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Offline Leinad3

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Best ergo clear style switch?
« on: Wed, 20 October 2021, 11:58:27 »
Hi!

I just discovered the ergo clear switch so I bought some. I love them so I wanna know more switches of this type as I don't know so many and gonna build a keyboard with them.

Thanks

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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 20 October 2021, 13:39:49 »
None of the clone switches feel quite the same. If you like clear you're best off sticking to clear, you can experiment with different lubes and spring weight to find your desired combo.

Some of the tactile options come close but they always add some unnecessary changes whether it's to the tactility profile or the actuation point or whatever. Zeal v1 is probably the best alternative.
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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 20 October 2021, 16:29:48 »
I moved to durock medium tactile/rara v2 and never looked back, they're smoother, less wobbly, better sounding and don't have the ergo clear death grip on your caps. They're in between ergo clears and T1s in tactility, but they feel pretty close to ergos if you lube the tactile legs. It also helps with the noisy tactile leaves, which is the downside vs ergo clears, but depending on the factory lube they might be fine out of the box.

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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 20 October 2021, 16:57:42 »
Hi!

I just discovered the ergo clear switch so I bought some. I love them so I wanna know more switches of this type as I don't know so many and gonna build a keyboard with them.

Thanks

Well, this is your lucky day, because what used to be considered the premium Ergo Clear alternative is making a comeback:

https://zealpc.net/products/zealio_v1_redux?variant=39352365449280

I have no idea if it is a good idea to buy them. The quality of the Zealio V1 redux is unknown, as there have been none reaching our shores and none reviewed yet. But it's cheaper to buy at this 'group buy' price.

Anyway, what are the alternatives to Ergo Clear? Generally these are:

1. Zealio V1

This was the first major alternative. They wanted a bump more distinct / prominent than MX Brown, but without the scratch and sandiness of Cherry tactiles like MX Clear and Brown.

Generally, the Zealio V1 are understood to be possibly less-tactile than MX Clear [should be more tactile than MX Brown], but definitely smoother.

Smoothness is their primary attribute, along with the 'bump' being more crisp or definite than the 'nebulous,' indistinct bump of Cherry tactiles.

Zealio V1 had issues with wobble, though. They were as wobbly as Cherry switches. Maybe it's being addressed now.

Also, stock sound wasn't great. It was insectile, unless you lubed it. The springs were noisy, too.

2. OUTEMU Sky / Silent Sky

The original OUTEMU Sky [pre-2.2] was modeled after the MX Clear stem. It was placed in a highly-tactile housing, with a 62 or 68 G spring.

It had a good tactility to it, and the weight was right, so it was a fair Ergo Clear approximation.

But the housing was noisy like crazy, as was the spring. And the housing was oversize. So this switch was scratchy and needed a lot of lube.

Later versions of the stem moved away from MX Clear and became its own thing. But still about as intense as an Ergo Clear. Personally, I feel that the later stems were too wobble, and with a strange actuation point.

The Silent Sky was just a Silent Sky stem inside that same housing. Good stem, bad housing. You can make a true Ergo Clear Silent Sky by putting the stem in something like a Huano Banana housing with stock or 55 G L spring.

So forget about these outdated switches, unless you need a Silent Ergo Clear, as the silent stems are really good.

3. RARA / Durock Medium Tactile

JWK was making tactiles like the T1, but wanted something less extreme. So they developed the 'RARA' stem which was later used in 'Durock Medium Tactile' and all subsequent recolours.

The RARA is kind of like a smaller T1 - the tactility is at the top, but it tapers off.

It's about as intense as an Ergo Clear, and may have been inspired by Zealio V1.

Stock, their sound is a little scratchy or squishy, but they are meant to be lubed. If lubed, they can become loud and clacky, if that's what you're looking for. Clean-sounding too. I have some professionally-lubed RARA V2 switches, and they sound much cleaner than any Cherry-derived switch.

Very affordable, if you know where to look. Because there is bound to be a deal on the RARA recolours: RARA V2, Mode Signal, Penguin, Taro Ball, Shogoki, and others.

4. Super-Browns (Really, intermediate light tactiles)

There are a number of switches that are either supposed to be more intense Browns, or some form of Ergo Clears. These are:

Everglide Jade Green - 58.5 G is brown-weight, but these are shaped differently, more like a Zealio V1. Tactile event is towards the top, and not much more intense than Brown. Some would say that they benefit from slightly heavier springs for more cushion, like 60 G TX 14mm or even 62 G Spirit. That would make them true Ergo Clears.

They sound scratchy in stock form. But lubed generously with 3204 and filmed, on a polycarb plate, they can sound quite pleasant.

TTC Gold Brown V2 - I think this was an attempt at an Ergo Clear. It's about 5 G heavier than MX Brown, and slightly more tactile. But all it does is end up feeling like a heavier Brown. So avoid this except as a base for Silent Sky stems. TTC Watermelon V2 seems similar.

Huano Banana - this is one of the 'fruit-themed' switches, and I swear this is an honest-to-god Ergo Clear imitator or 'super-Brown.' It's definitely snappier than MX Brown, very snappy, almost clicky tactility. And a little heavier than Browns. Snappiness is so great that it doesn't feel like MX Brown territory anymore.

AKKO CS Ocean Blue - this seems to be a scaled-down Holy-Panda type switch. Definitely less intense than the Pandas, it's a kind of 'lesser-panda.' The size of the tactile bump places it more in Ergo Clear range, although it's shaped more like Pandas and other heavy tactiles instead of a Cherry tactile.

Kailh Pro Purple - one of the classic 'super-Browns,' or light Ergo Clears. It has a spring in the 65 - 70 G range, and a tactility at the top, like many others in the Kailh custom range. Kind of a scaled-down Halo True. It has about the intensity of an Ergo Clear, and is frequently compared with them. Can be very good to type on, a fast switch. But it is lube-starved and very scratchy in stock form.

You can replace the spring with a 63.5 Spirit and get something very much with a proper Ergo-Clear weight and feel.

5. Halo / HAKO Violet

The BOX-derived switches from Kailh have at least one Ergo Clear variant.

The "Violet" switch seems to provide the tactile intensity of an MX Clear with a weight closer to MX Brown.

I have compared them side-by-side with BOX Browns, and the HAKO Violet switches are a little more intense, sharp, and snappy.




Ergo Clears themselves

Why look for clones in the first place? Ergo Clears can be made many different ways, from really punchy MX-black-weight and heavy lube [an extremely clacky switch] all the way down to 63.5 Progressive Spirit springs, which is a richer MX Brown. 65 G TX 14mm seems to be a good weight for many people.

You can even lube with 205g0 for a thockier sound, and for use on a metal plate. Just lube carefully to preserve the tactility, and you have something more sophisticated than an MX Brown.

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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 20 October 2021, 18:59:52 »
Hi!

I just discovered the ergo clear switch so I bought some. I love them so I wanna know more switches of this type as I don't know so many and gonna build a keyboard with them.

Thanks

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Offline Leinad3

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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 21 October 2021, 02:46:41 »
Hi!

I just discovered the ergo clear switch so I bought some. I love them so I wanna know more switches of this type as I don't know so many and gonna build a keyboard with them.

Thanks

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Awesome info man! Now I know where to start for look into more info, thanks a lot!

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 22 October 2021, 15:06:21 »
Thanks for the endorsement! The list is not quite definitive.

There used to be a series of switches called MOD. It was one of the first factory Ergo Clear alternatives back in the day, around 2018. You can find some info here, and elsewhere:

https://www.originativeco.com/products/mod-switch

The truth is, many [including myself] found them scratchy. I guess you could lube them. Certainly, some of this series was pretty tactile.

There was also a recent attempt at factory Ergo Clears called "Durock Cerulean." It had mixed reviews, so I didn't try it. But if built right, it resembled an Ergo Clear.

There's a less-common switch called "Twilight." It's a Durock Medium Tactile stem inside a T1 housing, which makes it pretty tactile. It's snappy and sharp. I think it's nice with ~65 G 14mm spring, if memory serves. It's definitely on the 'snappier' or 'more tactile' side of Ergo Clears.

[You can actually make all sorts of quasi-Ergo Clears by stuffing very light tactile stems inside highly-tactile housings like Boba, YOK Panda, and T1.] Some of my favourite of these quasi-Ergo Clear switches derived from heavy tactile housings are:

-"Brown Pandas" or "Dirty Pandas" which is MX Brown stem inside YOK Panda housing with 60 G stock YOK spring

-Taliaz which is Aliaz inside T1 housing with 60 L - 65 G spring

-T1ngerine which is Gateron Orange stem inside T1 housing with ~60 L - 62 L spring

-Orange Boba which is same as above in a Boba housing


These are all a little stiffer and more snappy than Ergo Clears that are derived from light-tactile housings, so I'd call it a different category.

For a lighter / less-tactile version of this, you can also exchange stems between MX Clears, Pro Purples, Penguins, etc...

You can also put heavy tactile stems into lighter-tactile housings. T1 into Tangerine, for example. 65 G spring. U4T into a Cherry housing. This is like a 'reverse Ergo Clear' because you are making a heavy tactile into a medium-tactile.

Also, it's best not to underestimate OUTEMU Silent Sky. Silent Sky stem in pre-Hyperglide MX Clear housing with 63.5 G Spirit spring is a true Ergo Clear, in my book.

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Re: Best ergo clear style switch?
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 22 October 2021, 16:14:14 »
Also, here are some helpful videos:


Ceruleans




Zeal V1 vs Durock Light Tactile vs Durock Medium Tactile



Zeal V1 vs Zeal V2 vs Everglide Jade Green V2



There are many more such helpful videos on Youtube.