Key "Enter" on Cherry G80-3000

[vodoleyy]

I've visited many shops and salers online and noticed that some of these keyboards (on photos) had "enter" either in one row or in two rows. Does the Cherry company really produce 2 types of layout? Does anybody know?

[Minskleip]

At least they do ANSI and ISO, if that's what you mean.

[vodoleyy]

At least they do ANSI and ISO, if that's what you mean.

 Thx;) This is what i need!

[vodoleyy]

Thank you very much! I'm novice on Geekhack, as you see.

[Ekaros]

I've visited many shops and salers online and noticed that some of these keyboards (on photos) had "enter" either in one row or in two rows. Does the Cherry company really produce 2 types of layout? Does anybody know?

All major keyboard makers produce atleast these two layouts and then the different text for them.

Smaller makers might do only Ansi though... ISO is old layout and used in Europe.

[bugfix]

ISO is old layout and used in Europe.

And hated everywhere for some reason.

[mSSM]

No need for the ISO layout, IMO. At least my fine motor skills are good enough to hit that (still pretty big) enter key in the ANSI layout - and also you have the bracket and backslash keys in great positions!

[Ekaros]

No need for the ISO layout, IMO. At least my fine motor skills are good enough to hit that (still pretty big) enter key in the ANSI layout - and also you have the bracket and backslash keys in great positions!

On other hands US only know one language and don't care if some of us happen to need more keys. Non universal desing is bad design anyway... Not that ISO is a lot better, but more is more...

Also, that one key is ugly...

[bugfix]

On other hands US only know one language and don't care if some of us happen to need more keys.

Arrogant Americans ignoring my special characters....:yell:

äöüÄÖÜß

[mSSM]

Use LaTeX:
\"{a}
\"{o}
\"{u}
\"{A}
\"{O}
\"{U}
\ss

All you need! :-D

[Ekaros]

Use LaTeX:
\"{a}
\"{o}
\"{u}
\"{A}
\"{O}
\"{U}
\ss

All you need! :-D

I suggest we should remove ability to directly type any letter

[bugfix]

Use LaTeX:

And how does one use that on a an Internet forum? Or in an email? Or in a IM program?

Also how the f does Latex even work?

[theferenc]

Actually, it does work in several IM clients.

LaTeX is like HTML. It's a markup type language, that has to be run through an interpreter. It's very easy to use, once you get the hang of it, but it does have a bit of a learning curve.

[bugfix]

Can't you just use Word

[theferenc]

Actually, no, it doesn't work for what I need to do.

Just to clarify:
Word is a poor choice for a technical document for many different reasons. The need to include (one or more of) mathematics, figures, code, greek letters, embedded post script, footnotes, end notes, any number of other things I'm probably forgetting, and have a uniform, consistent look through the paper sort of invalidates word as an option. Word has trouble with long documents (100 pages causes it to seriously choke), which is not uncommon in academia.

Basically, it comes down to proper tool for the job. TeX and it's variants are the proper tool for math, science, and technical writing. Word is the proper tool for something, even if I haven't found it. Undergrads typing papers, secretaries sending out memos, maybe other cases I have no use for?

[bugfix]

So when I write a text, I would have to type things like all the time?

[Ekaros]

So umm if I want to write text document in pure UNICODE without any formating and stuff latex is great for it?

[theferenc]

No no no.

Most latex interpreters handle unicode just fine. And it's much more usable than HTML, in my opinion.

bugfix, your example would be

Code: [Select]

\bf{stuff in bold}

Ekaros, you're right, for most frequent users of non-ASCII characters, that would be absurd. If it's all non-ASCII, you end up with something like the pinyin system, or whatever is used in Japan.

If it's partially non-ASCII, the only logical approach is a different layout on the keyboard, which is unfortunate from a certain perspective, as it makes this frustrating for multi-lingual people (assuming multiple non-english languages).

[bpiphany]

Use LaTeX:
\"{a}
\"{o}
\"{u}
\"{A}
\"{O}
\"{U}
\ss

All you need! :-D

Actually it doesn't need to be that intricate  
\"a = ä
\"o = ö
\aa = å
and so on does it too. It is still not feasible though =P

\documentclass{paper}
\begin{document}

Alla m\"anniskor \"ar f\"odda fria och lika i v\"arde och
r\"attigheter. De har utrustats med f\"ornuft och samvete och b\"or
handla gentemot varandra i en anda av gemenskap.

Var och en \"ar ber\"attigad till alla de r\"attigheter och friheter
som uttalas i denna f\"orklaring utan \aa tskillnad av n\aa got slag,
s\aa som p\aa grund av ras, hudf\"arg, k\"on, spr\aa k, religion,
politisk eller annan uppfattning, nationellt eller socialt ursprung,
egendom, b\"ord eller st\"allning i \"ovrigt. Ingen \aa tskillnad f\aa
r heller g\"oras p\aa grund av den politiska, r\"attsliga eller
internationella status som r\aa der i det land eller det omr\aa de som
en person tillh\"or, vare sig detta land eller omr\aa de \"ar
oberoende, st\aa r under f\"orvaltarskap, \"ar icke-sj\"alvstyrande
eller \"ar underkastat n\aa gon annan begr\"ansning av sin
suver\"anitet.
\end{document}

[mSSM]

Well, the result counts! I agree, the plain text does not look too pretty, and it's not made to be read like that; but the result - awesome! :-D

[bugfix]

OK guys you have convinced me, now you'll have the pleasure to explain how exactly the workflow is supposed to be (sorry for the hijacking).

I'll have to write a term paper in the coming weeks, how would I do that? Just type the text normally in a Editor and add things like bold or italics later?

[Ekaros]

OK guys you have convinced me, now you'll have the pleasure to explain how exactly the workflow is supposed to be (sorry for the hijacking).

I'll have to write a term paper in the coming weeks, how would I do that? Just type the text normally in a Editor and add things like bold or italics later?

Try googling

Still, LaTeX is for engineers who don't know anything about typesetting, you write the stuff and someone else who should know better makes out how it looks in the end.

[keyb_gr]

Incidentally, UTF-8 has arrived in the TeX world, so no need to be afraid of exotic characters once stuff is set up properly.

(La)TeX has a good bit of a learning curve though. After all, the system has about 30 years of history. If you need decent results quickly, good templates are a must (I had some support from the department here when writing my diploma thesis). Even then, expect smoking head syndrome once in a while. Best grab a book and (as a Windows user) MiKTeX.

[theferenc]

Best books out there are (in my opinion) the Mittelbach, Goossens, et al. LaTeX Companion (ISBN-10: 0201362996, ISBN-13: 978-0201362992).

If you need lots of graphics in your papers or the ability to generate a presentation using LaTeX, The LaTeX Graphics Companion (same authors) helps immensely (ISBN-10 0-321-50892-0, ISBN-13 978-0-321-50892-8).

Between them, these books cover nearly everything you would need for most editing needs.

Bugfix, in general, you don't add the formatting commands in afterwards, but rather as you go. Like I said, it shares a lot of similarities with HTML, but is actually more user friendly (I think). So most formatting commands are analogous, but there is no need to use commands for a new paragraph, just have a blank line to denote the end of the previous paragraph. See Prins Valium's example, and notice the empty line. That actually means something in TeX, which is quite helpful.

Feel free to shoot me a PM sometime if you need more help. I've taught more than my fair share of people how to use LaTeX, so I have a lot of resources ready to go. But I don't want to derail the thread any further.

And out of curiosity, what general area is the term paper in?

[Superfluous Parentheses]

Best books out there are (in my opinion) the Mittelbach, Goossens, et al. LaTeX Companion

Pretty good book, that, though I don't think it's the best introduction to the system.

It did make me laugh that I could declare a receipt for a "latex companion" on my taxes last year

[Minskleip]

Read the Not so short guide to Latex (or something). Google lshort.pdf or lshort2.pdf. I don't remember what Latex's equivalent to CPAN is called at the moment.

I have the violet 'latex companion'. Good book too. It's not a reference like the latter.

[theferenc]

I don't remember what Latex's equivalent to CPAN is called at the moment.

CTAN, actually.

Pretty good book, that, though I don't think it's the best introduction to the system.

Really? I actually find it quite approachable. But then, I think man pages are incredibly useful, as well. I guess I'm just a bit overtrained...

[Minskleip]

CTAN, actually.



Really? I actually find it quite approachable. But then, I think man pages are incredibly useful, as well. I guess I'm just a bit overtrained...

Yes, thanks. These acronyms.. R has CRAN haha