Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 04:07:13
The time has come to relaunch one of the greatest classics in this hobby, GMK 9009! When Dixie and I launched the GB for GMK 9009 R2 back in 2017, it broke records. 2 years and a lot of rerun requests later, we figured the time had come to go back to our roots.
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Vendor links
GMK 9009 is priced at high MOQs with no price drops, meaning it'll be cheap for you from day 1! It'll be sold by these amazing vendors.
- DailyClack for Oceania (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-9009)
- Dixiemech for the US (https://dixiemech.store/collections/gmk-9009-round-3)
- Mykeyboard for Europe (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-9009-round-3_184/)
- iLumkb for Asia (https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/groupbuygmk-9009-r3)
Design
Inspiration
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As some of you may know GMK 9009 is inspired by the Cherry board designed for Reuters. This board featured the now-famous combination of classic beige with some muted, pastel accents. Over the years this colourway has gained a lot of popularity in this hobby for its classic looks and its great versatility. It really is hard to find a case colour that doesn’t go well with this set. GMK 9009 R3, of course, keeps those timeless looks and adds some new features to it.
Updates
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9009 R3 adds some features previous rounds haven't had. Most notably, a R5 bottom row. This bottom row creates a nicer and more full sculpt which gives the pleasant vintage aesthetic 9009 is all about. We've also added a lot of compatibility and fixed some legends, all of which is described in detail below.
Kit design
Standard
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This kit supports all the most popular custom keyboard layouts from standard TKLs to 65%, WKL bottom rows, HHKBs and more.
Obscure
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The obscure kit adds support for a wide variety of 40% keyboards, including ortholinear ones. Included are the necessary modifiers, but also spacebars. This kit also includes a second b key for split keyboards.
Numbers
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The number kits adds support for boards including a numpad, like a full-size 104 or 1800.
Addition
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The addition kit adds keys for an OSX focussed bottom row, 60%s with arrows through the 2u shift, 660 layouts with the extra 2.25u shift, full ISO UK support and some options for different legends in the 65% and caps lock area.
Modern
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Want to add a modern look to your set? Or maybe you’re just a fan of the uniform look having only icons on the modifiers gives you? Then this kit is for you! It features icon modifiers for all of the bottom row, escape and 1.75 control while also adding a more modern interpretation of the tab key and caps lock. This kit features a more modern R4 bottom row.
Aesthetic
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This kit is made for those of you who want to add a splash of colour to your boards, whether that is with coloured spacebars or with an indicator LED under your lock keys.
Norde
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This kit adds compatibility for ISO NO, SE, FL, DK, DE layouts.
Addons
Deskmats
We're offering 2 beautiful deskmats designs by Dixiemech, inspired by GMK 9009. There is a more classic and subdued version and a more modern and colourful one. Both will be available through all proxies.
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RAMA caps
In collaboration with RAMA and Dixiemech, we're proud to bring you these exclusive swirl keycaps. They're made out of silicone and feature a swirl pattern with 9009 colours which will be unique to every cap.
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Reworked legends
Modifiers
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Dixie and I have been working on cleaning up the mod legends for GMK for a long time now. Cherry legends have some weird inconsistent alignments, if you use icon mods with bottom row text mods like R2 9009 you will notice that the Tab, Enter, Backspace and bottom row legends are left-centred aligned. However, the Shift and Caps Lock legends are top-left aligned. Same outcome if you use all icon mods, like in GMK Modern Dolch. This is especially annoying when you use a 1.75u shift with an fn key next to it since one legend will be top-aligned and the other centred.
Because of this, we have decided to make new legends to create a more uniform look among the modifier keys. We also have taken the above changes and applied them to the arrows, to continue to make everything as consistent as possible across your keyboard.
40’s / Ortho Enter Awkward Arrows
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If you compare the Enter arrow on a full-sized enter and the smaller sized Enters, you will notice the smaller keys are a little awkward. The vertical line on the enter icon, goes almost all the way to the top edge of the surface of the cap, unlike its full-sized counterpart. We are going to fix these legends to be more proportional when sized down compared to the full-sized.
Render gallery
Bauer by Dixiemech
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910 RE by TGR
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Dharma by me and Ye_Cole (soon™)
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No2 Rev 1 by Keycult
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Kotai by /u/stewiedk97
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M60-A by RAMA
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U80 by RAMA
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Xeno by IonKB
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J-01 by Jae
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Jane V2 by TGR
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Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 04:07:24
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 01 September 2019, 12:09:06
Voyage with numpad for 124 €
Good luck with GB :thumb: , still a month for me to think if its still worth it - as I really like the colorway - but with cheap from day 1, maybe I expected too much
Post by: phinix on Sun, 01 September 2019, 12:58:42
pricing at mykeyboard again shows my why i don‘t like splitting of numpad and iso enter support - rocket sells for 135€ with most probably much less selling kits.
Voyage with numpad for 124 €
Good luck with GB :thumb: , still a month for me to think if its still worth it - as I really like the colorway - but with cheap from day 1, maybe I expected too much
I bought base kit and additional, as I need full UK ISO.
It is very cheap for base kit, additionals not so much, but if you need to have them, you need to buy it:)
If you are just after ISO enter, then I could sell you one form the banch.
Post by: Benitone on Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:03:59
For a full ISO set I have to pay about 200 EUR, when WOB on massdrop cost 99 USD just a couple of months ago?
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:04:05
Post by: Seoulcialite on Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:47:09
Post by: cekagekh on Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:49:58
Post by: dumhevae on Sun, 01 September 2019, 13:57:53
Post by: equalunique on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:11:37
Tbh, I was hoping ortho users would have given enough feedback during the IC stage so that the Obscure Kit would have gone more in the direction the flexibility provided by the previous 9009 R2 Ortho Kit: https://i.imgur.com/2t2XSRQ.jpg
Personally, I would have been fine with just 2x2u space keys, since even though it's not the default Planck layout, it is the Planck layout that I prefer. But that's not part of this Obscure kit either. If minimal level of compatibility is the goal here, then fine, I can understand leaving a 2nd 2u R4C key out.
As it is, the Obscure Kit is kind of incomplete without that R5 Fn key.
Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 using Tapatalk
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:21:55
GMK again?? worst profile ever.
this is worse than most of my posts
glwgb, hope it makes moq
Post by: Vyndem on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:34:50
Question: Would these fit on the stock Ducky One 2 Mini?
Post by: appaboy on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:36:19
GMK again?? worst profile ever.
how will gmk ever recover from this blow
Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:47:45
Already ordered Standard + Aesthetic! Can't wait :D
Question: Would these fit on the stock Ducky One 2 Mini?
I don't have any personal experience with the board but it looks like it has a standard 6.25u bottom row, so yes it'll work!
Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:49:02
The 9009 R2 Ortho Kit had the bottom-left Fn key that's missing from the 9009 R3 Obscure Kit. This pic is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/olkb/comments/74j5yw/gmk_9009_planck/
Tbh, I was hoping ortho users would have given enough feedback during the IC stage so that the Obscure Kit would have gone more in the direction the flexibility provided by the previous 9009 R2 Ortho Kit: https://i.imgur.com/2t2XSRQ.jpg
Personally, I would have been fine with just 2x2u space keys, since even though it's not the default Planck layout, it is the Planck layout that I prefer. But that's not part of this Obscure kit either. If minimal level of compatibility is the goal here, then fine, I can understand leaving a 2nd 2u R4C key out.
As it is, the Obscure Kit is kind of incomplete without that R5 Fn key.
Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 using Tapatalk
Please see my reply to your post in the IC thread about the Fn key. The 2x2u is indeed not a supported Planck layout, so it's a small niche of a small niche.
Post by: PotatoTM on Sun, 01 September 2019, 15:24:14
Post by: futurecrime on Sun, 01 September 2019, 15:57:00
Post by: ideus on Sun, 01 September 2019, 16:35:33
Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 16:51:22
No vendor shows the Norde kit. Is that just a glitch?
As said in the post :)
Quote
Note that this kit was added last minute, and a quote is still on the way. It might not be listed on the vendor's page yet, but will be added soon!
Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 16:51:39
Nice revisions guys. I hope you sell 9009 kits. GLWGB.
Hehe thanks man! :)
Post by: rockydbull on Sun, 01 September 2019, 17:09:20
Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 September 2019, 17:13:38
Have any other groupbuys with the Rama silicone keycaps shipped? I am curious how they feel/quality review.
8008 is the only other set that offers them and that hasn't shipped yet. However Dixiemech does have prototypes already!
Post by: bball2 on Sun, 01 September 2019, 18:46:37
Post by: ideus on Sun, 01 September 2019, 18:49:48
My bad. Have not read your note yet. :-[No vendor shows the Norde kit. Is that just a glitch?
As said in the post :)QuoteNote that this kit was added last minute, and a quote is still on the way. It might not be listed on the vendor's page yet, but will be added soon!
Post by: vv-w on Mon, 02 September 2019, 00:59:29
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 02 September 2019, 01:41:48
Price break at 9009 units to @90.09 :))
Post by: supernova on Mon, 02 September 2019, 03:36:22
Post by: bnhw on Mon, 02 September 2019, 12:17:44
Post by: Vyndem on Mon, 02 September 2019, 12:43:09
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 02 September 2019, 12:49:04
Will these work with the Anne Pro 2 Keyboard (Kailh Box switches)? I assume so, but I'm rather new to this :)
Yup!
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 02 September 2019, 14:19:22
(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 02 September 2019, 14:28:28
Post by: Gurkensaft on Tue, 03 September 2019, 01:57:23
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
Where can I see the amount of orders placed?
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 03 September 2019, 07:07:20
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
Where can I see the amount of orders placed?
I will post updates periodically.
Post by: Gurkensaft on Tue, 03 September 2019, 07:40:42
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
Where can I see the amount of orders placed?
I will post updates periodically.
Okay, thanks.
Do you know anything about the NorDe Kit? It's still not available at vendors. I'm worried it's not gonna make MOQ, if it's too late in the game. Thanks!
Post by: bnhw on Tue, 03 September 2019, 09:03:41
Post by: janglad on Tue, 03 September 2019, 13:19:13
Prices look great! Did a 1.25u shift get added to the Obscure kit in the end? I can't see it the layout renders.
You're right, we wanted to add this back when it was suggested but vendors ended up with kit design renders missing that key. I've updated it and notified them of the mistake. All people who ordered the kit before this will obviously also get the 1.25u shift. Sorry about this, shouldn't have happened. And thanks for pointing it out!
Post by: janglad on Tue, 03 September 2019, 13:19:47
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
Where can I see the amount of orders placed?
I will post updates periodically.
Okay, thanks.
Do you know anything about the NorDe Kit? It's still not available at vendors. I'm worried it's not gonna make MOQ, if it's too late in the game. Thanks!
We're hoping to get a quote in in the next few days...
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 03 September 2019, 15:37:09
Post by: janglad on Tue, 03 September 2019, 17:33:11
Are all the blank white keycaps in the Obscure kit convex?
They are all convex except for the 175u keys
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/56df43c437013b7f38833624/1567535541771-S1OKJ5LLVROR9HJEPWY8/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0p52bY8kZn6Mpkp9xtPUVLhvLurswpbKwwoDWqBh58NLxQZMhB36LmtxTXHHtLwR3w/Kit_Obscure.png?format=2500w)
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 03 September 2019, 18:10:54
This is the first set were I'm actually buying two sets because I'm sure I'll get use out of both.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 03 September 2019, 18:18:07
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
moq is 500?
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 03 September 2019, 18:37:49
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
moq is 500?
MOQs:
Standard = 500
Numbers = 250
Addition = 250
Aesthetic = 250
Modern = 150
Obscure = 150
(Norde is being quoted at 100)
Post by: kakiharaOne on Tue, 03 September 2019, 20:18:32
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
moq is 500?
MOQs:
Standard = 500
Numbers = 250
Addition = 250
Aesthetic = 250
Modern = 150
Obscure = 150
(Norde is being quoted at 100)
They posted on IG that standard kit hit MOQ on the first day. The little tracking slider says 150 on their site. 150 does seem low for base.
Post by: OtherAndrew on Tue, 03 September 2019, 20:46:20
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
moq is 500?
MOQs:
Standard = 500
Numbers = 250
Addition = 250
Aesthetic = 250
Modern = 150
Obscure = 150
(Norde is being quoted at 100)
They posted on IG that standard kit hit MOQ on the first day. The little tracking slider says 150 on their site. 150 does seem low for base.
9009 is all stock colors
Post by: skmn on Wed, 04 September 2019, 00:11:57
Post by: janglad on Wed, 04 September 2019, 12:30:39
Off to a great start!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YHButSZ.png)
moq is 500?
MOQs:
Standard = 500
Numbers = 250
Addition = 250
Aesthetic = 250
Modern = 150
Obscure = 150
(Norde is being quoted at 100)
They posted on IG that standard kit hit MOQ on the first day. The little tracking slider says 150 on their site. 150 does seem low for base.
9009 is all stock colors
150 is the "production MOQ" from GMK, however the Standard kit is priced at 500 MOQ so that's the "vendor MOQ"
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 04 September 2019, 12:45:03
Are all the blank white keycaps in the Obscure kit convex?
They are all convex except for the 175u keysShow Image(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/56df43c437013b7f38833624/1567535541771-S1OKJ5LLVROR9HJEPWY8/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0p52bY8kZn6Mpkp9xtPUVLhvLurswpbKwwoDWqBh58NLxQZMhB36LmtxTXHHtLwR3w/Kit_Obscure.png?format=2500w)
GMK now has tooling for convex 1.75u and 1.25u R4. But that might not matter for this kit.
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 05 September 2019, 08:48:09
More
(https://i.imgur.com/w7lts7l.png)
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Post by: Gurkensaft on Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:01:23
I'm in, as soon as Norde kit is available on mykeyboard :cool:
Yes, same here. I really hope they make it in time.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 05 September 2019, 21:33:00
One more waiting for the Norde.I'm in, as soon as Norde kit is available on mykeyboard 8)
Yes, same here. I really hope the make it in time.
Post by: janglad on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:07:42
I'm in, as soon as Norde kit is available on mykeyboard :cool:
Yes, same here. I really hope they make it in time.
One more waiting for the Norde.I'm in, as soon as Norde kit is available on mykeyboard 8)
Yes, same here. I really hope the make it in time.
It just went live :) https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-9009-round-3-norde-kit_1228/
Post by: janglad on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:08:01
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-9009-round-3-norde-kit_1228/
Post by: dumhevae on Fri, 06 September 2019, 16:55:19
Norde kit now live
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-9009-round-3-norde-kit_1228/
Nice one! I'm in for one base and one norde after the 25th :D
Post by: Benitone on Fri, 06 September 2019, 17:05:12
Post by: ideus on Fri, 06 September 2019, 17:23:51
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 06 September 2019, 21:24:15
Pass. New positioning of legends is incompatibile with all existing keys. It can't complement or extend any existing sets.
Gotta start somewhere
Post by: appaboy on Fri, 06 September 2019, 21:36:09
Pass. New positioning of legends is incompatibile with all existing keys. It can't complement or extend any existing sets.
Yeah this is exactly why i havent put in an order yet, 100 dollar base kit is nice but i do find this problematic
Post by: ideus on Fri, 06 September 2019, 22:29:57
Shift keys go in pairs, arrows are full sets. There is no reason to mix and match them, if you will have a full set anyway. Nonsense argument. Your money your call, but your argument is totally flaw.Pass. New positioning of legends is incompatibile with all existing keys. It can't complement or extend any existing sets.
Yeah this is exactly why i havent put in an order yet, 100 dollar base kit is nice but i do find this problematic
Post by: soupymeatballs on Sat, 07 September 2019, 22:26:53
Post by: yaya on Sat, 07 September 2019, 23:03:19
Is 9009 RAL color matched? Just curious to know how the rounds are going to match up. I have a VIM kit from after R2 but not sure how good GMK's matching is.
9009 is stock GMK colors, even the accents (3B/3C). So, I'd say pretty darn good.
Post by: JackieX on Sun, 08 September 2019, 11:50:51
Excuse me. I dont see the R5 caps on Modern kits on Dixie mech website. It is correct or not?Norde kit now live
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-9009-round-3-norde-kit_1228/
Nice one! I'm in for one base and one norde after the 25th :D
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 08 September 2019, 12:15:45
Excuse me. I dont see the R5 caps on Modern kits on Dixie mech website. It is correct or not?The Modern kit doesn't use R5, as stated in OP:
Modern
Want to add a modern look to your set? Or maybe you’re just a fan of the uniform look having only icons on the modifiers gives you? Then this kit is for you! It features icon modifiers for all of the bottom row, escape and 1.75 control while also adding a more modern interpretation of the tab key and caps lock. This kit features a more modern R4 bottom row.
Post by: janglad on Mon, 09 September 2019, 05:04:43
Is 9009 RAL color matched? Just curious to know how the rounds are going to match up. I have a VIM kit from after R2 but not sure how good GMK's matching is.
9009 is stock GMK colors, even the accents (3B/3C). So, I'd say pretty darn good.
Excuse me. I dont see the R5 caps on Modern kits on Dixie mech website. It is correct or not?The Modern kit doesn't use R5, as stated in OP:Modern
Want to add a modern look to your set? Or maybe you’re just a fan of the uniform look having only icons on the modifiers gives you? Then this kit is for you! It features icon modifiers for all of the bottom row, escape and 1.75 control while also adding a more modern interpretation of the tab key and caps lock. This kit features a more modern R4 bottom row.
Can confirm both :)
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 09 September 2019, 11:11:28
Nevermind, I'm blind.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 September 2019, 11:20:53
Would it be possible to get a render of the modern kit on a tkl (or anything with an arrow cluster)? I'd like to see how the sp style arrows will look on a board.You should check the OP one more time. It shows at least three images where the arrows are included.
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 09 September 2019, 11:54:00
More
(https://i.imgur.com/XPgxOq5.png)
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Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 September 2019, 12:30:46
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 09 September 2019, 13:27:36
Would it be possible to get a render of the modern kit on a tkl (or anything with an arrow cluster)? I'd like to see how the sp style arrows will look on a board.You should check the OP one more time. It shows at least three images where the arrows are included.
Wow, how tf did I miss those? I literally looked through the op before commenting. Oh well, my bad.
Post by: Gurkensaft on Mon, 09 September 2019, 14:15:21
Norde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?
Post by: janglad on Mon, 09 September 2019, 14:50:14
Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?
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Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 September 2019, 15:28:37
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
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Post by: derPuntigamer on Mon, 09 September 2019, 15:58:05
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
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I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 September 2019, 16:14:52
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
If 9009's Norde set would not reach MoQ is very unlikely that any other set's Norde would. Beige is pretty common, thus, if any Norde may reach MoQ is this one.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 10 September 2019, 05:42:17
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
Quickly trying to remember what I've learnt in secondary school German language lessons - Milchmädchenrechnung - milch is milk, Madchen is girl, right? Rechnung is counting or calculation.
So Milchmädchenrechnung is calculation of milk girl? Milky girl?! Milky milky!! :)
Post by: derPuntigamer on Tue, 10 September 2019, 06:53:22
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
Quickly trying to remember what I've learnt in secondary school German language lessons - Milchmädchenrechnung - milch is milk, Madchen is girl, right? Rechnung is counting or calculation.
So Milchmädchenrechnung is calculation of milk girl? Milky girl?! Milky milky!! :)
Indeed, this literally translates to something as "milk maid calculation", it is based on an old tale about a milk transporting girl who already thinks about what she could by from the price of the milk before she sells it, eventually spilling it on the way to the market. It translates to "calculation based on naive assumptions", such as in my case: if GMK would lower NorDe kit MOQ, more people would buy other kits (would they?), what would compensate for the lower MOQ (would it compensate the effort?).
Post by: phinix on Tue, 10 September 2019, 07:15:37
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
Quickly trying to remember what I've learnt in secondary school German language lessons - Milchmädchenrechnung - milch is milk, Madchen is girl, right? Rechnung is counting or calculation.
So Milchmädchenrechnung is calculation of milk girl? Milky girl?! Milky milky!! :)
Indeed, this literally translates to something as "milk maid calculation", it is based on an old tale about a milk transporting girl who already thinks about what she could by from the price of the milk before she sells it, eventually spilling it on the way to the market. It translates to "calculation based on naive assumptions", such as in my case: if GMK would lower NorDe kit MOQ, more people would buy other kits (would they?), what would compensate for the lower MOQ (would it compensate the effort?).
Cool, thanks for explaining it:)
I like these kind of stories of different cultures:)
Yeah, same for Additional kit - 150 is pretty a lot, I hope it will get more attention in next few weeks.
This is an eternal problem of NorDeUK kits...
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 September 2019, 07:36:43
Post by: Gurkensaft on Tue, 10 September 2019, 14:03:33
Interesting capsule on German culture. Back to the subject matter Norde needs more support guys.
I've just made a post refering to this GB on the forums of ComputerBase, a german tech site. They have done GMK Group Buys with ISO-DE layouts before, so there might be some people interested in this...
Post by: janglad on Tue, 10 September 2019, 14:05:59
That’s awesome, thank you!Interesting capsule on German culture. Back to the subject matter Norde needs more support guys.
I've just made a post refering to this GB on the forums of ComputerBase, a german tech site. They have done GMK Group Buys with ISO-DE layouts before, so there might be some people interested in this...
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Post by: hansichen on Tue, 10 September 2019, 14:51:38
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
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I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
If 9009's Norde set would not reach MoQ is very unlikely that any other set's Norde would. Beige is pretty common, thus, if any Norde may reach MoQ is this one.
Strong disagree. People can just buy German OG doubleshots and get the same for way less than half the price. Beige Norde sets are kinda cutting off 50% of the buyers. And at 188€ before shipping and without numpad this isn't the most appealing set in regard of pricing either. Also quite a few people who spend money onto these sets already have one from the last round.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 September 2019, 16:08:16
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
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I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
If 9009's Norde set would not reach MoQ is very unlikely that any other set's Norde would. Beige is pretty common, thus, if any Norde may reach MoQ is this one.
Strong disagree. People can just buy German OG doubleshots and get the same for way less than half the price. Beige Norde sets are kinda cutting off 50% of the buyers. And at 188€ before shipping and without numpad this isn't the most appealing set in regard of pricing either. Also quite a few people who spend money onto these sets already have one from the last round.
I can see you point. But DE does not cover all Norde layouts. I have one DE set, that I bought for few bucks, but it misses 5 or 6 keys for SW. It is not a bad compromise though, but it is not the same as having the correct legends in new caps. But at the end you may be right for many users that only needs DE, but for the rest of us that need other Norde legends, this international kits are the only true real options.
Post by: hansichen on Wed, 11 September 2019, 07:07:07
That is correct.Convince your Norde using friends to buy itNorde looks bad.
Ouch. I‘m pretty new to this... what can we do?Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1.png)
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I have GMK Nord and Phosphorus as fallback for NorDe, but if this set does not make MOQ, I am not sure if it is possible at all... GMK should lower the MOQ to 50 at least, they could sell 50+ base and addition kits (my humble Milchmädchenrechnung), so at the and of the day they have their profit and we would have our NorDe kits.
If 9009's Norde set would not reach MoQ is very unlikely that any other set's Norde would. Beige is pretty common, thus, if any Norde may reach MoQ is this one.
Strong disagree. People can just buy German OG doubleshots and get the same for way less than half the price. Beige Norde sets are kinda cutting off 50% of the buyers. And at 188€ before shipping and without numpad this isn't the most appealing set in regard of pricing either. Also quite a few people who spend money onto these sets already have one from the last round.
I can see you point. But DE does not cover all Norde layouts. I have one DE set, that I bought for few bucks, but it misses 5 or 6 keys for SW. It is not a bad compromise though, but it is not the same as having the correct legends in new caps. But at the end you may be right for many users that only needs DE, but for the rest of us that need other Norde legends, this international kits are the only true real options.
That's obviously true. It's pretty much the only option for Nordic people cause OG sets are rare. The population of these countries is probably less than half of what the German-speaking population is so these kits will always have a smaller group of interested people which makes it quite a bit harder to reach moq than for other popular colourways.
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 12 September 2019, 13:06:10
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Post by: Gurkensaft on Thu, 12 September 2019, 13:51:33
Now showing pMOQ (production is certain) and iMOQ (ideal).Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617828813476331520/621767359316885544/GMK9009status190912.PNG)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617828813476331520/621756073472425985/GMK9009history190912.PNG)
Damn... I guess I‘ll have to buy the remaining Norde kits myself...
Post by: ZyBeR on Thu, 12 September 2019, 15:06:29
I'll join soon :)Now showing pMOQ (production is certain) and iMOQ (ideal).Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617828813476331520/621767359316885544/GMK9009status190912.PNG)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617828813476331520/621756073472425985/GMK9009history190912.PNG)
Damn... I guess I‘ll have to buy the remaining Norde kits myself...
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 12 September 2019, 15:41:28
I'll join soon :)Now showing pMOQ (production is certain) and iMOQ (ideal).Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617828813476331520/621767359316885544/GMK9009status190912.PNG)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617828813476331520/621756073472425985/GMK9009history190912.PNG)
Damn... I guess I‘ll have to buy the remaining Norde kits myself...
tfw ortho is doing better
Post by: saesh on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:08:35
Post by: xondat on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:57:10
Regarding the Addition kit, isn't the 2u Shift key already in the base kit?
1.75u in the base.
Addition has 2u, 2.25u.
Post by: saesh on Tue, 17 September 2019, 01:04:18
Regarding the Addition kit, isn't the 2u Shift key already in the base kit?
1.75u in the base.
Addition has 2u, 2.25u.
Thanks! Glad I asked, another kit to get.
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 17 September 2019, 12:52:52
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Post by: dom on Tue, 17 September 2019, 14:39:14
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Post by: pitfermi on Thu, 19 September 2019, 08:33:28
Post by: ideus on Thu, 19 September 2019, 11:27:44
Post by: pitfermi on Thu, 19 September 2019, 16:02:51
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 19 September 2019, 16:15:30
does anyone know where the name 9009 comes from?It comes from the model name of the keyboard this is inspired by, the Cherry G80-9009 (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-9009).
Post by: vegs on Fri, 20 September 2019, 02:49:29
For the ISO enter alone I have to add a €32 kit for standard ISO support :'(
Post by: phinix on Fri, 20 September 2019, 02:59:02
Not having ISO enter in either base or Norde seems like an oversight to me.
For the ISO enter alone I have to add a €32 kit for standard ISO support :'(
I ordered Additional kit but won't be using all caps - if you want ISO enter, green one, I will be selling it once I get all in.
I'm sure other people who orders it won't be keeping all the caps too.
You may be able to find caps you miss.
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 22 September 2019, 12:17:42
Post by: fleeceman on Sun, 22 September 2019, 18:47:18
Wait so does this mean the additions kit has already hit pMOQ??Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APvNGjF.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v3eBzGh.png)
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Post by: janglad on Sun, 22 September 2019, 18:49:07
Wait so does this mean the additions kit has already hit pMOQ??Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APvNGjF.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v3eBzGh.png)
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Yes, although for those worried all kits will have met that after extras. (With Norde being the only exception, however with the amount of other kits sold I’m sure we can work something out).
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Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 September 2019, 21:00:36
In case you have no use for the stepped control, here I am.Not having ISO enter in either base or Norde seems like an oversight to me.
For the ISO enter alone I have to add a €32 kit for standard ISO support :'(
I ordered Additional kit but won't be using all caps - if you want ISO enter, green one, I will be selling it once I get all in.
I'm sure other people who orders it won't be keeping all the caps too.
You may be able to find caps you miss.
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 23 September 2019, 03:01:07
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Post by: phinix on Mon, 23 September 2019, 03:43:57
In case you have no use for the stepped control, here I am.Not having ISO enter in either base or Norde seems like an oversight to me.
For the ISO enter alone I have to add a €32 kit for standard ISO support :'(
I ordered Additional kit but won't be using all caps - if you want ISO enter, green one, I will be selling it once I get all in.
I'm sure other people who orders it won't be keeping all the caps too.
You may be able to find caps you miss.
Yep, cool. Lets just remember who needs what and once we get our sets, then we can start exchange/sale:)
I will definitely all out here, so we keep any eye on this thread.
Post by: fleeceman on Mon, 23 September 2019, 06:14:06
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Hey, would you look at that! 148 ISO users.
So there are more than the 3 ISO users who purchased GMK Jamon after all. Maybe data from 1 set ran on Drop isn't that valuable when it comes to evaluating demand for ISO.
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 23 September 2019, 06:21:01
Umm not to sound rude or anything but the addition kit has more than just support for UK ISO. People could be getting this kit in anticipation of boards that use a top right blocker, of which there are quite a few.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1VEYqI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7FiSuTe.png)
Hey, would you look at that! 148 ISO users.
So there are more than the 3 ISO users who purchased GMK Jamon after all. Maybe data from 1 set ran on Drop isn't that valuable when it comes to evaluating demand for ISO.
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Post by: fleeceman on Mon, 23 September 2019, 06:26:54
Umm not to sound rude or anything but the addition kit has more than just support for UK ISO. People could be getting this kit in anticipation of boards that use a top right blocker, of which there are quite a few.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1VEYqI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7FiSuTe.png)
Hey, would you look at that! 148 ISO users.
So there are more than the 3 ISO users who purchased GMK Jamon after all. Maybe data from 1 set ran on Drop isn't that valuable when it comes to evaluating demand for ISO.
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You are not wrong, although the base kit still supports those boards with a PgUp, PgDn, Fn config. I am fairly confident the vast majority of the Addition kit buyers are ISO users.
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 23 September 2019, 06:30:36
While that may be true, I could also see many getting the addition kit for Del, PgUp and PgDn with Fn being assigned to the key left of the arrow cluster. I guess what I'm trying to say is trying draw a definitive conclusion based on how this set or Jamon does in isolation is pointless.Umm not to sound rude or anything but the addition kit has more than just support for UK ISO. People could be getting this kit in anticipation of boards that use a top right blocker, of which there are quite a few.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1VEYqI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7FiSuTe.png)
Hey, would you look at that! 148 ISO users.
So there are more than the 3 ISO users who purchased GMK Jamon after all. Maybe data from 1 set ran on Drop isn't that valuable when it comes to evaluating demand for ISO.
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You are not wrong, although the base kit still supports those boards with a PgUp, PgDn, Fn config. I am fairly confident the vast majority of the Addition kit buyers are ISO users.
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Post by: janglad on Mon, 23 September 2019, 06:41:22
Umm not to sound rude or anything but the addition kit has more than just support for UK ISO. People could be getting this kit in anticipation of boards that use a top right blocker, of which there are quite a few.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1VEYqI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7FiSuTe.png)
Hey, would you look at that! 148 ISO users.
So there are more than the 3 ISO users who purchased GMK Jamon after all. Maybe data from 1 set ran on Drop isn't that valuable when it comes to evaluating demand for ISO.
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You are not wrong, although the base kit still supports those boards with a PgUp, PgDn, Fn config. I am fairly confident the vast majority of the Addition kit buyers are ISO users.
FYI less than 1/5 of those addition sales come out of the EU, so yeah pretty safe to say most people bought it for added compat not ISO.
Post by: fleeceman on Mon, 23 September 2019, 06:57:01
Umm not to sound rude or anything but the addition kit has more than just support for UK ISO. People could be getting this kit in anticipation of boards that use a top right blocker, of which there are quite a few.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1VEYqI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7FiSuTe.png)
Hey, would you look at that! 148 ISO users.
So there are more than the 3 ISO users who purchased GMK Jamon after all. Maybe data from 1 set ran on Drop isn't that valuable when it comes to evaluating demand for ISO.
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You are not wrong, although the base kit still supports those boards with a PgUp, PgDn, Fn config. I am fairly confident the vast majority of the Addition kit buyers are ISO users.
FYI less than 1/5 of those addition sales come out of the EU, so yeah pretty safe to say most people bought it for added compat not ISO.
Wow I stand corrected.
Post by: spctr13 on Mon, 23 September 2019, 09:03:12
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Post by: janglad on Mon, 23 September 2019, 10:06:08
I bought addition kit to be able to get more options for 65%. I know there were a few others in the IC asking for 1 or 2 keys to be moved to the base so they wouldn't have to get the addition.
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I bought Addition because of the macOS-specific keycaps. Not an ISO user.
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Yeah I mean from my rough calculations with both current 9009 numbers and Minimal sales numbers I'd guess the % of ISO users joining GBs is anywhere between 1-3% if you assume almost nobody outside of the EU uses ISO. Obviously you can say that because ISO is not in base it makes the % drop since it makes some people not want to join but stil. The small 40s kit for Minimal was bought by about 25% of people and Obscure is at ~14% right now. (Obviously very small data set and just an estimate)
Post by: fleeceman on Mon, 23 September 2019, 10:54:05
I bought addition kit to be able to get more options for 65%. I know there were a few others in the IC asking for 1 or 2 keys to be moved to the base so they wouldn't have to get the addition.
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Yeah I mean from my rough calculations with both current 9009 numbers and Minimal sales numbers I'd guess the % of ISO users joining GBs is anywhere between 1-3% if you assume almost nobody outside of the EU uses ISO. Obviously you can say that because ISO is not in base it makes the % drop since it makes some people not want to join but stil. The small 40s kit for Minimal was bought by about 25% of people and Obscure is at ~14% right now. (Obviously very small data set and just an estimate)
Yeah having to buy a whole separate kit for a few keys you need for your layout is a major turn off for most people, and is why I avoided picking up Minimal altogether. If I joined, I would have to get the Obscure kit and then join the NORDEUK BoW kit too, which means the set would be well over £200 which is just too much. If ISO was in base it would have been a 80% buy, if ISO UK in base then 100% buy.
In for 9009 however as I am curious about trying the R5 bottom row, and I have a nice 9009 keypora.
Post by: 1391401 on Mon, 23 September 2019, 11:26:26
[1] https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set
Post by: janglad on Mon, 23 September 2019, 13:45:48
FWIW the base set on the Drop WoB set [1] seems to cover a lot of things (not only was I able to make it work for a lot of different keyboards but it also includes ISO and a numberpad) all for 110 shipped to my door. Though I am not sure how many units Massdrop purchased to make it happen at this price.
[1] https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set
Combination of buying a looott of kits and having good deals with GMK I assume. Also no accent keys, no double tilde and pipe and such helps.
Post by: Gurkensaft on Mon, 23 September 2019, 15:01:46
Wait so does this mean the additions kit has already hit pMOQ??Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APvNGjF.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v3eBzGh.png)
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Yes, although for those worried all kits will have met that after extras. (With Norde being the only exception, however with the amount of other kits sold I’m sure we can work something out).
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So Norde will likely be made regardless of hitting MOQ? That would be fantastic, because 100 seems most unlikely to be reached right about now... :rolleyes:
Post by: slangeman on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:16:01
Post by: ideus on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:18:41
That, and the massive audience and sales Drop has. Comparing Drop with any other GB venue is just insane.FWIW the base set on the Drop WoB set [1] seems to cover a lot of things (not only was I able to make it work for a lot of different keyboards but it also includes ISO and a numberpad) all for 110 shipped to my door. Though I am not sure how many units Massdrop purchased to make it happen at this price.
[1] https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set (https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set)
Combination of buying a looott of kits and having good deals with GMK I assume. Also no accent keys, no double tilde and pipe and such helps.
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 27 September 2019, 16:26:45
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Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 29 September 2019, 12:49:11
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Post by: OkKarma on Tue, 01 October 2019, 17:14:00
Post by: janglad on Tue, 01 October 2019, 17:15:00
So will norde be made?Yes
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Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 01 October 2019, 17:17:37
So will norde be made?Yes
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nice, I made the right choice.
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 01 October 2019, 17:24:35
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Post by: nasp on Tue, 01 October 2019, 17:35:21
Is there still time to add a colevrak kit?
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No, but you should ask this in the 40s/Colevrak thread at the Interest Check part of Geekhack. 9009 uses stock GMK colors so it'd be doable as long as enough people have interest.
Post by: derPuntigamer on Wed, 02 October 2019, 05:18:44
So will norde be made?Yes
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Oh Happy Day!
Post by: phinix on Thu, 03 October 2019, 09:17:19
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Post by: ideus on Thu, 03 October 2019, 09:59:36
Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?They match well. GMK is known for a good quality control that includes the polymers mix.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 03 October 2019, 10:03:12
Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Post by: phinix on Fri, 04 October 2019, 02:52:28
Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?They match well. GMK is known for a good quality control that includes the polymers mix.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Awesome. Thanks guys :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Fri, 04 October 2019, 06:42:15
Just be aware that some OG Cherry sets might be already yellowed at some degree. If they are, they will be a different shade of Beige.Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?They match well. GMK is known for a good quality control that includes the polymers mix.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Awesome. Thanks guys :thumb:
Post by: phinix on Sat, 05 October 2019, 18:25:48
Just be aware that some OG Cherry sets might be already yellowed at some degree. If they are, they will be a different shade of Beige.Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?They match well. GMK is known for a good quality control that includes the polymers mix.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?Just a quick question - are the colors of GMK 9009 exactly same as OG Cherry caps?Should be pretty much nearly or completely identical.
I know GMK bought moulds from Cherry so thickness will be same, but what about color?
Awesome. Thanks guys :thumb:
Its fine. I wash my OGs in oxygen peroxide. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101253.msg2786753#msg2786753)
Post by: Randalljai on Mon, 07 October 2019, 12:20:27
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 22 October 2019, 12:37:07
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Whew, that peak in the last 2 days of the buy :eek:
Post by: janglad on Tue, 22 October 2019, 12:41:27
FYI those include extras. There definitely was a peak but it wasn’t THAT bigShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/6PMUqXK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vStcScs.png)
Whew, that peak in the last 2 days of the buy :eek:
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Post by: phinix on Tue, 24 December 2019, 19:24:23
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 24 December 2019, 19:40:00
Guys, is it possible to get an OG CHerry capslock, but non-stepped and with word-legend, not symbol?
GMK Classic Retro would be your best bet.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 24 December 2019, 20:01:48
Guys, is it possible to get an OG CHerry capslock, but non-stepped and with word-legend, not symbol?
GMK Classic Retro would be your best bet.
Aaaaah, yep, thank you, this is exactly what I would like to have.
Let's see who has one and willing to sell...
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 24 December 2019, 20:03:29
Originative Co should have them in stock right now.Guys, is it possible to get an OG CHerry capslock, but non-stepped and with word-legend, not symbol?
GMK Classic Retro would be your best bet.
Aaaaah, yep, thank you, this is exactly what I would like to have.
Let's see who has one and willing to sell...
Post by: phinix on Wed, 25 December 2019, 06:01:30
Originative Co should have them in stock right now.Guys, is it possible to get an OG CHerry capslock, but non-stepped and with word-legend, not symbol?
GMK Classic Retro would be your best bet.
Aaaaah, yep, thank you, this is exactly what I would like to have.
Let's see who has one and willing to sell...
Yep, you're right, they have it, but $155 is a bit too much just to catch one cap.
I'll see if anyone would have one on classified.
Post by: Stiggosaurus on Wed, 25 December 2019, 21:34:36
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Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 22 January 2020, 11:31:31
when are these expected to ship? Thanks!
Dixie has regular updates on his website for all GBs.
https://dixiemech.com/news/1-13-20
Post by: derPuntigamer on Wed, 22 January 2020, 12:00:26
when are these expected to ship? Thanks!
Dixie has regular updates on his website for all GBs.
https://dixiemech.com/news/1-13-20
for the record: "GMK informed us that this set is scheduled to ship from their warehouse at the end of March. Which means we will receive it a few weeks later and will try to have them shipped out by the end of April / Early May. It all depends how long they take to clear customs."
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 22 January 2020, 12:29:01
Man I really wish "No spoonfeeding" is an official rule here.when are these expected to ship? Thanks!
Dixie has regular updates on his website for all GBs.
https://dixiemech.com/news/1-13-20
for the record: "GMK informed us that this set is scheduled to ship from their warehouse at the end of March. Which means we will receive it a few weeks later and will try to have them shipped out by the end of April / Early May. It all depends how long they take to clear customs."
Post by: ideus on Wed, 22 January 2020, 13:28:04
when are these expected to ship? Thanks!
Dixie has regular updates on his website for all GBs.
https://dixiemech.com/news/1-13-20 (https://dixiemech.com/news/1-13-20)
for the record: "GMK informed us that this set is scheduled to ship from their warehouse at the end of March. Which means we will receive it a few weeks later and will try to have them shipped out by the end of April / Early May. It all depends how long they take to clear customs."
Thank you for the feedback.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 15 March 2020, 20:30:25
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 03 April 2020, 08:11:22
From DixieMech website:
> Obviously the previous update of “End of March” is here and we still don’t have a shipment notification from GMK. We will keep you updated as we get updates.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:38:39
GMK did post on Reddit about their new environmentally-friendly packaging recently, but that's all I've heard from them. Cherry corp also posted an April Fool's joke.
I'm glad Germany is taking serious measures to reduce the outbreak, and if that means delayed GMK sets, I'm fine with that. I just wish GMK was more communicative about what is going on. It concerns me that GMK is still accepting GBs as if they are going to run on schedule. The COVID-19 and subsequent economic crisis is going to affect both production and shipping for what is likely to be a long time.
Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 02:13:04
Why do we pay white tax, to GMK? To be ghosted. A simple message communicating a delay seems necessary, the radio silence just shows the level of professionalism. KAT Milkshake is also delayed, they released an updated timeline with deferred dates.
****ty of GMK to not communicate. I understand the delays, I do not understand the hesitance to communicate.
Post by: slxdegrees on Wed, 15 April 2020, 06:50:05
It's a shame that they can release a post about their new packaging, but not GB statuses.
Why do we pay white tax, to GMK? To be ghosted. A simple message communicating a delay seems necessary, the radio silence just shows the level of professionalism. KAT Milkshake is also delayed, they released an updated timeline with deferred dates.
****ty of GMK to not communicate. I understand the delays, I do not understand the hesitance to communicate.
There's been near radio-silence from GMK in the past few weeks, understandable given Germany's effort to contain the COVID-19 outbreak.
GMK did post on Reddit about their new environmentally-friendly packaging recently, but that's all I've heard from them. Cherry corp also posted an April Fool's joke.
I'm glad Germany is taking serious measures to reduce the outbreak, and if that means delayed GMK sets, I'm fine with that. I just wish GMK was more communicative about what is going on. It concerns me that GMK is still accepting GBs as if they are going to run on schedule. The COVID-19 and subsequent economic crisis is going to affect both production and shipping for what is likely to be a long time.
Oh, they did send an update to the vendors though.
(https://i.imgur.com/qUNfTyK.png])
Post by: placebo guy on Wed, 15 April 2020, 08:53:00
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:37:01
Post by: lockett on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:41:23
Post by: MadsMe on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:59:47
It's a shame that they can release a post about their new packaging, but not GB statuses.
Why do we pay white tax, to GMK? To be ghosted. A simple message communicating a delay seems necessary, the radio silence just shows the level of professionalism. KAT Milkshake is also delayed, they released an updated timeline with deferred dates.
****ty of GMK to not communicate. I understand the delays, I do not understand the hesitance to communicate.There's been near radio-silence from GMK in the past few weeks, understandable given Germany's effort to contain the COVID-19 outbreak.
GMK did post on Reddit about their new environmentally-friendly packaging recently, but that's all I've heard from them. Cherry corp also posted an April Fool's joke.
I'm glad Germany is taking serious measures to reduce the outbreak, and if that means delayed GMK sets, I'm fine with that. I just wish GMK was more communicative about what is going on. It concerns me that GMK is still accepting GBs as if they are going to run on schedule. The COVID-19 and subsequent economic crisis is going to affect both production and shipping for what is likely to be a long time.
Oh, they did send an update to the vendors though.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qUNfTyK.png])
What does that mean exactly?
Does it meant that it ships on that day. That they plan on finishing production that day? Perhaps something entirely different :blank:
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 19 April 2020, 04:36:00
It's a shame that they can release a post about their new packaging, but not GB statuses.
Why do we pay white tax, to GMK? To be ghosted. A simple message communicating a delay seems necessary, the radio silence just shows the level of professionalism. KAT Milkshake is also delayed, they released an updated timeline with deferred dates.
****ty of GMK to not communicate. I understand the delays, I do not understand the hesitance to communicate.There's been near radio-silence from GMK in the past few weeks, understandable given Germany's effort to contain the COVID-19 outbreak.
GMK did post on Reddit about their new environmentally-friendly packaging recently, but that's all I've heard from them. Cherry corp also posted an April Fool's joke.
I'm glad Germany is taking serious measures to reduce the outbreak, and if that means delayed GMK sets, I'm fine with that. I just wish GMK was more communicative about what is going on. It concerns me that GMK is still accepting GBs as if they are going to run on schedule. The COVID-19 and subsequent economic crisis is going to affect both production and shipping for what is likely to be a long time.
Oh, they did send an update to the vendors though.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qUNfTyK.png])
Oh I saw . https://dixiemech.com/news/4-17-20 . Dixie was yet to receive any update. Anyways any update is appreciated. We all knew gbs could run into issues, internal or external. Just glad to have an update!
Post by: Bencze on Tue, 19 May 2020, 18:32:31
Post by: aslanxdeft on Tue, 19 May 2020, 18:38:16
Does anyone know if mykeyboard was supposed to be a reputable company? Tried contacting them 3 times past months and no reply at all. Thinking whether I should make a police report or how do you deal when they take your money but don't respond at all to any inquiry...I would try their discord. They usually reply within a couple of hours
Post by: whitty on Wed, 20 May 2020, 12:56:05
Post by: Hell-es on Wed, 20 May 2020, 14:06:06
Post by: xondat on Wed, 20 May 2020, 14:37:31
Does anyone know if mykeyboard was supposed to be a reputable company? Tried contacting them 3 times past months and no reply at all. Thinking whether I should make a police report or how do you deal when they take your money but don't respond at all to any inquiry...
Message NecrowomanX#5668 on Discord, she handles inquiries.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 23 May 2020, 09:46:50
My friend got message from Mykeyboard that this has been shipped to him.
Post by: ilezia on Sat, 23 May 2020, 10:02:56
These are being shipped to us now.
My friend got message from Mykeyboard that this has been shipped to him.
I got an email with a copy of my (already paid) invoice. No tracking/shipping information or notification of such though.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 23 May 2020, 10:20:39
These are being shipped to us now.
My friend got message from Mykeyboard that this has been shipped to him.
I got an email with a copy of my (already paid) invoice. No tracking/shipping information or notification of such though.
They send invoice just before posting it, so you should get one soon.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 25 May 2020, 13:50:09
DixieMech
GMK 9009 Round 3 *
In Transit
9009 R3 has shipped from GMK and is on its way to us. We do not know the time it will take to clear customs.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 26 May 2020, 09:35:33
Post by: ilezia on Tue, 26 May 2020, 10:16:56
Post by: delrn on Tue, 26 May 2020, 13:12:26
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 30 May 2020, 20:05:56
There was an issue with the modifiers. You can see a photo of the kit here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gtmfd3/gmk_9009_fix_kit_came_in_today/
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 30 May 2020, 20:22:54
Apparently, GMK is sending fix kits to people who have already received their sets.
There was an issue with the modifiers. You can see a photo of the kit here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gtmfd3/gmk_9009_fix_kit_came_in_today/
What's the issue with the modifiers specifically?
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 30 May 2020, 21:40:36
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 30 May 2020, 21:48:32
Post by: dallman5 on Sat, 30 May 2020, 21:51:42
edit: sounds like a joke about the centered mods that fell flat
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 30 May 2020, 22:58:28
I guess we'll see honest impressions of the new centered mods come trickling in. Not sure how I feel about it.
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 30 May 2020, 23:00:15
I may be wrong but the kit on the right looks like GMK Missing Keys, not sure what official fix kit that poster is referring too?
edit: sounds like a joke about the centered mods that fell flat
Seems like it, went right over my head.
Post by: jani80k on Mon, 01 June 2020, 05:06:48
None of us hate or dislike Janglad or Dixie for making the modifiers, infact they look good. In our specific context it just looks weird to see those new modifiers with the OG colorway - that's all.
[attach=1]
Post by: ideus on Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:58:36
Yes, it was just a joke by someone from the german community. We have lots of OG keycap sets floating around with OG icon modifiers. To some of us it looks very unusual to see the OG colorway with the new "corrected" modifiers. So sometimes, we tend to make jokes about it.
None of us hate or dislike Janglad or Dixie for making the modifiers, infact they look good. In our specific context it just looks weird to see those new modifiers with the OG colorway - that's all.
(Attachment Link)
That's a nice collection Jani.
Post by: jani80k on Tue, 02 June 2020, 04:18:16
That's a nice collection Jani.
Thx, mate.
It helps me a lot, since there is every 10th GMK set only has an international kit and then I have to still like the colorway etc., this has become my most important source of keycaps.
I have boards with modern GMK sets as well... but relying on OG is a great help for ISO-DE users.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 06 June 2020, 18:47:21
Post by: Vyndem on Sat, 06 June 2020, 23:37:46
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 12 June 2020, 16:03:54
DixieMech
GMK 9009 Round 3 *
Arrived
9009 R3 has finally arrived from Germany and we will begin inventory on the shipment to ensure everything is here. We will begin the fulfillment next week.
Post by: Yeoh on Thu, 18 June 2020, 15:36:21
Has there been any word on how these legends came out?
Post by: chriszhu on Thu, 18 June 2020, 17:54:57
Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 19 June 2020, 16:04:33
Post by: pr0ximity on Fri, 19 June 2020, 18:51:46
So afraid icon mods will come like the GB for GMK WoB and BoW icon mods which turned out to be a disaster and Emir is still trying to find a resolution to all those defective keys.
These will be new molds, so the odds are good the quality will be fine I think. Also plenty of people have received these EU-side, and no complaints yet.
Should find out soon, received my tracking!
Post by: ttom on Fri, 19 June 2020, 19:17:38
So afraid icon mods will come like the GB for GMK WoB and BoW icon mods which turned out to be a disaster and Emir is still trying to find a resolution to all those defective keys.
GMK has made replacement keys for that set and been pretty transparent about it. You can send a message to the vendor you bought the set from regarding those.
Regardless, these are new moulds as pr0ximity said so shouldn't be any problems.
Post by: pr0ximity on Sat, 20 June 2020, 12:44:04
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 20 June 2020, 12:48:46
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 20 June 2020, 14:24:01
Set looks great! As expected, no legend issues with the new centered legends.
No issues with those but look at Print und Scroll. Yikes!
Post by: getlazy on Sat, 20 June 2020, 14:41:01
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 20 June 2020, 15:18:40
maybe Im crazy, but if you straighten the "end" key in the tray, the text might be crooked ?
Definitely possible. Print and Scroll are also completely crooked and this definitely affects multiple sets (everyone I talked to had the same issues with those keycaps). Great QC from GMK for 9009 R3.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 20 June 2020, 15:52:15
Post by: nmur on Sun, 21 June 2020, 03:11:48
[attachimg=1]
Post by: hkiri on Sun, 21 June 2020, 04:56:08
FWIW, mine appears to be okay
How's your "Print" and "Scroll" looking?
One mine they look like on the photo by pr0ximity. "P" and "r" of "Print" are noticeably lower than "int" and on "Scroll" it's tilted to the right with "ll" being the worst part.
Post by: nmur on Sun, 21 June 2020, 05:56:50
FWIW, mine appears to be okay
How's your "Print" and "Scroll" looking?
One mine they look like on the photo by pr0ximity. "P" and "r" of "Print" are noticeably lower than "int" and on "Scroll" it's tilted to the right with "ll" being the worst part.
yeah, now that you mention it, mine also have those exact defects. the "ll" in "Scroll" is pretty sloppy
Post by: Emir on Sun, 21 June 2020, 11:57:59
So afraid icon mods will come like the GB for GMK WoB and BoW icon mods which turned out to be a disaster and Emir is still trying to find a resolution to all those defective keys.
These will be new molds, so the odds are good the quality will be fine I think. Also plenty of people have received these EU-side, and no complaints yet.
Should find out soon, received my tracking!
Wut? They didn't center enter icons, they use the same molds as og icons (which isn't centered, but neither are their "new" centered icons so there's that :P )
As for WoB/BoW, replacements have arrived and look good. :)
Post by: pr0ximity on Sun, 21 June 2020, 15:58:50
So afraid icon mods will come like the GB for GMK WoB and BoW icon mods which turned out to be a disaster and Emir is still trying to find a resolution to all those defective keys.
These will be new molds, so the odds are good the quality will be fine I think. Also plenty of people have received these EU-side, and no complaints yet.
Should find out soon, received my tracking!
Wut? They didn't center enter icons, they use the same molds as og icons (which isn't centered, but neither are their "new" centered icons so there's that :P )
As for WoB/BoW, replacements have arrived and look good. :)
Oh yeah just double-checked, was for the smaller Enter icons. Nice.
Post by: Randalljai on Sun, 21 June 2020, 23:17:21
Set looks great! As expected, no legend issues with the new centered legends.
Oooo 9009 sticker?!
Post by: Extraxyz on Mon, 22 June 2020, 09:11:06
How do they manage to have three completely different results for the exact same sign? The Euro-sign on the 4 and E look nothing like the render at all.
Also the @ below the Q is tilted AF.. same on the 2/@ key.
(https://i.imgur.com/nRBxfyFl.jpg)
The P is rotated clockwise
(https://i.imgur.com/dhNdgEWl.jpg)
The dash is nowhere near straight
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 22 June 2020, 09:48:42
When you have to inspect it with a macro lens, I think we are within the margin of acceptability.
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 22 June 2020, 09:49:29
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UNMMcgtl.jpg)
How do they manage to have three completely different results for the exact same sign? The Euro-sign on the 4 and E look nothing like the render at all.
Also the @ below the Q is tilted AF.. same on the 2/@ key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nRBxfyFl.jpg)
The P is rotated clockwiseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/dhNdgEWl.jpg)
The dash is nowhere near straight
Damn
Post by: Extraxyz on Mon, 22 June 2020, 10:01:55
The Euro-sign is bizarre, but the other nits are fine in my opinion.
When you have to inspect it with a macro lens, I think we are within the margin of acceptability.
You can see it with the naked eye, that's just how my phone takes pictures. I didn't expect having to settle for "Eh.. close enough" on 200 USD worth of keycaps.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 22 June 2020, 10:08:43
The Euro-sign is bizarre, but the other nits are fine in my opinion.
When you have to inspect it with a macro lens, I think we are within the margin of acceptability.
You can see it with the naked eye, that's just how my phone takes pictures. I didn't expect having to settle for "Eh.. close enough" on 200 USD worth of keycaps.
Aren't there these types of issues with literally every single set?
Its still a mass-produced product at the end of the day. I don't see how you can expect absolute perfection when you're buying a mass produced product like this.
$200 is not a lot of money when we're talking about the level of perfection people are expecting.
If you want ABSOLUTE perfection, I'm sure you'd probably need to spend 3-4x that to make it worth a manufacture's time and effort to do it.
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 22 June 2020, 12:22:11
GMK should really get their **** together.
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 22 June 2020, 13:32:30
The Euro-sign is bizarre, but the other nits are fine in my opinion.
When you have to inspect it with a macro lens, I think we are within the margin of acceptability.
You can see it with the naked eye, that's just how my phone takes pictures. I didn't expect having to settle for "Eh.. close enough" on 200 USD worth of keycaps.
Aren't there these types of issues with literally every single set?
Its still a mass-produced product at the end of the day. I don't see how you can expect absolute perfection when you're buying a mass produced product like this.
$200 is not a lot of money when we're talking about the level of perfection people are expecting.
If you want ABSOLUTE perfection, I'm sure you'd probably need to spend 3-4x that to make it worth a manufacture's time and effort to do it.
No, but what we've seen in the past are high quality and tight QC on these keycaps which is what we've come to expect from GMK.
Lately it seems they've dropped the ball pretty bad. Just look at the GB for GMK WoB and BoW icon modifiers- nearly half the keys are bad with lines that are not straight, bent, or even thinning out.
I'm thinking their tooling is going bad?
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 22 June 2020, 16:00:10
The Euro-sign is bizarre, but the other nits are fine in my opinion.
When you have to inspect it with a macro lens, I think we are within the margin of acceptability.
You can see it with the naked eye, that's just how my phone takes pictures. I didn't expect having to settle for "Eh.. close enough" on 200 USD worth of keycaps.
Aren't there these types of issues with literally every single set?
Its still a mass-produced product at the end of the day. I don't see how you can expect absolute perfection when you're buying a mass produced product like this.
$200 is not a lot of money when we're talking about the level of perfection people are expecting.
If you want ABSOLUTE perfection, I'm sure you'd probably need to spend 3-4x that to make it worth a manufacture's time and effort to do it.
Even in a $20 Double Shot ABS set, this would have been a reject. Often it's not about the money, it's about how much the manufacturer cares. Throwing away a keycap in a set is far cheaper than losing customers trust.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZZomeWY.jpg) Source: DailyClack discord.
Should have been by any self-respecting manufacturer.
Post by: ivu on Mon, 22 June 2020, 16:04:56
The Euro-sign is bizarre, but the other nits are fine in my opinion.
When you have to inspect it with a macro lens, I think we are within the margin of acceptability.
You can see it with the naked eye, that's just how my phone takes pictures. I didn't expect having to settle for "Eh.. close enough" on 200 USD worth of keycaps.
Aren't there these types of issues with literally every single set?
Its still a mass-produced product at the end of the day. I don't see how you can expect absolute perfection when you're buying a mass produced product like this.
$200 is not a lot of money when we're talking about the level of perfection people are expecting.
If you want ABSOLUTE perfection, I'm sure you'd probably need to spend 3-4x that to make it worth a manufacture's time and effort to do it.
Sometimes i'm kinda surprised of the blind hardcore defending of such things...
If you think having a plastic keycap set (in the end of the day, that's what it is) for 200 USD and having such issues, which you most probably won't find even on some of the 30 usd random sets, is acceptable..that's sad and not good for the hobby.
When something is done right - give your "bravo", but when something is done like this with low QC, when talking GMK standards and pricing especially, then bring it up and make sure the producer knows it, so they can take measures. :thumb:
Post by: Mufasa on Mon, 22 June 2020, 23:30:09
Post by: nsyinc on Tue, 23 June 2020, 01:40:17
Aren't there these types of issues with literally every single set?
Its still a mass-produced product at the end of the day. I don't see how you can expect absolute perfection when you're buying a mass produced product like this.
$200 is not a lot of money when we're talking about the level of perfection people are expecting.
If you want ABSOLUTE perfection, I'm sure you'd probably need to spend 3-4x that to make it worth a manufacture's time and effort to do it.
mass-produced?? on avg a gmk set sells about ~1000 sets, 1500 sets. some are even lower. it's a niche hobby after all.
i don't know how this is different than getting a board with mis-matched top and bottom, ano issues, scratches and dents, etc. would you say that is acceptable since it's only $500/$600 and ppl should go do a commission to avoid those issues?
there's a level of quality to be expected. gmk is considered at the top of what they do, hence the premium. ppl expectations are obviously higher. i don't see anything wrong for those that joined the gb to expect the best from gmk.
so if you didn't join the gb, i suggest you should stay out of it. and your comments are frankly unnecessary. i didn't join so that's all from me.
Post by: mrkantz on Tue, 23 June 2020, 10:52:15
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 23 June 2020, 11:21:57
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UNMMcgtl.jpg)
How do they manage to have three completely different results for the exact same sign? The Euro-sign on the 4 and E look nothing like the render at all.
Also the @ below the Q is tilted AF.. same on the 2/@ key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nRBxfyFl.jpg)
The P is rotated clockwiseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/dhNdgEWl.jpg)
The dash is nowhere near straight
Just compared both caps to my R1 Honeywell set and both sets have the same issue on the -_ key, same with the P key, I think people are just now getting around to noticing these issues.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 23 June 2020, 12:09:19
Aren't there these types of issues with literally every single set?
Its still a mass-produced product at the end of the day. I don't see how you can expect absolute perfection when you're buying a mass produced product like this.
$200 is not a lot of money when we're talking about the level of perfection people are expecting.
If you want ABSOLUTE perfection, I'm sure you'd probably need to spend 3-4x that to make it worth a manufacture's time and effort to do it.
mass-produced?? on avg a gmk set sells about ~1000 sets, 1500 sets. some are even lower. it's a niche hobby after all.
i don't know how this is different than getting a board with mis-matched top and bottom, ano issues, scratches and dents, etc. would you say that is acceptable since it's only $500/$600 and ppl should go do a commission to avoid those issues?
there's a level of quality to be expected. gmk is considered at the top of what they do, hence the premium. ppl expectations are obviously higher. i don't see anything wrong for those that joined the gb to expect the best from gmk.
so if you didn't join the gb, i suggest you should stay out of it. and your comments are frankly unnecessary. i didn't join so that's all from me.
I'm part of the GB so, while I appreciate your suggestion that I stay out, I will ignore it.
My opinion on the matter is just as valid as yours.
Look, if there is a missing stem or something really crooked, no one is defending GMK here so let's get that one out of the way.
But when people are using macro lenses to look at fractional degrees and getting worked up...that's just not something I can relate to.
If it's something that bothers you, I'm not going to tell you that your opinion is wrong. I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter as well.
Post by: 3ambutter on Tue, 23 June 2020, 13:09:12
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UNMMcgtl.jpg)
How do they manage to have three completely different results for the exact same sign? The Euro-sign on the 4 and E look nothing like the render at all.
Also the @ below the Q is tilted AF.. same on the 2/@ key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nRBxfyFl.jpg)
The P is rotated clockwiseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/dhNdgEWl.jpg)
The dash is nowhere near straight****, I can confirm that my -_ key is also slanted on my GMK Night Runner Set. I never noticed it until further inspection after seeing this post... :pepehands: My P key might also be crooked but it's too hard to tell with it on the board, the -_ key stands out like a sore thumb.
Just compared both caps to my R1 Honeywell set and both sets have the same issue on the -_ key, same with the P key, I think people are just now getting around to noticing these issues.
Don't know how that's possible since Mizu looked perfectly fine(as somebody compared above). Is Dixie or Janglad going to address this issue like Emir did for wob/bow extension? Or are we going to accept lower quality from GMK going forward. If it's the latter lmk now so I can stop joining GMK gbs.
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 23 June 2020, 14:27:55
****, I can confirm that my -_ key is also slanted on my GMK Night Runner Set. I never noticed it until further inspection after seeing this post... :pepehands: My P key might also be crooked but it's too hard to tell with it on the board, the -_ key stands out like a sore thumb.
Just compared both caps to my R1 Honeywell set and both sets have the same issue on the -_ key, same with the P key, I think people are just now getting around to noticing these issues.
Don't know how that's possible since Mizu looked perfectly fine(as somebody compared above). Is Dixie or Janglad going to address this issue like Emir did for wob/bow extension? Or are we going to accept lower quality from GMK going forward. If it's the latter lmk now so I can stop joining GMK gbs.
Here's a pic, Night Runner Dash key right next to my R1 Honeywell Dash.
(https://i.imgur.com/aXofX9Y.jpg)
I feel like this really isn't one of the keys that should be an issue if this has been normal since R1 Honeywell ran.
Post by: spoopycheezy on Tue, 23 June 2020, 15:01:38
Post by: hkiri on Tue, 23 June 2020, 15:06:29
But when people are using macro lenses to look at fractional degrees and getting worked up...that's just not something I can relate to.
Don't make a fool of yourself. So far everything talked about or shown here were issues you can spot with your naked eye. In cases of "Print" and "Scroll" even from a normal distance (keyboard sitting in front of you on the table).
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:26:42
But when people are using macro lenses to look at fractional degrees and getting worked up...that's just not something I can relate to.
Don't make a fool of yourself. So far everything talked about or shown here were issues you can spot with your naked eye. In cases of "Print" and "Scroll" even from a normal distance (keyboard sitting in front of you on the table).
Is it within GMK's stated margin of error?
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:32:56
i havent inspected all the caps but the few i did had a lot of little mold burrs underneath the caps. looks like i need to go in and surgically cut them all off. oh how fun. otherwise color is excellent.
Out of curiosity which caps are you seeing burrs on the underside? Supposedly this is a known issue with GMK R5. Obviously things like this can happen with any of the profiles at any time, just wondering for the sake of wondering where you are seeing the issue.
Post by: spoopycheezy on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:46:48
Out of curiosity which caps are you seeing burrs on the underside? Supposedly this is a known issue with GMK R5. Obviously things like this can happen with any of the profiles at any time, just wondering for the sake of wondering where you are seeing the issue.
i'll fully check each cap tonight and let you know
Post by: hkiri on Tue, 23 June 2020, 16:59:10
But when people are using macro lenses to look at fractional degrees and getting worked up...that's just not something I can relate to.
Don't make a fool of yourself. So far everything talked about or shown here were issues you can spot with your naked eye. In cases of "Print" and "Scroll" even from a normal distance (keyboard sitting in front of you on the table).
Is it within GMK's stated margin of error?
Have they finally released such a spec sheet?
Post by: bobgr8 on Tue, 23 June 2020, 17:07:49
But when people are using macro lenses to look at fractional degrees and getting worked up...that's just not something I can relate to.
Don't make a fool of yourself. So far everything talked about or shown here were issues you can spot with your naked eye. In cases of "Print" and "Scroll" even from a normal distance (keyboard sitting in front of you on the table).
Is it within GMK's stated margin of error?
Have they finally released such a spec sheet?
AFAIK, they haven't released it.
but they said this in WoB/BoW Icon extension kit:
Quote
Although the quality of these key caps is acceptable considering regular industrial applications & conditions (according to a very strict Cherry guidelines manual that we keep) we understand that for the hobbyist community the quality observed may not have been enough.
Through this, we would like to reinforce our special care regarding the hobbyist enthusiasts. However we would like to take this opportunity to clarify that the double shot injection molding procedures and current technologies available in the market cannot possibly yield 100% flawless, replicable and exact results for every keycap.
While we take great care of our molds and are constantly implementing process of inspections and replacements as they wear, technical variables such as temperature and pressure of our machines between runs can be controlled only to a certain extent and slightly differ between the production runs
As a result, if examined under microscope and macro lens, it is sometimes possible to observe imperfections and variations that sometimes can't be entirely extinguished. This is because our key caps are meant to be used and observed at a viewing distance of about 45 cm, which translates to normal usage conditions. This time around we understand that the variations on a couple legends didn't meet pleasing characteristics to the naked eye at close.
We are constantly researching and looking for new methods and technologies to be implemented in our facilities, as the hobbyist community is a great part of our operation. The passion and support is very much appreciated.
Thank you for your understanding.
Which I find a bit of BS and a bit of saving grace.
As seen from 45cm, anyone with 6/6 vision can make out the errors, and by their own definition, merit a replacement.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UNMMcgtl.jpg)
How do they manage to have three completely different results for the exact same sign? The Euro-sign on the 4 and E look nothing like the render at all.
Also the @ below the Q is tilted AF.. same on the 2/@ key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nRBxfyFl.jpg)
The P is rotated clockwiseShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/dhNdgEWl.jpg)
The dash is nowhere near straight****, I can confirm that my -_ key is also slanted on my GMK Night Runner Set. I never noticed it until further inspection after seeing this post... :pepehands: My P key might also be crooked but it's too hard to tell with it on the board, the -_ key stands out like a sore thumb.
Just compared both caps to my R1 Honeywell set and both sets have the same issue on the -_ key, same with the P key, I think people are just now getting around to noticing these issues.
Don't know how that's possible since Mizu looked perfectly fine(as somebody compared above). Is Dixie or Janglad going to address this issue like Emir did for wob/bow extension? Or are we going to accept lower quality from GMK going forward. If it's the latter lmk now so I can stop joining GMK gbs.
> Is Dixie or Janglad going to address this issue like Emir
Waiting on the same, Emir did a great job.
Post by: packman86 on Tue, 23 June 2020, 17:56:13
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Post by: eniigma on Tue, 23 June 2020, 18:20:00
hot take: if GMK quality is getting worse and they aren’t doing anything about it, stop buying GMK and force them to do something about it
Post by: janglad on Tue, 23 June 2020, 20:04:30
I think at the end of the day we're at the grace of GMK. Obviously it's in the vendors' best interest to provide a product with the highest possible quality. Simply paying to get them remade or asking GMK to remake them for free doesn't seem like the solution though, since chances are high the same keys will come out of those mould machines.
I think it's also interesting to note (as been done above) that some of these issues are things that have been on GMK sets for years but people just never picked up on. I made some detailed pictures of keys a while ago for render legends and noticed stuff like inconsistent kerning/alignment across text and stuff like the wiggly lines on the keys below:
(https://i.imgur.com/qdKpKwJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rA6khYl.jpg)
These are just some examples but I noticed similar stuff across multiple sets spanning years.
IIRC nobody complained about having issues with their MoDo sets (I certainly didn't pick them up until I took these pictures) but I feel like it'd definitely be reported if that same set shipped today. Obviously standards can change so I'm not saying it wouldn't be valid, but I do think it's important to mention that some of these are an increase in expectations and not a decrease in quality. With the insane amount of growth it's to be expected that more people start taking out their magnifying glass, and once word gets out this starts snowballing people read about it and start checking their own sets.
However, these issues are definitely showing up more for every set. Is this simply because the amount of sets sold has increased 5 fold and has the % of these issues stayed the same? Or is the % of affected sets growing on average? At this time I'm not sure, at least not when it comes to "milder issues" like the ones here. Some sets definitely seem to have newer and more serious issues (if I'm not remembering it wrong the Esc key on Wavez and icon mods on sets like the WOB extension kit had new issues and were very common).
Feel free to send me pictures if you have issues to me on Discord @janglad#0001 , I'd be interested to see the kind of issues and how common they are. If possible do not use the GH PM system since it's horrible ;D
(As a side note, a lot of these pictures are taken with very wide angle phone cameras which makes checking alignment hard due to the lens warping the picture making straight things seem crooked, if you can try using as long of a lens as possible and take your picture top down).
Post by: Bookman3 on Tue, 23 June 2020, 20:34:53
Strongly relate to Duke hereBut when people are using macro lenses to look at fractional degrees and getting worked up...that's just not something I can relate to.
Don't make a fool of yourself. So far everything talked about or shown here were issues you can spot with your naked eye. In cases of "Print" and "Scroll" even from a normal distance (keyboard sitting in front of you on the table).
. Unusually warped spacebars (mt3 pbt) is one thing, but I have a hard time being concerned by slight variations in angles. That euro symbol diff would bother me, but didn’t get that kit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 23 June 2020, 20:44:51
My parcel locker is down due to storm until Thursday.
Post by: Bookman3 on Tue, 23 June 2020, 20:46:35
My 9009 arrived in my parcel locker.
My parcel locker is down due to storm until Thursday.
oof. I feel you though. My New Model F went to Delaware. I’m in Washington state. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: ackzot on Tue, 23 June 2020, 21:19:33
Post by: Emir on Wed, 24 June 2020, 01:46:47
It's about how much you care. Even after icons for wob/bow was resolved, sets that shipped after it (WoB Hiragana for example) shows no sign of caring enough to have it resolved, just like they didn't care they switched up the icons without informing anyone.
When I first raised it with GMK, I was turned down, it was "within specification" and we had the whole statements thing posted. I didn't give up, I kept pushing until it was resolved. Why? Because I care.
Do you care Janglad? It's easy to sit back and be like welp "it's in the vendors interest", "at the grace of gmk" and "asking gmk to remake them... doesn't seem like the solution" after raking in the money from everyone already. For GMK Minimal, the legends issues were swept under a rug even after a customer did all the work for you by assembling a whole PDF outlining every single issue. It is nice to be hands off after collecting and hope it dies down.
Or maybe there just aren't any tickets registered with Dixiemech? :thumb:
There's also the argument that it's easier for GMK to replace keys with kits/sets that sold less than 500, compared to something massive like this. Which is true, but GMK was also commissioned A LOT more for 9009 in total which is a counter weight.
Now, to be realistic, it is true that if the issues are not consistent, I am sorry to say that the customers having these problems will just have to let go and keep in mind that things like this do happen with GMK and until their "specifications" are official, you must come to expect this to some degree.
It won't be resolved in that case. With GMK WoB/Bow, it was consistent across every kit, that is probably the only reason we could have it remade. In any case, I hope your attitude towards issues changes even after sets are delivered.
Post by: Extraxyz on Wed, 24 June 2020, 02:07:59
That said; I'm not looking nor expecting to get anything resolved, it's just feedback on a set that I intend to use regardless. If you do nothing with that feedback that's fine too, but it would make me think twice which designer to buy the next set from (even though I'm already in on MoDo 2). It almost feels like you don't care about the sets after GB is fulfilled (unless a post goes viral on Reddit). While another designer sent me a second "Hello world!" key because the first was misaligned by a fraction of a millimeter..
Post by: Emir on Wed, 24 June 2020, 02:24:40
I asked people who DMd me or posted in my discord to post straight into the thread for visibility and no excuses.
However, the main reason is that GMK does look in geekhack threads. If they see one or two pictures they won't care. If they see a lot of customers posting the same issues, that's a different ball game.
Initially, they deemed that WoB/BoW issues weren't consistent, that is until I had everyone post images like crazy.
Unless Janglad want's to reupload all images and prove they're different sets from different customers in an excel sheet and send it over to GMK, that is.
If you are one of the lucky few to read my posts in this thread, congratulations! They are likely to soon be removed by geekhack mods, like in the 8008 thread when I raise any criticism. :)
Post by: janglad on Wed, 24 June 2020, 03:15:58
The legend issues in WoB/BoW also existed in previous sets, and sets after it but were still resolved for that kit.
It's about how much you care. Even after icons for wob/bow was resolved, sets that shipped after it (WoB Hiragana for example) shows no sign of caring enough to have it resolved, just like they didn't care they switched up the icons without informing anyone.
When I first raised it with GMK, I was turned down, it was "within specification" and we had the whole statements thing posted. I didn't give up, I kept pushing until it was resolved. Why? Because I care.
Do you care Janglad? It's easy to sit back and be like welp "it's in the vendors interest", "at the grace of gmk" and "asking gmk to remake them... doesn't seem like the solution" after raking in the money from everyone already. For GMK Minimal, the legends issues were swept under a rug even after a customer did all the work for you by assembling a whole PDF outlining every single issue. It is nice to be hands off after collecting and hope it dies down.
Or maybe there just aren't any tickets registered with Dixiemech? :thumb:
There's also the argument that it's easier for GMK to replace keys with kits/sets that sold less than 500, compared to something massive like this. Which is true, but GMK was also commissioned A LOT more for 9009 in total which is a counter weight.
Now, to be realistic, it is true that if the issues are not consistent, I am sorry to say that the customers having these problems will just have to let go and keep in mind that things like this do happen with GMK and until their "specifications" are official, you must come to expect this to some degree.
It won't be resolved in that case. With GMK WoB/Bow, it was consistent across every kit, that is probably the only reason we could have it remade. In any case, I hope your attitude towards issues changes even after sets are delivered.
As for Minimal, the complaints came from one person months after everybody else already had gotten their sets and were happy with it. After this a handful more people noticed the same issues. This did indeed not warrant 1000+ packages going around the world for me.
As for the comparison to WoB/BoW, like you said the issue was consistent across all sets + the icons were the entire set (altho sure you could say that having perfect legends is a big part of every GMK set). As you said, that's why you were able to get it remade by GMK, in other words you also were at the grace of GMK. I'm not trying to hide behind it, it's simply the truth. If GMK considers these within tolerance simple reordering keys won't resolve anything. It seems to me that the issues with the keys now are ones that would have happened on GBs years ago too without people taking notice, in contrast to the clearly new issues like on WoB/BoW and Wavez.
Again, it's in the best interest of everyone involved here from the customer to me to the vendors to deliver the best quality product possible. Making customers not happy sure isn't a sustainable business model. It doesn't look good on anyone when these issues become widespread. I think it's obvious I care, I just also think it's important to nuance stuff like higher expectations VS lower quality and greater sample size VS greater failure rate.
Post by: hkiri on Wed, 24 June 2020, 05:33:10
The bare minimum would be to at least communicate this to GMK.
The worst:
(https://i.imgur.com/XVNj37w.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ncWSaCP.jpg)
Bad but okay:
(https://i.imgur.com/tgRaKyS.jpg)
Post by: janglad on Wed, 24 June 2020, 05:37:54
Post by: Emir on Wed, 24 June 2020, 06:04:26
Well, they don't have to, but it certainly helps your case (I learned this the hard way, being rejected first).
I also don't see how it is easier to follow up to a lot of people individually than to adress everyone in one post, but it's your decision. Hope it can be resolved, genuinely! :thumb:
Post by: janglad on Wed, 24 June 2020, 08:11:35
Especially the legends of the "Print" and "Scroll" keycaps have issues I have never seen before on any other GMK set, so that's something completely new and everyone I talked to had the same issues. So it seems to be consistent.
The bare minimum would be to at least communicate this to GMK.
The worst:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XVNj37w.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ncWSaCP.jpg)
Bad but okay:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tgRaKyS.jpg)
Alright so straightening these out the Pause looks like it has an ever so slightly tilted P but the legend seems p straight overall. Same with print, pretty straight altho the P is slightly too low. The scroll is definitely messed up though.
(https://i.imgur.com/XGUpZ3m.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DrLakU7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wu0Q6dy.jpg)
I'll be adding other pictures to this album https://imgur.com/a/SlEnqrE (https://imgur.com/a/SlEnqrE)
Post by: fleeceman on Wed, 24 June 2020, 08:18:15
What really concerns me is that the quality of GMK legends is clearly declining. I will hold off joining any more GBs until they have resolved these issues.
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Post by: janglad on Wed, 24 June 2020, 08:26:11
I think the scroll, print, and tilted P are unacceptable really. The tilted underscore I can forgive as it seems it has always been wonky.
What really concerns me is that the quality of GMK legends is clearly declining. I will hold off joining any more GBs until they have resolved these issues.
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as I mentioned above I think higher expectations VS lower quality and higher sample size VS higher failure rate plays a big role here, at least for things like the Pause and Print key. Slightly tilted letters or ones below the baseline are definitely things I noticed in a lot of legends from different sets/years when I took a deep dive for render legends a while back. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed but I at least for those 2 keys I wouldn't say it indicates GMK getting worse. There will always be some tolerances in every product. The scroll however is definitely unacceptable and would have been called out a year ago as well.
Post by: bobgr8 on Wed, 24 June 2020, 08:55:07
i forgot that from now on every GB thread for a GMK set will end up like this lol
hot take: if GMK quality is getting worse and they aren’t doing anything about it, stop buying GMK and force them to do something about it
I agree, but this is a unique hobby, where we pay up first based on renders and get our products months later.
If this is the current state of GMK moulds and GMK isn't correcting them. Maybe the future renders should also show a slanted - and a slanted P key. and all the other errors in the render. lol. You know for transparency sake. \s
Obviously no designer is going to do that, but this careless attitude from GMK should be pointed out, so buyers can make an informed decision, rather than GMK saying oops 6 months later.
I'm gonna stay away from GMK until they rectify their errors.
Post by: janglad on Wed, 24 June 2020, 09:00:09
i forgot that from now on every GB thread for a GMK set will end up like this lol
hot take: if GMK quality is getting worse and they aren’t doing anything about it, stop buying GMK and force them to do something about it
I agree, but this is a unique hobby, where we pay up first based on renders and get our products months later.
If this is the current state of GMK moulds and GMK isn't correcting them. Maybe the future renders should also show a slanted - and a slanted P key. and all the other errors in the render. lol. You know for transparency sake. \s
Obviously no designer is going to do that, but this careless attitude from GMK should be pointed out, so buyers can make an informed decision, rather than GMK saying oops 6 months later. Can't see the mistakes.
I'm gonna stay away from GMK until they rectify their errors.
I actually did copy over the inconsistent kerning on some keys the best I could, although there's a certain point where you can't make it identical since the placement differs ever so slightly from set to set/mould to mould. 90099 R3 still used my old render legends thought, I redid them for Modern Dolch Light.
Post by: hkiri on Wed, 24 June 2020, 09:20:33
Especially the legends of the "Print" and "Scroll" keycaps have issues I have never seen before on any other GMK set, so that's something completely new and everyone I talked to had the same issues. So it seems to be consistent.
The bare minimum would be to at least communicate this to GMK.
The worst:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XVNj37w.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ncWSaCP.jpg)
Bad but okay:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tgRaKyS.jpg)
Alright so straightening these out the Pause looks like it has an ever so slightly tilted P but the legend seems p straight overall. Same with print, pretty straight altho the P is slightly too low. The scroll is definitely messed up though.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XGUpZ3m.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/DrLakU7.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Wu0Q6dy.jpg)
I'll be adding other pictures to this album https://imgur.com/a/SlEnqrE (https://imgur.com/a/SlEnqrE)
Thanks a lot for taking your time editing and analyzing my pictures.
And sorry for providing mediocre material. Unfortunately I only have an old smartphone on hand for taking pictures :/
Oh and just to make sure: I only provided a picture of the "Pause" keycap for its really bold "u". I know that this is something that already occurred on several other sets but in this case it's way bolder than I have ever experienced this "issue" before. It's fairly noticeable when it is mounted on a keyboard and just sitting in front of you.
But nothing I would start an outcry for. Just added it. But "Scroll" and "Print" are really, really bad. Nothing I have ever experienced before with any GMK set.
Thanks again for taking your time!
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 25 June 2020, 00:18:10
Anybody knows how to straighten this? Coz Abs boils at a lower temperature, is it safe to attempt to straighten it.
Poor QC man. Now I know why GMK does not do a grab bag, coz GMK is grab bag Hope JTK improves it's quality and GMK get its s**** together
(https://i.imgur.com/0vLPi3i.jpg)
Also the ? is much thinner than /
(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
also putting the scor// and pause and the Print here for the sake of redundancy.
(https://i.imgur.com/syBuNhw.jpg)
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 25 June 2020, 00:58:08
What does really bother me though is that my space bars are warped as well. Even the accent bars. I've noticed that 6u GMK bars are often slightly warped, but 6.25u and 7u bars are almost always perfectly straight.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 25 June 2020, 02:45:09
Warped spacebars on the other hand, is a problem. Not for pbt, but for ABS, it is.
Post by: Emir on Thu, 25 June 2020, 03:58:25
Also the ? is much thinner than /Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
This is normal and the "way it is", don't expect this to be fixed. There are sets like this (including all of my OG Cherry Doubleshots), and then there are a few sets with a more balanced ?, but I wouldn't count on it being fixed as it has been that way since cherry times.
The banana spacebars is new to me, damn.
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 25 June 2020, 06:07:45
Also the ? is much thinner than /Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
This is normal and the "way it is", don't expect this to be fixed. There are sets like this (including all of my OG Cherry Doubleshots), and then there are a few sets with a more balanced ?, but I wouldn't count on it being fixed as it has been that way since cherry times.
The banana spacebars is new to me, damn.
Oh, ok thank you!
Post by: Sun on Thu, 25 June 2020, 09:30:41
Post by: 3ambutter on Thu, 25 June 2020, 11:06:14
Post by: Pylon on Thu, 25 June 2020, 11:18:00
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 25 June 2020, 11:27:58
All my OG Cherry double shots have the unusually thin ? symbol.where can I get them? Apart from r/mm ofc
Post by: Pylon on Thu, 25 June 2020, 11:35:14
But some of the issues (? key thinness, etc.) have been issues since the Cherry days. I wonder how many of the issues are just being discovered now due to heightened scrutiny, and have always been there.
Post by: senryo on Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:05:24
Can you guys post pictures of your issues so Janglad/Dixie can see and try to do something? My shipping got delayed so I wont have pictures for another 3 days. But honestly at this point is it even worth opening?
I don't think Dixie/Janglad could do much on this, its manufacturer end's problem; unless relative parties of GMK decides to step in, otherwise, I could only see this as what it is :-X
Post by: janglad on Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:13:05
Off-topic, but Cherry G80 and G81 keyboards with H as their first letter after the numbers - for example G81-8000HPBUS.
But some of the issues (? key thinness, etc.) have been issues since the Cherry days. I wonder how many of the issues are just being discovered now due to heightened scrutiny, and have always been there.
Yeah and they have fixed at least some on their own (although the only one I can think of is the # that got fixed about 1-2 years ago)
Post by: janglad on Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:14:04
Also what is up with warped spacebars? Why even bother with GMK at this point.
Anybody knows how to straighten this? Coz Abs boils at a lower temperature, is it safe to attempt to straighten it.
Poor QC man. Now I know why GMK does not do a grab bag, coz GMK is grab bag Hope JTK improves it's quality and GMK get its s**** togetherShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/0vLPi3i.jpg)
Also the ? is much thinner than /Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
also putting the scor// and pause and the Print here for the sake of redundancy.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/syBuNhw.jpg)
was your tray bent at all?
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 25 June 2020, 14:34:05
Post by: wil on Thu, 25 June 2020, 14:36:48
edit: to be extra clear, the 6.25 is catching. cannot test the 7u
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 25 June 2020, 18:26:37
I see legend issues but nothing that hasn't been prevalent before.
Post by: ackzot on Thu, 25 June 2020, 20:08:45
[attach=1]
My Pause, Print, and Scroll are like the other photos. Pause and Print are liveable, but Scroll is annoying with the slanted ll.
All the space bars in the aesthetics kit are warped. the 7u rattles a little when mounted on a keyboard.
Post by: tonyjones on Thu, 25 June 2020, 20:33:11
Post by: ackzot on Thu, 25 June 2020, 20:34:29
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Post by: pmsingchicken on Thu, 25 June 2020, 21:35:07
Post by: of_sam on Thu, 25 June 2020, 22:49:32
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 25 June 2020, 23:20:36
Print and Scroll are the main culprits. Colored accent legends looked slightly feathery/blurry but nothing out of the ordinary.
Can confirm that Norde kit has Euro symbols that are very inconsistent.
Spacebars were slightly warped but probably fixable with some warm water, a stabilizer and a heavy book.
Post by: jani80k on Fri, 26 June 2020, 03:44:52
At least about the second category we (and GMK) can and should do something.
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:42:48
(https://i.imgur.com/5g1GQXU.jpg)
It is less noticeable due to the color scheme though.
My eyes could be deceiving me but take it as you will
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:45:02
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:48:54
Is that Oblivion V1 or V2?
V2
Post by: ricesteam on Fri, 26 June 2020, 09:55:04
[attach=1]
That's GMK Modo R1 on my keyboard.
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:01:12
The space bar warping is unacceptable, however, I think people are overreacting on the lettering.Oh hey, that pretty much looks EXACTLY the same.
(Attachment Link)
That's GMK Modo R1 on my keyboard.
Guess you're right.
But it also doesn't mean we shouldn't give that feedback back to GMK. I think it's good to be able to confirm that this issue has been around always. Just that people didn't bother to check or couldn't notice it beforehand.
p.s. please bring old trays back; the new ones suck.
Post by: janglad on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:24:54
The space bar warping is unacceptable, however, I think people are overreacting on the lettering.
(Attachment Link)
That's GMK Modo R1 on my keyboard.
Thinking about it now MoDo 1 might be the first set that used Scroll indicating that this issue was in the mould from the beginning (and is thus not recent). I didn't realise it at the time but that should mean it was a new mould made back then. I might be wrong but all the "one liners" before that seem to be Lock, if anyone else can think of a set that used it before MoDo LMK cause I could definitely be wrong.
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:52:52
Post by: hkiri on Fri, 26 June 2020, 11:20:58
Can only check the 6.25u - doesn't seem to cause any problems (so far), but you can see that one side sits a little higher.
Post by: The Real Lippy on Fri, 26 June 2020, 11:50:53
(https://i.imgur.com/HoAgWdJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LMDIHYy.jpg)
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 26 June 2020, 12:21:44
Post by: TheInverseKey on Fri, 26 June 2020, 12:35:00
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
Post by: The Real Lippy on Fri, 26 June 2020, 13:39:18
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 26 June 2020, 14:39:48
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.
(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
Post by: janglad on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:15:01
(https://i.imgur.com/YvzkJti.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jzo966y.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/cwCL2mr.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UiFJiM8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BdS3VSF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kGHXGZ8.jpg)
(Thanks to Poesjuh for the Nines pics!)
These moulds were like this from the beginning
Post by: ttom on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:17:56
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:21:11
Also what is up with warped spacebars? Why even bother with GMK at this point.
Anybody knows how to straighten this? Coz Abs boils at a lower temperature, is it safe to attempt to straighten it.
Poor QC man. Now I know why GMK does not do a grab bag, coz GMK is grab bag Hope JTK improves it's quality and GMK get its s**** togetherShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/0vLPi3i.jpg)
Also the ? is much thinner than /Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
also putting the scor// and pause and the Print here for the sake of redundancy.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/syBuNhw.jpg)
was your tray bent at all?
Hey, no the keycaps came in perfect condition, the vendor (ilu) had put in them in another box with some padding.
I doubt it's shipping damage, as my aesthetics kit which is packed outside the base was also bent. Both the 7u and 6.5u red and green are bent. Which basically means I have a lot of warped spacebars that cause rattle :(
karens rise up
(https://i.imgur.com/GqbLYeO.png)
You vs the guy she told you not to worry about.
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:39:41
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:43:54
Also what is up with warped spacebars? Why even bother with GMK at this point.
Anybody knows how to straighten this? Coz Abs boils at a lower temperature, is it safe to attempt to straighten it.
Poor QC man. Now I know why GMK does not do a grab bag, coz GMK is grab bag Hope JTK improves it's quality and GMK get its s**** togetherShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/0vLPi3i.jpg)
Also the ? is much thinner than /Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
also putting the scor// and pause and the Print here for the sake of redundancy.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/syBuNhw.jpg)
was your tray bent at all?
Hey, no the keycaps came in perfect condition, the vendor (ilu) had put in them in another box with some padding.
I doubt it's shipping damage, as my aesthetics kit which is packed outside the base was also bent. Both the 7u and 6.5u red and green are bent. Which basically means I have a lot of warped spacebars that cause rattle :(karens rise upShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GqbLYeO.png)
You vs the guy she told you not to worry about.
This is just another testament to show renders aren't reflective of the set. The 't' is completely different. Which basically means we blindly buy a keyset.
To be clear the moulds aren't the designers fault, however we expect them to help getting this feedback back to GMK especially if they have future involvement with GMK. Further the warped spacebars are unacceptable to me, the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness.
JTK spacebars are on taobao for mere dollars if one is willing to use a proxy. And they come straight. I am willing to accept the ****ty legend (which is beyond me because GMK uses custom moulds for novelties, but still willing to accept), but faulty spacebars are a no go, especially when I have 8 of them.
Would you at least consider getting a replacement for these faulty spacebars? Even replacements (if any) are going to be a headache for me coz Im not in the US and my country has no proxy, which means I'll have to pay for shipping and customs on it.
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:47:36
...the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness....
The only reason you bought them was because you thought they'd be straight? Seems like a very weird reason to buy something.
Post by: hkiri on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:50:29
These moulds were like this from the beginning
That's even worse tbh.
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:52:01
...the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness....
The only reason you bought them was because you thought they'd be straight? Seems like a very weird reason to buy something.
Is it unreasonable to expect straight spacebars? This isn't a known issue, unlike with PBT spacebars. Also forgive me, English isn't my native language.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 26 June 2020, 16:00:07
...the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness....
The only reason you bought them was because you thought they'd be straight? Seems like a very weird reason to buy something.
Is it unreasonable to expect straight spacebars? This isn't a known issue, unlike with PBT spacebars. Also forgive me, English isn't my native language.
all plastics will have some degree of warpage when molded into shapes like this unless they are reinforced in some way, per my conversations with various manufacturers (some keycap and some not) and plastics engineers
my spacebars from KB/CO, handarbeit, and soware are all mildly warped, as well as on a couple of my yolch sets
it's less a matter of total prevention and more a matter of mitigating it as much as possible
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 16:12:10
...the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness....
The only reason you bought them was because you thought they'd be straight? Seems like a very weird reason to buy something.
Is it unreasonable to expect straight spacebars? This isn't a known issue, unlike with PBT spacebars. Also forgive me, English isn't my native language.
all plastics will have some degree of warpage when molded into shapes like this unless they are reinforced in some way, per my conversations with various manufacturers (some keycap and some not) and plastics engineers
my spacebars from KB/CO, handarbeit, and soware are all mildly warped, as well as on a couple of my yolch sets
it's less a matter of total prevention and more a matter of mitigating it as much as possible
Hey, I agree all manufacturing have certain tolerances, but getting 8 warped spacebars means it isn't a tolerance issue.Further other also have this issue, which wasn't reported in previous sets. The level of warping is very close to my ePbt set. PBT at least has the excuse of being .. well.. PBT.
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 26 June 2020, 16:30:46
...the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness....
The only reason you bought them was because you thought they'd be straight? Seems like a very weird reason to buy something.
No it's not. What's unreasonable is to buy something simply because you thought it would be straight.
Most people buy spacebars to use, not to marvel out how well they sit against a flat surface.
I think you're buying spacebars for the wrong reason.
Is it unreasonable to expect straight spacebars? This isn't a known issue, unlike with PBT spacebars. Also forgive me, English isn't my native language.
Post by: Sun on Fri, 26 June 2020, 18:24:09
I am also not using the accent escape key because of the "fuzziness" on the double shot.
I believe these issues along with the spacing and kerning were there all along but for some reason they are worse on this set in particular. I hope GMK will look into this and identify what happened because quality should be improving not getting worse.
Legend sharpness and no warped bars along with color are some of the main reasons I prefer GMK ABS over PBT dye sub.
So 2 sets that sprung to mind that have the same Print Scroll Pause keys are Nines and VaporwaveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YvzkJti.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jzo966y.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cwCL2mr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UiFJiM8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BdS3VSF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGHXGZ8.jpg)
(Thanks to Poesjuh for the Nines pics!)
These moulds were like this from the beginning
Why is 9009 legend thickness so inconsistent when compared to these other sets?
Post by: janglad on Fri, 26 June 2020, 19:06:22
I don't expect the space bars to be perfectly square but this level of warping is concerning because it is obviously worse than all my other GMK sets. My PBT Mt3 Serika space bar is better. Warping is not purely an aesthetics issue for me as it makes my stabilizer noisy.
I am also not using the accent escape key because of the "fuzziness" on the double shot.
I believe these issues along with the spacing and kerning were there all along but for some reason they are worse on this set in particular. I hope GMK will look into this and identify what happened because quality should be improving not getting worse.
Legend sharpness and no warped bars along with color are some of the main reasons I prefer GMK ABS over PBT dye sub.So 2 sets that sprung to mind that have the same Print Scroll Pause keys are Nines and VaporwaveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YvzkJti.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jzo966y.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cwCL2mr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UiFJiM8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BdS3VSF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGHXGZ8.jpg)
(Thanks to Poesjuh for the Nines pics!)
These moulds were like this from the beginning
Why is 9009 legend thickness so inconsistent when compared to these other sets?
Ones like Scroll and Print are identical to other sets, they pop out a bit more cause of the deep black legends/high contrast + people are just looking for them now.
(https://i.imgur.com/tG7Lhu3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tn7OOZR.jpg)
Left is R2 right is R3, R3 is identical or better (icon enter line is straighter/cleaner).
Thanks to LightningXI for these, go harass him on Twitch (https://m.twitch.tv/lightningkeyboards/profile)
Post by: The Real Lippy on Fri, 26 June 2020, 19:36:42
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
Yeah now match that to the color of my accents and ESC key and you clearly see that doesnt match.... Mine is way more muted, in person its even worse.... It legit looks like they were running low on ink or something and there is these tiny white dots all through the cap
Post by: janglad on Fri, 26 June 2020, 19:53:24
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
Yeah now match that to the color of my accents and ESC key and you clearly see that doesnt match.... Mine is way more muted, in person its even worse.... It legit looks like they were running low on ink or something and there is these tiny white dots all through the cap
What kind of lighting are you under? Plastic is ordered in huge batches, especially stock colours. A single outlier definitely seems impossible, especially across multiple keys that all happen to be that way in one set...
Post by: Sun on Fri, 26 June 2020, 19:59:10
I don't expect the space bars to be perfectly square but this level of warping is concerning because it is obviously worse than all my other GMK sets. My PBT Mt3 Serika space bar is better. Warping is not purely an aesthetics issue for me as it makes my stabilizer noisy.
I am also not using the accent escape key because of the "fuzziness" on the double shot.
I believe these issues along with the spacing and kerning were there all along but for some reason they are worse on this set in particular. I hope GMK will look into this and identify what happened because quality should be improving not getting worse.
Legend sharpness and no warped bars along with color are some of the main reasons I prefer GMK ABS over PBT dye sub.So 2 sets that sprung to mind that have the same Print Scroll Pause keys are Nines and VaporwaveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YvzkJti.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jzo966y.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cwCL2mr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UiFJiM8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BdS3VSF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGHXGZ8.jpg)
(Thanks to Poesjuh for the Nines pics!)
These moulds were like this from the beginning
Why is 9009 legend thickness so inconsistent when compared to these other sets?
Ones like Scroll and Print are identical to other sets, they pop out a bit more cause of the deep black legends/high contrast + people are just looking for them now.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tG7Lhu3.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Tn7OOZR.jpg)
Left is R2 right is R3, R3 is identical or better (icon enter line is straighter/cleaner).
Thanks to LightningXI for these, go harass him on Twitch (https://m.twitch.tv/lightningkeyboards/profile)
They do look identical. It is just weird that I don't see these issues with my other sets. I guess it could be the color combination affecting my perception.
Post by: Delirious on Fri, 26 June 2020, 22:10:38
So 2 sets that sprung to mind that have the same Print Scroll Pause keys are Nines and VaporwaveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YvzkJti.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jzo966y.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cwCL2mr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UiFJiM8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BdS3VSF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGHXGZ8.jpg)
(Thanks to Poesjuh for the Nines pics!)
These moulds were like this from the beginning
This is actually sad and hysterical at the same time. I get the intention to change ''scroll lock'' to ''scroll'' to make it more uniform next to ''print'' and ''pause''. But nobody bothered to scrutinize after paying all that money for a new mold, only to realize GMK have been butt slamming buyers after 5-6 GBs deep, very deep.
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 27 June 2020, 01:04:10
So 2 sets that sprung to mind that have the same Print Scroll Pause keys are Nines and VaporwaveShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YvzkJti.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jzo966y.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cwCL2mr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UiFJiM8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BdS3VSF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGHXGZ8.jpg)
(Thanks to Poesjuh for the Nines pics!)
These moulds were like this from the beginning
This is actually sad and hysterical at the same time. I get the intention to change ''scroll lock'' to ''scroll'' to make it more uniform next to ''print'' and ''pause''. But nobody bothered to scrutinize after paying all that money for a new mold, only to realize GMK have been butt slamming buyers after 5-6 GBs deep, very deep.
I honestly think it isn't even about the new mold, but about the way they have "Scroll" modeled in their files, so this ""issue"" could extend even further back to the oldest sets made. I think it's just the massive scaling and hyperawareness around this that's making this blow up. Of course we could have suggestions for GMK to fix this, but I don't think they may be at fault here for this if this has been something that has been overlooked for, like, forever.
Some images of older sets here:
GMK Cyan GMK Uniqey Q:01
GMK White on Black GMK TA90
(https://i.imgur.com/SyuP311.jpg)
And to accentuate the word "Scroll" even further:
(https://i.imgur.com/eRfoNP5.jpg)
My thoughts: people are blowing this out of proportion. The "defects" have always been there and are just being brought to attention now. This is good info for GMK to follow up on, but not something to be absolutely furious about.
Post by: befbef on Sat, 27 June 2020, 01:11:21
Aside from the Dixiemods. These are totally out of place. Why do we have Alt-Gr to give it a vintage touch and then replace shift and caps with cheap-chinese-clone mods?
I don't expect doubleshots to be 100% perfect and looking on my board these are beautiful. I don't use macro lenses to look at them.
Had a jtk set last year, since then I appreciate the quality of gmk even more.
Post by: Pylon on Sat, 27 June 2020, 01:55:33
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Post by: janglad on Sat, 27 June 2020, 05:42:19
Also what is up with warped spacebars? Why even bother with GMK at this point.
Anybody knows how to straighten this? Coz Abs boils at a lower temperature, is it safe to attempt to straighten it.
Poor QC man. Now I know why GMK does not do a grab bag, coz GMK is grab bag Hope JTK improves it's quality and GMK get its s**** togetherShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/0vLPi3i.jpg)
Also the ? is much thinner than /Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/marn3md.jpg)
also putting the scor// and pause and the Print here for the sake of redundancy.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/syBuNhw.jpg)
was your tray bent at all?
Hey, no the keycaps came in perfect condition, the vendor (ilu) had put in them in another box with some padding.
I doubt it's shipping damage, as my aesthetics kit which is packed outside the base was also bent. Both the 7u and 6.5u red and green are bent. Which basically means I have a lot of warped spacebars that cause rattle :(karens rise upShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GqbLYeO.png)
You vs the guy she told you not to worry about.
This is just another testament to show renders aren't reflective of the set. The 't' is completely different. Which basically means we blindly buy a keyset.
To be clear the moulds aren't the designers fault, however we expect them to help getting this feedback back to GMK especially if they have future involvement with GMK. Further the warped spacebars are unacceptable to me, the only reason why I bought them was for the straightness.
JTK spacebars are on taobao for mere dollars if one is willing to use a proxy. And they come straight. I am willing to accept the ****ty legend (which is beyond me because GMK uses custom moulds for novelties, but still willing to accept), but faulty spacebars are a no go, especially when I have 8 of them.
Would you at least consider getting a replacement for these faulty spacebars? Even replacements (if any) are going to be a headache for me coz Im not in the US and my country has no proxy, which means I'll have to pay for shipping and customs on it.
You're right my render legends were inaccurate back then (I was Arial Rounded MT Bold as the font which obviously has differences like the t) but FYI I redid them for scratch since MoDoL by tracing pictures of GMK caps so it should be close to 1:1 now.
Post by: The Real Lippy on Sat, 27 June 2020, 13:54:08
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
Its not the lighting. The lighting might affect my ability to show it to you in pictures but my Pink ESC and ENTER are very cloudy with white dots all through out the keycaps BUTTTT like i said in my original post this is the smallest of my issues, so iam a little worried that this is the one thing you are addressing. The 8 warped Spacebars that i own that now make my set unusable and the cracked out scroll locks is really what i would like you to addresses in some way please
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
My whole base kit is F'ed. I have the same issues as everyone eles, The pink accents are off and just very cloudy, its hard to get in pictures but it almost looks like a printer when its low on ink, there is white cloudy dots all through the color of the accent keys. My spacebars are warped to the point where they are unusable. The legends are my smallest problem but still really bad, everything with a P in it looks awful and my scroll lock looks like its on crack. I bought 2 base kits and i'm afraid to even open the second one and reading through this thread doesnt give me any hope that anything will be done about this but ill post what pics i have anyway.
I would call it bleed rather the cloudy as since the second colour is darker than the rest of the cap you will notice more bleed regardless. However, I have not seen bleed this bad on doubleshots in a long time.
I agree bleed is a good word for it but besides the bleed i think the whole color is also off, i know nothing ever looks like the renders but i always remember 9009 being closer to eraser pink istead of orange red like R3 seems to have come out, but like i stated i think that these are all minor issues that happen with alot of sets. The unuseable spacebars and disgusting scroll locks are the two biggest issues because they make the set untypeable and there is no excuse for that, i think at a bare minimum we need to get our spacebars fixed
Let me debunk that now because that's misleading and incorrect. Here's a comparison of the accents with the actual GMK color chips that the color is based on. The colors are spot-on.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EexEqkk.jpg)
Yeah now match that to the color of my accents and ESC key and you clearly see that doesnt match.... Mine is way more muted, in person its even worse.... It legit looks like they were running low on ink or something and there is these tiny white dots all through the cap
What kind of lighting are you under? Plastic is ordered in huge batches, especially stock colours. A single outlier definitely seems impossible, especially across multiple keys that all happen to be that way in one set...
Post by: mrkantz on Sat, 27 June 2020, 15:44:38
Post by: chits on Sat, 27 June 2020, 17:13:59
Post by: ackzot on Sat, 27 June 2020, 17:14:51
Scroll is definitely off. It maybe inspire designers to favor Lock over Scroll cause Lock may look better. Or maybe GMK can fix the Scroll mold.
The 9009 space bars are more warped compared to older GMK sets. There may or may not be a change on how GMK manufactures/handles/packages the space bars. If there is a problem, this can help GMK improve it for future GBs.
For 9009 I bought the aesthetics kit. Every single space bar (total of eight between base and child kit) is warped. If its a random tolerance issue, I would expect to see some straight space bars. I may not own as many GMK sets as others. But GMK Jamon, GMK Oblivion v2 Regular, Hagoromo Child Kit and an old Drop GMK WoB have relatively straight space bars compared to every single space bar in my 9009. What is interesting to me is that I have the new Drop GMK White on Black set and it also has warped space bars similar to 9009. We care about space bars cause most people in the community care about rattle.
9009 is a lovely set. Designers are more eagle eyed than me. I am happy Janglad has responded and hope he weighs in more on the space bars. But to help Janglad, people need to report. For those who say their GMK 9009 is fine, it would be nice if they can verify/confirm if their space bars are not warped.
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 27 June 2020, 17:27:41
Just got my set and looks great. Bored of these dorks complaining about everything in this hobby.
everyone who's complaining in this thread let me know when you find that set of perfect keycaps that you think exists.
You two don’t really understand why people are “complaining” (it’s more about addressing problems than plain complaining), do you? GMK was and still is the go to standard for very good keycaps because they don’t have certain flaws, e.g. warped spacebars like almost every PBT set. When this now also occurs on GMK sets, what’s the point in paying this amount of money when you could go for a cheaper ePBT set with the exact same problems? Luckily so far it’s just some slight warping that won’t affect the usage and that’s why people are addressing this rather small issue right now before it is too late and it gets worse.
Post by: 3ambutter on Sat, 27 June 2020, 18:17:37
Scroll is definitely off. It maybe inspire designers to favor Lock over Scroll cause Lock may look better. Or maybe GMK can fix the Scroll mold.
^ This 100%. I went back to see if any of the other gmk GBs I joined have scroll. Luckily only bingsu is affected by this. I'd be more concerned with Dixie's radio silence + Janglad's reluctance to discuss any of the issues with GMK. From what I've read, he's used most of the time defending the set and pretty much saying you're SOL from the start. What's even more troubling is that GMK modo light and GMK modo 2 use the same moulds as gmk 9009. Modo light sold 3k and modo 2 is closing in on 4k. You would think addressing these issues would be a number one priority for them. If a premier vendor/designer duo such as them don't have enough pull at GMK to even have a conversation then maybe we really are SOL.
Post by: ackzot on Sat, 27 June 2020, 19:05:50
I'd be more concerned with Dixie's radio silence + Janglad's reluctance to discuss any of the issues with GMK. From what I've read, he's used most of the time defending the set and pretty much saying you're SOL from the start.
Janglad has responded. He is approaching it analytically. From his work, he has demonstrated Scroll, Print, Pause, and other keys have been consistent from previous group buys. I believe Janglad and Dixie are talking about it, but I don't think at this time Dixie can really provide much to the thread if Janglad is responding.
If GMK molds are the issue, rerunning Scroll, Print, Pause will not fix anything. The bigger issue to me is space bars and Janglad has not weighed in. I believe he is analyzing the situation. First, is this a common issue on the new sets compared to prior GBs which did not experience it. If it is, what might be causing it. Without knowing what is causing it, you can't fix it.
Like Emir, he wants people to report what they have. The more info he has, the better he and/or dixie can approach GMK. Whether or not we will get replacement space bars, I dunno. If there is no solution, then most likely Dixie will not weigh in on 9009. If there is, I suspect at that point Dixie will weigh in.
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What's even more troubling is that GMK modo light and GMK modo 2 use the same moulds as gmk 9009. Modo light sold 3k and modo 2 is closing in on 4k.
Modo Light is still in color matching phase on the accents. GMK Modo 2 is still in GB phase. LightningXI's Dolch R5 (which also uses Scroll) is in IC phase. The designers still might be able to address Scroll (or maybe use Lock). If they can figure out if the space bars is a real issue, then ideally they can work with GMK to fix it before Modo Light, Modo R2, and other sets are made.
Post by: janglad on Sat, 27 June 2020, 19:17:46
Scroll is definitely off. It maybe inspire designers to favor Lock over Scroll cause Lock may look better. Or maybe GMK can fix the Scroll mold.
^ This 100%. I went back to see if any of the other gmk GBs I joined have scroll. Luckily only bingsu is affected by this. I'd be more concerned with Dixie's radio silence + Janglad's reluctance to discuss any of the issues with GMK. From what I've read, he's used most of the time defending the set and pretty much saying you're SOL from the start. What's even more troubling is that GMK modo light and GMK modo 2 use the same moulds as gmk 9009. Modo light sold 3k and modo 2 is closing in on 4k. You would think addressing these issues would be a number one priority for them. If a premier vendor/designer duo such as them don't have enough pull at GMK to even have a conversation then maybe we really are SOL.
Dixie is a busy man, I'm not going to ask him to also reply to things in this thread when I can as well. I bundle the issues, check the images etc and send them to him. I don't think I've in any way been reluctant, GMK simply hasn't said anything yet (they were sent this thread and said they'll look into it on Monday). As for defending, I think it's important to nuance the situation by showing that none of these issues are new or that this set isn't all of the sudden worse quality than the GMK/Cherry we've had and loved for decades now. This is a priority for us, again even from a business POV making customers not happy isn't a sustainable model. We and other vendors/designers have also been pulling at GMK. From their POV it's very costly to retool both because you make the new tooling and because of the delays this might cause to other sets. We also have to keep in mind that these moulds needs to be machined and all things have tolerances. We're talking about fractions of millilitres here (hell, most of the keys come from OG moulds which were made in a time when CNC didn't even exist let alone more accurate stuff like EDM). That doesn't mean it can't be fixed or shouldn't be attempted to fix, it just means it's expensive and hard. Those were a whole lot of accusations.
Post by: Lufenia on Sat, 27 June 2020, 23:46:01
It's been stuck at awaiting collection from Courrier for the last two weeks.
I tried contacting ilumkb but they're not replying.
Post by: 3ambutter on Sun, 28 June 2020, 01:53:10
Those were a whole lot of accusations.
I don't think anything I've said was off-based. You've posted 14 times since this issue has been brought up and none of them mention relaying the information to GMK. None of them even acknowledges the problem with warped space bars. Take a look at how EnjoyMyInsec initially addressed the wavez esc key or how Emir addressed the wob/bow extension kit and compare it to your initial post. "I think at the end of the day we're at the grace of GMK" doesn't instill too much confidence in the gb member.
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 28 June 2020, 02:29:28
Those were a whole lot of accusations.
I don't think anything I've said was off-based. You've posted 14 times since this issue has been brought up and none of them mention relaying the information to GMK. None of them even acknowledges the problem with warped space bars. Take a look at how EnjoyMyInsec initially addressed the wavez esc key or how Emir addressed the wob/bow extension kit and compare it to your initial post. "I think at the end of the day we're at the grace of GMK" doesn't instill too much confidence in the gb member.
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I don't think I've in any way been reluctantWhile you accepted your renders were faulty, you didn't even acknowledge the warped spacebars. Nor did you relay that you've talked to GMK. Kindly let us know if GMK thinks the warped spacebars are faulty or not. And would we be getting fixed spacebars for the same or not.
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Dixie is a busy manThis is his business, if this is how he runs his business, this is a PSA issue, and really bad customer service. I must say, my experience with this GB has been very poor, and makes me rethink of buying a dixie product in the future, as well as letting my friends know the same. Dixie only reacted to Rama Silicone Swirls after it became viral on r/mk .
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I think it's important to nuance the situation by showing that none of these issues are newAgain please clarify on the warped spacebars, that's something no one was expecting. Warped Spacebars are a functional issue, which ruin this otherwise excellent set. Hell, even the cheapest ABS keycaps I own (from RK61, a board that costs $50 with ABS keycaps has a perfect spacebar).
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delays this might cause to other setsAgain this is your other commitments taking priority over this GB, which makes this GB feel like a cash grab. I also believe most GB participants would be alright with a delay. And would prefer it over a faulty spacebar.
Here's Janglad's comment from Top Clack discord
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It seems you truly believe that we are at the mercy of GMK, and it seems you don't care for our issues. You didn't mention that you are relaying the issue to GMK either. Also I don't think anyone wants 2 copies of scro// and P r int and Pause. I certainly don't like 8 faulty spacebars, what would I do with 16 faulty spacebars! We are asking for correction, not just asking you to re-order the same faulty keycaps. Hope that is clear.
Either way, the ramifications of how this GB is handled, are going to be wider than this GB alone.
Post by: nappis on Sun, 28 June 2020, 03:47:12
Post by: janglad on Sun, 28 June 2020, 06:06:52
Those were a whole lot of accusations.
I don't think anything I've said was off-based. You've posted 14 times since this issue has been brought up and none of them mention relaying the information to GMK. None of them even acknowledges the problem with warped space bars. Take a look at how EnjoyMyInsec initially addressed the wavez esc key or how Emir addressed the wob/bow extension kit and compare it to your initial post. "I think at the end of the day we're at the grace of GMK" doesn't instill too much confidence in the gb member.
+1QuoteI don't think I've in any way been reluctantWhile you accepted your renders were faulty, you didn't even acknowledge the warped spacebars. Nor did you relay that you've talked to GMK. Kindly let us know if GMK thinks the warped spacebars are faulty or not. And would we be getting fixed spacebars for the same or not.QuoteDixie is a busy manThis is his business, if this is how he runs his business, this is a PSA issue, and really bad customer service. I must say, my experience with this GB has been very poor, and makes me rethink of buying a dixie product in the future, as well as letting my friends know the same. Dixie only reacted to Rama Silicone Swirls after it became viral on r/mk .QuoteI think it's important to nuance the situation by showing that none of these issues are newAgain please clarify on the warped spacebars, that's something no one was expecting. Warped Spacebars are a functional issue, which ruin this otherwise excellent set. Hell, even the cheapest ABS keycaps I own (from RK61, a board that costs $50 with ABS keycaps has a perfect spacebar).Quotedelays this might cause to other setsAgain this is your other commitments taking priority over this GB, which makes this GB feel like a cash grab. I also believe most GB participants would be alright with a delay. And would prefer it over a faulty spacebar.
Here's Janglad's comment from Top Clack discordShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/nmrjSkx.png)
It seems you truly believe that we are at the mercy of GMK, and it seems you don't care for our issues. You didn't mention that you are relaying the issue to GMK either. Also I don't think anyone wants 2 copies of scro// and P r int and Pause. I certainly don't like 8 faulty spacebars, what would I do with 16 faulty spacebars! We are asking for correction, not just asking you to re-order the same faulty keycaps. Hope that is clear.
Either way, the ramifications of how this GB is handled, are going to be wider than this GB alone.
I have acknowledged the warped spacebars. I just don't know yet what causes them, have not heard back yet from GMK and I'm not going to make false promises. Same with the PSA. And yes that is obvious, GMK needs to change their production process for this to not have the same outcome. In other words they need to consider it out of tolerances so they do have the final say. Obviously doesn't mean we can't push them. Also not sure how that'd be a cash grab, if it was wouldn't I not care about delays in other sets as well? Either way that was not meant as a decision that would need to be weighed off by us but one that would need to be weighed off by GMK because you're right, I'm sure people wouldn't mind the delays in this case. As for the Discord conversation you brought up, kinda interesting you went from
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to now even adding that screenshot to your signature. But heh you're obviously allowed to complain/change your mind :D
Post by: lys.nordique on Sun, 28 June 2020, 06:47:09
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 28 June 2020, 07:12:30
But heh you're obviously allowed to complain/change your mind :D
Yeah Im just waiting on the resolution, then I'll decide on what to do with the GMK GBs I'm already in. And what to do with 8 faulty spacebars, do I risk DIY fix or recycle it as trash.
Since you have pointed GMK to this thread, I'll share my experience with QC and how they were handled.
By Keycreative for KAT Milkshake:
BIIP immediately contacted Keycreative through Zfrontier and replacements have been promised. I'm talked to Alex from Zf as well. They were glad to know the issues and are working to resolve it.
By Drop on MT3 Serika:
I do not have my set yet(it's with a friend), but Drop has confirmed to have provided replacement spacebars for MT3 Serika, including one that was received by Taeha on stream.
Edit: @Janglad, do you personally find the QC on point and accept the warped/faulty spacebars? Or are you searching for OG cherry spacebars that are warped to defend it? Just so we can understand your standards to make realistic expectations regarding this GB and your future GBs. Especially your take on the spacebars. This way both we and GMK can get a clear understanding of your thought process.
I'm personally not ok with rattly spacebars that banana, and I bought GMK expecting it could make straight spacebars. Given it's abs and cheap Chinese OEMs can manage straight spacebars.
Post by: ackzot on Sun, 28 June 2020, 11:17:17
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Post by: break on Sun, 28 June 2020, 11:32:35
But heh you're obviously allowed to complain/change your mind :D
Yeah Im just waiting on the resolution, then I'll decide on what to do with the GMK GBs I'm already in. And what to do with 8 faulty spacebars, do I risk DIY fix or recycle it as trash.
Since you have pointed GMK to this thread, I'll share my experience with QC and how they were handled.
By Keycreative for KAT Milkshake:
BIIP immediately contacted Keycreative through Zfrontier and replacements have been promised. I'm talked to Alex from Zf as well. They were glad to know the issues and are working to resolve it.
By Drop on MT3 Serika:
I do not have my set yet(it's with a friend), but Drop has confirmed to have provided replacement spacebars for MT3 Serika, including one that was received by Taeha on stream.
Edit: @Janglad, do you personally find the QC on point and accept the warped/faulty spacebars? Or are you searching for OG cherry spacebars that are warped to defend it? Just so we can understand your standards to make realistic expectations regarding this GB and your future GBs. Especially your take on the spacebars. This way both we and GMK can get a clear understanding of your thought process.
I'm personally not ok with rattly spacebars that banana, and I bought GMK expecting it could make straight spacebars. Given it's abs and cheap Chinese OEMs can manage straight spacebars.
Hey, take it easy. Janglad already said he sent the thread to GMK. It’s a weekend. Customer service over there is not working right now, and we know that GMK is responsive to enthusiast concerns based on prior experience.
Seems like you’re new to this hobby, as this was your first GMK GB. I promise you’ll get better results waiting for news from Janglad or Dixie than cross-examining Janglad in this thread, or accusing him of cash grabs after he has designed some of the community’s most successful GBs. He (as we all) are trying the best we can.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sun, 28 June 2020, 11:53:07
But heh you're obviously allowed to complain/change your mind :D
Yeah Im just waiting on the resolution, then I'll decide on what to do with the GMK GBs I'm already in. And what to do with 8 faulty spacebars, do I risk DIY fix or recycle it as trash.
Since you have pointed GMK to this thread, I'll share my experience with QC and how they were handled.
By Keycreative for KAT Milkshake:
BIIP immediately contacted Keycreative through Zfrontier and replacements have been promised. I'm talked to Alex from Zf as well. They were glad to know the issues and are working to resolve it.
By Drop on MT3 Serika:
I do not have my set yet(it's with a friend), but Drop has confirmed to have provided replacement spacebars for MT3 Serika, including one that was received by Taeha on stream.
Edit: @Janglad, do you personally find the QC on point and accept the warped/faulty spacebars? Or are you searching for OG cherry spacebars that are warped to defend it? Just so we can understand your standards to make realistic expectations regarding this GB and your future GBs. Especially your take on the spacebars. This way both we and GMK can get a clear understanding of your thought process.
I'm personally not ok with rattly spacebars that banana, and I bought GMK expecting it could make straight spacebars. Given it's abs and cheap Chinese OEMs can manage straight spacebars.
Geez man. Please take a break.
Keep in mind this is the weekend. GMK is not going to have support staff on hand 24/7 to chat about spacebars. That's not how it works.
I know you said this is your first GB, so please calm down.
Keep in mind that doing GBs like this is only about 1/3 of GMK's business. Their core business is still making keycaps for industrial and commercial use where people aren't measuring keycaps with macro lenses.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 28 June 2020, 12:37:35
But heh you're obviously allowed to complain/change your mind :D
Yeah Im just waiting on the resolution, then I'll decide on what to do with the GMK GBs I'm already in. And what to do with 8 faulty spacebars, do I risk DIY fix or recycle it as trash.
Since you have pointed GMK to this thread, I'll share my experience with QC and how they were handled.
By Keycreative for KAT Milkshake:
BIIP immediately contacted Keycreative through Zfrontier and replacements have been promised. I'm talked to Alex from Zf as well. They were glad to know the issues and are working to resolve it.
By Drop on MT3 Serika:
I do not have my set yet(it's with a friend), but Drop has confirmed to have provided replacement spacebars for MT3 Serika, including one that was received by Taeha on stream.
Edit: @Janglad, do you personally find the QC on point and accept the warped/faulty spacebars? Or are you searching for OG cherry spacebars that are warped to defend it? Just so we can understand your standards to make realistic expectations regarding this GB and your future GBs. Especially your take on the spacebars. This way both we and GMK can get a clear understanding of your thought process.
I'm personally not ok with rattly spacebars that banana, and I bought GMK expecting it could make straight spacebars. Given it's abs and cheap Chinese OEMs can manage straight spacebars.
Geez man. Please take a break.
Keep in mind this is the weekend. GMK is not going to have support staff on hand 24/7 to chat about spacebars. That's not how it works.
I know you said this is your first GB, so please calm down.
Keep in mind that doing GBs like this is only about 1/3 of GMK's business. Their core business is still making keycaps for industrial and commercial use where people aren't measuring keycaps with macro lenses.
LOL. Mercy for the newbie.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sun, 28 June 2020, 14:58:19
He said, as of right now, he only has 3 tickets so he doesn't think the issue is widespread.
Personally, I'm fine with my caps, but just FYI for those that are unhappy.
Post by: ackzot on Sun, 28 June 2020, 15:31:25
Per Dixie on discord, if you have an issue with your set, you need to file a ticket so he can collect information.
He said, as of right now, he only has 3 tickets so he doesn't think the issue is widespread.
Personally, I'm fine with my caps, but just FYI for those that are unhappy.
Thanks for the info. Just to confirm, none of your 9009 space bars are warped? I am curious as no one has mentioned having non-warped space bars either.
Post by: Sun on Sun, 28 June 2020, 16:40:05
What I don't understand are the people coming in here making fun of the concerns and suggesting they are trivial. If you are happy with your product that's great. Let Janglad know and maybe post your boards and caps. It is indeed a great set to have.
In the end, being critical of the caps will only help with better quality products and customer service for future hobbyists. Dixie Mech is a business. They are trying to make a profit. They aren't just in it for fun. It is okay to push for some accountability.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 29 June 2020, 01:52:47
My thoughts: people are blowing this out of proportion. The "defects" have always been there and are just being brought to attention now. This is good info for GMK to follow up on, but not something to be absolutely furious about.
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Edit: This is re legend issues; I'm not saying that warped spacebars are okay.
Post by: westway on Mon, 29 June 2020, 02:29:27
Edit: damn, my photos came out rotated...
Post by: PotatoTM on Mon, 29 June 2020, 02:56:46
Post by: Randalljai on Mon, 29 June 2020, 03:11:53
Per Dixie on discord, if you have an issue with your set, you need to file a ticket so he can collect information.
He said, as of right now, he only has 3 tickets so he doesn't think the issue is widespread.
Personally, I'm fine with my caps, but just FYI for those that are unhappy.
Thanks for the info. Just to confirm, none of your 9009 space bars are warped? I am curious as no one has mentioned having non-warped space bars either.
My spacebars look okay. Placed them on a table and it sat flush against the table. Is there another way to check?
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:04:23
Per Dixie on discord, if you have an issue with your set, you need to file a ticket so he can collect information.
He said, as of right now, he only has 3 tickets so he doesn't think the issue is widespread.
Personally, I'm fine with my caps, but just FYI for those that are unhappy.
Thanks for the info. Just to confirm, none of your 9009 space bars are warped? I am curious as no one has mentioned having non-warped space bars either.
My spacebars look okay. Placed them on a table and it sat flush against the table. Is there another way to check?
If it's sitting flush then congrats, it's not warped, I think the only spacebars that some were saying were warped were the ones from the spacebar add on kit.
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:10:11
Per Dixie on discord, if you have an issue with your set, you need to file a ticket so he can collect information.
He said, as of right now, he only has 3 tickets so he doesn't think the issue is widespread.
Personally, I'm fine with my caps, but just FYI for those that are unhappy.
Thanks for the info. Just to confirm, none of your 9009 space bars are warped? I am curious as no one has mentioned having non-warped space bars either.
My spacebars look okay. Placed them on a table and it sat flush against the table. Is there another way to check?
If it's sitting flush then congrats, it's not warped, I think the only spacebars that some were saying were warped were the ones from the spacebar add on kit.
No, my base kit bars are definitely warped too and others in this thread are reporting the same.
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:19:23
The important part is whether functionality is affected, and it's probably easier to say that warping = dysfunction before attempting a test to see how varying degrees of warping (and for which length of spacebars, specifically) correlate to change in vertical travel.
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:46:04
The spacebars may show up with a little warping but may actually be fine once mounted; I'd personally recommend going beyond the "put on a flat surface" test and actually trying to put them on a switch+stabilizer on a board and seeing how the travel compares relative to what you consider a 'normal' and functional spacebar.
The important part is whether functionality is affected, and it's probably easier to say that warping = dysfunction before attempting a test to see how varying degrees of warping (and for which length of spacebars, specifically) correlate to change in vertical travel.
My 6.25u definitely rattles and bananas vs a cheap ABS which is actually straight. Makes me wanna use that cheap ABS over this warped one. And a bad spacebar can definitely ruin a good board, hence the lubing the stabs is such an important part. Imagine your typing tests with a rattly spacebars.
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:44:54
The spacebars may show up with a little warping but may actually be fine once mounted; I'd personally recommend going beyond the "put on a flat surface" test and actually trying to put them on a switch+stabilizer on a board and seeing how the travel compares relative to what you consider a 'normal' and functional spacebar.
The important part is whether functionality is affected, and it's probably easier to say that warping = dysfunction before attempting a test to see how varying degrees of warping (and for which length of spacebars, specifically) correlate to change in vertical travel.
I'm sorry, but "functional" should be the minimum requirement when buying a luxury product, lol. I didn't front $150 and wait months for them to just be good enough. A huge reason I buy GMK over pbt is for the straight space bars, and these came warped.
Fwiw, I tried heating one of my 6us in hot water and putting a weight on it to flatten it out. It seemed to help a bit. Maybe. But it was still warped when it cooled down.
Post by: bobgr8 on Mon, 29 June 2020, 14:14:39
The spacebars may show up with a little warping but may actually be fine once mounted; I'd personally recommend going beyond the "put on a flat surface" test and actually trying to put them on a switch+stabilizer on a board and seeing how the travel compares relative to what you consider a 'normal' and functional spacebar.
The important part is whether functionality is affected, and it's probably easier to say that warping = dysfunction before attempting a test to see how varying degrees of warping (and for which length of spacebars, specifically) correlate to change in vertical travel.
I'm sorry, but "functional" should be the minimum requirement when buying a luxury product, lol. I didn't front $150 and wait months for them to just be good enough. A huge reason I buy GMK over pbt is for the straight space bars, and these came warped.
Fwiw, I tried heating one of my 6us in hot water and putting a weight on it to flatten it out. It seemed to help a bit. Maybe. But it was still warped when it cooled down.
Furthermore, I would like to add not all of us are capable or willing to correct a warped spacebar. Nor should it be expected from us.
Which is why I'm asking for Janglad's opinion, and what is he communicating with GMK. If he thinks the bent GMK spacebars isn't an issue, I can move on and manage my expectations. The lack of clear communication is the problem. No one told us we had to file a ticked with dixie. Then dixie says on his discord only 3 people filed a ticked, hence the issue isn't widespread.
Further, other runner like Emir and Enjoy were pretty clear that the QC on GMK's side was unacceptable for their designs. But here is his comment from Keebtalk: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/gmk-quality-control/9353/4
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The spacebar issue is harder to confirm since not many people have unused spacebars from years back but people have confirmed them also having it on sets like BoW [.....] Considering the legends always were that way and people are just now picking up it’s likely this is the case for the spacebars too
This isn't inspiring confidence. I'm sure GMK has made straight spacebars in the past.
Going up a few posts (if Janglad would have read it, or deliberately ignored it), there are straight ABS spacebars in existence from GMK, Another user has posted it on this very thread. Regarding WoB spacebars, drop straight up refunded. I don't think that is a viable solution, but drop did what drop did for its' customers.
Maybe Janglad is still hunting for an OG cherry set with warped spacebar. lol. Is it unreasonable to expect a reply like "Yes the spacebars are ****ed and I will talk to GMK about it". But we got "we are at the grace of GMK".
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 29 June 2020, 17:14:51
My Scroll key is a little weird like you can see in my earlier picture. But for $99 this set was a good deal and I'm quite happy with it. It's not OG, but GMK never has been.
Post by: 1391401 on Mon, 29 June 2020, 20:23:32
Post by: Randalljai on Tue, 30 June 2020, 00:01:19
Honestly the new egg carton key cap holder is the worst part of the set. Mine is already cracked and getting the keys to lay flat is a chore.
This. Thought it was neat, but meh.
Post by: beadlock on Tue, 30 June 2020, 09:52:46
The spacebars may show up with a little warping but may actually be fine once mounted; I'd personally recommend going beyond the "put on a flat surface" test and actually trying to put them on a switch+stabilizer on a board and seeing how the travel compares relative to what you consider a 'normal' and functional spacebar.
The important part is whether functionality is affected, and it's probably easier to say that warping = dysfunction before attempting a test to see how varying degrees of warping (and for which length of spacebars, specifically) correlate to change in vertical travel.
I'm sorry, but "functional" should be the minimum requirement when buying a luxury product, lol. I didn't front $150 and wait months for them to just be good enough. A huge reason I buy GMK over pbt is for the straight space bars, and these came warped.
Fwiw, I tried heating one of my 6us in hot water and putting a weight on it to flatten it out. It seemed to help a bit. Maybe. But it was still warped when it cooled down.
Furthermore, I would like to add not all of us are capable or willing to correct a warped spacebar. Nor should it be expected from us.
Which is why I'm asking for Janglad's opinion, and what is he communicating with GMK. If he thinks the bent GMK spacebars isn't an issue, I can move on and manage my expectations. The lack of clear communication is the problem. No one told us we had to file a ticked with dixie. Then dixie says on his discord only 3 people filed a ticked, hence the issue isn't widespread.
Further, other runner like Emir and Enjoy were pretty clear that the QC on GMK's side was unacceptable for their designs. But here is his comment from Keebtalk: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/gmk-quality-control/9353/4QuoteThe spacebar issue is harder to confirm since not many people have unused spacebars from years back but people have confirmed them also having it on sets like BoW [.....] Considering the legends always were that way and people are just now picking up it’s likely this is the case for the spacebars too
This isn't inspiring confidence. I'm sure GMK has made straight spacebars in the past.
Going up a few posts (if Janglad would have read it, or deliberately ignored it), there are straight ABS spacebars in existence from GMK, Another user has posted it on this very thread. Regarding WoB spacebars, drop straight up refunded. I don't think that is a viable solution, but drop did what drop did for its' customers.
Maybe Janglad is still hunting for an OG cherry set with warped spacebar. lol. Is it unreasonable to expect a reply like "Yes the spacebars are ****ed and I will talk to GMK about it". But we got "we are at the grace of GMK".
This is your first GMK set and you have started a brigade on multiple discord servers, here on geekhack and now adding keebtalk? If you have an issue with ANY product you buy, you go to the customer service of WHO sold it to you. Not outright flaming them on social media. I understand your frustration, but your continued messages like this (“if Janglad would have read it, or deliberately ignored it“) are not helping anyone’s case.
You were told to wait for a official statement from GMK but have spent the last few days going off his this was janglad and dixies fault. GMK has been contacted and we (the community) are waiting for them to....hold on....evaluate production and find a possible answer. Chill, take a breather, life won’t stop because you have a bent spacebar.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 30 June 2020, 10:04:51
The colours look spot on, so far. I haven't opened the base kit, and everything is sealed.
Numbers [NumPad] generally look clean. The LED "Scroll" legend isn't bent.
The "End" key legend may be a bit crooked. I'm enclosing some photos of the visible keycaps, below.
END KEY
(https://i.imgur.com/gJdvrPH.jpg)
A similar image: https://i.imgur.com/j1GQ2xo.jpg
NUMPAD
(https://i.imgur.com/GldwefZ.jpg)
A similar image: https://i.imgur.com/iyGgDGC.jpg
SCROLL LOCK [LED] Pad-Printed?
(https://i.imgur.com/yOPJdw1.jpg)
A similar image: https://i.imgur.com/BhhfITl.jpg
Haven't opened / tested the spacebars yet.
Post by: hkiri on Tue, 30 June 2020, 11:05:08
The LED "Scroll" legend isn't bent.
Because it's pad printed instead of double shot.
Post by: bobgr8 on Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:37:27
You were told to wait for a official statement from GMK
Hey, I went through the entire thread, and read each and every of Janglad's comments. could you please point out where he's asked us to wait on GMK's official statement?
Also I would like to add, he didn't inform us that he had pointed GMK to this thread, Until this comment came out of the blue.:
GMK simply hasn't said anything yet (they were sent this thread and said they'll look into it on Monday)
I am certainly not the only one who has noticed it. The above comment came after this comment:
Those were a whole lot of accusations.
I don't think anything I've said was off-based. You've posted 14 times since this issue has been brought up and none of them mention relaying the information to GMK. None of them even acknowledges the problem with warped space bars. Take a look at how EnjoyMyInsec initially addressed the wavez esc key or how Emir addressed the wob/bow extension kit and compare it to your initial post. "I think at the end of the day we're at the grace of GMK" doesn't instill too much confidence in the gb member.
Further I would also like to add, he still hasn't acknowledged the warped spacebars as an issue.
Like where? I still do not see a comment, like "Yes the spacebars are an issue."
...but your continued messages like this (“if Janglad would have read it, or deliberately ignored it“) are not helping anyone’s case.
What else am I supposed to do? Please let me know. Dixie responded on keebtalk, but not here. Janglad's says we are at the mercy of GMK. He's unlikely to help us get a resolution, unlike other designers who clearly called out poor QC.
Further, I believe future GB entrants would like to know how 9009 was handled, lest their dixie GBs run into similar issue. This is a Gb where the neither the designer nor the vendor has accepted the issues. The designer hasn't once said this QC by GMK is unacceptable. Either they value their relationship with GMK a lot more than they value our continued support, or their standards are too low.
I also do not think expecting straight spacebars is a high expectation, getting 8 warped spacebars certainly isn't inspiring any confidence in GMK.
Again there's not hate on GMK or Dixie, or Janglad as individuals, just their professional behaviour has left me wanting. And obviously not blaming Janglad or dixie for the moulding or warping issue. But I do expect them to help us get straight spacebars. Let me repeat, dixie and Janglad are not at fault for GMK's QC. But they certainly are at fault for their reluctance to call out the issues and poor communications.
If you still think I'm in the wrong here, lemme know, I'm all ears. This is my first GB, but this is also the first GB with warped spacebars as a major issue. And hey, everybody starts somewhere!
Post by: superuser41 on Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:51:03
I have acknowledged the warped spacebars. I just don't know yet what causes them, have not heard back yet from GMK and I'm not going to make false promises. Same with the PSA. And yes that is obvious, GMK needs to change their production process for this to not have the same outcome. In other words they need to consider it out of tolerances so they do have the final say. Obviously doesn't mean we can't push them. [snip]
Post by: bobgr8 on Tue, 30 June 2020, 13:00:13
I have acknowledged the warped spacebars. I just don't know yet what causes them, have not heard back yet from GMK and I'm not going to make false promises. Same with the PSA. And yes that is obvious, GMK needs to change their production process for this to not have the same outcome. In other words they need to consider it out of tolerances so they do have the final say. Obviously doesn't mean we can't push them. [snip]
forgive me if I'm wrong, but
I have acknowledged the warped spacebars
and
I have acknowledged the warped spacebars, and they are an issue, unacceptable to me.
are 2 sentences with very different meanings. There is a difference in acknowledging sometime, and accepting something as unacceptable.
Further, this too came out of the blue, when I pointed out he still hasn't acknowledged the issue.
Those were a whole lot of accusations.
I don't think anything I've said was off-based. You've posted 14 times since this issue has been brought up and none of them mention relaying the information to GMK. None of them even acknowledges the problem with warped space bars. Take a look at how EnjoyMyInsec initially addressed the wavez esc key or how Emir addressed the wob/bow extension kit and compare it to your initial post. "I think at the end of the day we're at the grace of GMK" doesn't instill too much confidence in the gb member.
+1QuoteI don't think I've in any way been reluctantWhile you accepted your renders were faulty, you didn't even acknowledge the warped spacebars. Nor did you relay that you've talked to GMK. Kindly let us know if GMK thinks the warped spacebars are faulty or not. And would we be getting fixed spacebars for the same or not.
I have acknowledged the warped spacebars.
If you find a post predating this one. that is he acknowledged the bent spacebars before my comment, do let me know, I'll correct the above comment. I certainly couldn't find it.
Edit: the point is not to attack Janglad's reluctance, I'm just waiting on the proposed resolution. and I cannot help but say the experience has been frustrating.
Post by: Lufenia on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:15:16
Anyone else's order not shipping from them?
Post by: ackzot on Thu, 02 July 2020, 10:11:43
Since it's taking Ilumkb more than 2 weeks to reply any of my messages, I'll try my luck here.
Anyone else's order not shipping from them?
i dont think anyone here can assist else they would have have responded earlier. you might want to try the discord server and maybe ask in group-buy discussion channel.
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 02:36:42
Since it's taking Ilumkb more than 2 weeks to reply any of my messages, I'll try my luck here.
Anyone else's order not shipping from them?
Is your order via SingPost? SingPost has resumed shipping to my country, but I chose to upgrade to DHL Express for the sake of convenience. If it's SingPost, you gotta wait.
Post by: yap68 on Fri, 03 July 2020, 03:19:50
Post by: bobgr8 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 10:19:39
Fml have 8 warped spacebars from a single set. Never buy a dixie product again. :'(
Post by: chowder266 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 16:08:45
Post by: solomonshv on Tue, 07 July 2020, 20:12:20
HOWEVER,
those space bars are disgusting. the aliexpress kits i bought for $20 have better space bars than that. this isn't an existing issue. i am in 4 GMK GBs and now i'm worried that i will end up with space bars like this. those of you meat shielding and saying, "don't like it don't buy it" don't solve the issue for people who are already hundreds of dollars in on a bunch of sets BEFORE this started.
i was going to buy gmk bread, sumi, bento and a few others, but until i see an explanation and/or resolution to this, i'm taking that advice and not buying anything else.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 07 July 2020, 21:10:53
With the 9009 extras sale announcement and no reply via ticket support. I’m not expecting any resolution at all.
Fml have 8 warped spacebars from a single set. Never buy a dixie product again. :'(
You should full commit and never buy another GMK product again. No Balls, you won't.
Post by: kronograf on Tue, 07 July 2020, 21:37:57
Post by: solomonshv on Tue, 07 July 2020, 22:13:20
With the 9009 extras sale announcement and no reply via ticket support. I’m not expecting any resolution at all.
Fml have 8 warped spacebars from a single set. Never buy a dixie product again. :'(
this is not dixie's fault, nor should they be expected to provide a knee jerk reaction to this issue. they were extraordinary helpful with the 8008 novelties that turned out bad. they will figure it out, just give them time.
You should full commit and never buy another GMK product again. No Balls, you won't.
you're not helping either. and FYI, i'm already committed. i am not buying anymore GMK sets until something changes. was going to buy GMK break, hammerhead and sumi. not anymore. don't need them anyway, already have mizu, WoB and some old cherry sets. if i want bent space bars, ePBT can get it to me for half the price. even razer has space bars figured out. $30 for a 105 double shot key set and the space bars are straight.
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 08 July 2020, 00:29:45
Post by: Extraxyz on Wed, 08 July 2020, 04:51:14
With the 9009 extras sale announcement and no reply via ticket support. I’m not expecting any resolution at all.
Fml have 8 warped spacebars from a single set. Never buy a dixie product again. :'(
this is not dixie's fault, nor should they be expected to provide a knee jerk reaction to this issue. they were extraordinary helpful with the 8008 novelties that turned out bad. they will figure it out, just give them time.
Only because it went viral on Reddit weeks later
Post by: Rexcramer on Wed, 08 July 2020, 07:25:17
Post by: nappis on Wed, 08 July 2020, 07:37:55
I've made my decision: no more GMK for me. It's just not worth it.
Also fixing GMK ABS spacebars with hot water did not work for me. I've fixed PBT spacebars but I don't why same methods didn't work with ABS.
Post by: Rexcramer on Wed, 08 July 2020, 08:35:22
Also fixing GMK ABS spacebars with hot water did not work for me. I've fixed PBT spacebars but I don't why same methods didn't work with ABS.
ABS seems to have a higher HDT (Heat distortion temperature) than PBT. From what I could gather from my intense 10min google search this means that PBT spacebars can be reshaped at lower temps. Might just try some crazy heat on one of my disposable 6u spacebars and see what it does.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 08 July 2020, 09:38:58
Post by: GarrettSucks on Wed, 08 July 2020, 14:02:40
Did everyone who put in a support ticket for Dixie Mech?
Also, go make a post on Reddit. I haven't seen any posts about it.
We are literally talking with GMK. They know the issues. This is not something that is just solved quickly. Especially with time zone differences. We would appreciate some patience. We cannot do anything without GMK on this.
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 08 July 2020, 14:17:06
Did everyone who put in a support ticket for Dixie Mech?
Also, go make a post on Reddit. I haven't seen any posts about it.
this might be one of the smallest brane comments i've seen in a while. things take time. they are not instant, although i am sure you (and lots of others) would love them to be.
Post by: solomonshv on Thu, 09 July 2020, 00:09:27
Also fixing GMK ABS spacebars with hot water did not work for me. I've fixed PBT spacebars but I don't why same methods didn't work with ABS.
ABS seems to have a higher HDT (Heat distortion temperature) than PBT. From what I could gather from my intense 10min google search this means that PBT spacebars can be reshaped at lower temps. Might just try some crazy heat on one of my disposable 6u spacebars and see what it does.
after reading your post, i went to look at the discussion on drop oblivion r2. i see a bunch of people with pics of messed up space bars. but none of the oblivion space bars seem as bad as what i saw for 9009 though. i wish i had seen the discussion about oblivion sooner. unfortunately i'm already in for $600 worth of GMK sets and novelties. f***. i have mizu with the space bar kit as well as GMK WoB, all the space bars are perfect. hopefully this can get fixed.
Post by: tommyhongg on Thu, 09 July 2020, 01:59:41
Smh ...
Post by: Emir on Thu, 09 July 2020, 03:38:49
Did everyone who put in a support ticket for Dixie Mech?
Also, go make a post on Reddit. I haven't seen any posts about it.
this might be one of the smallest brane comments i've seen in a while. things take time. they are not instant, although i am sure you (and lots of others) would love them to be.
It might seem like a smol brain comment, but then you look at how dixie handled issues in the past.
8008 wasn't adressed until there was a reddit post, and even then he cited "NO TICKETS ON MY WEBSITE!!! ITS NOT A PROBLEM". As if that wasn't bad enough, he went on to say "it's only 250 orders! you make it seem like it's a thousand!", as if 250 orders is a small irrelevant number. :D
As for 9009, Janglad has adressed the problems and relayed that they're in talks with GMK. Sit tight and wait now, keep posting images if you have problems and ugh, open a ticket with dixiemech because quote from page 7 "He said, as of right now, he only has 3 tickets so he doesn't think the issue is widespread." :D
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 09 July 2020, 06:57:53
Then immediately people insulted the OP, and he had to delete the post. ( it currently reads "." )
Post by: nappis on Thu, 09 July 2020, 08:03:54
Waaa Waaa Waaa, we want a fix NOW, Waaa Waaa WaaaWhat the hell are you talking about. It's not like GB participants don't have patience. People waited 9 months to receive broken products. Should we wait 9 months more to get what they actually paid for?
Smh ...
Post by: tommyhongg on Thu, 09 July 2020, 14:35:32
Waaa Waaa Waaa, we want a fix NOW, Waaa Waaa WaaaWhat the hell are you talking about. It's not like GB participants don't have patience. People waited 9 months to receive broken products. Should we wait 9 months more to get what they actually paid for?
Smh ...
But fixing it takes time, no? They can't magically make stuff appear. I was also relating to the post saying ppl should go on Reddit and make posts regarding the issue. Why not wait until you get a response from the vendor and GMK? It's not like they want their customers to be angry.
Post by: janglad on Sat, 11 July 2020, 12:09:45
Mod edit for context: Removed a few off-topic posts at the request of the poster, which prompted this response from janglad.
Janglad edit: FYI I didn't report/ask for any posts to be removed, not sure who mods mean with the poster
Post by: hkiri on Thu, 16 July 2020, 14:59:26
Quote from: Dixie Newsletter (10th July 2020)
We are processing and shipping extra orders this week and early next week. The spacebar warping issues are nearing a resolution with GMK. We hope to have our official plan next week for everyone effected.
Post by: janglad on Thu, 16 July 2020, 15:01:45
Any official news?Quote from: Dixie Newsletter (10th July 2020)We are processing and shipping extra orders this week and early next week. The spacebar warping issues are nearing a resolution with GMK. We hope to have our official plan next week for everyone effected.
Talks with GMK about this are ongoing. We're still working out some of the final details and are waiting with posting until that's done to prevent confusion amongst buyers. Hopefully we'll have all news public in the next few days since their next reply should have all info we need.
Post by: wil on Fri, 17 July 2020, 08:45:00
Post by: Lyfe on Wed, 22 July 2020, 00:41:22
It's really for the community by the community but seems like vendors and designers are on their own planet now.
Post by: ackzot on Wed, 22 July 2020, 13:39:48
Post by: tonyjones on Wed, 22 July 2020, 13:57:35
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 22 July 2020, 15:54:22
Post by: Martakia on Wed, 22 July 2020, 20:43:57
Post by: ackzot on Wed, 29 July 2020, 10:32:52
Talks with GMK about this are ongoing. We're still working out some of the final details and are waiting with posting until that's done to prevent confusion amongst buyers. Hopefully we'll have all news public in the next few days since their next reply should have all info we need.
Any chance of an update since its been over a week? thank you for your efforts on this.
Post by: janglad on Wed, 29 July 2020, 13:52:09
Still no final info, sorry about this taking a while. I’ll post to this thread as soon as we know everything needed!
Talks with GMK about this are ongoing. We're still working out some of the final details and are waiting with posting until that's done to prevent confusion amongst buyers. Hopefully we'll have all news public in the next few days since their next reply should have all info we need.
Any chance of an update since its been over a week? thank you for your efforts on this.
Post by: ZyBeR on Tue, 04 August 2020, 03:52:26
(I purchased through mykeyboard.eu)
Post by: sJ1N on Tue, 04 August 2020, 08:56:19
I just opened my set and was also affected by these issues, do I need to open a support case or can I just wait for a solution that covers everyone?
(I purchased through mykeyboard.eu)
Wondering about this too. Since it seems to be a more or less wide spread issue i'd hope there wasn't a timeframe in which we had to report issues to be eligible for replacements or something.
Post by: metheon on Sun, 09 August 2020, 02:37:17
These are the worst offenders, I can live with the rest. https://imgur.com/gallery/pqGlTDv
Post by: bobgr8 on Sun, 09 August 2020, 05:00:26
Addendum: In b4 “iT’s AlWaYs BeEn ThIs WaY”
Post by: kiyoboard on Sun, 09 August 2020, 13:09:01
David from mykeeb asked me to post here.
These are the worst offenders, I can live with the rest. https://imgur.com/gallery/pqGlTDv
Can't talk about all the issues here but issue with 'Z' has always been there. I remember seeing it mentioned in older keycap sets and even with the GMK Oblivion I am using now, I can see the issue clearly.
(https://i.imgur.com/zrj4AaX.jpg)
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sun, 09 August 2020, 13:32:26
Post by: hkiri on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:44:45
Still no final info, sorry about this taking a while. I’ll post to this thread as soon as we know everything needed!
Does the official GMK statement take so long because literally every new set has the exact same spacebar issues?
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:59:48
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:34:24
David from mykeeb asked me to post here.
These are the worst offenders, I can live with the rest. https://imgur.com/gallery/pqGlTDv
On my 9009 R2
Alt Gr is the same
Esc is the same
Insert is the same
Home is the same
T is the same
Scroll lock is the same (not the same legend, this one is Scroll Lock)
Z is the same
On my OG Doubleshots (exact age unknown but 10+ years old)
Alt drops to the right
Esc drops to the right
Insert drops to the right
Scroll lock looks the same as 9009 R2
F12 drops to the right (a lot of the F row does actually)
Z drops to the right
9009 R2 is 1+ years older than R3 and the OG doubleshots are much older. I do not believe these legend discrepancies you've documented are new. It's likely just "how the molds and legends are".
Post by: ZyBeR on Mon, 17 August 2020, 05:17:05
Post by: Domantas on Tue, 18 August 2020, 20:32:21
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:22:09
David from mykeeb asked me to post here.
These are the worst offenders, I can live with the rest. https://imgur.com/gallery/pqGlTDv (https://imgur.com/gallery/pqGlTDv)
On my 9009 R2
Alt Gr is the same
Esc is the same
Insert is the same
Home is the same
T is the same
Scroll lock is the same (not the same legend, this one is Scroll Lock)
Z is the same
On my OG Doubleshots (exact age unknown but 10+ years old)
Alt drops to the right
Esc drops to the right
Insert drops to the right
Scroll lock looks the same as 9009 R2
F12 drops to the right (a lot of the F row does actually)
Z drops to the right
9009 R2 is 1+ years older than R3 and the OG doubleshots are much older. I do not believe these legend discrepancies you've documented are new. It's likely just "how the molds and legends are".
It seems that GMK's molding machine operators and set up technicians drooped the ball.
Post by: ZyBeR on Thu, 20 August 2020, 01:29:03
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Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 20 August 2020, 17:34:33
25th June Warped Spacebars reported
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0vLPi3i.jpg)
01/07/2020https://dixiemech.com/news/7-1-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/7-1-2020)
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All groupbuy orders have been shipped besides the countries who have suspended mail services. If you are in one of these countries, please contact us if you would like to change to DHL Express shipping.
10.07.2020 https://dixiemech.com/news/7-10-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/7-10-2020)
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We are processing and shipping extra orders this week and early next week. The spacebar warping issues are nearing a resolution with GMK. We hope to have our official plan next week for everyone affected.
17.7.2020https://dixiemech.com/news/7-17-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/7-17-2020)
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We were expecting the spacebar warping issues to have a plan of resolution with GMK by now, but we are still waiting on a reply from our last email.
24.7.2020https://dixiemech.com/news/7-24-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/7-24-2020)
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We are still trying to agree on the path we need to take for the resolution on the defective caps.
31.7.2020https://dixiemech.com/news/7-31-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/7-31-2020)
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We’ve gone 1 week with no response from GMK. We are staying persistant in trying to come to a solution.
7.8.2020https://dixiemech.com/news/8-7-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/8-7-2020)
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GMK said they are going back to their QC department to discuss again.
14.8.2020 https://dixiemech.com/news/8-14-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/8-14-2020)
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We have yet to receive a follow up on this after many requests. We will continue to pursue this.
21.8.2020https://dixiemech.com/news/8-21-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/8-21-2020)
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We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress.
28.8.2020 https://dixiemech.com/news/8-28-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/8-28-2020)
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We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress.
4.9.2020 https://dixiemech.com/news/9-4-2020 (https://dixiemech.com/news/9-4-2020)
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We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress.
Post by: 002_GT on Thu, 20 August 2020, 18:00:29
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 21 August 2020, 13:25:16
Quote
GMK 9009 Round 3 *
Extras Shipped
We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress.
Post by: bobgr8 on Fri, 21 August 2020, 13:33:02
QuoteGMK 9009 Round 3 *
Extras Shipped
We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress.
Any word on replacement, to make the those were affected whole again?
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 21 August 2020, 14:08:45
Post by: ackzot on Fri, 21 August 2020, 18:03:01
QuoteGMK 9009 Round 3 *
Extras Shipped
We have been told that GMK is working on a spec sheet for us. Finally some progress.
thanks for sharing the info from dixie's website. at least there will be a spec sheet. but I suspect that all current releases will be considered in-spec so my expectations are tempered. after all, if the replacements are warped space bars as well, it makes it moot to offer replacements. but maybe i will be pleasantly surprised?
doesn't seem to be hurting gmk, as there are many sets in group buy with several of them doing very well.
Post by: Dafraz117 on Sun, 23 August 2020, 21:18:25
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Post by: DukeEsquire on Sun, 23 August 2020, 21:25:24
I’ve been looking to buy a sealed set of gmk 9009 on mechmarket. If I did, would solutions be provided if I open the kit and find issues? Or will this only be provided for people who are direct buyers? Should I ask for a forwarded email confirmation from the seller?
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I'm sure it depends on the vendor, but I would guess that if there is a remedy, you would need to coordinate with the direct buyer.
Otherwise, there would be no way for a vendor to verify if you actually purchased the kit from them.
Post by: Dafraz117 on Sun, 23 August 2020, 21:58:43
Yea it’s unfortunate most sets of 9009 are being sold sealed rn on mechmarket. Therefore buying becomes tricky.I’ve been looking to buy a sealed set of gmk 9009 on mechmarket. If I did, would solutions be provided if I open the kit and find issues? Or will this only be provided for people who are direct buyers? Should I ask for a forwarded email confirmation from the seller?
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I'm sure it depends on the vendor, but I would guess that if there is a remedy, you would need to coordinate with the direct buyer.
Otherwise, there would be no way for a vendor to verify if you actually purchased the kit from them.
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Post by: Domantas on Wed, 26 August 2020, 16:39:34
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 11:42:57
Posting all my 8 warped bars
(https://i.imgur.com/aE3PJD0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zzdxwtY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PscIQKv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VYQZx0h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)
Post by: pngu on Thu, 27 August 2020, 11:54:53
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped barsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aE3PJD0.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zzdxwtY.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PscIQKv.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VYQZx0h.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pOI9RhE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2hdwbuS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Zybj1RY.jpg)
Post by: 3ambutter on Thu, 27 August 2020, 11:55:40
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped bars
Thank you for your pictures. Anybody who believes this is par for the course and would be happy to receive this spacebar kit should speak up
Post by: hamilton on Thu, 27 August 2020, 15:13:19
Post by: nug on Thu, 27 August 2020, 18:42:37
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped barsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aE3PJD0.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zzdxwtY.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PscIQKv.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VYQZx0h.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)
Can you post photos of them flat on a hard surface without you pressing down on one side? Thanks
Post by: leexy on Thu, 27 August 2020, 20:50:47
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped bars
Can you post photos of them flat on a hard surface without you pressing down on one side? Thanks
no way, that would not fit the narrative he's pushing
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 27 August 2020, 21:51:19
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pOI9RhE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2hdwbuS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Zybj1RY.jpg)
This is an outrage
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 27 August 2020, 22:44:10
I know, look how that cup bent that space bar... that's just too much.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pOI9RhE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2hdwbuS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Zybj1RY.jpg)
This is an outrage
(I have vintage boards with perfectly straight 10u and 8u bars, but the 7u tooling seems like it's had problems for a while)
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 22:46:41
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped barsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aE3PJD0.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zzdxwtY.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPRep5z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PscIQKv.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VYQZx0h.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GAbVwNk.jpg)
Can you post photos of them flat on a hard surface without you pressing down on one side? Thanks
Here is the 6.25u I have mounted right now
(https://i.imgur.com/8XY8f3x.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped bars
Can you post photos of them flat on a hard surface without you pressing down on one side? Thanks
no way, that would not fit the narrative he's pushing
Google narrative vs facts. No wonder there's fake news in the world! Meanwhile check out Cafe's bars: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102580.msg2934365#msg2934365
First Love's bars: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102261.msg2926147#msg2926147
In GMK_Delta (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/634768403269287970/735551957942534294/image0.png?width=1450&height=1088)
I don't see any comments on these threads for "pUshinG a NArrAtIVe", go comment there also na.
Post by: bobgr8 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 23:08:55
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped bars
Thank you for your pictures. Anybody who believes this is par for the course and would be happy to receive this spacebar kit should speak up
And replace your bars with mine!
Post by: olsen34 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 23:38:51
https://imgur.com/a/p3NJpl5
Posting all my 8 warped bars
Can you post photos of them flat on a hard surface without you pressing down on one side? Thanks
no way, that would not fit the narrative he's pushing
Wow, funniest comment I've seen this week :))
Post by: ossetepo on Fri, 28 August 2020, 10:38:35
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 07 September 2020, 09:10:18
(https://i.redd.it/hc7qj54zeql51.jpg)
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 07 September 2020, 09:56:55
I guess we should be thankful it was just warped spacebars. Here's someone's recent GMK First Love:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/hc7qj54zeql51.jpg)
Don't show this to the GMK apologists. It might give them an aneurysm. But hey, everything's fine and this is totally normal and "functional"
/s
Post by: of_sam on Mon, 07 September 2020, 21:12:13
You should probably do more research into that situationI guess we should be thankful it was just warped spacebars. Here's someone's recent GMK First Love:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/hc7qj54zeql51.jpg)
Don't show this to the GMK apologists. It might give them an aneurysm. But hey, everything's fine and this is totally normal and "functional"
/s
Post by: bobgr8 on Tue, 08 September 2020, 00:05:15
I guess we should be thankful it was just warped spacebars. Here's someone's recent GMK First Love:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/hc7qj54zeql51.jpg)
Don't show this to the GMK apologists. It might give them an aneurysm. But hey, everything's fine and this is totally normal and "functional"
/s
Choose your vendors carefully. Here is the vendors's comment which aren't confidence inspiring, certainly not a passionate one.
(https://i.imgur.com/xjAwix2.png)
And some of the replies of GMK fanbois are hilarious! "GMK always has been ****ty so it must remain ****ty. GMK has warped spacebars before so therefore they must continue." Not to mention the abysmal communication from them. Again not blaming the vendors for GMK's QC, but expected some support from the vendors.
Post by: soer9459 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:13:35
Post by: lys.nordique on Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:43:18
Does anyone know if there will be extras for this set? I don't mind a little warp or uneven legends
They were available on july 7. :/
Post by: soer9459 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 11:01:48
Does anyone know if there will be extras for this set? I don't mind a little warp or uneven legends
They were available on july 7. :/
Damn, how the hell did I miss that ..... Anyway, thanks
Post by: GarrettSucks on Fri, 25 September 2020, 12:24:33
If you have spacebars from the GMK 9009 R3 groupbuy / extras that have excessive warping, making the spacebars unusable, you may submit this form for GMK to review to see if you are eligible for replacements. Submitting does not guarantee all or any of your spacebars will be replaced. GMK will judge each submission and determine which complaints are justified for a replacement.
If you have submitted a support ticket to us with photos, please resubmit them through this form. GMK needs the data submitted in a certain format. Also please make sure your previous photos follow the guidelines in this form.
This form is only for customers who purchased directly from the storefronts listed below. If you purchased this set on the aftermarket or from any other storefront, you are not eligible for replacement because there is no way for us to fully verify the order information.
We (Dixie Mech, MKB.eu, Daily Clack, and iLumKB) will not be making the decision.
This form will be open for two weeks to allow everyone time to take their photos and submit the form. After GMK reviews all the submissions, we will notify each customer whether you were approved or denied for replacements. GMK will then produce and ship the vendors the replacements and we will work on sending each approved order their replacements.
Thank you everyone for your patience on this issue.
THIS FORM IS ACCEPTING RESPONSES UNTIL 11:59PM CENTRAL TIME, OCTOBER 11TH, 2020.
VIEW FORM (https://forms.gle/AGeJPrC4ZJd9d6518)
Post by: Domantas on Sat, 26 September 2020, 06:36:57
ACCEPTING WARPED SPACEBAR REPLACEMENT PHOTOS TO SEND TO GMK
If you have spacebars from the GMK 9009 R3 groupbuy / extras that have excessive warping, making the spacebars unusable, you may submit this form for GMK to review to see if you are eligible for replacements. Submitting does not guarantee all or any of your spacebars will be replaced. GMK will judge each submission and determine which complaints are justified for a replacement.
If you have submitted a support ticket to us with photos, please resubmit them through this form. GMK needs the data submitted in a certain format. Also please make sure your previous photos follow the guidelines in this form.
This form is only for customers who purchased directly from the storefronts listed below. If you purchased this set on the aftermarket or from any other storefront, you are not eligible for replacement because there is no way for us to fully verify the order information.
We (Dixie Mech, MKB.eu, Daily Clack, and iLumKB) will not be making the decision.
This form will be open for two weeks to allow everyone time to take their photos and submit the form. After GMK reviews all the submissions, we will notify each customer whether you were approved or denied for replacements. GMK will then produce and ship the vendors the replacements and we will work on sending each approved order their replacements.
Thank you everyone for your patience on this issue.
THIS FORM IS ACCEPTING RESPONSES UNTIL 11:59PM CENTRAL TIME, OCTOBER 11TH, 2020.
VIEW FORM (https://forms.gle/AGeJPrC4ZJd9d6518)
Hi, Dixie, nice, but what about cafe and olivia++ spacebars? Of course you didn't run those, but maybe heard something from GMK, because they all three seems from same "batch"
Post by: kolashnikov on Sat, 26 September 2020, 09:33:27
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Post by: janglad on Sun, 27 September 2020, 04:03:14
Filled out the form for all my 7u bars and an off-center 6u. They are definitely more warped than a 7u space from GMK carbon R1 but we will see if GMK thinks they are off-spec.
(Attachment Link)
Just to make sure: you didn't submit that pic in the form right :) Cause it breaks quite a few rules of what GMK needs haha (pressing on the spacebar, multiple bars in one image, not labelled).
Post by: PotatoTM on Mon, 28 September 2020, 02:56:49
Post by: kolashnikov on Mon, 28 September 2020, 04:14:46
Filled out the form for all my 7u bars and an off-center 6u. They are definitely more warped than a 7u space from GMK carbon R1 but we will see if GMK thinks they are off-spec.
(Attachment Link)
Just to make sure: you didn't submit that pic in the form right :) Cause it breaks quite a few rules of what GMK needs haha (pressing on the spacebar, multiple bars in one image, not labelled).
Nope, that pic was special just for us :thumb:. It seems like GMK expects some amount of warp that is tolerable, so I was curious how 9009 R3 compared to older sets.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 28 September 2020, 10:44:50
I won't be able to check my set until around mid-December... does that mean il just never be able to get replacements if they do end up being warped?
Why mid-December?
And, yes.
Post by: haydoselefantes on Mon, 28 September 2020, 14:07:32
This makes me less likely to buy GMK sets. Previously, if you were privileged to have cash before the drop, you could buy GMK sets knowing that if they didn't turn out as expected, you could resell it without losing much money. This injects uncertainty and reduces resale value, since a secondary buyer can't request replacements.
Post by: PotatoTM on Wed, 30 September 2020, 03:37:24
I won't be able to check my set until around mid-December... does that mean il just never be able to get replacements if they do end up being warped?
Why mid-December?
And, yes.
I've been moving around so I didn't want to ship it to me and have to deal with having it ship to an old address... so I had it shipped to my brother, we'll only see each other around the holidays and he'll bring the keyset with him so I won't be able to get the keyset until then. He's not familiar with keyboard stuff and I prefer not asking him to QC things for me as he's already doing me a huge favor (feel like this should be on GMK or the vendors), but I guess I have no choice if I don't want to risk having to use warped spacebars (if they're even usable?).
Post by: ZyBeR on Thu, 01 October 2020, 01:38:51
Post by: ideus on Thu, 01 October 2020, 09:29:08
Warped Spacebars is one issue, how about the rest of them? "/?" where is ? is super thin for example?
"That's normal" - GMK. :))
Post by: miaiji on Sun, 29 November 2020, 05:48:42
Post by: bobgr8 on Sat, 30 January 2021, 22:20:37
Is there any update?
Post by: GarrettSucks on Mon, 05 April 2021, 14:01:16
We have sent out $0 invoices to everyone who submitted. This is an opportunity for you to change your address if it has changed since your 9009 order. We will ship out the replacements under these order numbers. Please check your emails. You must push this order through as if it were a regular order. So please do not just ignore the email when you see it.
THIS IS ONLY FOR OMNITYPE ORDERS. We do not dictate how the other regions will handle their replacements.
Only the 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebars were replaced. Not the shorter ones or any other keys.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 05 April 2021, 19:04:51
Post by: HaX on Fri, 23 April 2021, 14:49:11
Post by: soeren on Wed, 29 September 2021, 12:50:59
When is R4?
I am also intersted in R4, if it ever happens.
Post by: vladimir108 on Wed, 29 September 2021, 12:57:17
When is R4?
I am also intersted in R4, if it ever happens.
Same.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 30 September 2021, 15:49:20
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Post by: BasedCoper on Sun, 01 May 2022, 01:23:39
Please make a R4!!!!
Yes.
Post by: stomaha on Sun, 01 May 2022, 08:00:55
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Post by: Fraaaan on Mon, 06 February 2023, 11:55:14
R4 please 🙏
Could've just bought GMK Classic Beige or GMK Hineybeige.
...Unless you really want the accents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Mon, 06 February 2023, 12:22:24
R4 please 🙏
Could've just bought GMK Classic Beige or GMK Hineybeige.
...Unless you really want the accents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I just want normal Beige icon mods :'(
9009 R1 mods are the best. Purse and XBOX icons.
Post by: diorite on Wed, 15 March 2023, 19:17:07
Post by: diorite on Thu, 23 March 2023, 00:56:58
R4 please 🙏
Could've just bought GMK Classic Beige or GMK Hineybeige.
...Unless you really want the accents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The accents are a huge part of the appeal. When shined base sets shipped in bags are going for $200+ there is an obvious draw to this specific iteration of “a basic beige set.” And seemingly a clear indication that it’s time to rerun.
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 23 March 2023, 06:42:19
R4 please 🙏
Could've just bought GMK Classic Beige or GMK Hineybeige.
...Unless you really want the accents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The accents are a huge part of the appeal. When shined base sets shipped in bags are going for $200+ there is an obvious draw to this specific iteration of “a basic beige set.” And seemingly a clear indication that it’s time to rerun.
if you're so appealed by accents you should know they're still available as a child kit for gmk muted 2.
also if they stick to dixie mods and predatory kitting they'd better not ever consider rerunning this set
Post by: diorite on Thu, 23 March 2023, 17:41:00
R4 please 🙏
Could've just bought GMK Classic Beige or GMK Hineybeige.
...Unless you really want the accents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The accents are a huge part of the appeal. When shined base sets shipped in bags are going for $200+ there is an obvious draw to this specific iteration of “a basic beige set.” And seemingly a clear indication that it’s time to rerun.
if you're so appealed by accents you should know they're still available as a child kit for gmk muted 2.
also if they stick to dixie mods and predatory kitting they'd better not ever consider rerunning this set
I’m missing the part where this helps me. The mods are different for classic beige/hineybeige and muted is not a beige set. What do you mean dixie mods? This set has always had icon mods and if you want to compare it to the R1 kit I think you’d be alone in preferring them. Predatory kitting? This base was dirt cheap and included support for most common layouts. Not sure what you’re on about, but do I know you? You seem to be following me across threads making negative and unproductive replies to all my comments.
They’ll almost surely rerun this set eventually. It’s a perennial classic. I’d just like to see it sooner rather than later.
Post by: heyimpanda on Thu, 23 March 2023, 19:11:29
I’m missing the part where this helps me. The mods are different for classic beige/hineybeige and muted is not a beige set. What do you mean dixie mods? This set has always had icon mods and if you want to compare it to the R1 kit I think you’d be alone in preferring them. Predatory kitting? This base was dirt cheap and included support for most common layouts. Not sure what you’re on about, but do I know you? You seem to be following me across threads making negative and unproductive replies to all my comments.
They’ll almost surely rerun this set eventually. It’s a perennial classic. I’d just like to see it sooner rather than later.
Dixie mods is mentioned in the "reworked legends" in the original post. Some people don't like how the icon mods have been shifted. Personally I don't care/notice
The accent kit they are referring to is the 3A & 3C accent kit from Muted 2 - technically the green in 9009 is 3B but it's not off by much (3A is slightly lighter) and the red matches.
I think as far as kitting goes, the reason why some people strongly dislike the TKL-only base kit is that while it's "dirt cheap" if you only need the TKL base kit but usually when you try to compare it to GMK base kits that include numpad, the base + numpad kit here tends to be more expensive. Personally I think it's a bit far to call it 'predatory' but I can see why there are gripes about the way that most janglad sets are kitted.
that being said, yeah if icon mods are a deal breaker then just pray for a R4
Post by: diorite on Thu, 23 March 2023, 21:03:28
Dixie mods is mentioned in the "reworked legends" in the original post. Some people don't like how the icon mods have been shifted. Personally I don't care/notice
The accent kit they are referring to is the 3A & 3C accent kit from Muted 2 - technically the green in 9009 is 3B but it's not off by much (3A is slightly lighter) and the red matches.
I think as far as kitting goes, the reason why some people strongly dislike the TKL-only base kit is that while it's "dirt cheap" if you only need the TKL base kit but usually when you try to compare it to GMK base kits that include numpad, the base + numpad kit here tends to be more expensive. Personally I think it's a bit far to call it 'predatory' but I can see why there are gripes about the way that most janglad sets are kitted.
that being said, yeah if icon mods are a deal breaker then just pray for a R4
My point about the muted kit is that it doesn’t matter if it’s color matched or not. It and 9009 use icon mods and the other available beige sets do not. You can’t rig up 9009 with muted accents and classic/hineybeige because they use different mods. I saw the post about the mods but I don’t think it’s that deep. I’d take them either way to be honest.
About the kitting, I guess its just a difference of opinion about how it should be done but whatever side you’re on calling it “predatory” is absurd. The majority of the hobby are not building full size boards. The majority of keyboard users do not need a numpad on every set they purchase. Why should the majority have to subsidize a niche kit so that the few who need it can get it a little cheaper? I much prefer this trend of excluding numpad support from the base kit. I don’t want to pay an extra 20-30 bucks on every set I buy for coverage that I don’t need. Why do people expect that everyone else should have to pay a premium so that they can save a few bucks? I mean if you look at the numbers on a typical groupbuy where the numpad is split off, more people buy novelties, spacebars, alternate icons, etc. than numpad kits. By your logic shouldn’t we include spacebar kits and novelties into base sets so that its cheaper for the people who want them? Then everyone who joins can pay $175 - $200 per base set. Sounds great.
Post by: Bayeszou on Fri, 11 August 2023, 01:30:45
Post by: Dmitri on Fri, 11 August 2023, 15:50:22
Post by: involuntarysoul on Fri, 11 August 2023, 17:40:02
9009 R1 mods are the best. Purse and XBOX icons.
the purse looks way out of place, i am glad they went with down arrow