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Title: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:22:38

YATAGARASU

(https://zekk.in/up/yata1.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata2.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_no_plate.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_no_weight.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_full_plate.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_plate_partial.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_weight.png)


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Details
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Background:

I've been a very big fan of the WKL 60% layout since I saw xondat do it for the first X60 run. I definitely thought it was weird at first but after using an MX HHKB board I realized they're more or less the same, just with slightly different blocker situations. I think with the popularity of the X60, combined with the success of the E6-V2 and its WKL version, followed by the QXP, and now with KBDFans' budget Tofu option, we're entering the golden era of WKL 60%.

If you know me you know I'm a huge Japan buff and the mythology and folklore is not excluded -- my 78-key layout (only teased in Discord :p) design draws its name from the sword passed down from the gods to the imperial family, Kusanagi. In a similar sense this board draws its name from the mythological three-legged raven that symbolizes divine intervention.

Please keep in mind that this is a very early design and I am seeking out community feedback and constructive criticism (as well as find out what board I unintentionally copied)!

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Thanks for checking this out and I hope you like it.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: tomu on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:23:53
hi
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:24:29
i gave input on the plate design in discord so if it turns out ****ed up lemme know
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: xondat on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:24:54
ISO support?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Remsky on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:26:29
Ne korean flex meme cuts avail?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:27:08
I like the concept and the weight design - we are definitely entering a period of high popularity for winkeyless 60% layouts. Good to see it'd support standard PCBs as well. What, other than aesthetic considerations, would you say is novel about this design? Any unique materials/setups for plates (carbon fiber, polycarb half plate? alu half plate?, FR-4, etc)?

More in terms of the aesthetics, is it possible that we could expect a design with different sides (non-wedge)?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:33:00
Quote from: xondat on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:24:54
ISO support?

Maybe a fixed plate option, I really don't care for the large enter cutouts...

Quote from: LightningXI on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:27:08
I like the concept and the weight design - we are definitely entering a period of high popularity for winkeyless 60% layouts. Good to see it'd support standard PCBs as well. What, other than aesthetic considerations, would you say is novel about this design? Any unique materials/setups for plates (carbon fiber, polycarb half plate? alu half plate?, FR-4, etc)?

More in terms of the aesthetics, is it possible that we could expect a design with different sides (non-wedge)?

Honestly there's nothing extremely unique about this board at all in its current state -- that being said, I do prefer my keyboards to have some form of handle on the sides (a la CLS or Singa), so you can probably expect something along those lines. As far as plate options go I'm pretty interested in trying out some new stuff so I'm quite open to all sorts of suggestions!

Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:36:41
nice
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Midori on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:36:50
I love big Japan

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Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:39:22
Quote from: zekkin on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:33:00
Maybe a fixed plate option, I really don't care for the large enter cutouts...

+1 for fixed ANSI (WKL, option for split right shift, option for split backspace, option for stepped vs regular Caps Lock position)

Quote from: zekkin on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:33:00
I do prefer my keyboards to have some form of handle on the sides (a la CLS or Singa), so you can probably expect something along those lines.

Me too. I'd prefer to see something different from a wedge to break from the trend (hard to call anything a "trend" though since there's interest checks for custom keyboards every other week nowadays...)

Quote from: zekkin on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:33:00
As far as plate options go I'm pretty interested in trying out some new stuff so I'm quite open to all sorts of suggestions!

I'd be interested in softer materials and polymers. Brass and stainless steel have been go-tos when I prefer denser materials, but I want to now explore the other end of the spectrum. Aside from aesthetics, I really want to see designs that push differences in type-feel even if it's a bit of an experimental endeavor.

Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:48:43
Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:36:41
nice

no quote 9/10
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: young_won on Sun, 02 September 2018, 20:50:36
I recalled gmk samurai blue.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: ihalatch on Sun, 02 September 2018, 21:13:24
Awesome. Looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: otanishock on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:02:50
I think the design might be a bit too plain and does not make the board really stand out from the rest of the crew. Right now I feel like this is just a premium tofu more or less. Would love to see a more sophisticated design.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: OtherAndrew on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:08:53
very spice color
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Krelbit on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:09:50
i have hemorrhoids
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: M on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:21:48
Any colors you have in mind for the case?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:38:54
Really like the wkl 60.  Was going to buy a tofu but I figured more of these would show up sooner or later.  For side cuts, my favorite is the TX60/tx65design, so I’m hoping you’ll give that some thought. Could do something like ecoated zinc for case and plate?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: HardcoreDesk on Sun, 02 September 2018, 23:23:51
ne iso avail
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: audax989 on Mon, 03 September 2018, 11:14:27
Interested in that 78key layout more so because of the backstory. Would someone be able to share that? Interested in the weight design of that one. Really digging this raven too


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Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Nigolski on Mon, 03 September 2018, 12:28:06
sweet
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: switchnollie on Mon, 03 September 2018, 12:35:55
This looks clean, I like the extra beefy arm Trogdor look that the third leg of the raven gives.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Mon, 03 September 2018, 12:59:04
Heyo, here's a small update to the design -- an idea for the sides:

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_side.png)

Also something something fixed ISO plate...

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_fixed_iso.png)

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You might also notice the weight is no longer there...I got some suggestions from the Discord folks that this would either be impossible to machine or make the board very expensive. Back to the drawing board for that one.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: RSC on Mon, 03 September 2018, 15:57:55
I loved it with the weight...
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 03 September 2018, 16:33:43
Couldn’t you do a polygon like an isosceles trapezoid with the original weight engraved on it?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Mon, 03 September 2018, 16:34:15
Quote from: RSC on Mon, 03 September 2018, 15:57:55
I loved it with the weight...

I'm sorry, I liked it too but some things are just not feasible outside of CAD.

Quote from: pixelpusher on Mon, 03 September 2018, 16:33:43
Couldn’t you do a polygon like an isosceles trapezoid with the original weight engraved on it?

I'm working on something like this!
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: duckboi on Mon, 03 September 2018, 17:30:52
I'm proud of you papa Zekkin
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: glubazoid on Mon, 03 September 2018, 17:42:48
WKL feels retro to me, and so does thick bezels. What's the possibility of adding a larger bezel up top?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: packman86 on Mon, 03 September 2018, 17:57:47
This looks very interesting. The fixed plate(s) is a good idea.

Also, a simple weight design is preferred over no weight for me at least.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: taropaste on Mon, 03 September 2018, 21:49:51
Any chance for a poly case as an option? I love the poly case plus brass weight/plate look. I'm basically looking for a poly Singa but in 60% form lol.  Your design would be perfect for it! :D
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Tue, 04 September 2018, 08:04:49
Quote from: glubazoid on Mon, 03 September 2018, 17:42:48
WKL feels retro to me, and so does thick bezels. What's the possibility of adding a larger bezel up top?

I'll see what I can do, I quite like the smaller bezels.

Quote from: taropaste on Mon, 03 September 2018, 21:49:51
Any chance for a poly case as an option? I love the poly case plus brass weight/plate look. I'm basically looking for a poly Singa but in 60% form lol.  Your design would be perfect for it! :D

Honestly, there's pretty much zero chance of this happening in polycarbonate -- the complexities dealt with in the poly 910, poly Singa, and MX-SS are enough to guarantee that.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: ullr on Tue, 04 September 2018, 12:30:01
I love WKL 60% but I am getting tired of two and three part cases where the anode isn't a perfect match between top and bottom and they don't sit perfectly flush. Ideally if I were to pick up another one it would be one part with a tray mount PCB or use a bottom plate rather than top and bottom cases
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Tue, 04 September 2018, 14:45:20
Quote from: ullr on Tue, 04 September 2018, 12:30:01
I love WKL 60% but I am getting tired of two and three part cases where the anode isn't a perfect match between top and bottom and they don't sit perfectly flush. Ideally if I were to pick up another one it would be one part with a tray mount PCB or use a bottom plate rather than top and bottom cases

I haven't run into the issue of top/bottom pieces being different color on any of my purchased boards but I have seen it happen and will keep that in mind. As far as things not being flush, the most I can do about that is make sure my CAD doesn't have any weird extra faces, the rest is in the hands of the actual manufacturer (and then mine for QC).

I don't really care for tray mount as the feeling is quite bad -- at the point you might as well just design the pcb to be its own mount but then we're getting away from standard PCB usage.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 04 September 2018, 17:29:29
I find WKL 60% weird looking. But it's growing on me somewhat. I dig the halfplate option.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 07 September 2018, 07:06:32
Fixed ISO is amazing but that weight was really hot
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: Midori on Fri, 07 September 2018, 07:30:40
ne fixed split spacebar avail?

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Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: chouyu on Fri, 07 September 2018, 16:19:16
The thickness of the border is？
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:03:26
Quote from: loktrevor on Fri, 07 September 2018, 07:30:40
ne fixed split spacebar avail?

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Big negatory.

Quote from: chouyu on Fri, 07 September 2018, 16:19:16
The thickness of the border is？

Bezel is 6mm.

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Sorry for lack of updates, I've been busy with life stuff.

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_bottom_new.png)

(https://zekk.in/up/yata_bottom_new_2.png)

Changes:


Looking forward to more feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: whitty on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:34:49
So, I'm guessing an HHKB or standard top isn't even being considered?
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:35:13
Quote from: dsw408 on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:34:49
So, I'm guessing an HHKB or standard top isn't even being considered?

Correct.

Edit:

Just so it doesn't seem like I'm being dismissive -- having additional permutations of the board makes things more complex than what I'd want to deal with. Plus I really prefer WKL to both HHKB and standard, so there's that.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: whitty on Sun, 09 September 2018, 19:20:38
Quote from: zekkin on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:35:13
Quote from: dsw408 on Sun, 09 September 2018, 18:34:49
So, I'm guessing an HHKB or standard top isn't even being considered?

Correct.

Edit:

Just so it doesn't seem like I'm being dismissive -- having additional permutations of the board makes things more complex than what I'd want to deal with. Plus I really prefer WKL to both HHKB and standard, so there's that.

No worries, I totally understand
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: OtherAndrew on Mon, 10 September 2018, 20:24:27
weight is looking very juicy
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 10 September 2018, 20:26:09
Half plate and layout has me interested, definitely curious about trying a pbt plate.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 10 September 2018, 20:32:56
Quote from: Krelbit on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:09:50
i have hemorrhoids

me 2

rename it chunchunmaru and ill buy 3
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Tue, 11 September 2018, 00:51:16
Quote from: megaforce93 on Mon, 10 September 2018, 20:32:56
Quote from: Krelbit on Sun, 02 September 2018, 22:09:50
i have hemorrhoids

me 2

rename it chunchunmaru and ill buy 3

Definitely not changing the name to that lol

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Through weight more symmetrical now (it's close to the top bezel because that's where the case thickness necessary is):

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312287977151660042/488949132417957898/yata_through.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: OtherAndrew on Tue, 18 September 2018, 19:41:07
ne update avail
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Wed, 19 September 2018, 14:22:30
Sorry, I've lost interest in this design (seems like GH has as well) and life stuff has taken priority.
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: cldskt on Fri, 19 October 2018, 08:35:52
Nice. Too bad you have lost interest and IRL stuffs have taken priority (as it should be).
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: _GMK_ on Tue, 12 February 2019, 06:51:18
Quote from: OtherAndrew on Mon, 10 September 2018, 20:24:27
weight is looking very juicy
what
Title: Re: [IC] Yatagarasu - WKL 60%
Post by: zekkin on Tue, 12 February 2019, 08:11:05
Quote from: _GMK_ on Tue, 12 February 2019, 06:51:18
Quote from: OtherAndrew on Mon, 10 September 2018, 20:24:27
weight is looking very juicy
what

let's not bump 4 month old dead threads, thanks