New Rules vs. Old Rules

[jdcarpe]

Why are the old rules still being enforced? If they are still subject to enforcement, can we get those put into the new rules, please? Also, I think we need some uniformity on moderator action here.

NEW USERS: READ THIS http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33429.0

In the following, I refer to 'geekhack.org', meaning all owners, operators, moderators and administrators of this website, as 'our'. These rules limit our liability. By posting in this forum you agree that you have read these rules and you agree to abide by these rules and agree to the limits to our liability stated herein.

Further, these rules are subject to change, so please check this thread on every visit to this forum.

1) Conflict resolution: CAVEAT EMPTOR. Moderators will not step in to mediate transactions gone bad. BE CAREFUL WHEN BUYING/SELLING ON THIS FORUM! We accept no liability and will provide no services to buyers or sellers short of providing a forum for member to member transactions. We highly encourage buyers and sellers to reference their own feedback ratings (heatware, ebay, etc), and we highly encourage users to refrain from buying from or selling to anyone but senior members with a proven track record buying, selling and/or trading. CAVEAT EMPTOR: WE ACCEPT NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM A POSTING IN THIS FORUM.

2) No sales outside the Classifieds forum.  If you can't post here because you're new, you also can't post your sale in another forum.


3) Please remember to state your location (country, state, etc.) when posting in Classifieds section.


4) If you wish to report something, please do so via the "Report to moderator" button.  It's there for a reason.  DO NOT pm moderator/admin regarding spam, profiteering, etc.  Such pm will be completely ignored.

THESE ARE THE OLD FORUM RULES. At the moment, the entire forum is in a state of flux, and moderation will be extremely light (simply due to lack of moderator time and attention).

1) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in buying from a seller, STAY OUT OF HIS/HER THREAD. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.

2) NO Bumping: Posts that consist of nothing but the word "bump", "ttt", "top", etc. are not acceptable posts, regardless of the forum. If you cannot think of a way to add useful information to a FS/WTB/FA thread, do not add a post to the thread. This new information does not have to be earth shattering, but each new post in a thread should add information to that thread. In addition, please allow 24 hours between posts to your own threads that are not responses to interested parties.

NOTE: as of June 2012, we will no longer give warnings before deleting bump posts. If you're wondering why your bump did not work, it is because we deleted it and you need to add content to your post. Thanks for your cooperation folks.

3) Thread Closure: To be fair to other sellers, please close your threads once both parties in a transaction have left iTrader feedback. When the sale has gone through, please leave the sale price in your thread. It allows people in the future to get an idea of the value of whatever it was you sold.

4) Method of Sale: We will not regulate method of sale. Instead, we encourage members to "vote with your dollars". If you don't like the method that a user is using to tell his or her item, don't buy it! Ignore it, and let the thread sink.

5) Conflict resolution: CAVEAT EMPTOR. Moderators will not step in to mediate deals gone bad. BE CAREFUL WHEN BUYING/SELLING ON THIS FORUM! We accept no liability and will provide no services to buyer or seller short of providing a forum for advertisements and a method for buyer/seller feedback. On that note, we highly encourage buyers and sellers to reference their own feedback ratings (heatware, ebay, etc), in addition to iTrader.

Posts disobeying these rules may be subject to moderator action.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A POST OR THREAD THAT YOU BELIEVE IS BREAKING THE RULES: please press the "report" button on the corresponding post, and explain your problem in the box provided. Do NOT post in the thread. The moderator team will consider your complaint and act accordingly.

If you wish to discuss these rules with other members, you may do so here: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31624-Classified-Forum-Rules-Discussion-Thread

Thanks folks.

« Last Edit: Mon, 07 January 2013, 11:37:21 by reaper »

[tsangan]

which part of the old forum rules is being enforced?

[jdcarpe]

Specifically "threadcrapping"

[tsangan]

refer to the 4th rule in the new rule set if there's threadcrapping that is being reported then we step in

[SmallFry]

I think it seems to be more what gets reported gets dealt with. I have no idea on what's what anymore though.

[tsangan]

what's not to understand?

[jdcarpe]

Okay, thanks for your quick response. Maybe if we could get a clarification of rule #4, such as:

4) If you wish to report something, including unwanted threadcrapping in your own thread, or excessive bumping of someone else's thread, please do so via the "Report to moderator" button.  It's there for a reason.  DO NOT pm moderator/admin regarding spam, profiteering, etc.  Such pm will be completely ignored.

[SmallFry]

Also, what constitutes thread crapping? Is it just if the OP reports the person?

[tsangan]

Of course not, I'm not quite sure where you got that impression. Anyone can report a post then the moderators goes and looks at the post and decides how to handle it from there, and I'm sure you know not all posts are black and white some can clearly be labeled as threadcrapping while some might be a grey area

for example in one of the sales threads seems like everything has sorted out by itself with 2 member having a small rebuttal but then a 3rd member decide to join in a day later to provoke more response

[ekw808]

I think I saw that post pretty recently.

[SmallFry]

Sorry, wasn't trying to be snide. Just asking what threadcrapping really is.

[jdcarpe]

Or, maybe rule #4 should be changed to read:

4) If you wish to report something, please do so via the "Report to moderator" button.  It's there for a reason.  DO NOT pm moderator/admin regarding spam, profiteering, threadcrapping, bumping, etc.  Such pm will be completely ignored.

And let the threadcrapping sort itself out, as it usually does, without moderator intervention. I really think we need to have this discussion, and include as much of the GH user base in it as possible. Just because DanGWanG left, doesn't mean this issue is resolved.

[ekw808]

If its my thread why do I have to wait for people to finish crapping before it stops?

[jdcarpe]

If its my thread why do I have to wait for people to finish crapping before it stops?

You can usually squash it yourself, without moderator intervention. See my post here

[tsangan]

I'm still not quite sure what you want us to clarify if seems like most of the members here understands exactly how it work.

if you don't want threadcrapping in your thread then just report it, it's pretty simple if you're one of those many people that don't care then continue whatever you're doing

if you find a post that is inappropriate then once again report it and it will be handled

[eth0s]

Hey guys, I wrote the following definition of thread crapping. 

If it helps, you can use it without restriction or attribution, and can make any changes that you deem appropriate for your purposes:



thread crapping [thred krap•ing] 

verb. 

1.  Thread crapping occurs when a person comes into a thread and posts something contrary to the spirit/intent of the thread, not for the purpose of offering a legitimate argument or counter-point, but merely for the purpose of derailing the discussion, or turning it into an argument, or for the purpose of insulting, abusing, or otherwise harassing one or more of the people who have posted a comment in the thread.   

2.  Thread crapping lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.  Thread crapping also lacks rational and reasonable argument based upon statistical, logical or even emotional appeal.  The easiest thread crap to spot is that which involves some form of personal attack or insult, racism, sexism, homophobism, ageism, or other form of bigotry.

3.  Any negative comment made in the “for sale” area of a forum.  Negative comments that constitute thread crapping may be, but are not limited to, those comments made about the items listed for sale, and/ or any negative comments made regarding offers to buy, or counter-offers to sell, or any offer to trade that has been posted in the thread.

4.  For moderators, thread crapping is like pornography in that you will know it when you see it.

[calavera]

So can someone bump their classifieds thread every few hours now? I've seen some threads constantly being bumped a dozen times a day.

[SmallFry]

Thanks eth0s I really like that definition.

[SmallFry]

I suppose what I was really looking for was when enforcement on classifieds ads occurs as some threads are quite derailed while they continue, while others do the same and a moderator steps in. I've been called for threadcrapping twice in the last few weeks and had my posts deleted, and while I agree that it was indeed not helpful, I've posted similar content without punishment.

[aggiejy]

So can someone bump their classifieds thread every few hours now? I've seen some threads constantly being bumped a dozen times a day.

If you see anyone bump more than once a day, please report it! I hate the 24-hour bumps personally too. Perhaps tags or something will help change these rules.

[The_Ed]

Couldn't that be enforced with code?

Oversimplified Pseudocode

Code: [Select]

If (threadstarter == lastpoststarter && (currenttime - lastposttime) <= 24hours)
{denypost}
else
{allowpost}

[elton5354]

A BST system like OCN, perhaps?

[jcrouse]

I think it seems to be more what gets reported gets dealt with. I have no idea on what's what anymore though.

If your talking about thread crapping it is very simple. If it is not pertinent, don't post, period. GLWS, Good luck Bro and stuff of that nature is completely unnecessaary. There are hundreds of threads for conversation if someone is selling something or looking for somethng and you aren't interested or have nothing to offer move on. I am not saying I am perfect but the interpertation of the rule, logic really, is not to difficult for an adult to understand. And, if you wish to communicate with the EU, there is a PM system. For instance, your plea in a thread the other day to CC for the names of the 4:20 caps. Could that not have been a PM? That is just an example. Personally, I get quite tired of seeing all of the unnecessary garbage in most of the threads at GH.

John

[aggiejy]

Yep, we could do that, but I don't think too many people abuse that unless they didn't know.

[SmallFry]

I think it seems to be more what gets reported gets dealt with. I have no idea on what's what anymore though.

For instance, your plea in a thread the other day to CC for the names of the 4:20 caps. Could that not have been a PM?

John

I have PMd him before asking for names of unknown colors, pictures for when he had time, and have expressed an interest in some of the colors on the list that he has posted that I have never seen in the wild. I understand that he is busy, and rather than adding another PM to the one he hasn't had time to respond to, I posted in the thread instead. I see now that the 4Grabs thread has been updated as to which design is which and also some of the colors, so that's handy.

[ekw808]

Good luck with discussing, guys.

[tsangan]

So can someone bump their classifieds thread every few hours now? I've seen some threads constantly being bumped a dozen times a day.

I don't really see that often, most I see are usually the next day not necessarily 24 hours though. If I do see any myself I do moderate it but I don't go and visit every thread, if you or anyone sees people with bumps of a dozen times a day please do report it.

I suppose what I was really looking for was when enforcement on classifieds ads occurs as some threads are quite derailed while they continue, while others do the same and a moderator steps in. I've been called for threadcrapping twice in the last few weeks and had my posts deleted, and while I agree that it was indeed not helpful, I've posted similar content without punishment.

So you want us to hard moderate? I believe it was the majority of the members that do NOT want us to hard moderate that's why we moderate the way we do.

[esoomenona]

I think we should just drop all of the rules and let chaos run rampant; let the blood-red clacks spill on the streets!

[jdcarpe]

My Model M has drainage holes. If blood gets in there, it will just run right out.

[aggiejy]

My Model M has drainage holes. If blood gets in there, it will just run right out.

This belongs on a tshirt.

[SmallFry]

So you want us to hard moderate? I believe it was the majority of the members that do NOT want us to hard moderate that's why we moderate the way we do.

Not really, I just was looking for an answer of when things happen, which I seem to have gathered. I remember being a moderator and I only once or twice moderated some of the Off Topic section, so being moderated twice in the last few weeks was a bit foreign to me.

[tsangan]

I provided you with an answer already

[SmallFry]

Now that I've read it again I understand a bit more. Thanks for the response Tsangan.