[GB] DCS Vert - Complete

[mcmcmc]

DCS Vert




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Imagine reading in the 21st century -_-.
I was in Discord with my friend, and we were just chilling, talking to one another, until we had nothing to do. We sat there doing nothing listen to music bot "Rythm" (RIP) for like 30 minutes. One of my friends said "Let's make a keycap set, and see how far we can go. I don't think it's that hard to make a set. And let's compare your set to one another." So, I made this. I said to my friends "This will actually hits MOQ, if it is GB." They disagree with me, so we bet. One of my friends saw this clip of people doing a wax mold of their hands. So, if this set actually hits MOQ, they have to send me a wax mold of their pp. If it doesn't, I have to send them mine. Just a normal thing for us. (please help me t—t) You don't have to believe that this story is real, I might made this up.

I want to make a simple dark green set.

IC Thread

GB: May 2 - June 2
Estimated Delivery: Q4 2022 - Q1 2023


Vendors
United States: ThocKeys
United Kingdom: Prototypist
Europe: Mykeyboard.eu
Canada: ApexKeyboards
South East Asia: Hex Keyboards
Korea: Swagkeys
India: Rectangles.store
Oceania: SwitchKeys


How much?



Details
Material - ABS
Legends - Doubleshot, Pad-Print (red sublegends)
Colors - Pantone 627 C - all caps, Pantone  276 C - accent esc and enter,
Pantone 704 C - red sublegends & SP WA - all legends


Base Kit


Chad Kit(150MOQ)

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You guys who are worried if SP is actually going to make this or not. I've asked SP about the sublegends, and they said they are totally fine with those sublegends and they can make it.

This is an explanation of some of the sublegends that might confuse you. QOCK - If you put it in Google Translate, it sound like cock. (I cannot find a meme word that starts with Q.) EYES - refers to Simon's eyes, and also that E-Y-E-S joke. Juan - refers an image of a horse standing on a balcony. This is hilarious to me idk why. ZOOM - refers to Zoom Meeting related jokes. (I cannot find a meme word that starts with Z.)

About those red sublegends. My idea is that those sublegends says "GMK BAD BUT DCS GOOD", as I want to express that don't buy GMK their MOQ system is bad, their lead time is awful, they don't really care about customers. I wanted to make them pad printed because eventually they'll wear out = by the time they wear out, that's the time I hope GMK is good again.

10u Kit

Renders by Izeri Considering the first idea of this set has a sublegends, Izeri cannot use Fooblitzky's DCS models for all of the caps. So, Izeri mixed KRK & Fooblitzky's DCS models together to make renders for this set.

As you can see the color of this set is really similar to GMK Taiga. I've asked the designer GMK Taiga (Oggi)
if it is fine for me to use this color scheme, and he said yes.

Deskmats

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No. We already have enough deskmats, find one or make it yourself.

Q&A

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What's up with the name
DCS Vert = DCS is DCS Profile & Vert is green in French. Why French? idk it just sounds good. French is sexy.

Why DCS?
I love DCS. It's good.

Can we have pics after GB?
NOOO.

Collab?
No, sorry. I’ve contacted some designers to collab with them, but as I think more about it. I decide not to do any collaboration as this is my first big project, I am trying to make things simple, so it can go as smooth as possible.

Discord
Discord server / mcmcmc#2149

[ankit]

N ut

[finalarcadia]

In for all kits

[LaserCrafter]

P og

[FatefulStranger]

L IT

[Screen.jing]

Will be my first keysets gb that Ill go all in with. Such a nice set and the designer needs more love <3

[ZavaZ86]

all in or bust, gonna be so lit

[vuckale]

No NorDe/International?

[el_lento]

ne alps avail

[finalarcadia]

I mean the post says what's available so why ask. This is a GB not an IC

[BasedCoper]

I'll take 2 please. Thank you.

[PancakeGoon]

N ut

...tin gonna 🅱️eat this sets aesthetics for an ill minute. Suuuper in.

[Mr_BeastQuake]

I might be legally too old to buy the novelty alphas, but I like the base set and will buy.

Some day I hope people will add windowed keys back in. Maybe they'll be useless when Caps Lock isn't a thing or indicator LEDs are built into every  Case/PCB.

[PancakeGoon]

I might be legally too old to buy the novelty alphas, but I like the base set and will buy.

Some day I hope people will add windowed keys back in. Maybe they'll be useless when Caps Lock isn't a thing or indicator LEDs are built into every  Case/PCB.

There's actually been a decent uptick in Windowed inclusions & Relegendable kits from some of the bigger manu's throughout the past year or so.
    I mean; I'll always accept more of either with open arms, but since The Times are what they are with raw-materials at the moment, we might be in for quite a sizeable wait until the majority of these sets are actually fulfilled & build porn is passed around the community before we start seeing wider interest & demand...
   *(which I can totally see being revived into the Big Kitting Fad of 2029, once the Instagrammers & r/MKers catch wind of these "new" GMK Novs they can justify their Trance-Rave underglow builds with)

Even SP's non-SA queue is starting to flex from the weight of influx orders - and they have tooling for some of the more interesting & throwback window-styles, and for multiple profiles.
    ePBT is another one without the risk of having a G^rayMK-beard by delivery. Buuut then again, when I stop and remember that KBDfans seems to add 30 new ePBT IC's every 12-hours, they might not be the best way to scratch an itch, either... 

[mcmcmc]

All vendors are now live

[aa212121]

I love u for putting out this set at the price it is. I'm in and looking fwd to Beige addon.

[Neely_12]

Does the 10u bar use 7u mounting points?

[mcmcmc]

Does the 10u bar use 7u mounting points?

yes it does.


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[granola bar enthusiast]

your friend who betted against you must be very happy right now

[rooski15]

Sets like this make me wish desperately that SP had support for 6u bars (topre). Beautifully done

[BasedCoper]

Sets like this make me wish desperately that SP had support for 6u bars (topre). Beautifully done

topre thocc

[Puddsy]

Sets like this make me wish desperately that SP had support for 6u bars (topre). Beautifully done

unless something has changed recently they have molds for offset and centered 6u, but it is expensive and not many people need it

[rooski15]

unless something has changed recently they have molds for offset and centered 6u, but it is expensive and not many people need it

Ahh, good to know. I know DSS had a 6u option, but I was under the impression other profiles did not. Regardless, I understand why they would be excluded, just wish it weren't so. A uniform dark green is an elusive kit.

[Aiwanei]

Sets like this make me wish desperately that SP had support for 6u bars (topre). Beautifully done

unless something has changed recently they have molds for offset and centered 6u, but it is expensive and not many people need it

SP DCS 6u Bars are not standard 6u spacing. I have confirmed with Melissa at SP that they only have one option for 6u which is centered and the posts on the end are only compatible with some vintage boards, POS boards and the razer black widow.  You can see 6u gmk on the left vs 6u DCS on the right here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897835673518747698/898004759842279444/20211013_202542.jpg

I'm hoping then they redo the small bars to be convex, they redo the 6u mold as well.

[rooski15]

Sets like this make me wish desperately that SP had support for 6u bars (topre). Beautifully done

unless something has changed recently they have molds for offset and centered 6u, but it is expensive and not many people need it

SP DCS 6u Bars are not standard 6u spacing. I have confirmed with Melissa at SP that they only have one option for 6u which is centered and the posts on the end are only compatible with some vintage boards, POS boards and the razer black widow.  You can see 6u gmk on the left vs 6u DCS on the right here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897835673518747698/898004759842279444/20211013_202542.jpg

I'm hoping then they redo the small bars to be convex, they redo the 6u mold as well.

That'd be ideal.

I know DSS has a standard 6u centered bar, which was encouraging to hear. They just ran a set with Sencillo and first 6u bars were pos DSA before they remade them as DSS 6uC.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812020330486956032/941925401071087636/dss-6u.png

[Puddsy]

Sets like this make me wish desperately that SP had support for 6u bars (topre). Beautifully done

unless something has changed recently they have molds for offset and centered 6u, but it is expensive and not many people need it

SP DCS 6u Bars are not standard 6u spacing. I have confirmed with Melissa at SP that they only have one option for 6u which is centered and the posts on the end are only compatible with some vintage boards, POS boards and the razer black widow.  You can see 6u gmk on the left vs 6u DCS on the right here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897835673518747698/898004759842279444/20211013_202542.jpg

I'm hoping then they redo the small bars to be convex, they redo the 6u mold as well.

oh interesting, that's good to know

i think they had offset in a different profile maybe? i've definitely seen it offered before but maybe not in DCS

[Koniotaur]

How we're looking at week in?

[mr_fro2000]

This even has 40s support.  I'm in

[zebus]

I really like the color but I’ve never owned DCS, how will they compare in quality to GMK?


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[BasedCoper]

I really like the color but I’ve never owned DCS, how will they compare in quality to GMK?


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Read the description of DCS in DCS Pink Alert page.

[aa212121]

I really like the color but I’ve never owned DCS, how will they compare in quality to GMK?

Way better texture, thinner than gmk but refreshing sound.

and ofc what BasedCopper said is in the "Why?" section of https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=116286.0

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Why

DCS: Aside from the relatively short lead times, I genuinely love the profile and typing feel of these keycaps. For those who are still stuck on the mindset that thin keycaps are inherently bad, I would argue that's only the case when it's paired with the low quality materials and OEM-tier manufacturing processes those are typically made with. The thinness of ABS DCS attributes to less dampening of switch feedback, even going as far as making tactiles feel more tactile due to this effect. Moreover the unique "chirpy" / thin sound profile, albeit polarising, further adds to what makes me and many others love it.

ABS: Not only is DCS PBT far more expensive than ABS DCS and thicker (thus losing a part of what I love about thin DCS), it's also just not possible for this design due to the white on pink keycaps as they require reverse dye-sublimation; which Signature Plastics can't do as of yet.

Wyse Legends: I personally enjoy the unique aesthetic this font provides and think it works well with the profile. I understand there are those who may prefer I use Cherry legends but this will not be a possibility for this set. If this is a dealbreaker for you, there are plenty of other wonderful sets that make use of great pastel pinks  ;D
 

[BasedCoper]

So happy I'm in the gb. Pray this hits MOQ

[Fraaaan]

I really like the color but I’ve never owned DCS, how will they compare in quality to GMK?


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Quality is pretty much the same as GMK. SP have been doing great work for many years.

[Puddsy]

I really like the color but I’ve never owned DCS, how will they compare in quality to GMK?


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Quality is pretty much the same as GMK. SP have been doing great work for many years.

seconding this

thickness does not always equal quality despite what some may tell you

[herfalerf]

Love the color, love DCS.  Just placed my order, hopefully we are on track for moq.

[Nuap]

Very nice, day one orderer here. Couldn't not cop base kit and alt alphas.


How is this set looking for MOQ?

[dvorcol]

[Nuap]

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Thanks dvorcol, hopefully there's a few units attributed to outdated vendors. Would love to see this set reach MOQ as it's actually innovative even if it's a meme.

[warmbidetaqua]

in on all set, hoping moq hits

[Rico]

I am late, already June 4, but could still order all the kits.

Hope it hits MOQ now!

[finalarcadia]

N e news ?

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[mcmcmc]

All kits will be made!

[Nuap]

All kits will be made!

Congratulations on a successful GB, guess you'll be receiving a wax mold of a pp soon

[Rico]

Yay, so happy !

Could it be possible to share the final numbers ?

[dvorcol]

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<-- without extras

[Rico]

Thank you !

[finalarcadia]

based

[mcmcmc]

sorry for the radio silence, i’ve been busy in the last few weeks with my exams. just a quick update, nothing much. we’ve received the invoice from SP and paid for it last week. 

[mcmcmc]

the current schedule is the end of march.
regarding color matching, this set uses the same green color as SA Skyriter. i'll ask SP to send us what they already have, and i’ll send it to Nebulant for him to do his science thing. if it comes out good, i’ll use it. if not, i’ll request a new attempt from them. this is my plan, but i'm still waiting for a response. it sounds like they are going to put off working on that until it's a little closer to production.

[mcmcmc]

unfortunately, i have no updates as of now. we'll keep asking SP every few days until we do.
on another note, dcs vert will use the thinner " " key.

[treeleaf64]

I will buy extras  I didn't have money at the time and Now I can !

[mcmcmc]

Melissa responded that it was still on the schedule for March 2022, but then later messaged again they may be moving the date of it up, so they are starting the color matching process now.

[mcmcmc]

[malignant narcissism]

So uh... we still good for Q1 2023?

[Nuap]

Hey mcmcmc how is the timeline for DCS Vert looking?

[mcmcmc]

Hey mcmcmc how is the timeline for DCS Vert looking?

So uh... we still good for Q1 2023?

yep, still on track Q1, but depends on when color matching finishes.

[mcmcmc]

this is the result for green. delta e (2000) is under 2.0 for both textured and glossy so it’s a match.

pantone is unable to provide us purple chips so we have to eyeball it. knowing SP qc is not great lately, i’m a bit scared that vert is gonna turn out bad. i asked aiwanei how we can tackle this problem, but i haven’t had any responses back yet. ;-;

[malignant narcissism]

this is the result for green. delta e (2000) is under 2.0 for both textured and glossy so it’s a match.

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pantone is unable to provide us purple chips so we have to eyeball it. knowing SP qc is not great lately, i’m a bit scared that vert is gonna turn out bad. i asked aiwanei how we can tackle this problem, but i haven’t had any responses back yet. ;-;

That's not encouraging. What could be off? What's the issue with DCS QC lately? I don't own any of their kits but am excited for this one in particular-- are we on track to still receive these soon?

[mcmcmc]

this is the result for green. delta e (2000) is under 2.0 for both textured and glossy so it’s a match.

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pantone is unable to provide us purple chips so we have to eyeball it. knowing SP qc is not great lately, i’m a bit scared that vert is gonna turn out bad. i asked aiwanei how we can tackle this problem, but i haven’t had any responses back yet. ;-;

That's not encouraging. What could be off? What's the issue with DCS QC lately? I don't own any of their kits but am excited for this one in particular-- are we on track to still receive these soon?

Here's a copy pasta for SP's **** ups. This is by no means comprehensive but it's enough to get the idea.

DSS After School 1992 40s/ortho had upside down keys
DCS Paperwork had the wrong 10u bar
DSA Historic had misaligned punctuation keys
DCS Deadbeats had the wrong material for its spacebars
SA Jadeite had incorrect minibars
DCS 9009 was the wrong legends
DSS All Hallows Eve just delivered with POS 2u bars
DSS Hand Work had upside down keys
DSA Red Velvet alphas were missized (new molds were made in the wrong size – and weren't fixed)
DCS Input had stepping and color sizes
DCS Classic had the wrong 10u bar
DCS SolDark had incorrect profile 40s keys and relegendables in the wrong color
DCS Reaper texture and molding issues

[malignant narcissism]

I appreciate the transparency and hope for the best.

[mcmcmc]

pantone finally re-stock their plastic chips. we'll purchase and send it to nebulant. i also sent an album of legends, as suggested, to avoid any confusion.

https://imgur.com/a/VXrz7Yy

[phaxin]

In for extras 

[Nuap]

pantone finally re-stock their plastic chips. we'll purchase and send it to nebulant. i also sent an album of legends, as suggested, to avoid any confusion.

https://imgur.com/a/VXrz7Yy

Great news, happy to see this progressing.

[Namkhanhv]

In for extras 

[Dewstem]

Hi, any updates on the colour matching with the pantone chips?

[mcmcmc]

Hi, any updates on the colour matching with the pantone chips?

Pantone chip will take a while to ship, and sample will arrive tomorrow. aiwanei will ship it to nebulant the next day.

[mcmcmc]

unfortunately result doesn't look good so i'll request another round of color matching. i'll also ask if it's possible for sp to produce green caps first and purple later to speed things up. cuz there're only 3 purple caps in a kit. i'm sorry this takes so long but i'd rather wait and get everything just right.

[Dewstem]

Hello any updates on the color matching?

[malignant narcissism]

Are we good?

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[Nuap]

Hey mcmcmc, anything changed in the last 2 months?

[mcmcmc]

i’m so sorry i forgot to update on gh.

[malignant narcissism]

i’m so sorry i forgot to update on gh.

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Thanks for the update. Fingers crossed!

[mcmcmc]

A is not close to Pantone, but B and C are very close. C is chosen because it’s the closest. color matching is now complete!

[mcmcmc]

[malignant narcissism]

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thank you thank you! (_)_)

[mcmcmc]

[malignant narcissism]

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Nice! Now I need a keyboard.

[mcmcmc]

dcs vert are starting to arrive at vendors. sometimes SP uses incorrect mold, i’ll check and request for replacements before shipping to you.
replacement keys: tilde

[codog]

dcs vert are starting to arrive at vendors. sometimes SP uses incorrect mold, i’ll check and request for replacements before shipping to you.
replacement keys: tilde

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that's so hot

[malignant narcissism]

dcs vert are starting to arrive at vendors. sometimes SP uses incorrect mold, i’ll check and request for replacements before shipping to you.
replacement keys: tilde

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Where did the pink novelties come from? I don't remember that being an option through the vendor I purchased them from. It's not an issue-- just curious.

[pixelpusher]

dcs vert are starting to arrive at vendors. sometimes SP uses incorrect mold, i’ll check and request for replacements before shipping to you.
replacement keys: tilde

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Where did the pink novelties come from? I don't remember that being an option through the vendor I purchased them from. It's not an issue-- just curious.

Ha, I thought the same at first.  I'm fairly certain that's another set in the same box -  SA fledgling.

[Poesjuh]

Can confirm those were indeed SA Fledgling kits

Below some pictures on two different boards all in daylight but different angles etc.






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[pixelpusher]

Looks exactly like renders to me.  Impressive

[malignant narcissism]

Can confirm those were indeed SA Fledgling kits

Below some pictures on two different boards all in daylight but different angles etc.

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They turned out great! Thanks for the photos in different lighting.

[iwobobul]

I'm in EU, where can I buy these? I saw prototypist stream and they are already being sold in UK.

[YoungManKim]

I'm in EU, where can I buy these? I saw prototypist stream and they are already being sold in UK.

The EU Vendor was MyKeyboard.eu. So, uh, make of that what you will.

[iwobobul]

I'm in EU, where can I buy these? I saw prototypist stream and they are already being sold in UK.

The EU Vendor was MyKeyboard.eu. So, uh, make of that what you will.

Ouch. Is ther eany info if the set was paid for? I see they are running a 50% sale on everything, I assume to fund sets liek this one.

[mcmcmc]

I'm in EU, where can I buy these? I saw prototypist stream and they are already being sold in UK.

The EU Vendor was MyKeyboard.eu. So, uh, make of that what you will.

Ouch. Is ther eany info if the set was paid for? I see they are running a 50% sale on everything, I assume to fund sets liek this one.

This photo is from mykb.eu, so yes.

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dcs vert are starting to arrive at vendors. sometimes SP uses incorrect mold, i’ll check and request for replacements before shipping to you.
replacement keys: tilde

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[mcmcmc]

pls don’t hurt me, but at least we know. now that everything is in place, vendors are starting shipping.

tldr: tilde did use the correct mold, but looks thicker due to colorway. no replacement keys needed.

[codog]

has anyone gotten their set from thockeys?

[malignant narcissism]

has anyone gotten their set from thockeys?

De nada

[mcmcmc]

has anyone gotten their set from thockeys?

my boi had a car accident give him time

[phatmasterq]

apparently switchkeys [AU] delivered my set on friday. will check it when i'm in office next week.

[involuntarysoul]

lol SP finally fixed the " key mold

[HungerMechanic]

dcs vert are starting to arrive at vendors. sometimes SP uses incorrect mold, i’ll check and request for replacements before shipping to you.
replacement keys: tilde

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Where did the pink novelties come from? I don't remember that being an option through the vendor I purchased them from. It's not an issue-- just curious.

Ironically, I had asked for salmon-orange novelties during the IC phase. Those SA keys are pretty much the exact shade I was thinking of!

[Fraaaan]

lol SP finally fixed the " key mold

Did they change the mold? I thought this was just the old thin one.