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Command 65
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Hi guys.
Play Keyboard and Basic I/O Instruments here again.After taking comments from our previous IC post, we now bring in a new and more mature design and renders for you - Command 65.
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Command 65 was inspired by the classic Commodore 64. We love the design and want to add some other elements, like toggle switches you can see from a control panel, Bluetooth, and a more general layout in modern times.
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Command 65 is going to be a mold injected plastic keyboard project. Mounting type will be top mounted.

Renders (name plate design is not yet decided)
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1st 3D Pinted Prototype (2021.6.29)
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Toggle Switches
Three toggle switches will be in top right corner: Bluetooth switch, Win/Mac switch, and layer switch (not yet decided).
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PCB
.QMK/VIA Compatible
.Wire/Wireless

.Hotswappable

Other details to be decided.

Other details:
Price: TBD
Colors: TBD
Plate Material: TBD
As this is a mold injected keyboard project, we want to make sure it meets most people's interests. So this IC might take a while. Please let is know if you have any comment or suggestion.

We will update in first reply if anything is decided. Thanks for the time!
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 08:46:25 »
2022.2.15

Guys. Command 65 is currently in mold manufacturing stage. Here are some renders of different color cases that just came out.
Please leave any comment for us to know your interest, and feel free to suggest other colors you like.
We might have chances to make them come ture in the future. :D
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2022.6.12

Sorry for lacking updates here. We've released some photos and videos in our Discord in past time.
The classic color will match to the original C64 color more comparing to the render showed. And biege will be more biege.
Here are pics of all case colors featuring some keysets.
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And also a rough typing video as well:
* 676707170.651400.mp4 (1898.1 kB - downloaded 224 times.)

The beep sound was coming from the buzzer, which we just added this feature in PCB. ;D

Hope you guys like it. We are aiminig to do promotion in July.
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2022.6.21

More photos with name plates(prototype as well) with 1st prototype. Featuring SA Amazing Chocolatier.
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 08:58:50 »
Hao Chih

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 09:05:27 »
OOOOHHHHH YEAH!!! this is much better that like-alice layout.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 09:18:13 »
It's a great idea.  The execution of the concept is going to make or break this board.  The plastic will have to be right.  I don't know much about plastic details, but the Bbox60 did it very well.  The plastic they use is simply perfect.  If I ever made a mold injected keyboard, it would be out of that same plastic.  Also, the toggle switches need to nice.  If you get the cheap ones, it will completely ruin the feel and make them seem like a waste of space.

I suggest a rethink/rework of the switches.  I suggest you use 2 toggle switches and then an indicator light.  I would have either a toggle for (power and bluetooth) or a toggle for (bluetooth and layer).  But man, we need an LED on top!  I had a concept I drew up for fun several years ago where the led was red for power and then turned blue when bluetooth was toggled on.  EDIT... found it! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85596.msg2294829#msg2294829 

Everyone is going to ask for QMK/VIA compatibility.  I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 09:19:13 »
Just saw another keyboard  with commodore64 inspiration  and bluetooth   But i wish you the best of luck

May you bring the idea to fruition and may you  make a good product.
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 09:24:05 »
InterestingI ill keep an eye on this but is there more data on this? typing angle and effective front height? does it come with the battery or is that something to buy separately? You say this is going to be injection molded, I assume there has to be a big enough demand to satisfy those expensive molds and break point pricing based on quantities can be determined no?
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:07:35 »
I am not a 65% guy, but GIB. Really love how this looks.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:30:43 »
Vint and BT?? I just lost

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:53:21 »
Really cool to see you updated your design according to the previous IC!
Is a hhkb-like spacebar-row a possibility? Just to get closer to that original Commodore64 look? A single spacebar row might be considered too niche..?

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:54:51 »
Hao Chih

 :p

OOOOHHHHH YEAH!!! this is much better that like-alice layout.


Yeah it's definitely better :D

It's a great idea.  The execution of the concept is going to make or break this board.  The plastic will have to be right.  I don't know much about plastic details, but the Bbox60 did it very well.  The plastic they use is simply perfect.  If I ever made a mold injected keyboard, it would be out of that same plastic.  Also, the toggle switches need to nice.  If you get the cheap ones, it will completely ruin the feel and make them seem like a waste of space.

I suggest a rethink/rework of the switches.  I suggest you use 2 toggle switches and then an indicator light.  I would have either a toggle for (power and bluetooth) or a toggle for (bluetooth and layer).  But man, we need an LED on top!  I had a concept I drew up for fun several years ago where the led was red for power and then turned blue when bluetooth was toggled on.  EDIT... found it! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85596.msg2294829#msg2294829 

Everyone is going to ask for QMK/VIA compatibility.  I don't think that's unreasonable.

Yes it's going to be QMK/VIA compatible. I myself also love the indicator LED. Let's see if we can put it in.

We are planning to do and produce it in Taiwan. We'll have some detailed discussions with the factory about materials.
Of course there's going to be some prototypes to show. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 11:02:58 »
Just saw another keyboard  with commodore64 inspiration  and bluetooth   But i wish you the best of luck

May you bring the idea to fruition and may you  make a good product.


Thanks. We'll be really focusing on making this keyboard perfect. ;D

InterestingI ill keep an eye on this but is there more data on this? typing angle and effective front height? does it come with the battery or is that something to buy separately? You say this is going to be injection molded, I assume there has to be a big enough demand to satisfy those expensive molds and break point pricing based on quantities can be determined no?

We'll release other specs gradually after taking comments/suggestions to do some modifications.

And yes there will be a moq demand. So we hope more people love it.
That way maybe we can do some themes or subjects with it as NK65 does for next rounds. ;)

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 11:07:39 »
I am not a 65% guy, but GIB. Really love how this looks.

Cheers! :thumb:

Vint and BT?? I just lost

As we are cooperating with Scott from BIOI, we want to bring his amazing works on bluetooth to our keyboards. ;)

Really cool to see you updated your design according to the previous IC!
Is a hhkb-like spacebar-row a possibility? Just to get closer to that original Commodore64 look? A single spacebar row might be considered too niche..?

It'll be hard if we bring about this project in mold injection way. So we choose a general layout this time.

We hope Command 65 do well in selling then maybe we can produce it with aluminum by CNC for a pro version.
That way layouts will be more flexible. ;)

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 11:41:29 »
I joined your recent G60BLE Group Buy and now you're tempting me with another nice bluetooth board.   :p

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 11:48:20 »
Oh my...

This is hot af.

Just take my money already would you? :-X

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 12:37:57 »
Hi, will this be dirty/dusty and filled with gunk to fit the vintage theme? if so, I will be joining this gb
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 13:06:11 »
The bezels need to be WAY bigger. It just looks a regular sectioned 65% with a Commadore skin. Make it more "Cammadorish" please.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 16:37:25 »
The original c64 (and the caps) are iconic. So in for this. In whatever iteration you guys do...


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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 20:32:38 »
I keep saying to folks how much I liked typing on the original C64, so uh, yeah, I'm hoping this pans out.
I do hope the switch functions would be configurable.
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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 22:27:30 »
I joined your recent G60BLE Group Buy and now you're tempting me with another nice bluetooth board.   :p

 :D always nice to see you join us again.

Oh my...

This is hot af.

Just take my money already would you? :-X

 :eek: (reach to my pocket)

Hi, will this be dirty/dusty and filled with gunk to fit the vintage theme? if so, I will be joining this gb

That might need an afterward treatment by yourself. :-X

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 22:39:56 »
The bezels need to be WAY bigger. It just looks a regular sectioned 65% with a Commadore skin. Make it more "Cammadorish" please.

We assume you are talking about the top bezel right?
We pretty like the proportion of each side now. If there are others have the same opinion, we will try to edit it. :thumb:

The original c64 (and the caps) are iconic. So in for this. In whatever iteration you guys do...


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Thanks. We'll try our best. :)

I keep saying to folks how much I liked typing on the original C64, so uh, yeah, I'm hoping this pans out.
I do hope the switch functions would be configurable.


As our plan now, apart from BT switch, we are trying to make rest of two configurable. :D

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 22:57:10 »
I actually like how this is sleeker and more modern looking than the original


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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 22:58:42 »
I actually like how this is sleeker and more modern looking than the original
Same here.  :thumb:
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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 00:38:47 »
I love it! well done  :thumb:

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 04:46:36 »
I actually like how this is sleeker and more modern looking than the original

I actually like how this is sleeker and more modern looking than the original
Same here.  :thumb:

I love it! well done  :thumb:

Appreciate it! :thumb:

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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 07:23:07 »
Great to see more love for the good old Commodore 64.

Good work so far. For feedback I'd like to share my initial feelings upon seeing this:

Command 65 Logo

While the Commodore Logo Type has changed during its lifespan the digits have always remained the same. With a tiny exception of the silver labels, the 64 digits had been set in Eurostile/Microgramma font. To me this is crucial in getting the retro vibe. If the case color is of the original brown then I'd expect the full use of Eurostyle.

Front Bevel/Rounding

The bottom front rounding looks fully cylindrical, actually too much so. The C64s is a little flatter. The fact I'm bringing this up is, your current rounding reminds me more of an IBM Model M than a C64.

Back

The C64 has a slant on its upper housing. I always thought this was quite unique. Also see the front rounding in this image.


Top recesses

The top recesses to the rear seem a little shallow — sort of half way there. I always thought this design element is the most prominent and deserves fine tuning. Also notice the slight angle on the original.

Keycaps

The Cherry/OEMs keycaps don't work for me at all — this is not the face of the C64. In comparisson, the C128 had cylindrical keycaps, making it much more professional/office looking. For me a C64 design needs a high spherical sculpted profile. Current available profile options that may work are MT3 and SA in that order. Maybe check out Jim Drews project on kickstarter.

To me the keycaps are a make or break situation.

I wish you the very best and hope you find this feedback helpful.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 08:12:50 »
Hello again,

re-reading my comment I just realized, this was my first post here. I've been just lurking around.

So in order to not come across overly critical I wanted to follow up and link to my post, which was indeed inspired by this GB post here  :)

If you want have a read about my Commodore inspired project: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/hello-and-my-version-of-a-planck-64/14284

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 09:12:15 »
Keycaps

The Cherry/OEMs keycaps don't work for me at all — this is not the face of the C64. In comparisson, the C128 had cylindrical keycaps, making it much more professional/office looking. For me a C64 design needs a high spherical sculpted profile. Current available profile options that may work are MT3 and SA in that order. Maybe check out Jim Drews project on kickstarter.

To me the keycaps are a make or break situation.

Notice it is not replica of C64. It's merely inspired. I don't like Mt3, I don't like SA. I like Cherry profile and I am a treeleaf.  I don't mind the appearance  to get a superior typing feel.
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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 09:42:28 »

Notice it is not replica of C64. It's merely inspired. I don't like Mt3, I don't like SA. I like Cherry profile and I am a treeleaf.  I don't mind the appearance  to get a superior typing feel.

Note taken, thank you. The current design features your preferred feel of a typing experience – in this case, I'm happy for you. In the context of an IC I consider all feedback valuable so I took the liberty to provide mine. And by commenting on my preference you provided indirect feedback on yours, too. Good for the OP.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 10:32:45 »
Oh man I'm going to need one of these!!

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 10:43:40 »
omfg I need this

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 14:50:49 »
Looks like the same layout as the CA66?

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 20:24:16 »
Great to see more love for the good old Commodore 64.

Good work so far. For feedback I'd like to share my initial feelings upon seeing this:

Command 65 Logo

While the Commodore Logo Type has changed during its lifespan the digits have always remained the same. With a tiny exception of the silver labels, the 64 digits had been set in Eurostile/Microgramma font. To me this is crucial in getting the retro vibe. If the case color is of the original brown then I'd expect the full use of Eurostyle.
Show Image


Front Bevel/Rounding

The bottom front rounding looks fully cylindrical, actually too much so. The C64s is a little flatter. The fact I'm bringing this up is, your current rounding reminds me more of an IBM Model M than a C64.
Show Image


Back

The C64 has a slant on its upper housing. I always thought this was quite unique. Also see the front rounding in this image.
Show Image


Top recesses

The top recesses to the rear seem a little shallow — sort of half way there. I always thought this design element is the most prominent and deserves fine tuning. Also notice the slight angle on the original.

Keycaps

The Cherry/OEMs keycaps don't work for me at all — this is not the face of the C64. In comparisson, the C128 had cylindrical keycaps, making it much more professional/office looking. For me a C64 design needs a high spherical sculpted profile. Current available profile options that may work are MT3 and SA in that order. Maybe check out Jim Drews project on kickstarter.

To me the keycaps are a make or break situation.

I wish you the very best and hope you find this feedback helpful.

Hello again,

re-reading my comment I just realized, this was my first post here. I've been just lurking around.

So in order to not come across overly critical I wanted to follow up and link to my post, which was indeed inspired by this GB post here  :)

If you want have a read about my Commodore inspired project: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/hello-and-my-version-of-a-planck-64/14284


Thanks for the detailed comment.
It's really helpful to us and we are able to clarify some doubts. :D

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 20:29:10 »
Notice it is not replica of C64. It's merely inspired. I don't like Mt3, I don't like SA. I like Cherry profile and I am a treeleaf.  I don't mind the appearance  to get a superior typing feel.

Note taken, thank you. The current design features your preferred feel of a typing experience – in this case, I'm happy for you. In the context of an IC I consider all feedback valuable so I took the liberty to provide mine. And by commenting on my preference you provided indirect feedback on yours, too. Good for the OP.

Happy weekend

We hope we can come out with a final version to meet most people's taste.
And you guys have the responsibility to find your best typing experience. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 20:30:42 »
Oh man I'm going to need one of these!!

Glad you can join us!

Looks like the same layout as the CA66?

A bit difference in bottom row, overall they are quite the same. :)

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 21:51:37 »
Looks like the same layout as the CA66?
No, CA66 came with wither HHKb or WKL "like" bottom rows. This is just a very common, 65% layout with segmented sections.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 22 May 2021, 07:21:44 »
Guys, we will absorb all comments/suggestions this week and come out with our first version prototype.
But as the factory we are working with now in Taiwan, a person had infected COVID-19.
Which means factory will be shut down for a period, and our schedule is going to be delayed. :mad:

We hope you guys are healthy and safe, don't hanging around instead playing keebs at home. ;)

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« Reply #37 on: Sat, 22 May 2021, 09:14:00 »
I would personally pick up one of these if the case was constructed of a thick sturdy plastic (like a model m for instance) and not the thin, cheap polycarb used in all the new "starter" boards that have recently emerged (nk65, kbd67, portico, etc). I would pay for this kind of premium, stand the test of time, case. Otherwise, I'm digging the design as it has both a retro and modern vibe, and it definitely looks inspired by the source material.

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« Reply #38 on: Sat, 22 May 2021, 14:55:24 »
This is awesome, and I plan to join the GB.

Is it just me, or does the perspective of the renders look a little weird?

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 23 May 2021, 00:27:16 »
This is awesome, and I plan to join the GB.

Is it just me, or does the perspective of the renders look a little weird?

Maybe in some of the pictures. At least in fusion, having camera perspective set to "Orthographic" can cause unrealistic looking line stretches from angles like these. Not sure if its the same idea in rendering programs.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 23 May 2021, 06:24:13 »
This is awesome, and I plan to join the GB.

Is it just me, or does the perspective of the renders look a little weird?

Maybe in some of the pictures. At least in fusion, having camera perspective set to "Orthographic" can cause unrealistic looking line stretches from angles like these. Not sure if its the same idea in rendering programs.

Thanks for clarifying that. :)

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 00:12:16 »
Guys, we just got price of making a same colorway SA keyset that Commodore 64 has from SP.
The biggest problem will be the production. Now they are already been booked out through October of next year. :-[

Would you guys think making Command 65 and the keyset into the same GB, and ship them separately will be a good idea?
Of course the shipping fee will be charged twice. :-[

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 00:20:17 »
Guys, we just got price of making a same colorway SA keyset that Commodore 64 has from SP.
The biggest problem will be the production. Now they are already been booked out through October of next year. :-[

Would you guys think making Command 65 and the keyset into the same GB, and ship them separately will be a good idea?
Of course the shipping fee will be charged twice. :-[

Id rather have them be different GBs personally.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 00:50:48 »
I'm excited to hear about the keycaps for sure, but I also would be in favor of two separate group buys.
A-a-ron

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 05:16:06 »
I do not need another 65% but I need this!!!

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 11:52:34 »
Coupling Cars and Keyboard will result in a long wait for both. So I prefer to have separat group buys.


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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 13:08:19 »
I prefer SA, or another retro keycap form (becasue they are the best, objectively speaking... :p) but you could always see about getting them to do another round of these: https://drop.com/buy/buger-hammerworks-crp-c64-dye-subbed-keycap-set?utm_placement=4&referer=BYQRLW&mode=guest_open&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202020-11-18&utm_source=SparkPost&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional&utm_content=1605703769160.346904096140547704123995
I thought they were dope, and I'm still pissed i missed out on them..

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 20:08:22 »
Guys, we just got price of making a same colorway SA keyset that Commodore 64 has from SP.
The biggest problem will be the production. Now they are already been booked out through October of next year. :-[

Would you guys think making Command 65 and the keyset into the same GB, and ship them separately will be a good idea?
Of course the shipping fee will be charged twice. :-[

I am fine with delayed shipping of the keycaps and double shipping fee if you can get SP to run SA Retro again (with PETSCII sub legends).

However, you might be able to get some interesting alternatives for less - run it in ASA or OSA double shot and have the PETSCII UV or Pad printed on the front of the caps just like the original C64.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 01 June 2021, 22:41:23 »
The discord invite had expired, love the board would love more chonk to it tho !

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 02:04:16 »
>OP made zero mention of keycaps
>most of the replies so far are just arguing about keycaps
Am I missing something here?
Get your own keycaps, people!
The main attraction here is the mold injected case WITH a bluetooth-capable controller AND toggle switches. That's huge!

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 07:41:21 »
I’m so done with waiting fo SP group buys.
18 months lead time - no thanks.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 02 June 2021, 21:55:52 »
>OP made zero mention of keycaps
>most of the replies so far are just arguing about keycaps
Am I missing something here?
Get your own keycaps, people!
The main attraction here is the mold injected case WITH a bluetooth-capable controller AND toggle switches. That's huge!

"OP made zero mention of keycaps"
Read the thread again champ.
Roughly 8 post above yours, the OP says: Guys, we just got price of making a same colorway SA keyset that Commodore 64 has from SP.
The biggest problem will be the production. Now they are already been booked out through October of next year. :-[

Would you guys think making Command 65 and the keyset into the same GB, and ship them separately will be a good idea?
Of course the shipping fee will be charged twice.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 02:20:09 »
Thanks guys for all the feedbacks. :thumb:

We are now preparing our first case prototype. Hope it won't take too long to show you! :)

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 03 June 2021, 02:41:26 »
 :thumb: do want
the bad guy wins in this one

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 04:42:31 »
I think I'd prefer more recessed toggles like your inspiration photo, or maybe even something like slide switches, just to be a little more streamlined to the shape of the case. Likewise, I'd prefer to flip them side-to-side rather than up/down. The idea of indicator lights is appealing too. Would offering different modules be too ambitious at this point? Either way, I'd love to see how this turns out. My wife has fond childhood memories of playing games on her uncle's C64, apparently.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 15:33:22 »
I think I'd prefer more recessed toggles like your inspiration photo, or maybe even something like slide switches, just to be a little more streamlined to the shape of the case. Likewise, I'd prefer to flip them side-to-side rather than up/down. The idea of indicator lights is appealing too. Would offering different modules be too ambitious at this point? Either way, I'd love to see how this turns out. My wife has fond childhood memories of playing games on her uncle's C64, apparently.
Not me. I want those toggles to be like 3 in long. Like the ones on the Atari 2600.

Speaking of.... The 2600 would be a DOPE inspiration for a keeb after this one! In fact, i might just buy a case off ebay, and mod it to hold a pcb and plate..

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 17:49:07 »
I'm not even a retro person but this has my attention.

Dangit, y'all keep making me want more keebs than I have a need for!
Shhhhh...my wallet doesn't know I'm here.


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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 11 June 2021, 23:37:27 »
Not me. I want those toggles to be like 3 in long. Like the ones on the Atari 2600.

Speaking of.... The 2600 would be a DOPE inspiration for a keeb after this one! In fact, i might just buy a case off ebay, and mod it to hold a pcb and plate..

Well if you remind me of the 2600, I'm gonna start to want this in black... Or, go for broke, translucent.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 03:45:27 »
Hi guys. Here's our first 3D printed prototype photos of Command 65 (in main thread as well).

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We added a red indicator led as some people suggested. Give it another vintage feature. :thumb:

And since ICs and multiple materials are facing shortages around the world, we have the same problem after getting confirmation with our BT module supplier.
We would like to know if it will reduce your interest on Command 65 if it turns into a single mode wire RGB keyboard.
Please help us fill the form: https://forms.gle/MMmv8BVWzjPkTrG47

Thanks for the time!

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 04:15:56 »
Hi guys. Here's our first 3D printed prototype photos of Command 65 (in main thread as well).

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

We added a red indicator led as some people suggested. Give it another vintage feature. :thumb:

And since ICs and multiple materials are facing shortages around the world, we have the same problem after getting confirmation with our BT module supplier.
We would like to know if it will reduce your interest on Command 65 if it turns into a single mode wire RGB keyboard.
Please help us fill the form: https://forms.gle/MMmv8BVWzjPkTrG47

Thanks for the time!

Poggers!
I don't mind with the lack of BT. But please give us an ISO option (even better if hotswap).

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 10:17:32 »
We added a red indicator led as some people suggested. Give it another vintage feature. :thumb:

And since ICs and multiple materials are facing shortages around the world, we have the same problem after getting confirmation with our BT module supplier.
We would like to know if it will reduce your interest on Command 65 if it turns into a single mode wire RGB keyboard.
Please help us fill the form: https://forms.gle/MMmv8BVWzjPkTrG4
Red LED! Yass! Also, holy cow that looks great!

Wireless is always on the "nice to have" list for me. I don't seek it out as I have plenty of wired peripherals anyway. The only thing it really does for me is de-clutter the desk to a small degree.
A-a-ron

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 14:07:18 »
Wow that came out much better looking than expected.

The PCB reminds me of the CA66, is it using the same?

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 15:52:39 »
I’m fine with no Bluetooth, but what will the toggle switches be for if there is no Bluetooth?

I guess it could be the angle of the photo, but it looks like the keycaps stick to slightly more on the bottom row.  Any way you could raise the bezel 1mm to hide the keycap skirt?

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 29 June 2021, 17:00:59 »
No BT Sadge

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 22:54:42 »
Sup?
A-a-ron

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Custom 65% Bluetooth Keyboard Kit
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:24:25 »
>OP made zero mention of keycaps
>most of the replies so far are just arguing about keycaps
Am I missing something here?
Get your own keycaps, people!
The main attraction here is the mold injected case WITH a bluetooth-capable controller AND toggle switches. That's huge!

I agree. If u want cherry profile keycaps, plenty available in classic colours eg CRP anything.
If you want retro style keycaps, the new KATE profile from Rama is worth considering.

But let’s talk about this keyboard :) I’m interested. Hopefully the top mount isn’t too harsh to use.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 14:41:51 »
love this look! looking forward to updates on the project
      

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 15:04:49 »
Maybe c64 caps from CRP you can ask to run alongside? Looks great btw

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 20:40:12 »
oh nice, will the top mount have thread insert?, afraid it will be stripped without it.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 21 October 2021, 15:34:50 »
Any progress on this?

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 03 February 2022, 08:36:14 »
Hi guys. We are now manufacturing molds for Command 65.
Couple of photos and videos of progress were posted in our Discord channel.

Please join us: https://discord.gg/6vfnv6pc27

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 07 February 2022, 12:52:47 »
Hi guys. We are now manufacturing molds for Command 65.
Couple of photos and videos of progress were posted in our Discord channel.

Please join us: https://discord.gg/6vfnv6pc27

From what I can see the case looks great!  Is the prototyping finished and you’re just waiting on molds then?  Or do you anticipate more revisions?
« Last Edit: Mon, 07 February 2022, 12:54:22 by pixelpusher »

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (Mold Manufacturing Phase)
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 08 February 2022, 00:08:40 »
Form filled, GLWIC!!!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (Mold Manufacturing Phase)
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 08 February 2022, 18:04:11 »
i like this idea

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New renders are in first reply. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 15 February 2022, 09:26:13 »
Hi guys. We are now manufacturing molds for Command 65.
Couple of photos and videos of progress were posted in our Discord channel.

Please join us: https://discord.gg/6vfnv6pc27

From what I can see the case looks great!  Is the prototyping finished and you’re just waiting on molds then?  Or do you anticipate more revisions?

3D prototype finished. Now it's in mold manufacturing phase. :thumb:

Form filled, GLWIC!!!  :thumb:

i like this idea

Thanks. ;D

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Love the attention to detail

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I think so far from what I've seen this is the "retro" style keyboard I want the most. Big want.

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2022.2.15

Guys. Command 65 is currently in mold manufacturing stage. Here are some renders of different color cases that just came out.
Please leave any comment for us to know your interest, and feel free to suggest other colors you like.
We might have chances to make them come ture in the future. :D
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Army green please?

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No BT No interest

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I like the dark gray variant.

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Count me in on this one.  :thumb:

Offline EdgeOfInfinity

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BT is pretty important for me as i like to use these plastic boards wireless-ly since they're easier to physically move around. as for colors, would love to see retro beige(s) & gray(s) offered.

Offline marici22

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I'm loving the retro look of this keyboard. I use numpad a lot so if there's numpad version of it I'd be super interested in that.

Offline Starius

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It might be kind of nice if one of the board color options matched Matt3o's MT3 Retro keycap set which was inspired by the C64:

Offline geekit

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Lovely vintage design. Any info on the dimension btw?

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 27 March 2022, 11:59:05 »
I don't mind with the lack of BT. But please give us an ISO option (even better if hotswap).

I'd really like Bluetooth and an ISO compatible PCB if that's not unreasonable. I might still buy it without BT, but lack of ISO would be a deal-breaker for me.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - Mold Injected Dual Mode Keyboard (1st prototype out)
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 27 March 2022, 12:57:14 »
I don't mind with the lack of BT. But please give us an ISO option (even better if hotswap).

I'd really like Bluetooth and an ISO compatible PCB if that's not unreasonable. I might still buy it without BT, but lack of ISO would be a deal-breaker for me.

+1 :thumb:
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Offline speyer

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Very very excited for this keyboard. I wanted to point out that DROP is redoing this group buy at some point. This will be one of the perfect sets to match with this when it comes time. For anyone wanting a pretty close to accurate homage to the C64 with the Petscii symbols. Support just has to be shown I believe for the buy. They also are planning to redo with brown modifiers, so there will be choices. I hope all  of it happens!

Starius already mentioned this. :thumb:

https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-retro-keycap-set/talk#discussions

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I like MT3 a lot and if they did fix the set to be in a style closer to the real things I'd probably consider getting them. However, if they don't, these aren't bad either. I bought a set in anticipation of this board.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256803749470956.html
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Guys. Updates of prototype photos and typing sounds were just out! ;D

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Guys. Updates of prototype photos and typing sounds were just out! ;D

Amazing work!  So, how long until we can buy them?

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Guys. Updates of prototype photos and typing sounds were just out! ;D

Amazing work!  So, how long until we can buy them?

On August hopefully. :-X

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GB post is up!
Please check it here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117715.0

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - BT Keyboard with Toggle Switches (GB on 2022.7.21)
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 26 February 2023, 15:12:56 »
Will definitely order to support as a 25-year-old Retro lover! :D

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - BT Keyboard with Toggle Switches (GB on 2022.7.21)
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 18 June 2023, 08:31:19 »
@PlayKeyboardTW

PLEASE I BEG YOU can you do another run of these for those of us that missed out on the initial group buy.

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Re: [IC] Command 65 - BT Keyboard with Toggle Switches (GB on 2022.7.21)
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 18 June 2023, 09:02:18 »
Follow their discord for updates on their projects.

https://discord.gg/hZukRv7x
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