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[IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 02:33:53 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:28:13 »
So, umm... Yuri?  :))

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:38:20 »
So, umm... Yuri?  :))


Hmmmmmmmmmm. Dunno. Could be.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:39:39 »
It is now gmk too  :))
I think that this without cyrillic is the current plan:
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:24:43 »

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It is now gmk too  :))
I think that this without cyrillic is the current plan:
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Both are so gooooooooooood

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 05:13:26 »
Looks really close to Yuri

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 05:18:43 »
I think at a glance Yuri and Flames might look somewhat similar. But after a proper comparison of the renders, the color tones of both sets are actually very different.

To me, Yuri has a somewhat blueish hue and the orange is very different from the red used in Flames.
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 06:28:59 »
damn

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 08:12:48 »
So, umm... Yuri?  :))
Are the alphas on Yuri white? Or am I blind? They look kind of blue and not white to me.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 08:13:49 »
The only thing I don't like about this set is the name :rolleyes:

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 08:50:55 »
Yuri has blue alphas, but the modifiers look very similar.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 08:56:04 »
For everyone comparing it to Yuri:

White ≠ Blue

Grey ≠ Dark Blue

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 09:38:03 »
I really don't think this looks anything like Yuri to be honest. I like them both very much though, looking forward to further developments Joseph (still obsessing over the Forare dream though ^-^)!

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 09:41:09 »
The colors are close, but still very different.

Plus, Yuri isn't the same without Cyrillic.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 09:50:12 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 09:51:07 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 10:20:08 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 10:44:39 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.

I just doesn't sit well for me, other than that it looks alright to me.


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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 15:26:08 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.

Spot on. Also, Pyro sounded a little too edgy to me.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 16:31:46 »
pretty good

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 16:38:57 »
Ember, Inferno, Blaze, Lava, or Magma? Pls.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 16:55:30 »
Ember, Inferno, Blaze, Lava, or Magma? Pls.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 17:45:57 »
I like the change from Pyro. If we kept going with Hydro and Pyro, what would the grass set be called?  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 17:51:33 »
I like the change from Pyro. If we kept going with Hydro and Pyro, what would the grass set be called?  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 17:56:48 »
I like the change from Pyro. If we kept going with Hydro and Pyro, what would the grass set be called?  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 18:13:02 »
This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.

Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.

Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 18:35:50 »
This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.

Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.

Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 22:54:21 »
I've got a board waiting for this!

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 00:12:46 »
I think at a glance Yuri and Flames might look somewhat similar. But after a proper comparison of the renders, the color tones of both sets are actually very different.

To me, Yuri has a somewhat blueish hue and the orange is very different from the red used in Flames.

Agreed. Even at a glance, overall they're very visually distinct despite similar individual colors.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 00:34:51 »
Count me in on this one!

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 02:04:24 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.

Shouldn't it be "Fire" Blast then, since that's the fire equivalent of "Hydro" Pump?

Bought into Hydro, and I love this set, but I hate that it could be coming so soon that my wallet can't recover. Definitely gonna try my best to get into this though.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 04:20:55 »
why flames?

why not Pyro?

Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.


I'm just waiting on the "Solar"beam.  :-X

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 04 November 2016, 04:29:55 »
Looking good jchan. I will be in on this just like Hydro.

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 02:57:47 »
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon  :))
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:02:20 »
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon  :))

Even the designer of carbon thinks differently ;)

This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.

Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.

Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.
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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:28:32 »
this is GMK Hydro..... in red.  :p :p :p :p
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[IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:47:35 »
This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.

Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.

Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 06:49:50 »
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon  :))
First it looks like Yuri now it looks like Carbon..? I personally don't see the resemblance at all.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 07:38:16 »
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon  :))
First it looks like Yuri now it looks like Carbon..? I personally don't see the resemblance at all.

Looks like GMK Carbon to me at first glance.

Not saying that's a good or bad thing.

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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 07:49:58 »
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon  :))
First it looks like Yuri now it looks like Carbon..? I personally don't see the resemblance at all.

Looks like GMK Carbon to me at first glance.

Not saying that's a good or bad thing.
I see Carbon more so than Yuri. The red really sets it apart from Carbon though.

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:35:13 »
GMK Red Storm

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:54:19 »
Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 08 November 2016, 19:09:44 »
Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?

Yessir. Identical pricing scheme.

I think the compatibility and color combos with it are fantastic and I wouldn't change a thing about it :).
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 09 November 2016, 17:25:07 »
Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?

Yessir. Identical pricing scheme.

I think the compatibility and color combos with it are fantastic and I wouldn't change a thing about it :).
So, if we bought two hydro, can we exchange one of the hydro for this :)


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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 09 November 2016, 18:31:07 »
Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?

Yessir. Identical pricing scheme.

I think the compatibility and color combos with it are fantastic and I wouldn't change a thing about it :).
So, if we bought two hydro, can we exchange one of the hydro for this :)


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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 12:56:02 »
Interested.  Great color way!  :thumb:

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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 13:20:26 »
Nice.  Maybe in.  Waiting for the hit from Nantucket and JTK Sophomore to see :)

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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 13:30:56 »
Looks great, count me in.

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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 10:19:52 »
I'm guessing we are looking at maybe March of next year for this to start? Sound about right?

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« Reply #49 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:48:51 »
Wait I thought this was called "Pyro" originally? Hydro, Pyro, Electro, ...

Can't wait to join this though!

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« Reply #50 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 15:09:34 »
Furnace is a better name.

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« Reply #51 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 19:02:32 »
This better be a GB after the XDA finished, or else you destroy my wallet  :)) :))

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 01:58:04 »
This better be a GB after the XDA finished, or else you destroy my wallet  :)) :))

Aha looks early 2017.
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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 02:24:30 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 02:35:14 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
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With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
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If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 02:54:46 »
There are currently no GMK keycap sets with NORDE support out there. Any set that offers this support at this point will receive a lot of interest from these countries. Many people there have long been waiting for a keycap set in their locale and never found one. Many of them stopped looking or switched to ANSI. I am trying to collect as many of them as possible and draw their attention to the GBs that support their locale layout.

With the help of buyers from NORDE countries, it might be possible to reach 250MOQ. This price drop would pay for the ISO-Essential keycaps.

Any GB participant who might not be interested in the ISO-Essential keycaps himself will still benefit from a better resell value of his keycaps. The few GMK keycap sets with international support will continue to be in high demand by all those looking for a localized set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 02:59:18 »
There are currently no GMK keycap sets with NORDE support out there. Any set that offers this support at this point will receive a lot of interest from these countries. Many people there have long been waiting for a keycap set in their locale and never found one. Many of them stopped looking or switched to ANSI. I am trying to collect as many of them as possible and draw their attention to the GBs that support their locale layout.

With the help of buyers from NORDE countries, it might be possible to reach 250MOQ. This price drop would pay for the ISO-Essential keycaps.

Any GB participant who might not be interested in the ISO-Essential keycaps himself will still benefit from a better resell value of his keycaps. The few GMK keycap sets with international support will continue to be in high demand by all those looking for a localized set.

Most definitely. If you have a mailing list, I would love to email people who need the keys and ask them if there is enough interest in running the ISO keys for Flames
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 03:02:43 »
I'll keep following this thread and try to get everyone on board before this leaves IC stage. Changes like this shouldn't be lobbied/pressed during a GB ...

Thanks for considering this, hope I can get this into one of your GMK GBs one day :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 04:15:40 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 09:22:40 »
Looks great! I'm in!

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 09:26:42 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
(Attachment Link)

There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 09:57:57 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
(Attachment Link)

There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.

I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 10:10:39 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
(Attachment Link)

There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.

I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.

No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 10:44:06 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
(Attachment Link)

There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.

I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.

No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.
Great that you are thinking globally! Maybe Europe will fit in your world some day.
When I marked the keys out I just selected the ones that less than 50% would buy as part of a GB, if given choice, based on previous GBs which had higher fidelity in the kit contents than is typically possible on a GMK buy. At 25~40% you could add numpad, then the rest is difficult to ascertain, as they are typically bundled even in SP GBs due to their low volume. Qualifier for winkeyless can sometimes be determined if 7U spacebars are sold only separately and for example on granite R4 winkeyless would be qualified at under 8%, which is already marginally lower than the qualifier for uk+international at 9%.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 10:51:23 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
(Attachment Link)

There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.

I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.

No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.
Great that you are thinking globally! Maybe Europe will fit in your world some day.
When I marked the keys out I just selected the ones that less than 50% would buy as part of a GB, if given choice, based on previous GBs which had higher fidelity in the kit contents than is typically possible on a GMK buy. At 25~40% you could add numpad, then the rest is difficult to ascertain, as they are typically bundled even in SP GBs due to their low volume. Qualifier for winkeyless can sometimes be determined if 7U spacebars are sold only separately and for example on granite R4 winkeyless would be qualified at under 8%, which is already marginally lower than the qualifier for uk+international at 9%.

The insult is unnecessary.

As for the keys, those are the keys that are bundled as standard with most GMK sets. You marked off a good deal of them which many nowadays come as part of the main kit. My intention was never to add the ISO-specific sets, but a retort of your removal of many of the keys which are now considered part of the main kit in many, if not all, of the recent GMK GBs. There are far many more users of Winkeyless and full-size keyboards in this hobby than there are of language-specific kits. Or perhaps that's just the vocal majority; I'm basing my view on the pictures I've seen on geekhack, /r/mechanicalkeyboards, Massdrop, and Slack. (I don't frequent deskthority as much these days, so I can't gauge my opinion on that. However, when I did browse there frequently they seemed more inclined to older keyboards and keysets than modern sets (save, of course, for 7bit's stuff).)
For the extras, those are based on jchan's personal preference for his set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 11:26:39 »
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.

This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:
Show Image


With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):
Show Image

If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.

I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0

I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.

In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.
(Attachment Link)

There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.

I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.

No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.
Great that you are thinking globally! Maybe Europe will fit in your world some day.
When I marked the keys out I just selected the ones that less than 50% would buy as part of a GB, if given choice, based on previous GBs which had higher fidelity in the kit contents than is typically possible on a GMK buy. At 25~40% you could add numpad, then the rest is difficult to ascertain, as they are typically bundled even in SP GBs due to their low volume. Qualifier for winkeyless can sometimes be determined if 7U spacebars are sold only separately and for example on granite R4 winkeyless would be qualified at under 8%, which is already marginally lower than the qualifier for uk+international at 9%.

The insult is unnecessary.

As for the keys, those are the keys that are bundled as standard with most GMK sets. You marked off a good deal of them which many nowadays come as part of the main kit. My intention was never to add the ISO-specific sets, but a retort of your removal of many of the keys which are now considered part of the main kit in many, if not all, of the recent GMK GBs. There are far many more users of Winkeyless and full-size keyboards in this hobby than there are of language-specific kits. Or perhaps that's just the vocal majority; I'm basing my view on the pictures I've seen on geekhack, /r/mechanicalkeyboards, Massdrop, and Slack. (I don't frequent deskthority as much these days, so I can't gauge my opinion on that. However, when I did browse there frequently they seemed more inclined to older keyboards and keysets than modern sets (save, of course, for 7bit's stuff).)
For the extras, those are based on jchan's personal preference for his set.
I have noticed that you are against adding locale specific keys. I am for adding them, if that was unclear.
I am merely stating that the 'de-facto' standard GMK set content does not make sense if championed by anything else than the arbitrariness of the GB leader. I stated my viewpoint because jchan defended his arbitrary kit content based on what most use and or need, and that there might be more ISO users who would make use of the locale specific keys than there are for some keys that are already included in the 'de-facto' GMK kit contents.
Do you have statistics from your picture analysis? My analysis on the subject is based on how well kits typically sell, although the demographic for GMK buys might be vastly different from SP group buys.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 13:30:34 »
Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.

You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 16 November 2016, 13:47:19 »
Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.

You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.
I wonder what is the price of the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row? From the granite R4 analysis it seems that it is about as popular as norde-uk would be.

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oh its pyro now.  ;D

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 18 November 2016, 09:16:50 »
Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.

You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.
I wonder what is the price of the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row? From the granite R4 analysis it seems that it is about as popular as norde-uk would be.

It's my assumption, from my time being here and other keyboard forums, that Winkeyless is more popular than any ISO kit; you have people in ISO using 7u space bars, as well as all over the rest of the world. You have to remember that Granite was in its fourth run at the time, so it may be that people already picked up the main kits in earlier rounds. I remember the thread for Granite in its latest round and there were many who were joining simply to pick up any odd child packs they didn't already obtain in earlier rounds.
GMK sets cannot be compared easily to how SP sets are broken and run. GMK standard main packs are very similar to what's being done in this IC--not much more, not much less.

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Re: [IC] GMK Flames
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 18 November 2016, 10:17:47 »
Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.

You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.
I wonder what is the price of the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row? From the granite R4 analysis it seems that it is about as popular as norde-uk would be.

It's my assumption, from my time being here and other keyboard forums, that Winkeyless is more popular than any ISO kit; you have people in ISO using 7u space bars, as well as all over the rest of the world. You have to remember that Granite was in its fourth run at the time, so it may be that people already picked up the main kits in earlier rounds. I remember the thread for Granite in its latest round and there were many who were joining simply to pick up any odd child packs they didn't already obtain in earlier rounds.
GMK sets cannot be compared easily to how SP sets are broken and run. GMK standard main packs are very similar to what's being done in this IC--not much more, not much less.
I'm well aware of what previous gmk sets have comprised of. I would not be voicing my opinion if I did not want a slight change to it.

There are also european people living across the world, same as winkeyless users. Also, why the sudden interest in winkeyless ISO users? You did not seem to have any before. I dare to say that if an opportunity, first ever, to buy an international gmk set presents itself, I don't think that a small issue like 1,5U mods are going to make one not buy the set.

As far as I know the fourth granite run was the largest one yet, and if people were, as you suggest, mainly picking extras, would it not show as an additional interest in, say, winkeyless layout? By your argument the popularity of winkeyless layout would be even lower than 8% in a typical buy.

If SP kit popularity/structure cannot be used to determine the need for certain keys, how can you at the same time use them to say that international keys are a small minority?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-18-16 Renders added)
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 18 November 2016, 10:59:53 »
I really like the original mock up.   Red print over over orange.

Can we also get nibbed F and J keys as well??

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-18-16 Renders added)
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 20 November 2016, 07:00:09 »
I really like the original mock up.   Red print over over orange.

Can we also get nibbed F and J keys as well??

No nibs, only bars. Sorry mate :P
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Render)
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 07:47:54 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Render)
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 08:09:41 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
Needs some nordic ISO love, otherwise a great looking set!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 21:50:53 »
i'm a fan of the orange red, but overall the set isn't for me. I hope this does as well or better than Hydro!

Now, wake me up when GMK Electric becomes a thing. That set looks pretty much right up my alley.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Render)
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 22:22:37 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

I like!

Will there be scooped F and Js?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Render)
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 07:02:19 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?

Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps.  :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #78 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 07:43:16 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?

Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps.  :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.

Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

I like!

Will there be scooped F and Js?

Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.

Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #79 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 08:55:45 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?


White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?

Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps.  :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.

Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

I like!

Will there be scooped F and Js?

Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.

Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D

Sorry what change? Are you keep the white on orange keys? I think they look sick. Adds character to the whole set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #80 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 10:51:16 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?

Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps.  :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.

Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

I like!

Will there be scooped F and Js?

Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.

Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D

Hi jchan, for this particular colour scheme, I certainly think White on Red looks much better than N9 on Red, I understand the desire to maintain consistency between sets but in this case white looks better. Although I would still like to see the mockup with N9 on red, just to see how it would fit in with the whole set
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 10:53:28 »
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?

Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps.  :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.

Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)

Edit:

Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?

I like!

Will there be scooped F and Js?

Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.

Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D

Hi jchan, for this particular colour scheme, I certainly think White on Red looks much better than N9 on Red, I understand the desire to maintain consistency between sets but in this case white looks better. Although I would still like to see the mockup with N9 on red, just to see how it would fit in with the whole set

You are most definitely correct. I've talked it over with a few people and they believe the RED and WHITE will be best for it.

I think we will push forward with this GMK render when we are ready to launch it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 22:27:21 »


More news to come as we press and finalize the novelty designs.


Looking forward to novelties, probably will jump on those at the very least!


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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 17:04:34 »
Is it going to be more orange like the GMK mockup or more red like the renders done by Zan? Upon closer inspection it seems more orange than I remember anyways....anywho looks good!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 29 November 2016, 17:53:46 »
Is it going to be more orange like the GMK mockup or more red like the renders done by Zan? Upon closer inspection it seems more orange than I remember anyways....anywho looks good!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 23:43:37 »
GMK Electric interest.!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 02:34:54 »
Im down with this. Do a green set after the red :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 10 December 2016, 05:16:38 »
Probably going Red then Yellow as I spend more time on the green one
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 12:55:13 »
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOO

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:19:25 »
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOO

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Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:22:44 »
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOO

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Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!

oh man...this is the first I hear of a possible zelda set...

@_@ sounds like a dream
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:27:58 »
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOO

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Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!

oh man...this is the first I hear of a possible zelda set...

@_@ sounds like a dream

Well, it started as the complementary set to Hydro and Pyro, but didn't work as well as he wanted, so now it's looking like a Hylian theme.



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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:32:59 »
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOO

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Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!

Agreed- so dang excited that Hydro is in the now-foreseeable future! Pyro looks pretty dang sweet too- the black and red combo is such a classic... And Zelda?? Guessing that will be the green set? Yes, please.

With Hydro shipping soon then on to the JC65, hoping/ guessing Pyro rolls onward February-ish? All are really great key sets, Jchan- great start to 2017!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #93 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:39:33 »
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOO

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Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!

oh man...this is the first I hear of a possible zelda set...

@_@ sounds like a dream

Well, it started as the complementary set to Hydro and Pyro, but didn't work as well as he wanted, so now it's looking like a Hylian theme.

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« Reply #94 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:40:27 »
count me in!
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« Reply #95 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 13:46:44 »
Hylian alphas are the dream

100%. I'm sure JC hasn't forgotten about Forare, I know I haven't, and given the fact it is DSA having Hylian alphas should be just as easy as it was for Granite and XDA to get Tengwar - who knows, if XDA succeeds maybe we'll even have XDA Forare instead of DSA.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 11 January 2017, 08:34:30 »
Super interested in electric, or should I say electro?  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 11 January 2017, 12:34:49 »
Really like the Pyro set. Would definitely be picking one up


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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 15 January 2017, 19:15:44 »
Finally another red keyset for red boards :)
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 15 January 2017, 19:53:24 »
Agreed. I like this one a lot. In for sure when it goes up.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 16 January 2017, 05:12:24 »
Novelties almost done.

Maybe sometime next week I'll post them :).

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« Reply #101 on: Mon, 16 January 2017, 09:43:02 »
Novelties almost done.

Maybe sometime next week I'll post them :).

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« Reply #102 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 12:04:43 »
I've abandoned SA for GMK, so really looking for sets, and this one is fire! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 15 February 2017, 23:30:26 »
Hey man,


Is this still going to be a thing? I just decided that this would be the one that will go on my E8-V1 if it does go through :v

edit: oops didnt see that u updated the OP. woot hope this goes through when Hydro is all done and over with!!!!
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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 18 February 2017, 05:33:29 »
Colorway looks great!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #105 on: Sat, 18 February 2017, 05:36:58 »
Hi everyone,

I'm updating the kit for this set :). I've already asked GMK for it already, and here are the changes from the current GMK render:

1) All Legends: RO2
2) Change Caps Lock to Caps Lock w/ LED.
3) Change 1x Alt (for each size) to Alt Gr
4) Add Stepped Control Cap.

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« Reply #106 on: Sat, 18 February 2017, 06:40:28 »
Hi everyone,

I'm updating the kit for this set :). I've already asked GMK for it already, and here are the changes from the current GMK render:

1) All Legends: RO2
2) Change Caps Lock to Caps Lock w/ LED.
3) Change 1x Alt (for each size) to Alt Gr
4) Add Stepped Control Cap.

Have a good one! :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 19 February 2017, 22:41:19 »
I'm excited for this set! Colors actually look very similar to an original NES.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 21 February 2017, 23:42:24 »
Hi Everyone!

Here are the novelties for GMK Pyro.

We'll have a much smaller novelty pack this time around.

We will not be going with the dragon, and the Chinese lantern. Still looking to see which ones I'm going to go with other than that.

I'm thinking the chinese character of fire + Volcano + bottom right fire. Thoughts?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 00:22:51 »
Thought for sure this was a Pokémon set like Hydro. Novelties still look pretty awesome though!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 01:58:32 »
Thought for sure this was a Pokémon set like Hydro. Novelties still look pretty awesome though!

Tried to do it! But it was very difficult.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 02:08:01 »
We need charmander!!!

Either way, I'm probably in for 2 sets again, similar to Hydro.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 02:19:34 »
I like volcano+Phoenix+fire on bottom right

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 02:32:47 »
I like volcano+Phoenix+fire on bottom right

Yeah I think those + the fire symbol will make the cut! :D
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 02:42:47 »
火 for sure.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 04:37:17 »
Thought for sure this was a Pokémon set like Hydro. Novelties still look pretty awesome though!

Tried to do it! But it was very difficult.
No complaints here man. Love the volcano and the Phoenix. It's a surprisingly nice looking colorway for me. I'm usually a blue all the way guy but the red looks nice.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #116 on: Wed, 22 February 2017, 17:43:51 »
Hi Everyone!

Here are the novelties for GMK Pyro.

We'll have a much smaller novelty pack this time around.

We will not be going with the dragon, and the Chinese lantern. Still looking to see which ones I'm going to go with other than that.

I'm thinking the chinese character of fire + Volcano + bottom right fire. Thoughts?

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How about a zippo lighter flame, lit match or the fire/flammable material warning pictograms?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #117 on: Fri, 24 February 2017, 02:08:08 »
Don't know if it's too late, but a fire hazard novelty might look cool. Something like this:
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There's also potential in a very simplified version of the Fire Department crest:
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I like this set. The orange legends on the alphas definitely set it apart from the rest!

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 24 February 2017, 16:54:46 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?


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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #119 on: Fri, 24 February 2017, 19:43:36 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?

Sorry, but no! D:

Just updated the layout with a render from GMK.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 24 February 2017, 23:40:04 »
Jchan you are putting so much good stuff out. I am just to sad that i can get any sets to put on a board for a good real use since this F****** norde MOQ never ending problem.. :(

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 25 February 2017, 07:12:13 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?

Sorry, but no! D:

Just updated the layout with a render from GMK.

RO2 looks flashier than P3 on the alphas. It feels more Pyro!  :)

Two icon menu caps (1u and 1.25u) have been added. I understand these go with the Windows 95 caps but wouldn't the text version "Menu" look nicer? It would also be double-shot instead of pad-printed. I don't know if GMK already has a mold for it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #122 on: Sat, 25 February 2017, 20:27:47 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?

With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #123 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 05:27:52 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?

With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.

the biggest problem is double import fees + shipping probably
the german gb was 135€ while plum currently runs at about 220€ for base + international addon with tax + import duty included for me (probably even worse for others)
i would still pay it but unfortunatly and also understandably most dont  :(

it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #124 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 05:51:32 »
Damn, I wasnt aware that the sales for the int. kit where this low :/

The double import fees is the main reason I didnt try to buy GMK sets in the past.
I live about 100Km from the GMK Headquaters and have the keycaps shipped thousands of kilometers.. that just seems stupid.

I noticed a German Vendor trying to establish a european keyboard/keycaps shop, but unfortunately I dindnt save the page. Does anyone know which shop that might have been? He was based in Munich I believe.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 07:34:44 »
it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet

Except you would still have to pay VAT regardless of where it is being shipped from, only difference being shipping costs and handling/storage fees where applicable and the fact that Germany (where GMK is located) may potentially have lower taxing than your country (19% as opposed to our 23% for example).

The $100 + whatever the int. kit costs you're paying on Massdrop is the US price aka not paying tax at all, if you were to buy it within Germany you'd still get taxed - if you're aware of how things are handled elsewhere, for example audio equipment which is what I am familiar with, European stores that resell American brands include VAT for EU customers, however if someone is buying off of them from outside the EU (a country where VAT is not applicable, for example the US for whatever reason) the VAT is deducted off of the base price for Europe and they pay less.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 07:52:41 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?

With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.

the biggest problem is double import fees + shipping probably
the german gb was 135€ while plum currently runs at about 220€ for base + international addon with tax + import duty included for me (probably even worse for others)
i would still pay it but unfortunatly and also understandably most dont  :(

it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet
The 'problem' here is that you are comparing non-profit and for-profit group buys. If you think that the prices are too high consider running a non-profit buy yourself. The import fees from ETA to USA are minimal and MD, keyclack et al do not charge VAT for international orders.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #127 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 09:40:05 »
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?

With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.

the biggest problem is double import fees + shipping probably
the german gb was 135€ while plum currently runs at about 220€ for base + international addon with tax + import duty included for me (probably even worse for others)
i would still pay it but unfortunatly and also understandably most dont  :(

it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet
The 'problem' here is that you are comparing non-profit and for-profit group buys. If you think that the prices are too high consider running a non-profit buy yourself. The import fees from ETA to USA are minimal and MD, keyclack et al do not charge VAT for international orders.

while you are right, the price point could maybe stay closer to the 190-195 mark instead of 220. massdrop is certainly cheap on shipping costs too, while this is not always an option at other vendors + alot less hassle in general (customs department taking weeks to process, ...)
while that is not a real concern for me (i bought plum base + both addons, unfortunatly needing to cancle since the int addon probably wont reach moq) it might be for some other people. especially when reading german forums.

im thinking about running a non profit group buy for some time, since its seems almost impossible to get gmk sets i like  :))

Damn, I wasnt aware that the sales for the int. kit where this low :/

The double import fees is the main reason I didnt try to buy GMK sets in the past.
I live about 100Km from the GMK Headquaters and have the keycaps shipped thousands of kilometers.. that just seems stupid.

I noticed a German Vendor trying to establish a european keyboard/keycaps shop, but unfortunately I dindnt save the page. Does anyone know which shop that might have been? He was based in Munich I believe.


i think you mean candykeys

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #128 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 11:06:44 »
The import fees from ETA to USA are minimal and MD, keyclack et al do not charge VAT for international orders.

Yea that always helps, however it is not really an option for larger companies such as MD for understandable reasons - it's really the only way around being hit, the amount one would save by having the sets ship directly from Germany would be around like $20 at most (the handling fees + 3-5%~ difference between German VAT and most other countries').

While it is hard to blame the minuscule numbers international kits bring in on that alone it is a common misconception that I believe does affect it in a meaningful way; if everyone understood how VAT is applied there'd be much less of a "wow MD is fkn us up by shipping the GMK sets to the US only to ship them back and make us pay taxes" ordeal going on and orders would go up accordingly.

Now what does suck massively is how long it takes for customs to release packages over here - where I live at least it takes at LEAST a month unless you go down to their offices which is what I need to do every time I get something I don't want to wait for. That I could definitely do without.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #129 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:03:48 »
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buys

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #130 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:33:02 »
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buys
I think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #131 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 17:08:55 »
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buys
I think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.

The person receiving, even if multiple shipments, must have paid for those sets, if that makes sense.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #132 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 21:03:56 »
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buys
I think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.

The person receiving, even if multiple shipments, must have paid for those sets, if that makes sense.
So if two people will be receiving, each person has to have paid for their respective allocation?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #133 on: Fri, 03 March 2017, 19:18:41 »
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buys
I think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.

The person receiving, even if multiple shipments, must have paid for those sets, if that makes sense.
So if two people will be receiving, each person has to have paid for their respective allocation?

Correct.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:31:06 »
Newest renders by Zambumon. Leaning towards white legends on the accents



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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:34:56 »
The white legends give it to much white in my opinion.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:35:09 »
Love this set, it's a must buy for me... and it's must buy with white or N9 legends on the accents, but I really like the N9. To my eye, it blends better with the set. The white is a bit sharp but I would dig it either way.

Nicely done, as usual.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #137 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 20:41:46 »
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I think that N6 as the legends would look good on the accent keys.  Any takers?
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #138 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 20:45:32 »
I prefer the darker novelties as well, white is a little too bright to my eyes

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #139 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 21:27:04 »
I like the white legends better. I generally prefer white when possible because it only helps to accent and pop the actual colors. This is def the next keycap set I pick up. It will match great with the silver Exent that I have coming - its gonna be hot! (pun intended?)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #140 on: Wed, 15 March 2017, 21:56:41 »
Personally more interested in and excited to see novelties/renders for gmk electric

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 17:23:06 »
Both white and N9 look good. However, white adds that extra bit of pop and gives the set the fire extinguisher feel!  :cool:

Also, I think that the bottom row novelties and the rest of the accented keycaps (including the Esc novelty) should have their respective legends be distinct colors. Having the three bottom row novelties with the same white legends as the other red caps feels weird on these renders.

A mix of N9 legends on the bottom row novelties and white legends on all the other accented caps would look pretty good, IMO.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 18:17:37 »
I personally prefer the white. It makes it pop really nicely imo, I think the 'sharpness' that some people dislike is more present on a render than it would be irl? I might be wrong but just a thought.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #143 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 15:00:05 »
not as much of a fan of the white legends on the accent keys, but looks good either way

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #144 on: Sat, 18 March 2017, 16:21:41 »
I prefer white legends but I think it looks good either way. :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #145 on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 03:49:15 »
I like the darker legends more.

Totaly unrelated, does anyone know anything about this render?
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I found through google image search and have no idea if anything like it exists.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #146 on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 05:13:24 »
I like the darker legends more.

Totaly unrelated, does anyone know anything about this render?
(Attachment Link)
I found through google image search and have no idea if anything like it exists.

This is a thesiscamper render. That's all I know.

The source is:
http://www.keyrenders.com/0hg1u6gqycs2tj8dyb3y78suvumf4g
http://www.keyrenders.com/2enqjjqmnk4915jiea6fsz4vhnhyfe

Edit: real source
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ0XSN3AIGq/
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #147 on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 12:10:24 »
I like the darker legends more.

Totaly unrelated, does anyone know anything about this render?
(Attachment Link)
I found through google image search and have no idea if anything like it exists.

The IC is on http://www.keyrenders.com/interest-checks/ I believe. 

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #148 on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 21:31:29 »
 >:DI'm feeling the white legends.  >:D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #149 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 22:26:14 »
Interested

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #150 on: Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:22:34 »
Hey any updates to this? I'm super excited for this set, it'll be my first GMK set! :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #151 on: Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:37:56 »
Hey any updates to this? I'm super excited for this set, it'll be my first GMK set! :D

You'll see it so soon. I can almost taste it.

Some small quirks gotta get worked out about the kit and it's offered pricing. Trying to hit around $130 or so for it without killing compatibility
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #152 on: Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:54:37 »
$130 is a great price for such a set :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #153 on: Tue, 04 April 2017, 00:22:43 »
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first

P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!
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« Reply #154 on: Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:05:28 »
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first

P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!

Unless you have one of the variants of colour deficiency syndrome (colour-blindness), these two sets do not even have any colours in common. Yuri is Orange legends on dark and light blue, this set is red legends on white and dark grey.
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Offline ashwinv11

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 13 April 2017, 16:13:39 »

You'll see it so soon. I can almost taste it.

Some small quirks gotta get worked out about the kit and it's offered pricing. Trying to hit around $130 or so for it without killing compatibility

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #156 on: Fri, 12 May 2017, 13:01:34 »
Is this still happening at a later date? Guessing Oblivion and the new website pushed this back? Not complaining because between oblivion, k-type, yuri, and carbon in June I'm going to be broke but still hoping this happens...just far enough into the future that I can let my wallet recover.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 12 May 2017, 17:49:14 »
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first

P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!

Unless you have one of the variants of colour deficiency syndrome (colour-blindness), these two sets do not even have any colours in common. Yuri is Orange legends on dark and light blue, this set is red legends on white and dark grey.

Here is a side-by-side comparison. The pic from Yuri is from the massdrop page (cropped, otherwise unedited). The pyro pic I'm sure you've seen before, also cropped but otherwise unedited.

Personally from these pictures it's a little hard to tell the difference but I'm sure the difference is instantly apparently irl.


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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #158 on: Fri, 12 May 2017, 21:01:43 »
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first

P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!

Unless you have one of the variants of colour deficiency syndrome (colour-blindness), these two sets do not even have any colours in common. Yuri is Orange legends on dark and light blue, this set is red legends on white and dark grey.

Here is a side-by-side comparison. The pic from Yuri is from the massdrop page (cropped, otherwise unedited). The pyro pic I'm sure you've seen before, also cropped but otherwise unedited.

Personally from these pictures it's a little hard to tell the difference but I'm sure the difference is instantly apparently irl.
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afaik, yuri is a dark 'navy' blue and red/orange accents. pyro is red and dark gray.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #159 on: Mon, 12 June 2017, 17:11:26 »

afaik, yuri is a dark 'navy' blue and red/orange accents. pyro is red and dark gray.

A much better combo in my opinion  ;D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #160 on: Wed, 14 June 2017, 15:33:23 »
Why do you insist on pad printed Win keys? Switch to Win10 logo or diamond key or whatever, but no pad printed keys pls  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #161 on: Thu, 29 June 2017, 21:38:01 »
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.

As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #162 on: Thu, 29 June 2017, 23:25:22 »
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.

As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.

Red Alert and (at least based on all the renders) Yuri?

I'm still waiting on a full purple set :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #163 on: Fri, 30 June 2017, 00:03:20 »
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.

As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.

jchan is bringing GMK Forge with Ryu soon! Don't be sad :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #164 on: Fri, 30 June 2017, 00:10:59 »
It must be a fantastic combination with GMK Honeywell
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #165 on: Fri, 30 June 2017, 03:19:59 »
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.

As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.

jchan is bringing GMK Forge with Ryu soon! Don't be sad :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #166 on: Fri, 30 June 2017, 08:23:30 »
What's this GMK Electric?
That looks really nice.

Any plans for something like GMK TA Royal Alpha as well?
I'd love me some Royal Alpha stuff...

Bring back the OG stuff!
I like the GMK Black on White that someone is bringing.
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #167 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 02:55:40 »
still waiting for this tho...

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #168 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 18:51:57 »
What's this GMK Electric?
That looks really nice.

Any plans for something like GMK TA Royal Alpha as well?
I'd love me some Royal Alpha stuff...

Bring back the OG stuff!
I like the GMK Black on White that someone is bringing.

What does Jchan have to do with Royal Alpha or BoW? This thread is for Pyro  :confused:
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #169 on: Fri, 11 August 2017, 16:06:49 »
I am not sure if this was addressed already but what will be the final colours of the accents? 

The GMK renders seem to be orange and the Zambumon renders look more red. Which one is closer to the final product?
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #170 on: Sat, 12 August 2017, 02:11:42 »
I am not sure if this was addressed already but what will be the final colours of the accents? 

The GMK renders seem to be orange and the Zambumon renders look more red. Which one is closer to the final product?

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #171 on: Tue, 15 August 2017, 06:15:28 »
Hey any updates to this? I'm super excited for this set, it'll be my first GMK set! :D

You'll see it so soon. I can almost taste it.

Some small quirks gotta get worked out about the kit and it's offered pricing. Trying to hit around $130 or so for it without killing compatibility

This is still going to happen, right?  :eek:

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #172 on: Sun, 20 August 2017, 19:20:14 »
I'm incredibly excited for this one! I'll be patient for it as long as it's still coming out :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #173 on: Mon, 21 August 2017, 11:41:41 »
I realize that this isn't the interest check for GMK Electric, but I can't help but mention that I think it would be better to have different coloured mods and alphas for it. I get that it's probably a contrast issue that Hydro and Pyro don't face, but even something like the dark grey mods vs light(er) grey alphas of Oblivion would be better imo.

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #174 on: Wed, 27 December 2017, 02:23:16 »
Any updates on this set? Will love to get this lovely set some time soon!
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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #175 on: Thu, 11 January 2018, 11:04:23 »
Needs mo fire

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #176 on: Fri, 12 January 2018, 23:32:07 »
What would I need to do in order to get a 2u shift included in this set? I'm begging you

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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #177 on: Sat, 13 January 2018, 00:45:20 »
not sure if you're going with the pokemon theme, but this would be a great set to use the tranluscent fire novelty from GMK Camping


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Re: [IC] GMK Pyro (11-25-16 GMK Mockup added)
« Reply #178 on: Sat, 13 January 2018, 10:09:01 »
In another thread, jchan has said that with the stress in his life, he will not be running GBs for a while.