Author Topic: [IC] Fox Lab - Leaf 60 (GB start) (Read 62013 times)

senter · « **Reply #150 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:42:40 »

Quote from: juaninamilli on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:30:41

Have you decided what rubber type you're going to be using? Soft? Hard?

We are testing different types.

senter · « **Reply #151 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:47:55 »

Quote from: ChrisSwires on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:37:53

PCB relief cuts primarily come into their own with a half, or indeed no plate, the addition of a full plate largely (not entirely) neuters them so I'd agree generally.

Source: GSKT-00

That makes much more sense. The relief cuts could also be interesting when the kit is PCB top mount.
I was also thinking about 1.5mm plate only around switches and 0.8/1mm everywhere else. That's another story tho.

ChrisSwires · « **Reply #152 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:50:58 »

Quote from: senter on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:47:55

Quote from: ChrisSwires on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:37:53
PCB relief cuts primarily come into their own with a half, or indeed no plate, the addition of a full plate largely (not entirely) neuters them so I'd agree generally.

Source: GSKT-00

That makes much more sense. The relief cuts could also be interesting when the kit is PCB top mount.
I was also thinking about 1.5mm plate only around switches and 0.8/1mm everywhere else. That's another story tho.

Now. A variable depth plate. That gets me all kinds of intrigued.

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DasGnome · « **Reply #153 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 14:22:01 »

Quote from: senter on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:47:55

Quote from: ChrisSwires on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:37:53
PCB relief cuts primarily come into their own with a half, or indeed no plate, the addition of a full plate largely (not entirely) neuters them so I'd agree generally.

Source: GSKT-00

That makes much more sense. The relief cuts could also be interesting when the kit is PCB top mount.
I was also thinking about 1.5mm plate only around switches and 0.8/1mm everywhere else. That's another story tho.

PCB top mount would be tempting....

juaninamilli · « **Reply #154 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 14:42:21 »

PCB top mount? I'm having a hard time picturing it. I will say that I would prefer top mount plate.

clasicks · « **Reply #155 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 15:06:53 »

wat, this IC is for sandwich mount pseudo gasket, y u talking about top mounts in chat

weaston · « **Reply #156 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 21:53:28 »

Quote from: senter on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:35:44

🤔 I doubt the effect of the relief cuts tbh. I don't own a 00 so cannot verify it by myself.
There is very little information about it. I incline to believe it's not a good feature that has been generally accepted.
In this case, I would not consider this feature because otherwise it's more like a direct copy without thinking.

Please do not copy what we did without an understanding of why it is there and how it influences the board as a whole. The 00 is not the end all be all gasket board and there are many things that need changing and refinement. We did things for very specific reasons and have a lot to learn, so copying bits and pieces of the 00 indiscriminately will only lead to problems in your own design because the two boards are inherently different.

mdlt97 · « **Reply #157 on:** Thu, 27 December 2018, 23:09:10 »

Why are you on such a mission to dismiss/discredit everything gasket related about this board, you didn't invent gasket, you made a board for people who couldn't afford or get a 356 mini, that is all you did, not sure why you talk about it like its the second coming of Jesus himself, just relax and let someone run a Gb how they please and let them do what they want, as it is THEIR board

senter · « **Reply #158 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 09:00:30 »

Quote from: weaston on Thu, 27 December 2018, 21:53:28

Quote from: senter on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:35:44
🤔 I doubt the effect of the relief cuts tbh. I don't own a 00 so cannot verify it by myself.
There is very little information about it. I incline to believe it's not a good feature that has been generally accepted.
In this case, I would not consider this feature because otherwise it's more like a direct copy without thinking.

Please do not copy what we did without an understanding of why it is there and how it influences the board as a whole. The 00 is not the end all be all gasket board and there are many things that need changing and refinement. We did things for very specific reasons and have a lot to learn, so copying bits and pieces of the 00 indiscriminately will only lead to problems in your own design because the two boards are inherently different.

That's exactly what I was saying. Someone asked me to copy a feature of 00. I said no.

weaston · « **Reply #159 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 09:13:13 »

That was my understanding too, wasn't meaning it in any bad way. I like your design and wanted to see it explored.

clasicks · « **Reply #160 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 09:39:32 »

Quote from: mdlt97 on Thu, 27 December 2018, 23:09:10

Why are you on such a mission to dismiss/discredit everything gasket related about this board, you didn't invent gasket, you made a board for people who couldn't afford or get a 356 mini, that is all you did, not sure why you talk about it like its the second coming of Jesus himself, just relax and let someone run a Gb how they please and let them do what they want, as it is THEIR board

its almost like you didn't read anything that weaston said... take your predisposed salt somewhere else

taropaste · « **Reply #161 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 11:06:42 »

This board looks great and I'm looking forward to trying your implementation of a gasket sandwich mount. I'm also VERY excited about a polycarb wkl version. Please please pretty please make that available for the group buy

. Thanks!

dondongler · « **Reply #162 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 11:10:10 »

Definitely interested in polycarb as well

Rumai · « **Reply #163 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 12:34:59 »

Quote from: senter on Thu, 27 December 2018, 13:22:06

BTW, as some guys requested in the Leaf 80 thread, there will also be a matching numpad available

YES

YES

HardcoreDesk · « **Reply #164 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 21:46:35 »

this board makes me say yes

finalarcadia · « **Reply #165 on:** Fri, 28 December 2018, 22:05:43 »

Matching numpad with same rows as leaf 60? That'd be nicer

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azharkh · « **Reply #166 on:** Sat, 29 December 2018, 03:28:45 »

if you decide to go for a proprietary PCB can it have underglow LEDs or at least have pads on the bottom side of the PCB so SMD LEDs can be soldered on by the user if they choose?

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metalliccharles · « **Reply #167 on:** Sat, 29 December 2018, 11:08:03 »

I hope the price is good because I have to get this! $:-\$ PC with the brass plate looks so gooood.

nasp · « **Reply #168 on:** Sat, 29 December 2018, 12:24:24 »

Is it possible to have a proprietary PCB but also keep the USB C connector on the left side? That way, one could still put in a DZ60 with USB C? I think it's a good compromise and will allow folks some other options for PCBs

fireworm · « **Reply #169 on:** Mon, 31 December 2018, 23:23:00 »

Is there a picture of all supported layouts for mx? Layouts for alps?

If you could do split space alps, omg. I'd buy like 10!

slxdegrees · « **Reply #170 on:** Tue, 01 January 2019, 05:01:40 »

Quote from: nasp on Sat, 29 December 2018, 12:24:24

Is it possible to have a proprietary PCB but also keep the USB C connector on the left side? That way, one could still put in a DZ60 with USB C? I think it's a good compromise and will allow folks some other options for PCBs

I think the purpose of the proprietary PCB is so he can have the center port...

Vigrith · « **Reply #171 on:** Tue, 01 January 2019, 13:03:23 »

I might've missed it but do you have a tentative ETA for the GB for this to open up, Senter?

ArchDill · « **Reply #172 on:** Tue, 01 January 2019, 14:36:52 »

Quote from: senter on Sat, 22 December 2018, 10:39:49

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Simply put, this is an IC for 60% version of Leaf 80.
This IC is not for checking interests because we will run it for sure.
The purpose of this IC is for collecting suggestions/opinions on the current design and future available options.

Some potential new features:

New plate mounting method. We've been using top mount for quite a long time. Now we're trying to figure out how to play with gaskets. Not sure if the current design can be called gasket mount or not.
Anodizing: new regular colors, gradient anodizing, camo ano, hard ano
E-coating: new colors, non matte finish (the original e-white and e-black are all matte finish)
PVD brass case: It was a pain to deal with PVD because the quality is hard to control. Exclusive found a reliable factory that can do PVD in very high quality. It might be worth trying. Really appreciate his help.
PC case: Anyone interested in opaque PC cases? I'm not sure about the aesthetic aspect but the PC cases sound different from metal cases.

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The current design is to attach 4 long strips of self-adhesive gaskets on both the top case and the bottom case.
The gaskets have screw holes on them. They will be compressed a little bit when the screws are tightened.
The front and rear sides of the plate will be sandwich mounted in the middle.

The PC leaf is very tempting. Will there be an hhkb layout plate? It triggers me when you can see the plate under the PC and it has an opening for switches.

AlcoholEnthusiast · « **Reply #173 on:** Tue, 01 January 2019, 16:24:17 »

Is there an estimate on price yet?

DocNoc · « **Reply #174 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 00:38:32 »

The pcb will allow for standard Cherry/GMK style stabs correct? Only asking because I'm ignorant and don't know if the fact that the PCB will be Alps compatible will change anything else about the PCB design.

DasGnome · « **Reply #175 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 12:23:28 »

Any plans for a PC plate to go with the PC case?

senter · « **Reply #176 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:35:48 »

Quote from: fireworm on Mon, 31 December 2018, 23:23:00

Is there a picture of all supported layouts for mx? Layouts for alps?

If you could do split space alps, omg. I'd buy like 10!

1. None hot-swappable + MX layout:

2. None hot-swappable + ALPS layout:

3. Hot-swappable + MX layout:

BTW, what keycaps do you want to use on split space alps? I didn't know that's a thing

senter · « **Reply #177 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:42:46 »

Quote from: Vigrith on Tue, 01 January 2019, 13:03:23

I might've missed it but do you have a tentative ETA for the GB for this to open up, Senter?

Hi Vigrith, it can happen as early as in Jan. I have made several prototypes. One opaque white PC case is bad. All the others look great to me. Everything should be settled soon.
The only thing concerns me rn is the CNY. The long holiday of CNY can lead to serious delays.

senter · « **Reply #178 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:43:29 »

Quote from: ArchDill on Tue, 01 January 2019, 14:36:52

Will there be an hhkb layout plate?

Yes

senter · « **Reply #179 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:43:58 »

Quote from: AlcoholEnthusiast on Tue, 01 January 2019, 16:24:17

Is there an estimate on price yet?

Not yet

senter · « **Reply #180 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:45:10 »

Quote from: DocNoc on Wed, 02 January 2019, 00:38:32

The pcb will allow for standard Cherry/GMK style stabs correct? Only asking because I'm ignorant and don't know if the fact that the PCB will be Alps compatible will change anything else about the PCB design.

It will support PCB mount Cherry/GMK stabs.

DJSwayde · « **Reply #181 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:46:35 »

Has it been decided whether a universal or proprietary PCB will be used?

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senter · « **Reply #182 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:46:56 »

Quote from: DasGnome on Wed, 02 January 2019, 12:23:28

Any plans for a PC plate to go with the PC case?

I'll decide after testing the prototypes. I wish that can be available.

forevermadrigal · « **Reply #183 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:47:18 »

Any more info on the gaskets?

o3okevin · « **Reply #184 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 17:29:54 »

Probably in but are there any chances that other form factors would be made? Like 65%, 75%, even fullsize?

fireworm · « **Reply #185 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 17:40:07 »

Quote from: senter on Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:35:48

Quote from: fireworm on Mon, 31 December 2018, 23:23:00
Is there a picture of all supported layouts for mx? Layouts for alps?

If you could do split space alps, omg. I'd buy like 10!

1. None hot-swappable + MX layout:

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2. None hot-swappable + ALPS layout:

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3. Hot-swappable + MX layout:

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BTW, what keycaps do you want to use on split space alps? I didn't know that's a thing

Awesome, I'd be using Nexus sliders with some SA caps, so cherry stabs work. (but I have adapters for alps stabs too).

Layout (for me), would be: split backspace, split right shift.

Splitting a 6.25u Spacebar into 2.25, 1.25, 2.75. (followed by four 1.25)

Or splitting a 7u into 2.25, 1, 2.75, 1.

...Not sure how possible this is.

ArchDill · « **Reply #186 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 17:49:15 »

Quote from: senter on Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:43:29

Quote from: ArchDill on Tue, 01 January 2019, 14:36:52

Will there be an hhkb layout plate?

Yes

Sweet! I am excited about this! I have been wanting to try a PC build.

Vigrith · « **Reply #187 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:00:06 »

Quote from: senter on Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:42:46

Hi Vigrith, it can happen as early as in Jan. I have made several prototypes. One opaque white PC case is bad. All the others look great to me. Everything should be settled soon.
The only thing concerns me rn is the CNY. The long holiday of CNY can lead to serious delays.

Hey Senter, alright that sounds good - thank you for sharing, I appreciate the heads up and yea CNY can be quite the obstacle as has been proven many times.

I'm very much looking forward to it, especially given the fact you confirmed there'll be a dedicated HHKB plate - that'll look great with the PC case, PC case + brass is beautiful.

dantambok · « **Reply #188 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 20:26:14 »

Looks like my dream of a WKL PC 60% will come true

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temp0321 · « **Reply #189 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 21:03:46 »

Oh, there will be a hotswap pcb option? Is it possible to have 2u backspace for it?

ejewell89 · « **Reply #190 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 21:24:47 »

Will it support both split spacebar layouts?

225 125 275

And the inverse

275 125 225

trg1234 · « **Reply #191 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 22:02:47 »

From reading I think there's more people who would benefit from the universal pcb option more than the prorpietary one personally.

slxdegrees · « **Reply #192 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 22:05:13 »

Quote from: trg1234 on Wed, 02 January 2019, 22:02:47

From reading I think there's more people who would benefit from the universal pcb option more than the prorpietary one personally.

Better pray the pcb doesn't fail then

befbef · « **Reply #193 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 22:34:25 »

Very interested. Hope it's gonna be universal pcb!

spyruf · « **Reply #194 on:** Wed, 02 January 2019, 23:55:33 »

Depending on price I am quite interested in the hotswap hhkb layout.

AlcoholEnthusiast · « **Reply #195 on:** Thu, 03 January 2019, 02:25:05 »

I feel like I'm on an island with this one, but if the proprietary PCB lets us get a very tight port I think it's the right move.

Unless the board was based around DZ60 and the tight port was modeled around an already established and easy to get PCB (which I think is a pretty good idea)

tex_live_utility · « **Reply #196 on:** Thu, 03 January 2019, 04:54:26 »

If the PCB needs to be proprietary, why not open-source it after the GB? At least then someone can get a small batch made in the future.

LuiKang · « **Reply #197 on:** Thu, 03 January 2019, 07:18:38 »

HHKB layout + splitted spacebar = I'm in.
HHKB layout + splitted spacebar + side/underglow = I'll reserve two.

juaninamilli · « **Reply #198 on:** Thu, 03 January 2019, 08:19:26 »

Not that it'll affect much, but why split l.shift? In no way am I suggesting iso, but don't those two usually go together?

Quote from: senter on Wed, 02 January 2019, 16:35:48

Quote from: fireworm on Mon, 31 December 2018, 23:23:00
Is there a picture of all supported layouts for mx? Layouts for alps?

If you could do split space alps, omg. I'd buy like 10!

1. None hot-swappable + MX layout:

Show Image

2. None hot-swappable + ALPS layout:

Show Image

3. Hot-swappable + MX layout:

Show Image

BTW, what keycaps do you want to use on split space alps? I didn't know that's a thing

spyruf · « **Reply #199 on:** Thu, 03 January 2019, 09:51:46 »

Another thing that would be interesting is if the weight is the same as the leaf 80. That way they are replaceable / swappable.

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