Author Topic: eBay Germany discussion (was: [.de] A few Cherry finds) (Read 85979 times)

keyb_gr · « **on:** Thu, 23 July 2009, 04:32:18 »

Not too many hot deals out there currently, but here's what might be interesting:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=120449466475
Looks like a G80-1000 of some sort. [Ended with no bids.]

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250470686560
Relisted, G80-1000HAD. Some case yellowing.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150360636170
Looks like an old G81-3000.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300331256068
A Peacock Cherry with 1000 case in need of good cleaning. These typically are G81s but with two-shot molded keycaps.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=220454071916
Judging by the weight, this cardreader-equipped model should be a G81.

http://cgi.ebay.de/6-Tastaturen-Cherry-Layout-Deutsch_W0QQitemZ200365390790QQcmdZViewItem
6 partly dirty boards, the ones with Cherry label should be G81s. I wonder who's supposed to buy half a dozen only moderately interesting and dirty boards at a time.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Tastatur-alt-voll-funktionsfaehig_W0QQitemZ260447508620QQcmdZViewItem
OEM G81-3000, ca. 2003...2007

Not a Cherry:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280374208317
Not sure what this is, some early rubber dome? It's missing some keys anyway.

mr-shoeless · « **Reply #1 on:** Mon, 27 July 2009, 22:49:24 »

Is the G81-3000 desirable for some reason? Because I have one and I have to say it is like typing on a baked potato.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 28 July 2009, 04:26:32 »

Quote from: mr-shoeless;104923

Is the G81-3000 desirable for some reason? Because I have one and I have to say it is like typing on a baked potato.

That's not too far off. At least you don't wear them out easily (but beware with liquids).

keyb_gr · « **Reply #3 on:** Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:10:24 »

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250473447906&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
G81-8015LQADE - with smart card reader for home banking application

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300335192405&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
G80-3000HAD "like new". Mine (well-used and obviously not "like new") took me about 2 hours to clean thoroughly.
Seems like he has about 4 of them.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150362628349&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Vintage G80-0681. From the layout I'd guess it's an AT board (or XT/AT selectable) but don't take my word for it.

lowpoly · « **Reply #4 on:** Mon, 03 August 2009, 15:30:19 »

Quote from: keyb_gr;106578

Vintage G80-0681. From the layout I'd guess it's an AT board (or XT/AT selectable) but don't take my word for it.

Thanks for linking this one.

lal · « **Reply #5 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 06:32:37 »

Quote from: lowpoly;106591

Quote
[...G80-0681...]
Thanks for linking this one.

You're going to rescue this one, lowpoly? Then I'll pass. Otherwise...

lowpoly · « **Reply #6 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 07:11:45 »

Don't know yet. The last one I watched went pretty high, like €80,-.

Go for it if you want it.

lal · « **Reply #7 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 07:39:01 »

Ummh... I'm feeling obliged to take over the care for this antique and save it from rotting somewhere else. I'd place a bid for something like 5€ max. If it goes significantly higher it'll be some caring collector probably so it's safe anyway

sixty · « **Reply #8 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 09:42:10 »

Nice board. If you guys are going for it I will pass. Picked up most of the 1 Euro G80s linked in this topic.

BTW: Either of you picked up that (non linked) brand new G80-1000 with the Cyrillic print? It ended for something around 170 Euro. I was impressed.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:11:57 »

Quote from: sixty;106828

BTW: Either of you picked up that (non linked) brand new G80-1000 with the Cyrillic print? It ended for something around 170 Euro. I was impressed.

Ouch. No, new boards usually aren't on my radar. But 170, wow, makes you think it was gold plated or something. (Well, for the seller, it was.

) Which revision was it? Got a link?

lowpoly · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:18:10 »

Quote from: sixty;106828

BTW: Either of you picked up that (non linked) brand new G80-1000 with the Cyrillic print? It ended for something around 170 Euro. I was impressed.

Wow.

There are collectors out there who have never heard about geekhack.

sixty · « **Reply #11 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:23:41 »

Sorry. My bad. It was G80-3000 and "only" 151 Euro.

Auction is here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Cherry-Tastatur-G80-3000-US-English-Goldkontakte-OVP-k_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1229Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem35a25395b5QQitemZ230356653493QQptZMQc3Qa4useQ5fTastaturenQQsalenotsupported

Funny thing is that the same board appeared a bit later on KBDMania (check out latest posts there, some guy is selling the Cyrillic keycaps i think). I wonder if this actually went to Korea or if that was just a coincidence.

lowpoly · « **Reply #12 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:30:39 »

Here's another one:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Cherry-Tastatur-G80-3000-US-English-Goldkontakte-OVP-k_W0QQitemZ230363379029QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen?hash=item35a2ba3555&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

itlnstln · « **Reply #13 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:32:44 »

Not that I'm interested, but does anybody know the year of manufacture on these 'boards (the Cyrillic ones, that is)? The case design looks fairly old.

sixty · « **Reply #14 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:36:20 »

Since they still say "West Germany", it was probably made before 1989.

lowpoly · « **Reply #15 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:38:29 »

And according to Wikipedia the IBM PS/2 was introduced 1987.

itlnstln · « **Reply #16 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:42:54 »

Quote from: sixty;106847

Since they still say "West Germany", it was probably made before 1989.

Looks like it as it's kinda Model M-esque. It even has a coiled cord (which I like on the older keyboards).

lowpoly · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 10:54:31 »

Quote from: itlnstln;106853

Looks like it as it's kinda Model M-esque.

They still use this case today. The only signifcant change on the outside is the LED area.

The 1000 case was heavily inspired by the Model M.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 11:03:45 »

Quote from: sixty;106847

Since they still say "West Germany", it was probably made before 1989.

So I also used to think. But as my reviewed G81-1000 showed, they still wrote this in 1991 - by 1992 it definitely was "Made in Germany" though.

3000 series boards were introduced in 1991 AFAIK, so this would be an early production sample.

Interesting keycaps. I'd think the black lettering is the regular two-shot molded type while the red lettering is dye impregnated.

CX23882 · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 11:15:20 »

There's something different about the keycaps on those older Cherry G80-3000 boards. Are the corners less rounded than on newer ones, or is it an optical illusion due to my board having black keys?

keyb_gr · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 13:53:32 »

I dug out lowpoly's pics of modern-day black keycaps and pulled one from a G80-3000HAD - no significant differences there. The keycaps on the oldies come off quite easily though.

Cables with long coiled sections apparently were standard back then.

It be mentioned that 104/105-key boards have a lower bottom row. So between my two 1996 vintage G80s, the bottom row height is different (along with the key count, obviously).

keyb_gr · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 04 August 2009, 15:56:18 »

http://cgi.ebay.de/Tastatur-Deutsch_W0QQitemZ220459094812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
I didn't know these Fujitsus also came in black.

With a bunch of exhibition G80-3000HADs floating around, the next weekend might not be the worst time for someone to get started in mechanical boards.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Computertastatur_W0QQitemZ280380298271QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
Another of these Peacock G81-3000HADs, it seems.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Tatstatur-Keyboard-Dell-AT102DW_W0QQitemZ160353094119QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
I guess most of you have already spotted this Dell...
http://cgi.ebay.de/Marquardt-ergonomische-Tastatur-an-Bastler-oder-Sammler_W0QQitemZ160352486871QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
...and this defective Marquardt.

http://cgi.ebay.de/PC-Tastatur-von-Gateway_W0QQitemZ300335750478QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
Funny-looking Gateway board, no clue whether it's any good, pickup only.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Olivetti-Tastatur_W0QQitemZ140337730822QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
Olivetti ANK27-102 board - mechanical?
The ANK27-106J is a rubber dome but looks quite different.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Tastaturtasten-von-drei-Tastaturen-fuer-Bastler_W0QQitemZ370240290181QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
A bunch of keys and rubber domes from 3 boards - maybe good for some fun

lal · « **Reply #22 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 12:52:22 »

Quote from: keyb_gr;106985

http://cgi.ebay.de/Tastatur-Deutsch_W0QQitemZ220459094812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen
I didn't know these Fujitsus also came in black.

Are you sure these were made by Fujitsu? I scored this exact board some time ago and couldn't find any hint about the OEM (it's Escom branded), only a strange model number, as in NX680-375-89 or something like that. Didn't bother to take notes or pics because it's rubber dome.

Thanks for the links BTW!

keyb_gr · « **Reply #23 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 13:54:32 »

Quote from: lal;107225

Are you sure these were made by Fujitsu?

The case shape with the wide front lip, key-integrated status indicators and ferrite on the cable are a dead giveaway. Here's a FKB4700 for comparison. This one has a P/N of N860-4700-T601, so the middle number seems to specify the model. Fujitsu Peerless. The Escom board looks a little different but still very close overall. Sure it's a rubber dome and not a Peerless mechanism (with spring on top, which should be plainly audible)?

You gotta admit, as big and funky-looking these boards are, they do have some style. (Might be a nice eyecatcher at a LAN party.

) Did you pull a key some time? I wonder what kind of lettering these things use. I suspect two-shot molding but that should be visible underneath.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #24 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 16:42:19 »

Honestly I don't get why people still use such endless disclaimers these days. It's stupid. Especially when the one who wrote the text years ago only had half a clue about legal terms. Stating that you're an individual and grant no further rights in terms of return or warranty would do. (You have to exclude it explicitly, otherwise the usual warranty period applies.)

The translation is... garbled indeed.

lowpoly · « **Reply #25 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 17:05:43 »

This EU law quote isn't true. But it won't die like an urban legend.

Rajagra · « **Reply #26 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 17:09:56 »

"For PC, XT, AT and PS/2 systems."

You don't see that often.

o2dazone · « **Reply #27 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 17:12:47 »

Quote from: Rajagra;107311

"For PC, XT, AT and PS/2 systems."

You don't see that often.

ya but does it work with the PS/3 or XBox?

huha · « **Reply #28 on:** Wed, 05 August 2009, 17:33:52 »

Quote from: keyb_gr;107248

You gotta admit, as big and funky-looking these boards are, they do have some style. (Might be a nice eyecatcher at a LAN party. ) Did you pull a key some time? I wonder what kind of lettering these things use. I suspect two-shot molding but that should be visible underneath.

My Epson doesn't use 2-shot molded keycaps.

-huha

keyb_gr · « **Reply #29 on:** Thu, 06 August 2009, 03:02:49 »

Quote from: huha;107319

My Epson doesn't use 2-shot molded keycaps.

OK, could also be dye sublimation of course. Black always is a different story though.

BTW, that review needs more [strike]cowbell[/strike] pics, especially one of the complete board.

lal · « **Reply #30 on:** Thu, 06 August 2009, 04:01:05 »

Quote from: keyb_gr;107248

The case shape with the wide front lip, key-integrated status indicators and ferrite on the cable are a dead giveaway. Here's a FKB4700 for comparison. This one has a P/N of N860-4700-T601,

Yeah, the model number had a pattern exactly like that, so the OEM of the Escom is definitely Fujitsu. It has the wide front lip, yes, but there's a deep groove above the function keys, unlike the FKB4700.

Quote from: keyb_gr;107248

The Escom board looks a little different but still very close overall. Sure it's a rubber dome and not a Peerless mechanism (with spring on top, which should be plainly audible)?

I'm 100% positive that the sample I got, and which looked from the outside exactly like the one in the auction you linked to, was a boring standard rubber dome. *Of course* I immediately popped a key and looked straight onto a white gummy rubber dome. No spring, no click whatsoever. Which was very disappointing because...

Quote from: keyb_gr;107248

You gotta admit, as big and funky-looking these boards are, they do have some style.

...that is true. I was hoping for more. I dumped it the other day.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #31 on:** Thu, 06 August 2009, 07:11:03 »

Might be fun to mod some black G80-3000 innards into that one though. I'd think the key pitch and stuff should match.

EDIT: Hmm, do black 102-key G80s exist? Shouldn't be that hard to hack the Fujitsu case, but it would be an additional complication.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #32 on:** Fri, 07 August 2009, 15:35:32 »

Some more fun stuff:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330336768839&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Need an Any Key? Here it is.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170368322123&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330349577896&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Some 50-something key gaming pads

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230363375853&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
I was contemplating placing a bid for this G80-3700HAADE keypad, but someone else already did (at 9,99 minimum) so I guess this might be more for the deeper-pocketed folks.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160352477501&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
A Qtronix board that's got the blues - MX blues.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250478207222&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Postal service RS232 keyboard

keyb_gr · « **Reply #33 on:** Sat, 08 August 2009, 09:07:45 »

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280380482664&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Monterey K208 (FCC ID KD46AK208) - what's this, mechanical or rubber dome? Looks similar to Bollwerk's K104, thus I was contemplating bidding on it.
Here's a pic of the newer K208W with Windows keys. Spill resistant, not too promising that.
Apparently only the K108W had "mechanical tactile-click key-switches":
http://www.allbusinessesindex.com/manufacture2/monterey/k108w.html
The K208W has "membrane tactile switches" (rubber domes), rated for 20 million cycles:
http://www.allbusinessesindex.com/manufacture2/monterey/k208w.html

keyb_gr · « **Reply #34 on:** Sat, 08 August 2009, 09:21:52 »

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280380482664&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Monterey K208 (FCC ID KD46AK208) - what's this, mechanical or rubber dome? Looks similar to Bollwerk's K104, thus I was contemplating bidding on it.
Here's a pic of the newer K208W with Windows keys. Spill resistant, not too promising that.
Apparently only the K108W had "mechanical tactile-click key-switches":
http://www.allbusinessesindex.com/manufacture2/monterey/k108w.html

sixty · « **Reply #35 on:** Sat, 08 August 2009, 19:11:43 »

Quote from: lowpoly;106838

Wow.

There are collectors out there who have never heard about geekhack.

Mystery solved! The board indeed went to Korea:

http://cryo.egloos.com/2358016

The article states the he has purchased this board on eBay Germany.

PS: 15 hours left on the vintage cherry, still at 1 euro. Someone go grab it!

lowpoly · « **Reply #36 on:** Sun, 09 August 2009, 10:20:32 »

Quote from: sixty;108330

PS: 15 hours left on the vintage cherry, still at 1 euro. Someone go grab it!

I tried, but 30 Euros wasn't enough. Anybody here?

keyb_gr · « **Reply #37 on:** Sun, 09 August 2009, 11:37:32 »

Not me.

Here's some keycaps that look to be two-shot stuff from something a little exotic, possibly for Cherry, less than 3 hours remaining:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230362478582&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

keyb_gr · « **Reply #38 on:** Sun, 09 August 2009, 17:08:49 »

Looks like mechanical boards are on vacation, too. The next week will be pretty boring on the 'bay.

ML Tandbergs are now down to 9,95 apiece with free shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270438134432&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
A G81-8000.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130323889674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
19" board integrated in drawer, metal construction

sixty · « **Reply #39 on:** Sun, 09 August 2009, 21:49:31 »

Quote from: keyb_gr;108488

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130323889674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
19" board integrated in drawer, metal construction

I'm gonna go for this. anyone else?

lowpoly · « **Reply #40 on:** Mon, 10 August 2009, 06:53:44 »

Quote from: sixty;108522

I'm gonna go for this. anyone else?

Good luck. Looks like currently they use Cherry MX. www.elma.de

lowpoly · « **Reply #41 on:** Mon, 10 August 2009, 06:55:30 »

Quote from: sixty;108522

I'm gonna go for this. anyone else?

Go for it. Looks like they use Cherry MX, ATM.

Thanks for the constant input of ebay links, keyb_gr.

huha · « **Reply #42 on:** Wed, 12 August 2009, 07:12:58 »

Here's an MS Natural keyboard with an IBM M2 thrown in for good measure. Apparently, the M2 works, which is kind of rare.
If I didn't already have one, I'd bid on this.

-huha

keyb_gr · « **Reply #43 on:** Wed, 12 August 2009, 16:42:12 »

Keyboard with integrated touchpad

NIB FSC KBPC PX (yeah, they're rubber domes, and recent samples don't seem to hold up as well as they should, but I do like the feel of these FSCs)

Got my AT102DW today, review is up already.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #44 on:** Thu, 13 August 2009, 14:21:44 »

Keytronic 03602
FSC KBPC P2, might be a bit yellowed?
G80-2550 (again?)
Looks like a G81-3000 in EU layout

sixty · « **Reply #45 on:** Sun, 16 August 2009, 08:00:37 »

Wow.. a G80-5000 at already 201 Euros.. 7 days to go. This is madness.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Cherry-Tastatur-G80-5000-HAADE-Ergo-5700-Numericblock_W0QQitemZ140339616781QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM%C3%A4use_Tastaturen?hash=item20ace49c0d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

keyb_gr · « **Reply #46 on:** Sun, 16 August 2009, 13:49:28 »

Classic case of Sommerloch.

Looks like a G80-3000HAD or somesuch (though I'm not entirely sure, might also be a G81), 7 days to go, 1 bid.
The two-shot keys again

Expect less input from me here - I'm absolutely drowning in boards and have two more on the way. I may keep an eye on some exotica like SMK switches or a numpad, but that's about it.

Bollwerk · « **Reply #47 on:** Mon, 17 August 2009, 05:41:54 »

Anyone bidding on the G80-2550?

It's a bit odd, that it popped up twice, but I think, I'll give it a try.

Rajagra · « **Reply #48 on:** Mon, 17 August 2009, 06:03:06 »

He doesn't take Paypal, or I would have gone for it.

sixty · « **Reply #49 on:** Mon, 17 August 2009, 06:24:37 »

Quote from: Bollwerk;110169

Anyone bidding on the G80-2550?

It's a bit odd, that it popped up twice, but I think, I'll give it a try.

Yes, I have my sniper set up for the g80-2550.
PS: I was in contact with the guy for a while. Asked to get the other board on the picture as well, however he said he had recycled it.

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Author Topic: eBay Germany discussion (was: [.de] A few Cherry finds) (Read 85979 times)