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Title: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 15 December 2012, 04:01:04
This interest check is for a service that will be put on by me (Prof) and MiMiC if interest is great enough. The services offered will be plain assembly, modded switches (ergo clears, getto greens, etc), lubing and stickering. We will also be doing a groupbuy for certain parts for our customers to get better bulk pricing and so there is less intermediate shipping. Things offered might be diodes, resistors, leds, switches, stabilzers, cases, plates, and cables, this all depends on interest.


GB thread opened http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38471.0
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: dirge on Sat, 15 December 2012, 04:33:49
Nice one, be sure to use SMD diodes and invest in a cable bender like litster used for the 7 unit space bars.  Will you offer a cherry or costar stabiliser option?

I loved assembling mine, but if you haven't got the stuff having it done for you is great.

This time round with the phantom it would be good to see the plate designed to be integrated with a case, like the Korean's do.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: netdevil on Sat, 15 December 2012, 06:54:08
Awesome Will be looking at this closely! Already been poisoned by the phantom gb :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Sai on Sat, 15 December 2012, 06:57:32
i will be in if everything could be bought through you guys. its could cut cost in shipping on many things. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 15 December 2012, 08:16:30
Cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: akuJIWA on Sat, 15 December 2012, 08:23:09
Is it possible for me to get equipments only? I would really rather assemble them myself, but finding everything else other than the pcb might be a hassle. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Shadovved on Sat, 15 December 2012, 08:24:14
Maybe prof can get some DIY kits rolling like the KMACs where everything is included :D
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Sai on Sat, 15 December 2012, 08:34:07
^ +1
Title: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Acetrak on Sat, 15 December 2012, 10:41:04
You already know if I'm innnnnn
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 15 December 2012, 10:50:18
Nice of you to offer this. Phantoms are kind of a ***** to build. The diodes are very tedious to place and solder, and the Teensy is very tricky to get done right. I've yet to mod my switches, i.e. lubing and stickering, but I'm sure that will be quite a chore, as well. Mounting the switches to the plate and soldering those to the PCB is a relaxing breeze compared to the rest.
Title: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Halverson on Sat, 15 December 2012, 12:09:47
Nice of you to offer this. Phantoms are kind of a ***** to build. The diodes are very tedious to place and solder, and the Teensy is very tricky to get done right. I've yet to mod my switches, i.e. lubing and stickering, but I'm sure that will be quite a chore, as well. Mounting the switches to the plate and soldering those to the PCB is a relaxing breeze compared to the rest.

+1 and I've only been doing one Kmac. I wouldn't do it for money. Just so bloody tedious.
Awesome you're doing this prof :)
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: daerid on Sat, 15 December 2012, 12:17:39
Yup. I'm definitely in.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: nebo on Sat, 15 December 2012, 13:00:47
I'd be in for at least building, not sure about switch modding yet.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: danielucf on Sat, 15 December 2012, 13:02:05
I would probably be interested in this because soldering diodes is difficult right? That and I can be lazy, and after my full ergo clear mod to my FC700R that took probably 4 hours total I really appreciate the work involved in offering a service like this.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Leewei on Sat, 15 December 2012, 16:48:25
Interested! gogo!
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 15 December 2012, 20:10:04
Maybe.... Not sure if I could make it myself ><.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 15 December 2012, 21:38:05
Maybe.... Not sure if I could make it myself ><.
and thats why this interest check was started
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Permeability on Sun, 16 December 2012, 18:27:37
any possibility of you guys assembling GH60's once those are ready too?  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 16 December 2012, 20:34:33
any possibility of you guys assembling GH60's once those are ready too?  :))
yep just talked it over with MiMic hopefulyy a IC check thread for that should be popping up soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:26:34
Nice one, be sure to use SMD diodes and invest in a cable bender like litster used for the 7 unit space bars.  Will you offer a cherry or costar stabiliser option?

I loved assembling mine, but if you haven't got the stuff having it done for you is great.

This time round with the phantom it would be good to see the plate designed to be integrated with a case, like the Korean's do.
Did anyone ever do SMD diodes on a Phantom as I have not heard of anyone doing that. I will be using Cherry Stabilizers preferably and once I find a place that sells plate mount as I have only found PCB mount. yes I would like to see a nice custom case but i dont know if that actually going to happen this time around though I would think it wouuld for the Phantom v2 if that ever happens.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Shadovved on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:31:52
Maybe prof can get some DIY kits rolling like the KMACs where everything is included :D

Hey prof, maybe you didnt see this, but some of the people are looking for smth like this :D

Maybe to address some concerns?  :)) :))
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:36:02
Is it possible for me to get equipments only? I would really rather assemble them myself, but finding everything else other than the pcb might be a hassle. Thanks.
I dont plan to run a GB for all of the parts separately as the sorting for the amount of people expected to be in the GB would be a very large amount and ive only hear horror stories from the last GB. Also everything should be readily available ill just be buying in larger quantities hopfully.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:37:27
Maybe prof can get some DIY kits rolling like the KMACs where everything is included :D

Hey prof, maybe you didnt see this, but some of the people are looking for smth like this :D

Maybe to address some concerns?  :)) :))
this was done last GB ans was reportedly hell so im really not so interested in doing that...
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:45:24
Nice of you to offer this. Phantoms are kind of a ***** to build. The diodes are very tedious to place and solder, and the Teensy is very tricky to get done right. I've yet to mod my switches, i.e. lubing and stickering, but I'm sure that will be quite a chore, as well. Mounting the switches to the plate and soldering those to the PCB is a relaxing breeze compared to the rest.

+1 and I've only been doing one Kmac. I wouldn't do it for money. Just so bloody tedious.
Awesome you're doing this prof :)

I would probably be interested in this because soldering diodes is difficult right? That and I can be lazy, and after my full ergo clear mod to my FC700R that took probably 4 hours total I really appreciate the work involved in offering a service like this.

Thanks for then props guys. Once you know how to do most of this stuff it really isnt all that hard (personal feeling) but it is mighty tedious and takes a fair bit of time especially when done right.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 17 December 2012, 00:59:24
Seems like you got everything organized and lots of experiance in distributing part of the gb as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: bpiphany on Mon, 17 December 2012, 02:00:26
One of the large problems with sorting components for the previous group buys was that we got the diodes in bulk (loose one by one) rather than on tape. With tape it is pretty quick to just measure out the correct amount with a ruler and cut. Since diodes are very very cheap when bought in quantities my suggestion would be that they are included in the PCB group buy. Other than diodes only switches and a Teensy is needed. And a few resistors and LEDs, but since people are going to want different colors and with that different resistors, this would be a chore to include.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/100-SANKEN-AL01ZV1-Ultra-Fast-Recovery-Rectifier-Diode-TAPE-NEW-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$%28KGrHqRHJFcE918FI6oIBPe2ZcQvmQ~~60_57.JPG)
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 17 December 2012, 02:16:20
One of the large problems with sorting components for the previous group buys was that we got the diodes in bulk (loose one by one) rather than on tape. With tape it is pretty quick to just measure out the correct amount with a ruler and cut. Since diodes are very very cheap when bought in quantities my suggestion would be that they are included in the PCB group buy. Other than diodes only switches and a Teensy is needed. And a few resistors and LEDs, but since people are going to want different colors and with that different resistors, this would be a chore to include.

Show Image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/100-SANKEN-AL01ZV1-Ultra-Fast-Recovery-Rectifier-Diode-TAPE-NEW-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$%28KGrHqRHJFcE918FI6oIBPe2ZcQvmQ~~60_57.JPG)

thanks for the insite bpiphany
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: t2russo on Mon, 17 December 2012, 02:25:19
In on this and the GB thread for the Phantom
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Dgsbllx on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:04:52
Tempted to go for it myself but can't decide yet, but as others have said I am definitely down for making up the numbers in bulk purchasing! Slightly off topic, but do we need the Teensy 2 or the 2 with pins?
Cheers for running this service! (if there is enough interest)
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:09:46
Tempted to go for it myself but can't decide yet, but as others have said I am definitely down for making up the numbers in bulk purchasing! Slightly off topic, but do we need the Teensy 2 or the 2 with pins?
Cheers for running this service! (if there is enough interest)
yea ill gets teensys also if the Gb doesnt have them with the PCBs, sorry I didnt include that.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Leewei on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:36:29
oOo. So this would basically be the complete thing right? =D
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:37:24
oOo. So this would basically be the complete thing right? =D
yes
Title: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: iArson on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:54:29
Interested and have a man crush on you for the awesome idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Leewei on Wed, 19 December 2012, 11:34:39
I haven't see any phantoms that are winkeyless layout. Would that be a possible option?
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 19 December 2012, 11:41:06
I haven't see any phantoms that are winkeyless layout. Would that be a possible option?
Just don't put that switch in when you build it.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Leewei on Wed, 19 December 2012, 11:45:18
I see. I guess the only thing left is the casing itself. =)
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 19 December 2012, 16:40:17
I see. I guess the only thing left is the casing itself. =)
we are planning to have that as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Leewei on Wed, 19 December 2012, 16:53:06
Prof you so cool man. <3
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Rendom on Wed, 19 December 2012, 17:12:39
Can I know how much to buy the service?
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 19 December 2012, 17:16:18
Can I know how much to buy the service?
working on it GB thread should be up soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Rendom on Wed, 19 December 2012, 17:51:55
Can I know how much to buy the service?
working on it GB thread should be up soon.

Alright!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 19 December 2012, 17:58:20
If you get too bogged Prof, I'll help.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 19 December 2012, 18:13:27
If you get too bogged Prof, I'll help.
been trying to talk to yo uabout that but you no respond on GTalk or IRC...
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: okooko on Wed, 19 December 2012, 18:20:10
Interested in this =P
Will see how GB details go and how international logistics go
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Amarok on Wed, 19 December 2012, 19:15:11
Very interested, just put in an order for the PCB GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: reverkiller on Wed, 19 December 2012, 19:24:45
Is there any chance we can learn about where you're getting your cases from?

I have everything worked out but casing, and I was hoping to get that from somewhere.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 19 December 2012, 19:46:56
well until there is a better option its probably going to be a PLU-87...
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: Leewei on Wed, 19 December 2012, 20:44:49
Would it be too difficult to get an aluminum casing similar to those korean customs?
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 19 December 2012, 20:55:27
Would it be too difficult to get an aluminum casing similar to those korean customs?
yes as there is nothing designed yet
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: netdevil on Thu, 20 December 2012, 02:07:57
I supposed that I have to still put in my order for the phantom pcb gb still even though I have expressed interest here?
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: litster on Thu, 20 December 2012, 02:28:27
I love soldering keyboards myself.  but I would not have time to solder for other people because I am too much of a perfectionist.  Glad to see theprofosist is doing this for so many people.
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 20 December 2012, 02:45:23
I supposed that I have to still put in my order for the phantom pcb gb still even though I have expressed interest here?
yes you would
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: bpiphany on Thu, 20 December 2012, 03:19:31
I love soldering keyboards myself.  but I would not have time to solder for other people because I am too much of a perfectionist.  Glad to see theprofosist is doing this for so many people.

I hope TheProfosist knows someone with one of these...
Other than forming all the diodes this is a really easy and quick job. It can be soldered with just about any tool. The pads are large and well spaced.

There are tools like this as well http://www.newark.com/duratool/tp-12/component-pre-forming-tool-tp12/dp/61T7848  Though I may have made placed diode pads a bit too close to eachother, I'm not absolutely sure these tools handles that...
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 20 December 2012, 04:25:54
I love soldering keyboards myself.  but I would not have time to solder for other people because I am too much of a perfectionist.  Glad to see theprofosist is doing this for so many people.

I hope TheProfosist knows someone with one of these...
Other than forming all the diodes this is a really easy and quick job. It can be soldered with just about any tool. The pads are large and well spaced.

There are tools like this as well http://www.newark.com/duratool/tp-12/component-pre-forming-tool-tp12/dp/61T7848  Though I may have made placed diode pads a bit too close to eachother, I'm not absolutely sure these tools handles that...
nope nothing cool like that :(
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheQsanity on Thu, 20 December 2012, 04:38:00
Gosh, 600 bucks? That thing is cool but not that cool!
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 20 December 2012, 08:31:30
I use a popsicle stick :)
Title: Re: [IC] Phantom Keyboard Assembly Service
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 20 December 2012, 18:32:59
GB thread opened http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38471.0