward, and shouldn't ever grind against caps (something that's documented with Costar stabs).

Interesting.

I get the very strong impression that the experts over on DT feel that Costar stabs are far superior to Cherry stabs, despite the "convenience" of not having to deal with inserts with Cherry stabilizers. Is this a YMMV kind of thing?

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 18:01:45 »
Unclipped Cherry stabs may feel a bit mushy to some, but the mod is well documented and quite straightforward. I don't see any benefits to Costar then.

There are many clone stabs floating around, though, and those are lower quality.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 18:05:37 »
Cherry stabs make swapping caps much more straightforward, and shouldn't ever grind against caps (something that's documented with Costar stabs).

Interesting.

I get the very strong impression that the experts over on DT feel that Costar stabs are far superior to Cherry stabs, despite the "convenience" of not having to deal with inserts with Cherry stabilizers. Is this a YMMV kind of thing?

I'd say it is. With the right tuning, Cherry stabs can be quite snappy and feel pretty much just as responsive as Costar stabs. However, Costar stabs typically feel more snappy (as do Alps stabs) in comparison to Cherry, at least unmodified/stock stabs.

Costar:

+ Snappy and responsive feeling off the bat
- More rattly than Cherry stabs
- Finicky when it comes to changing caps

Cherry:

+ Hassle-free Cap removal for the most part (aside from those times when tight-fitting caps pull the wires out of the inserts)
- More mushy/less responsive compared to Costar off the bat
-/+ Not exactly as rattly as Costar, but still rattly

- Clones of Cherry stabs generally suck. I've seen some with textured sides, pretty much like it was meant to make the board feel scratchy

Both of them require a bit of tuning to get them to their best.

Costar is easier to optimally tune up using a lubricant grease to stop rattle pretty easily.

Cherry requires clipping of stabs (most of the time, with modern stabs), lubrication, and other mods to get them to their best

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 23:53:28 »
Alps did it first! /s
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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 02:21:09 »
I find it difficult to believe this is ISO only unless it's some sort of limited edition.  Cherry is huge in China and I can't see them giving that market up unless they're no longer pursuing the gamer market.

14KRO and NKRO do not belong in the same sentence.  And WTF with only 14 anyway?  I had an i-Rocks rubberdome at one point that had around 21/22KRO.  And I'm pretty sure the QSenn DT35 - another rubberdome - had around 14KRO.

Not the ISO layout. It's the ANSI. I have one sample keyboard.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 04:07:46 »
I find it difficult to believe this is ISO only unless it's some sort of limited edition.  Cherry is huge in China and I can't see them giving that market up unless they're no longer pursuing the gamer market.

14KRO and NKRO do not belong in the same sentence.  And WTF with only 14 anyway?  I had an i-Rocks rubberdome at one point that had around 21/22KRO.  And I'm pretty sure the QSenn DT35 - another rubberdome - had around 14KRO.

Not the ISO layout. It's the ANSI. I have one sample keyboard.

International eu layout is ansi?

Can we have a sound recording or some pictures?

Thanks

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 04:10:10 »
International eu layout is ansi?
Article numbers ending in EU are usually ANSI boards with the Euro glyph.
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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 04:14:15 »
Such a shame for me that there's no TKL. Just can't go back to full size. Would snap one up!
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 08:23:47 »
Cherry stabs make swapping caps much more straightforward, and shouldn't ever grind against caps (something that's documented with Costar stabs).

Interesting.

I get the very strong impression that the experts over on DT feel that Costar stabs are far superior to Cherry stabs, despite the "convenience" of not having to deal with inserts with Cherry stabilizers. Is this a YMMV kind of thing?

I prefer Cherry stabilizers simply because they don't have that tick-tick-tick sound tapping across the space bar.  Also they can feel as good or very close to as good as Costar; the problem is most OEM's don't take the time/effort to tune them properly.

Costar stabilizers never bothered me as far as putting on/taking off.  I'm exactly sure what the issue people are having?  The only time I would sweat bullets is trying to take keycaps off some obscure Alps board with some rare ultra thin wire configuration (ie: no replacements other than buying another board.)  But even then I never screwed it up.

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 16:17:34 »
Once I tried a Cherry G80-3000 keyboard with blacks and the stabilized keys were the worst I've ever tried in a keyboard. Those keys sounded and felt like broken. It was totally unaceptable. I hope the Cherry stabilizers in my new Leopold FC900R do not feel at all like those in the G80.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 17:17:57 »
I find it difficult to believe this is ISO only unless it's some sort of limited edition.  Cherry is huge in China and I can't see them giving that market up unless they're no longer pursuing the gamer market.

14KRO and NKRO do not belong in the same sentence.  And WTF with only 14 anyway?  I had an i-Rocks rubberdome at one point that had around 21/22KRO.  And I'm pretty sure the QSenn DT35 - another rubberdome - had around 14KRO.
They just released the MX Board 9.0 in Asia with (I think) MX Pinks along with standard options: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/cherry-releases-mx-board-9-gaming-keyboard.html
http://www.cherry.de/cid/new_products_CHERRY_MX_Board_90.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en&cpssessionid=SID-D64E426F-247045DA&WT.mc_id=
And the benefit of this over a Filco Majestouch-2 Silent board is...?
Cherry profile keycaps.

Are they sourcing their caps from GMK now? Because that would be ironic.
I'm pretty sure they still make their own, but they laser the legends.
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Update from Cherry: This keyboard will be availabe in ISO layout. The product launch is planned for Q2/2017.

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Could someone explain to me why that is called an "ISO layout" board?

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Could someone explain to me why that is called an "ISO layout" board?

I received an email from cherry, where they said that international eu layout is iso.
To me is quite obviuous that if they are at CES, in the USA, they show to the public an ANSI keyboard to find some potential big buyers, also if they have decided to sell ISO keyboard first.

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Could someone explain to me why that is called an "ISO layout" board?

I received an email from cherry, where they said that international eu layout is iso.
To me is quite obviuous that if they are at CES, in the USA, they show to the public an ANSI keyboard to find some potential big buyers, also if they have decided to sell ISO keyboard first.

http://cherry.de/cid/keyboards_CHERRY_MX_BOARD_SILENT.htm

Layout (country or language)
US English with EURO symbol

Cherry name EU/US (G80-3494LTCEU-0) as ANSI.
DE/FR/CH and others in Eur countries as ISO.

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Yeah, what Cherry calls "EU layout" is ANSI with a Euro currency symbol on the 5 key and that is what is shown on the product page. The rep' that mailed Giorgio must have been confused...

The G80-3494 existed already with regular Cherry MX Red switches - which has been confirmed to have 6KRO over USB. On Cherry's product page for the keyboard with silent switches, it says "up to 14 keys over USB". Hrmpf. I think we can safely say that it is the regular 6KRO USB protocol.
However, it also supports PS/2 - which supports NKRO. So you could use it with for instance Soarer's converter and get NKRO over USB that way.
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Ah, okay.

Well, for someone like me who would swap out the stock keycaps for my own anyway, that board is simply an ANSI-104 board.

Thanks for the clarification.


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Wait. When did MX blue become 60 cN?

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Wait. When did MX blue become 60 cN?

They're comparing apples to oranges.



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Another update from cherry customer service, it's ANSI only  :eek: :'( :mad: :-X

write to them asking for an ISO version!

http://www.cherry.de/cid/contact.htm?rdeLocationAttr=DE&rdeLocaleAttr=en&switch=true

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Another update from cherry customer service, it's ANSI only  :eek: :'( :mad: :-X

write to them asking for an ISO version!

http://www.cherry.de/cid/contact.htm?rdeLocationAttr=DE&rdeLocaleAttr=en&switch=true

Wow thats surprising, i bet they will make an ISO version at some point.  One could just buy a standard switch G80-3000 in ISO and open the switch tops since its PCB mount unless theres something special about the Silent switch bottom housing.

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For $150 (in USD is that correct?!) i'd rather buy a bunch of the switches and swap them into a old G80. Hell, at $150 thats more than Corsair boards with them and they are arguably better keyboards. Anyone know when you can buy the switches individually?

There is something strangely appealing about an old G80 with dampened linear switches, especially coming from a Alps guy.
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Too bad that the shipping rate from there is 70 USD for just a couple of switches, wtf! Shipping of an entire keyboard in a retail box costs less from them, despite having greater volume and weight.  :))

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And plate mount too. WTF.
Each pcb mount switch can be plate mounted, but not the opposite.

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Contacting them solved the issue with the shipping cost in this instance. They were very quick to respond and hopefully the switches will be with me in a couple of days.  :)

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We will have to wait Q2 .

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 01 February 2017, 16:57:23 »
Ugh, $149. I remember G80-3000 was €60 on Amazon.de a few years ago.

Tbh, these should be should for 100 euros instead of 150 but beggars can't be choosers.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 in ANSI layout launched ad CES, available from Q2/2017
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 01 February 2017, 18:05:59 »
Review

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/cherry-mx-board-silent,review-4129.html
Bezel is a bit much, but I'm glad to see silent blacks starting to proliferate.

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 02 February 2017, 04:38:51 »
Ugh, $149. I remember G80-3000 was €60 on Amazon.de a few years ago.

Tbh, these should be should for 100 euros instead of 150 but beggars can't be choosers.

It's actually cheaper to buy a g80-3000 and replace the switches with their silent equivalent. No soldering involved. (I'm quite sure that the base of the switch isn't different from silent to standard reds/blacks).

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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 02 February 2017, 05:11:57 »
It's actually cheaper to buy a g80-3000 and replace the switches with their silent equivalent. No soldering involved. (I'm quite sure that the base of the switch isn't different from silent to standard reds/blacks).
How about roll over?
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Re: Silent Cherry g80-3000 launched ad CES
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 02 February 2017, 06:06:32 »
It's actually cheaper to buy a g80-3000 and replace the switches with their silent equivalent. No soldering involved. (I'm quite sure that the base of the switch isn't different from silent to standard reds/blacks).
How about roll over?

Surely it doesn't improve by replacing the switches :-P