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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:01:28 »
oh my god...

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:05:24 »
That's someone's Holy Grail right there. Too bad it got posted in great finds... :))
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:08:57 »
Too bad is right. I really want one of these but I don't think I can compete with very many here.  :-X

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:35:37 »
That's someone's Holy Grail right there. Too bad it got posted in great finds... :))

There's no way this wasn't showing up here.
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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:45:52 »
That's someone's Holy Grail right there. Too bad it got posted in great finds... :))

There's no way this wasn't showing up here.

But why? :'(

My hopes are smashed.
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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 09:50:13 »
That's someone's Holy Grail right there. Too bad it got posted in great finds... :))

There's no way this wasn't showing up here.

But why? :'(

My hopes are smashed.

You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:08:24 »
Oh. My. God. 

By the way, is that a custom detachable cord modification?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:09:10 »
5+ hour travel time? Would be well worth it. But I better stay away from the M and focus on the F. Way better for my wallet. Anyway, this one will sell for a ridiculous price for sure!


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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:09:11 »
Oh. My. God. 

By the way, is that a custom detachable cord modification?

I'm thinking thats just an SDL slot...

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:17:40 »
That's someone's Holy Grail right there. Too bad it got posted in great finds... :))

There's no way this wasn't showing up here.

But why? :'(

My hopes are smashed.

It doesn't really matter whether item gets posted here.
I think everyone can go ebay and search "Model M".

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:18:46 »
Oh. My. God. 

By the way, is that a custom detachable cord modification?

I'm thinking thats just an SDL slot...

I did not think that Lexmark made any detachable Model M's and what seems like free space on the edges is throwing me off.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:51:54 »
It doesn't really matter whether item gets posted here.
I think everyone can go ebay and search "Model M".
To be fair, an ebay search for "Model M" turns up over five thousand results.

But yeah, when I saw this pop up in my followed searches for Model M SSK part numbers, I knew it was going to go for a Pythonesquely quite silly amount a fair sum, and I'm sure more than a few people around here follow a similar search.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:56:34 »
Get out the popcorn indeed.

What has it been, a year (or 2?) since one of these turned up on ebay?


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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 10:59:31 »
Get out the popcorn indeed.

What has it been, a year (or 2?) since one of these turned up on ebay?
Quite a while indeed. Do you think it clears one bitcoin in price?


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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:08:02 »
I bet $650

I dunno man, normal SSK's have been going for $400 recently, would be surprised if this gets double that.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:08:25 »
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:39:58 »
I asked him for some less obscure photos - and this was his reply:

'I'm sorry I do not have any other means other than a camera phone. There are no deep scratches or cracks. It's just a little dirty. Sorry and thanks for interest.'


there are no DEEP scratches? does that mean that there are scratches?
can this guy be any more vague? He could easily just take it out into the sun where, even with a crappy camera, you could still get a much clearer view of the board.
what this tells us - it has scratches, basically, and he wants to take the most obscure photo to hide these defects.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:47:17 »
oh ****, thisone.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:48:35 »
I dunno man, normal SSK's have been going for $400 recently, would be surprised if this gets double that.

Scarcity is one thing, and pure lust is another. The industrial boards are certainly way scarce, if that is driving it.

Look at the regular Model Ms - if the industrials are going for 10x the price of the standards, this one going at double or triple would be entirely plausible.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:48:59 »
Ew it's dirty and scratched and what an ugly color.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:49:16 »
Well, it's up to $100 and we have another person doing the "bid every two seconds until I'm on top" just like with the recent fullsize industrial listing.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:49:54 »
* jwaz bids 666

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:51:51 »
btw, seems like MORE indy ssk is popping up.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 11:59:12 »
Well, it's up to $100 and we have another person doing the "bid every two seconds until I'm on top" just like with the recent fullsize industrial listing.


What you are seeing is automatic bidding from the person setting their 'max bid'. So if you bid and it's less than that persons max bid, it will automatically outbid you. It's not the person literally sitting there doing that.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:02:24 »
Well, it's up to $100 and we have another person doing the "bid every two seconds until I'm on top" just like with the recent fullsize industrial listing.


What you are seeing is automatic bidding from the person setting their 'max bid'. So if you bid and it's less than that persons max bid, it will automatically outbid you. It's not the person literally sitting there doing that.

I thought it was determined the last time that it literally WAS a person sitting there doing that. My understanding is that automatic incremental bids don't show up in the history. Only the final automatic bid, or in this case, manual bids.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:06:17 »
Looks like $1000 may not take it home since its over $400 already.  :rolleyes:

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:06:44 »
already over 400$...

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:06:52 »
Well, it's up to $100 and we have another person doing the "bid every two seconds until I'm on top" just like with the recent fullsize industrial listing.


What you are seeing is automatic bidding from the person setting their 'max bid'. So if you bid and it's less than that persons max bid, it will automatically outbid you. It's not the person literally sitting there doing that.

Yes, it is.  Or they're using an external tool.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:09:42 »
Well, it's up to $100 and we have another person doing the "bid every two seconds until I'm on top" just like with the recent fullsize industrial listing.


What you are seeing is automatic bidding from the person setting their 'max bid'. So if you bid and it's less than that persons max bid, it will automatically outbid you. It's not the person literally sitting there doing that.

Yes, it is.  Or they're using an external tool.

Bids without auto bids shown: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=171225517180

Bids with auto bids shown: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=171225517180&showauto=true


Yeah, if you look at automatic bids, you will see how the previous to current jumped.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:12:34 »
There is still over 9 days left in the auction.......

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:13:43 »
"Keyboard pulled from a working machine". Where the hell was this "working" - in a cow shed? Not only is the winning bidder going to be losing a lot of cash, but he'll be cleaning for quite a while.


You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

You must not know many Canadians. Why do Americans always assume Canadians are eating poutine all the time? In my entire life, I've never eaten poutine, none of my family has and I've never actually seen another Canadian eat it. That's one of those myths, like Canada is covered in snow in summer, polar bears walk through major Canadian cities and everybody is calling each other a "hoser".

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:15:31 »
"Keyboard pulled from a working machine". Where the hell was this "working" - in a cow shed? Not only is the winning bidder going to be losing a lot of cash, but he'll be cleaning for quite a while.


You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

You must not know many Canadians. Why do Americans always assume Canadians are eating poutine all the time? In my entire life, I've never eaten poutine, none of my family has and I've never actually seen another Canadian eat it. That's one of those myths, like Canada is covered in snow in summer, polar bears walk through major Canadian cities and everybody is calling each other a "hoser".

but the part where you end every sentence with 'eh?', thats true right?

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:16:04 »
"Keyboard pulled from a working machine". Where the hell was this "working" - in a cow shed? Not only is the winning bidder going to be losing a lot of cash, but he'll be cleaning for quite a while.

Maybe it was working in an industrial environment.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:22:15 »
There is still over 9 days left in the auction.......




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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:34:24 »
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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:42:57 »


just gotta stay focused...

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:49:18 »
So my wife called a couple minutes ago and I told her about this keyboard.  She said not a chance in hell are you bidding on that.  But she said if I had a job where I actually used a computer all day she wouldn't have a problem with it.  I guess that means I need to get my ass back in college.
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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 12:51:13 »
So my wife called a couple minutes ago and I told her about this keyboard.  She said not a chance in hell are you bidding on that.  But she said if I had a job where I actually used a computer all day she wouldn't have a problem with it.  I guess that means I need to get my ass back in college.

Bro you can bid on it all day....just remember to stop before you get to $800 :P

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:00:14 »
So my wife called a couple minutes ago and I told her about this keyboard.  She said not a chance in hell are you bidding on that.  But she said if I had a job where I actually used a computer all day she wouldn't have a problem with it.  I guess that means I need to get my ass back in college.

Bro you can bid on it all day....just remember to stop before you get to $800 :P

my luck I would end up taking it at like 699 or something like that.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:10:02 »
That bidding history is already fun to watch.


Someone bidding 400 over the 105 previous bid. That's like saying: time to get serious and scare the low bidders.


Then he gets outbid a few min later. Still 9 days to go.


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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:23:02 »
My, my, my.

This is fun.
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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:28:05 »
The funny thing about it is that it's most likely one of the "Guests" watching this thread who is doing the crazy bidding. Do you even snipe??
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:29:15 »
The seller will never post a decent photo now.
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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:30:26 »
The seller will never post a decent photo now.


Maybe the buyer will. :eek:
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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 13:34:53 »
This is a pretty unique industrial SSK because it has the blue caps.  Too bad you can't really tell the condition of it with the crappy pictures.  With better pictures to prove that it is indeed in good condition, it could fetch even more money for the seller.

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« Reply #50 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:02:11 »
This is a pretty unique industrial SSK because it has the blue caps.  Too bad you can't really tell the condition of it with the crappy pictures.  With better pictures to prove that it is indeed in good condition, it could fetch even more money for the seller.

How many have there been with the blue caps? Would I be right in saying that Webwit has both of them?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:07:20 »
I asked him for some less obscure photos - and this was his reply:

'I'm sorry I do not have any other means other than a camera phone. There are no deep scratches or cracks. It's just a little dirty. Sorry and thanks for interest.'


there are no DEEP scratches? does that mean that there are scratches?
can this guy be any more vague? He could easily just take it out into the sun where, even with a crappy camera, you could still get a much clearer view of the board.
what this tells us - it has scratches, basically, and he wants to take the most obscure photo to hide these defects.

Translation:  I'm too lazy to take any more photos and it's at $400 already, so I don't really care, anyways.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:12:21 »

You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

You must not know many Canadians. Why do Americans always assume Canadians are eating poutine all the time? In my entire life, I've never eaten poutine, none of my family has and I've never actually seen another Canadian eat it. That's one of those myths, like Canada is covered in snow in summer, polar bears walk through major Canadian cities and everybody is calling each other a "hoser".

So many of my illusions about Canadians were just shattered.  Thanks.

And poutine is mostly a Quebec thing, isn't it?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:17:52 »
"Keyboard pulled from a working machine". Where the hell was this "working" - in a cow shed? Not only is the winning bidder going to be losing a lot of cash, but he'll be cleaning for quite a while.


You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

You must not know many Canadians. Why do Americans always assume Canadians are eating poutine all the time? In my entire life, I've never eaten poutine, none of my family has and I've never actually seen another Canadian eat it. That's one of those myths, like Canada is covered in snow in summer, polar bears walk through major Canadian cities and everybody is calling each other a "hoser".

Don't feel bad--people say very similar things about Russia. ...and any other country they don't know well :)
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:22:28 »

You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

You must not know many Canadians. Why do Americans always assume Canadians are eating poutine all the time? In my entire life, I've never eaten poutine, none of my family has and I've never actually seen another Canadian eat it. That's one of those myths, like Canada is covered in snow in summer, polar bears walk through major Canadian cities and everybody is calling each other a "hoser".

So many of my illusions about Canadians were just shattered.  Thanks.

And poutine is mostly a Quebec thing, isn't it?


Yea, mostly Quebec for the poutine. But in Quebec, probably that 90%+ of the population at least tried the poutine once, and a vast majority eat it at least a few times a year. Even McDonald has been selling it here for 20 years.


And it's true that most of Canada has a very hard and cold climate, but most of the population (like 99%) lives near the border with the US (like less than 2 hours by car). So even if we get a good winter every year, it's not the north pole either.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:24:42 »
"Keyboard pulled from a working machine". Where the hell was this "working" - in a cow shed? Not only is the winning bidder going to be losing a lot of cash, but he'll be cleaning for quite a while.


You know some Canadians.....just bypass ebay, slip the guy some poutine and get a deal at the same time.

You must not know many Canadians. Why do Americans always assume Canadians are eating poutine all the time? In my entire life, I've never eaten poutine, none of my family has and I've never actually seen another Canadian eat it. That's one of those myths, like Canada is covered in snow in summer, polar bears walk through major Canadian cities and everybody is calling each other a "hoser".

Don't feel bad--people say very similar things about Russia. ...and any other country they don't know well :)

You mean like iri only eats potatoes and drinks vodka?

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:28:48 »
I'm sure he does  ;)  Vodka mixed with kefir.
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« Reply #57 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:29:38 »
I'm sure he does  ;)  Vodka mixed with kefir.

Yes can't forget the kefir.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:32:49 »
holy ****

multiply $400 of SSK with $400 of industrial with whatever the blue caps are and you have the final price :))

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:40:09 »
already over 400$...
Yes, that escalated quickly.

Oh. My. God. 

By the way, is that a custom detachable cord modification?

I'm thinking thats just an SDL slot...

I did not think that Lexmark made any detachable Model M's and what seems like free space on the edges is throwing me off.

They made a few.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:43:23 »
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 06:06:42 »
Holy sheet

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 17:35:22 »
It looks filthy and the pictures are terribly bad but... Is it normal that you can't even see the "numpad" numbering that SSKs typically have on the keys 789 / uio / jkl / m<> etc.?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 17:41:24 »
It looks filthy and the pictures are terribly bad but... Is it normal that you can't even see the "numpad" numbering that SSKs typically have on the keys 789 / uio / jkl / m<> etc.?

You don't see it because it's not there.  The Industrial SSK's with the blue keys do not have side legends on the embedded numberpad keys.

Though the functionality is still there.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 22:09:08 »
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/electronics-recycling/22291-old-ibm-keyboards.html

Aha, aha, ahahahahahaha...

"Heres the one that got saved... Lets see what happens all"

XD

These are the guys disassembling the SSKs, tossing the plastics in the recycling bin, and scraping the traces off of the mylar sheets for recovery.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 23:43:52 »
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/electronics-recycling/22291-old-ibm-keyboards.html

Aha, aha, ahahahahahaha...

"Heres the one that got saved... Lets see what happens all"

XD

These are the guys disassembling the SSKs, tossing the plastics in the recycling bin, and scraping the traces off of the mylar sheets for recovery.

Ouch!
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 23:49:59 »
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/electronics-recycling/22291-old-ibm-keyboards.html

Aha, aha, ahahahahahaha...

"Heres the one that got saved... Lets see what happens all"

XD

These are the guys disassembling the SSKs, tossing the plastics in the recycling bin, and scraping the traces off of the mylar sheets for recovery.

oh god

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 05:08:58 »
Eugh.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 05:17:29 »
 Lol "you may end up with a record price for a keyboard".

If they only knew....

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 09:07:43 »
"Keyboard pulled from a working machine". Where the hell was this "working" - in a cow shed? Not only is the winning bidder going to be losing a lot of cash, but he'll be cleaning for quite a while.

Maybe it was working in an industrial environment.

Either way, these clean up easy.

You're right. It looks like it was connected to an automotive diagnostic machine. So no cow **** to clean up then - just grease.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 10:05:03 »
TIL -- put in a standing order at the local scrap metal yards.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:44:42 »
Holy shnikies! It's up to $800.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:50:51 »

Look at the regular Model Ms - if the industrials are going for 10x the price of the standards, this one going at double or triple would be entirely plausible.


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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:34:20 »
Odd, I don't see the Korean bidding agencies yet.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:36:32 »
Holy shnikies! It's up to $800.

Gooood.....gooood.....

But I don't want to know how many those guys stripping down electronics have thrown out over the years.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:35:21 »
I didn't know you folks were talking about this one. I'm the lunatic that boosted it to $800 (I was curious); I'm debating how high I want to go.
--> I know the present autobidder is set to $800.

And for the record, I'm surprised a lot of the new-comers here are shocked at the prices for these things. Webwit paid $800 or so for an Industrial F XT-- and just a few days ago one went for $51.

And what about the M15s that went for $1500?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:40:59 »
I didn't know you folks were talking about this one. I'm the lunatic that boosted it to $800 (I was curious); I'm debating how high I want to go.
--> I know the present autobidder is set to $800.

And for the record, I'm surprised a lot of the new-comers here are shocked at the prices for these things. Webwit paid $800 or so for an Industrial F XT-- and just a few days ago one went for $51.

And what about the M15s that went for $1500?

It wasn't an F and the top bidder dropped out so it went for less.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:41:24 »
I didn't know you folks were talking about this one. I'm the lunatic that boosted it to $800 (I was curious); I'm debating how high I want to go.
--> I know the present autobidder is set to $800.

And for the record, I'm surprised a lot of the new-comers here are shocked at the prices for these things. Webwit paid $800 or so for an Industrial F XT-- and just a few days ago one went for $51.

And what about the M15s that went for $1500?

For what it's worth, the Industrial F XT that sold a few days ago wasn't the capacitive buckling spring variant.  Having said that, I think most people are also over the M15 craze a few years back.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:44:42 »
It wasn't an F and the top bidder dropped out so it went for less.

Okay so my suspicions were correct, it was a 'domer like the one Webwit bought. For $800. :p
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:53:27 »
It wasn't an F and the top bidder dropped out so it went for less.

Okay so my suspicions were correct, it was a 'domer like the one Webwit bought. For $800. :p

The one webwit has photos of on his website looks like it has OAK switches. side view

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 23:19:07 »
It wasn't an F and the top bidder dropped out so it went for less.

Okay so my suspicions were correct, it was a 'domer like the one Webwit bought. For $800. :p

The one webwit has photos of on his website looks like it has OAK switches. side view

I stand corrected good sir.

Regarding the scrap metal forums post, that's hilarious.

--> I was the one who boosted it to $548. If I didn't, it would have just remained at like $200. The guy who got it was (presumably) a German collector. Poor guy... he's going to have to pay a lot for shipping.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 23:29:17 »
And for the record, I'm surprised a lot of the new-comers here are shocked at the prices for these things. Webwit paid $800 or so for an Industrial F XT-- and just a few days ago one went for $51.

And what about the M15s that went for $1500?

I know the industrial Ms go for several times more than standard Ms. Everyone knows that. What I'm so shocked about is how much the price has risen for the standard models. Standard SSKs in fair to very good condition are regularly going for over $300 and up to $500 now. I bought a NIB for $140 and another in "like new" condition for $170 right around May or June of last year. One was found on Craigslist and the other was from Ebay.

I'm also surprised at how these auctions are being bid up very quickly when several days are left on them. It may weed out the less serious bidders but it also reduces the chance of you getting it a better price.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 23:45:19 »
Once I bought an SSK for $30 on ebay.  Best of all it was a local pick up from 1 mile from my home.  It was in very, very good condition.  The most I paid was a NIB SSK with box and all for $350.  I don't think it is truly NIB, but it smells new still.  Other SSKs with unique print keycaps I paid between $120 to $200.  The best thing about Model M is they can all look like new after a good cleaning.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 23:46:04 »
And for the record, I'm surprised a lot of the new-comers here are shocked at the prices for these things. Webwit paid $800 or so for an Industrial F XT-- and just a few days ago one went for $51.

And what about the M15s that went for $1500?

I know the industrial Ms go for several times more than standard Ms. Everyone knows that. What I'm so shocked about is how much the price has risen for the standard models. Standard SSKs in fair to very good condition are regularly going for over $300 and up to $500 now. I bought a NIB for $140 and another in "like new" condition for $170 right around May or June of last year. One was found on Craigslist and the other was from Ebay.

I'm also surprised at how these auctions are being bid up very quickly when several days are left on them. It may weed out the less serious bidders but it also reduces the chance of you getting it a better price.

Well that's because I *don't* wait at the last moment. I just dump a huge bid then and there. I did that with some other IBM and Roland stuff.

For this thing, I need some time to think as to if I really want to spend over a grand on a piece of alternatively coloured plastic. I sort of would rather have a full one than an SSK (I already have a stupid SSK). Ehhhh whatever. We'll see.

I know if I don't boost the bid, no one else will.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 23:51:49 »
It's a very unique and rare board and in the current market $800 is a good price. I hope it stays there! I really want to see that puppy cleaned up like new...like Litster said.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 00:37:42 »
It's a very unique and rare board and in the current market $800 is a good price. I hope it stays there! I really want to see that puppy cleaned up like new...like Litster said.

There are a few problems with this keyboard.
First and foremost is that it's not a standard SDL connector (I'm surprised no one other than myself bothered to look at the pins).
Next up there is *no* integrated numpad functionality. Forget it. It's some weird terminal board.

Finally, when I get this POS, I'm swapping out its guts and putting in my '91 IBM ones. Uhhh, after it has been cleaned.

The existing controller on this SSK is probably for some terminal junk.

EDIT: and I'm probably going to remove all of the blue keys except the arrow ones

EDIT 2: Then I'll need a controller to replace the industrial SSK guts to make my regular SSK work with a normal computer again. I guess I could painstakingly develop a controller, but it would have to be PS/2 because... I use these keyboards with old crappy Personal System/2s. Or I guess I could boltmod it with USB and then sell it and buy a regular SSK once again...
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:18:29 by EverythingIBM »
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:19:24 »
EDIT: and I'm probably going to remove all of the blue keys except the arrow ones
Give them to me when you do.

about the controller, I think a normal model M controller will work. I haven't looked at an ssk matrix in depth though. You wont get the embedded numpad, but you won`'t have had that anyway.

about the sdl: I cant see the pins at all (wrong angle). All I see are the the retention springs that help to hold the connector in place. There's a decent chance it's normal PS/2.
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:21:23 by dorkvader »

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:33:42 »
about the sdl: I cant see the pins at all (wrong angle). All I see are the the retention springs that help to hold the connector in place. There's a decent chance it's normal PS/2.

Same here. I don't see the pins either. I think the board looks pretty cool the way it is. If the controller and the pin-out work as-is I'd clean it and keep it original, but it's your board...almost. ;)
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 06:37:26 »
This auction shocks me.  It's over $800 now.  All we have here is a different colored plastic with some blue caps.   It's later model SSK made by Lexmark, so it will not have as thick of a plate as older Model M's, and, consequently, a worse feel than earlier Model M's.

Then we have a nice bolt mod SSK available on Ebay for $325 flat, lower than the recent selling price, from a guy that loves Model's M, has done plenty of bolt mods, cleans them meticulously, offers a return period, and stands behind his product.  It's a great board.  You could buy it and paint the darn thing to the color of your choice.


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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 08:20:08 »
This auction shocks me.  It's over $800 now.  All we have here is a different colored plastic with some blue caps.   It's later model SSK made by Lexmark, so it will not have as thick of a plate as older Model M's, and, consequently, a worse feel than earlier Model M's.

Then we have a nice bolt mod SSK available on Ebay for $325 flat, lower than the recent selling price, from a guy that loves Model's M, has done plenty of bolt mods, cleans them meticulously, offers a return period, and stands behind his product.  It's a great board.  You could buy it and paint the darn thing to the color of your choice.

And don't forget the lack of integrated numpad functionality!
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 08:20:43 »
And don't forget the lack of integrated numpad functionality!

It has integrated numpad functionality.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 08:45:18 »
about the controller, I think a normal model M controller will work. I haven't looked at an ssk matrix in depth though. You wont get the embedded numpad, but you won`'t have had that anyway.

about the sdl: I cant see the pins at all (wrong angle). All I see are the the retention springs that help to hold the connector in place. There's a decent chance it's normal PS/2.

The matrix for the SSK is the same as one for a fullsize M as if you had chopped off the numpad and reconnected the cut traces.

Doesn't matter in this case though as this is the standard SDL connector and standard SSK controller inside.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:15:40 »
http://www.scrapmetalforum.com/electronics-recycling/22291-old-ibm-keyboards.html

Aha, aha, ahahahahahaha...

"Heres the one that got saved... Lets see what happens all"

XD

These are the guys disassembling the SSKs, tossing the plastics in the recycling bin, and scraping the traces off of the mylar sheets for recovery.

That thread is hilarious.  Those guys had no idea what they were getting into.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 13:47:53 »
And don't forget the lack of integrated numpad functionality!

It has integrated numpad functionality.

I don't believe it does. This SSK I have right now lacks the numpad characters and I was told the numpad features didn't work. Like that industrial one, this SSK was also meant for some alternative terminal junk.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 13:58:27 »
It depends.  The numpad feature is all in the controller.  If you have the right controller in it, it will work. 

I have a couple of SSKs that have custom keycaps on them and the numpad feature still works on them even though some of the caps are replaced with custom caps and don't have the numpad numbers printed on them.  I also have another SSK that has a controller from a full size Model M, and that SSK doesn't have the numpad feature as expected.

The auction winner will be able to tell us :-).

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 14:39:13 »
And don't forget the lack of integrated numpad functionality!

It has integrated numpad functionality.

I don't believe it does. This SSK I have right now lacks the numpad characters and I was told the numpad features didn't work. Like that industrial one, this SSK was also meant for some alternative terminal junk.

According to clickykeyboards it does: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9523/subcatid/0/id/169994

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 15:34:07 »
And don't forget the lack of integrated numpad functionality!

It has integrated numpad functionality.

I don't believe it does. This SSK I have right now lacks the numpad characters and I was told the numpad features didn't work. Like that industrial one, this SSK was also meant for some alternative terminal junk.

According to clickykeyboards it does: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9523/subcatid/0/id/169994

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?

Yeah I tried, doesn't work.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 15:42:39 »

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?

Yeah I tried, doesn't work.
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You didn't happen to get that keyboard from Kishy did you?

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 15:43:39 »
Okay before someone calls me a nutter, this is the weird brian o'neil special. I guess he really did swap on a regular M badge to this weird SSK?
Anyways, he probably threw in a regular controller too, I never bothered to analyze it closely.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #99 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 15:44:26 »

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?

Yeah I tried, doesn't work.
Part 1394540
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1394540 is not an SSK part number, it's a RS/6000 keyboard;  Link

You didn't happen to get that keyboard from Kishy did you?



Yep that would be the one ;)
I still have to get around to bolt modding it and removing the epoxy.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:12:50 »
This auction shocks me.  It's over $800 now.  All we have here is a different colored plastic with some blue caps.   It's later model SSK made by Lexmark, so it will not have as thick of a plate as older Model M's, and, consequently, a worse feel than earlier Model M's.

Then we have a nice bolt mod SSK available on Ebay for $325 flat, lower than the recent selling price, from a guy that loves Model's M, has done plenty of bolt mods, cleans them meticulously, offers a return period, and stands behind his product.  It's a great board.  You could buy it and paint the darn thing to the color of your choice.




I don't keep up with M's like I used to because I have all the Ms I need now, but don't the full size Industrial Ms typically go for north of $500-700? If so, $800 for an Industrial SSK isn't that bad. Is it a little silly to pay that much more for a different color? Sure, that's why you wont see me bidding on one (at those prices), but that's where the market has been for quite a while. Much longer than the inflated prices you are seeing for the standard SSKs (which really shocks me.) $325 for a standard SSK is crazy high!
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:20:53 »
Recent post from the seller:
"$810 us and i've had private offers the entire time... last one 900 US and to go to germany.... lol this is nuts"

Private offers for $900? Wow. :eek:
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:43:43 »

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?

Yeah I tried, doesn't work.
Part 1394540
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1394540 is not an SSK part number, it's a RS/6000 keyboard;  Link

You didn't happen to get that keyboard from Kishy did you?



Yep that would be the one ;)
I still have to get around to bolt modding it and removing the epoxy.

Yeah, it's a rarekeyboardstore special. Hacked together out of a fullsize controller with the rest of a terminal unit, and he obviously peeled the sticker off the nearest fullsize spare back he had which was itself also wrong.

And to the user (no longer active here, but maybe you're watching) who I acquired that from, none of the terms or implied terms of our agreement were broken by how EIBM got it from me.

As for the $900 nonsense, this is just silly. Some people have way too much spare money. I really hope for the buyer's sake that someone lost a couple hundred dollars inside it to compensate for grossly overpaying for such a mediocre item...
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:50:08 »

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?

Yeah I tried, doesn't work.
Part 1394540
ID 5033919

1394540 is not an SSK part number, it's a RS/6000 keyboard;  Link

You didn't happen to get that keyboard from Kishy did you?



Yep that would be the one ;)
I still have to get around to bolt modding it and removing the epoxy.

Yeah, it's a rarekeyboardstore special. Hacked together out of a fullsize controller with the rest of a terminal unit, and he obviously peeled the sticker off the nearest fullsize spare back he had which was itself also wrong.

And to the user (no longer active here, but maybe you're watching) who I acquired that from, none of the terms or implied terms of our agreement were broken by how EIBM got it from me.

As for the $900 nonsense, this is just silly. Some people have way too much spare money. I really hope for the buyer's sake that someone lost a couple hundred dollars inside it to compensate for grossly overpaying for such a mediocre item...



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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:03:21 »

What's the model on the SSK you have?  Have you tried the shift+scroll lock on your keyboard to see if it activates the embedded numpad?

Yeah I tried, doesn't work.
Part 1394540
ID 5033919

1394540 is not an SSK part number, it's a RS/6000 keyboard;  Link

You didn't happen to get that keyboard from Kishy did you?



Yep that would be the one ;)
I still have to get around to bolt modding it and removing the epoxy.

Yeah, it's a rarekeyboardstore special. Hacked together out of a fullsize controller with the rest of a terminal unit, and he obviously peeled the sticker off the nearest fullsize spare back he had which was itself also wrong.

And to the user (no longer active here, but maybe you're watching) who I acquired that from, none of the terms or implied terms of our agreement were broken by how EIBM got it from me.

As for the $900 nonsense, this is just silly. Some people have way too much spare money. I really hope for the buyer's sake that someone lost a couple hundred dollars inside it to compensate for grossly overpaying for such a mediocre item...

Since we are talking price here do you mind telling us what you think the fair market prices are (in general) for Model Ms? Standard, SSK, and Industrial variants assuming all are in good to very good condition. I've asked before in the "What's it Worth" thread with no help. It seems like not too long ago (within the last 2 years for sure) these were the prices:

Full size used: $40-$50
Full size NIB (from Clickykeyboard) $85-$95
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay
Full size Industrial: $400-$650
SSK Industrial: ???
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:12:21 »
I knew it-- there's those german collectors. A german collector bought the full sized one. Could be the same guy now wanting an SSK. I hope he doesn't pull the auction to sell it to him.

Collectors are clocked in the head. Buying something to never use doesn't make sense. Especially model Ms since even one can basically last a person's lifetime without any maintenance....

If I get this thing, it's being connected to a very unique computer which is probably just as much as the stupid keyboard.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:43:41 »
I knew it-- there's those german collectors. A german collector bought the full sized one. Could be the same guy now wanting an SSK. I hope he doesn't pull the auction to sell it to him.

Collectors are clocked in the head. Buying something to never use doesn't make sense. Especially model Ms since even one can basically last a person's lifetime without any maintenance....

If I get this thing, it's being connected to a very unique computer which is probably just as much as the stupid keyboard.

Whaddya got?  Gearbox maybe?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:10:07 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:21:56 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

Have you been watching the prices for more than 8 months? That's what they were going for then. According to your profile you only got into the game in October of last year.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:23:30 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

Have you been watching the prices for more than 8 months? That's what they were going for then. According to your profile you only got into the game in October of last year.
@_@ I think he has been collecting for much longer...

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:25:12 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

Have you been watching the prices for more than 8 months? That's what they were going for then. According to your profile you only got into the game in October of last year.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131104268976
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231144189905
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/2-x-ssk-s-t7352.html

Good luck, that's all I'm saying.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:26:20 »
Since we are talking price here do you mind telling us what you think the fair market prices are (in general) for Model Ms? Standard, SSK, and Industrial variants assuming all are in good to very good condition. I've asked before in the "What's it Worth" thread with no help. It seems like not too long ago (within the last 2 years for sure) these were the prices:

Full size used: $40-$50
Full size NIB (from Clickykeyboard) $85-$95
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay
Full size Industrial: $400-$650
SSK Industrial: ???

Well, regardless of my thoughts on the subject, they're worth what people will pay. I just don't understand the mindset of someone who would spend upwards of $500 on a keyboard that, while uncommon, has no differentiating qualities to justify the expense. If they have an IBM industrial computer that needs a keyboard and they want the right one for authenticity, OK, I could see that. Functionally, they are no different from a normal SSK (and depending on your perspective, a 101).

I couldn't pinpoint exact values for you...by most indications I "underpaid" for all of mine by outrageous amounts (the original so-called Kishsaver for $13 for example - I think my full size oval logo industrial worked out to 40 something), but I do know that this particular auction is just ridiculous. Perhaps with a currency exchange it isn't so bad in Euros (900 = 658, not sure if that's considered expensive in Euros or not as economies vary).

Your estimates were mostly accurate as of 2ish years ago and are typical ranges when there aren't a lot on the market. I suspect instant demand (vs the long, drawn out continual sort that is more patient to wait for a good price) has gone up due to what I perceive as increased interest in mech boards and the hobby itself.

Which is a long way of saying "idk brah".
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:34:52 »
The current price is insane on this!

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:39:31 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

Have you been watching the prices for more than 8 months? That's what they were going for then. According to your profile you only got into the game in October of last year.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131104268976
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231144189905
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/2-x-ssk-s-t7352.html

Good luck, that's all I'm saying.

I know what they are currently going for. My point is that these current prices are way above what they were only a few months ago and that people need to stop paying high prices so the market comes back down to reality. Here is one from July of last year: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161056547315?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D161056547315%26_rdc%3D1
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:42:02 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

Have you been watching the prices for more than 8 months? That's what they were going for then. According to your profile you only got into the game in October of last year.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131104268976
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231144189905
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/2-x-ssk-s-t7352.html

Good luck, that's all I'm saying.

I know what they are currently going for. My point is that these current prices are way above what they were only a few months ago and that people need to stop paying high prices so the market comes back down to reality. Here is one from July of last year: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161056547315?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D161056547315%26_rdc%3D1

I blame the Democrats.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:48:24 »
LOL, well played.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #116 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:53:56 »
SSK: $90-$170 tops on ebay
SSK NIB: $200-$300 ebay

Lol, good luck.

Have you been watching the prices for more than 8 months? That's what they were going for then. According to your profile you only got into the game in October of last year.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131104268976
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231144189905
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/2-x-ssk-s-t7352.html

Good luck, that's all I'm saying.

I know what they are currently going for. My point is that these current prices are way above what they were only a few months ago and that people need to stop paying high prices so the market comes back down to reality. Here is one from July of last year: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161056547315?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D161056547315%26_rdc%3D1
To be fair
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 19:02:12 »
It wasn't hard replacing the spring and the board was like new otherwise. Spotless actually. In much better shape than those dirty things that are going for double or more. Not even one broken rivet and it's from 87 with the heavier steel plate.
« Last Edit: Wed, 29 January 2014, 19:11:31 by smknjoe »
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 19:09:31 »
It wasn't hard replacing the spring and the board was like new otherwise. Spotless actually.
I know it wouldn't be, but some less experienced people aren't going to bid on something they don't know how to fix. I am sure not all the people who bid on old ibm keyboards possess the same knowledge and skill about keyboards as your average GH member.

I am not going to say that that is the price people would pay for it today though, just making that clear.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 19:20:14 »
You can justify the high prices all you want, but the fact is that they were going for half or less just months ago. Go search ebay and see what they sold for pre-August of last year. They were rarely over 200 unless NIB.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 19:21:55 »
You can justify the high prices all you want, but the fact is that they were going for half or less just months ago. Go search ebay and see what they sold for pre-August of last year. They were rarely over 200 unless NIB.
I am not justifying the prices one bit.... I have been watching them for awhile as well and I can't believe how expensive they are getting recently...

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« Reply #121 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 20:03:23 »
In this case, the free market is not maximizing social welfare.

Or, as some people on The Internet once asked, Problem?
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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 20:10:29 »
What does welfare have to do with it? The current market prices have been artificially inflated by people overbidding early in the auction forcing people to overpay. The supply is greater than it has been in the last two years yet the prices are higher than ever. They are popping up for sale constantly on ebay now.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #123 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 20:24:07 »
What does welfare have to do with it?
Hmm. If there is a lot of shill bidding or preemptive bidding, it could temporarily drive up people's valuations of the item, but assuming the winner isn't bidding more than his true valuation, you're just transferring more of the surplus to the seller. It might still be an efficient outcome assuming the person with the highest valuation gets the item.

At this point, it seems like demand still outpaces supply, and the increase in market price could help spread awareness / information on the supply side, which might in turn expand supply.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #124 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 20:26:41 »
What does welfare have to do with it? The current market prices have been artificially inflated by people overbidding early in the auction forcing people to overpay. The supply is greater than it has been in the last two years yet the prices are higher than ever. They are popping up for sale constantly on ebay now.
Nobody is forcing anybody to bid more, that is their own decision to make. If someone can afford to pay the insane price these go for and they they are happy with it, that is what is going to happen.

I have never owned or sold an SSK before, I have no reason to say these prices are fair or that is what they should go for. But that is how it is right now I am afraid. The same goes for clacks as far as I am concerned. Many people say they sell for too much even though they still end up buying them for hundreds a piece, complaining about it isn't helping.

Although if you really want an SSK but won't pay the current prices you are pretty sol.

EDIT: And ebay is a terrible place to get an SSK, try taobao if you want to save a lot of money.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #125 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 20:52:28 »
What does welfare have to do with it? The current market prices have been artificially inflated by people overbidding early in the auction forcing people to overpay. The supply is greater than it has been in the last two years yet the prices are higher than ever. They are popping up for sale constantly on ebay now.
Nobody is forcing anybody to bid more, that is their own decision to make. If someone can afford to pay the insane price these go for and they they are happy with it, that is what is going to happen.

I have never owned or sold an SSK before, I have no reason to say these prices are fair or that is what they should go for. But that is how it is right now I am afraid. The same goes for clacks as far as I am concerned. Many people say they sell for too much even though they still end up buying them for hundreds a piece, complaining about it isn't helping.

Although if you really want an SSK but won't pay the current prices you are pretty sol.

EDIT: And ebay is a terrible place to get an SSK, try taobao if you want to save a lot of money.

Considering I never paid much for any of my keyboards (Got a lot free). It's not so bad...
Although I would prefer it if this thing wasn't an SSK so it could have LEDs, but oh well. At least it takes up less realestate. I think it would look nice having red LED backlighting.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #126 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 21:22:37 »
What does welfare have to do with it? The current market prices have been artificially inflated by people overbidding early in the auction forcing people to overpay. The supply is greater than it has been in the last two years yet the prices are higher than ever. They are popping up for sale constantly on ebay now.

I think the supply is greater right now because people are seeing what they are going for and deciding to sell them.

And I just sold my car.  I'm getting in on the bidding.  Watch out!
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #128 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 09:40:42 »
With $800, I'd rather buy another IBM 3278 beam spring with APL keycaps, an über clicky magnetic Univac F-1355-00 and a "super ALPS" magnetic reed switch keyboard. I'd probably still have money left over to buy my wife some flowers to apologize.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 10:02:18 »
I really don't get it.. why hate on the buyers? I'm expecting this board to end up around the 1200 mark, and if I had the money, I'd take it in a heartbeat, but I don't. To some, it's worth what they're bidding, and thus they bid.

Really, all I'm seeing here is a lot of butthurt. Chill out guys. Sit back, and watch the bidding.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 10:13:47 »
Hum, rarity ... but at this price, why not make a custom case? All SS or titanium? Hum...
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 10:34:27 »
but at this price, why not make a custom case? All SS or titanium? Hum...

There you go!

An all-metal case for a Model M/F would be awesome. If aluminum, it could be anodized. I would get far more excited about that than a plastic industrial.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #132 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 10:35:39 »
but at this price, why not make a custom case? All SS or titanium? Hum...

There you go!

An all-metal case for a Model M/F would be awesome. If aluminum, it could be anodized. I would get far more excited about that than a plastic industrial.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 11:42:47 »
but at this price, why not make a custom case? All SS or titanium? Hum...

There you go!

An all-metal case for a Model M/F would be awesome. If aluminum, it could be anodized. I would get far more excited about that than a plastic industrial.

That's another reason I'd go for a beam spring instead - thick metal case. (handy protection against heavy machine-gun fire)

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 13:20:49 »
With $800, I'd rather buy another IBM 3278 beam spring with APL keycaps, an über clicky magnetic Univac F-1355-00 and a "super ALPS" magnetic reed switch keyboard. I'd probably still have money left over to buy my wife some flowers to apologize.

I don't know, the beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F buckling springs. I suppose they would be a lot more interesting if the solenoids fired with each key press.
Another thing that can be disturbing is the nonstandard layout. It'll require a lot more to tame than an F AT.
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« Reply #135 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 13:26:37 »
beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F

I am always perplexed that people always talk about "sound"

For me, sound is generally a negative, "feel" is what is supremely important.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 13:28:23 »
I don't know, the beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F buckling springs. I suppose they would be a lot more interesting if the solenoids fired with each key press.
Another thing that can be disturbing is the nonstandard layout. It'll require a lot more to tame than an F AT.

xwhatsit is working on solenoid support.

With a few keys shifted around, I made the layout very similar to how I had it on the AT Model F.


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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 13:30:20 »
beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F

I am always perplexed that people always talk about "sound"

For me, sound is generally a negative, "feel" is what is supremely important.

On these keyboards sound can be used as an indicator when something is amiss on the structure or inner workings of said keyboards.  Less so with the MX and torpe switches but very much so on buckling and beam springs.

Plus a lot of people like the audible feed back.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 14:03:29 »
beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F

I am always perplexed that people always talk about "sound"

For me, sound is generally a negative, "feel" is what is supremely important.

I *love* the variable spring resonance on Model F keyboards (and earlier Ms do it too, although not nearly as prominent). Each type you strike a key, you get a different frequency, and it can sound very nice having all of the springs shower a wave of different frequencies.

--> if all buckling springs were silent, the experience wouldn't be as invigorating. And with Model F switches, you can actually "feel" the spring under the key cap.

I mean, I don't deny that beamsprings feel good; but I probably wouldn't enjoy them as much. I personally think an industrial SSK is higher on the cool factor. *runs and hides*
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 15:08:02 »
beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F

I am always perplexed that people always talk about "sound"

For me, sound is generally a negative, "feel" is what is supremely important.

I *love* the variable spring resonance on Model F keyboards (and earlier Ms do it too, although not nearly as prominent). Each type you strike a key, you get a different frequency, and it can sound very nice having all of the springs shower a wave of different frequencies.

--> if all buckling springs were silent, the experience wouldn't be as invigorating. And with Model F switches, you can actually "feel" the spring under the key cap.

I mean, I don't deny that beamsprings feel good; but I probably wouldn't enjoy them as much. I personally think an industrial SSK is higher on the cool factor. *runs and hides*

No need to run and hide.  Those SSK's are plenty cool and very tempting.  I recently almost bid on that bolt-modded SSK because it was a rare local auction AND bolt mod, and I had enough in my Paypal from recent sales.  Would be a nice accompaniment to my Kishsaver.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 15:16:02 »
beam springs don't make the same sound as the Model F

I am always perplexed that people always talk about "sound"

For me, sound is generally a negative, "feel" is what is supremely important.

Completely agreed.  Audible feedback is nice, but I'd be perfectly happy if it were an order of magnitude quieter. 

For me, the quality of the feel and tactile feedback is much more important - and everything about the IBM Model M/F switches is almost perfect, as far as I'm concerned.  The fact that the tactile feedback is at the exact moment of actuation, the relatively long travel with the actuation point halfway down... it all means that I don't have to pound my fingers into the bottom of the keyboard, which is lower stress and allows me to type faster.
 

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 18:08:41 »
With $800, I'd rather buy another IBM 3278 beam spring with APL keycaps, an über clicky magnetic Univac F-1355-00 and a "super ALPS" magnetic reed switch keyboard. I'd probably still have money left over to buy my wife some flowers to apologize.
$800 will get you a superalps.... if you can find one.


That's another reason I'd go for a beam spring instead - thick metal case. (handy protection against heavy machine-gun fire)
My displaywriter has a plastic case, But it is the black sheep of the beamsprings.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #142 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 06:58:30 »
At $900 with less than two hours left.  Into the homestretch.  What's gonna happen?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #143 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:26:08 »
the big question is, will it hit 1k$ ?

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« Reply #144 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:44:19 »
the big question is, will it hit 1k$ ?

Yes!

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #145 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:45:46 »
$1,125 :eek:
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« Reply #146 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:46:14 »
$1125 hooray! lol
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #147 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:48:26 »
just insane...

wonder if somebody from gh or dt bought it and if it will appear here in a picture thread one day

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #148 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 09:22:49 »
If I remember correctly in the scrap metal thread, this was connect to a Mopar diagnostic machine or something like that.  It would be great if word got around the scrap metal forum or car mechanic forum and a bunch of these started popping up on Ebay.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #149 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 10:51:39 »
Quite a while indeed. Do you think it clears one bitcoin in price?
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #150 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:10:30 »
$1,100 was my max bid-- it was the german fellow that outbid me haha.
I bet if I put $2,000 he would have still went past that.
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« Reply #151 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:16:09 »
$1,100 was my max bid-- it was the german fellow that outbid me haha.
I bet if I put $2,000 he would have still went past that.


Was it snoopy? I recall him wanting one pretty bad :P

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #152 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:24:11 »
$1,100 was my max bid-- it was the german fellow that outbid me haha.
I bet if I put $2,000 he would have still went past that.


Was it snoopy? I recall him wanting one pretty bad :P

haha, I'm currently only student, so can't afford a board with such a price. :D

And even if I could afford it, not sure if I could justify spending so much...

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #153 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:39:40 »
...overbidding early on...it may have gone for less otherwise. Way too much for me to spend but I'm sure the buyer is happy with their purchase.
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« Reply #154 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:56:52 »
...overbidding early on...it may have gone for less otherwise. Way too much for me to spend but I'm sure the buyer is happy with their purchase.

I [could] have boosted the price far beyond that; but I don't think it's worth that much. That, and I really just want a square badge industrial 101 far more.
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« Reply #155 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 20:55:37 »
Incredible! I didn't think it would have broken the $1k barrier.

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« Reply #156 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 21:09:25 »
Incredible! I didn't think it would have broken the $1k barrier.

These items are quite rare. All it takes is 2 buyers with serious lust and equally deep pockets.
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« Reply #157 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 21:26:24 »
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« Reply #158 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 17:05:30 »
...overbidding early on...it may have gone for less otherwise. Way too much for me to spend but I'm sure the buyer is happy with their purchase.

I [could] have boosted the price far beyond that; but I don't think it's worth that much. That, and I really just want a square badge industrial 101 far more.

Could have?  Bid what you are willing to pay.   Anything else is stupid.  Would've been fun to watch you just try to jerk the guy around only to get left holding the bag u didn't want.

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« Reply #159 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 17:22:09 »
...overbidding early on...it may have gone for less otherwise. Way too much for me to spend but I'm sure the buyer is happy with their purchase.

I [could] have boosted the price far beyond that; but I don't think it's worth that much. That, and I really just want a square badge industrial 101 far more.

Could have?  Bid what you are willing to pay.   Anything else is stupid.  Would've been fun to watch you just try to jerk the guy around only to get left holding the bag u didn't want.

I know...he's pretty much admitting to driving the price up artificially. Shill bidding.
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« Reply #160 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 17:44:54 »
It's not shill bidding if you're willing to take the risk of purchasing the item for the higher price. I do this quite often if I get outbid, just out of spite. I try to bid the item up to the new high bidder's maximum bid price.
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« Reply #161 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 17:51:43 »
Shill bidding is defined as "bids on an item with the intent to artificially increase its price or desirability" according to eBay. So, if you are bidding higher just to make someone else pay more you are shill bidding. It doesn't matter if you get stuck with having to pay for it or not.
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« Reply #162 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:02:12 »
Shill bidding is defined as "bids on an item with the intent to artificially increase its price or desirability" according to eBay. So, if you are bidding higher just to make someone else pay more you are shill bidding. It doesn't matter if you get stuck with having to pay for it or not.

It's only shill bidding if you're doing it in conjunction with the seller.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #163 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:06:06 »
Shill bidding is defined as "bids on an item with the intent to artificially increase its price or desirability" according to eBay. So, if you are bidding higher just to make someone else pay more you are shill bidding. It doesn't matter if you get stuck with having to pay for it or not.

It's only shill bidding if you're doing it in conjunction with the seller.

Technically, you are correct. What is it called when the seller is not involved? Bidding it up? I like to use the term "shill bidding" because of it's negative connotation.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #164 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:07:33 »
Shill bidding is defined as "bids on an item with the intent to artificially increase its price or desirability" according to eBay. So, if you are bidding higher just to make someone else pay more you are shill bidding. It doesn't matter if you get stuck with having to pay for it or not.

It's only shill bidding if you're doing it in conjunction with the seller.

Technically, you are correct. What is it called when the seller is not involved? Bidding it up? I like to use the term "shill bidding" because of it's negative connotation.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #165 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:11:09 »
Touche.

I call it being a Richard.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #166 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:30:33 »
It's only shill bidding if you're doing it in conjunction with the seller.

WTF?

People bid to a higher price than they are realistically willing to pay, just to prove a point, or cost someone else extra money?

That is perverse and psychopathic.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #167 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:38:18 »

That is perverse and psychopathic.

That'll teach them to outbid me.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #168 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:20:02 »

That is perverse and psychopathic.

That'll teach them to outbid me.

At least it isn't shill bidding, which is much worse and potentially illegal.

I'd like to clarify that I *don't* do this, but may be perverse and psychopathic in other respects.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #169 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:23:03 »
Oh, it's exactly the same as shill bidding. The only difference is which team you are on.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #170 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:35:08 »
I wish that people would place wanton outrageous bids on the items that I'm selling!

As a buyer, I tend to drop out early if I am not getting a bargain, but as a seller I would welcome crazies to my team.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #171 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 20:31:37 »
Oh, it's exactly the same as shill bidding. The only difference is which team you are on.

When I said it wasn't shill bidding you said I was technical correct - the best kind of correct!

The effect is the same, the legality not so much.  eBay policies against shill bidding result in sanctions against the seller includi.....

ha ha, who am I kidding.  eBay doesn't enforce any of their policies.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #172 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 20:40:45 »
ha ha, who am I kidding.  eBay doesn't enforce any of their policies.

You can say that again!   :D

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #173 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 21:58:02 »

That is perverse and psychopathic.

That'll teach them to outbid me.

Dude.  All you're doing is artificially inflating the market, reducing the chances that you'll be able to buy one in the future at a price that you're more willing to pay.

Not only are you a spiteful psychopath, you're actively working at cross-purposes to your economic interests.s
 

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #174 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 23:04:50 »

Dude.  All you're doing is artificially inflating the market, reducing the chances that you'll be able to buy one in the future at a price that you're more willing to pay.

Not only are you a spiteful psychopath, you're actively working at cross-purposes to your economic interests.s

I don't think I singlehandedly inflated the price of Yashica rangefinder cameras in 2001-2002, but then again maybe it was me.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #175 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 23:14:04 »

Dude.  All you're doing is artificially inflating the market, reducing the chances that you'll be able to buy one in the future at a price that you're more willing to pay.

Not only are you a spiteful psychopath, you're actively working at cross-purposes to your economic interests.s

I don't think I singlehandedly inflated the price of Yashica rangefinder cameras in 2001-2002, but then again maybe it was me.

I've been eBaying since 1998, so I'm probably okay.
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Perhaps I see things froma different perspective than you people here, but I see a huge difference between a shill bid and someone bidding the price up for their own reasons. Callig it "gambling" is indeed a good term for it.

I identify as a non-consequentialist, philosophically.

So if this "gambling" and shill  bidding have the same effect (or consequence) then it matters not to me. All that matters is the motives and intentions that go into it.

A shill bidder is doing something wrong, whereas a "gambler" might be doing something wrong (Not taking an ethical stance either way on that: beyond the scope of the post here) but since they have entirely different motivations then the actions are worlds apart morally, even if they have the same consequence.

Now, if petty revenge is "perverse and psychopathic" or not, That's not for me to say, but I would think it's not as bad as all that, especially since most people do it.

B'sides arguably it's not hurting the buyer at all, for them to pay a higher price: they bid that much in the first place, and were therefore willing to pay that much for it. It also helps the seller, (and yourself, arguably, if you get some satisfaction from saying "so there") so from a utilitarian perspective then it's the only moral course of action.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #176 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 02:20:55 »
It's only shill bidding if you're doing it in conjunction with the seller.

WTF?

People bid to a higher price than they are realistically willing to pay, just to prove a point, or cost someone else extra money?

That is perverse and psychopathic.


To be honest, I don't care how much it cost the guy-- *he* was willing to pay that much, as was I. And for all intents and purposes, due to the fact he tried sniping at the last minute, he's probably enthralled with getting it. And it'll probably be neat once cleaned up.

I just think I should have put my max bid a little higher (to like $1,300). It would have been more invigorating that way. Bidding wars can be pretty fun for me, whether I win or lose.
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #177 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 02:24:52 »

That is perverse and psychopathic.

That'll teach them to outbid me.

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #178 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 06:29:48 »
Nice, you went ahead and bid up the price and then got some nice feelings by posting your price boosting victory on the recycling forum. :)
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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #179 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 06:57:12 »

You've been eBaying longer than I've been alive!


Wait, what?

You are 17?

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Re: IBM Model M Clicky Keyboard 1395682 Space Saver Industrial starting at $40
« Reply #180 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 09:19:48 »
Wait, what?

You are 17?

I misread it as 1988 too. kek