For fingertip users or people with small hands, it feels like real degradation of mice is going on. SteelSeries Kinzu is about the maxmimum size fingertip users could use, but alas, it's tracking is unforgivable.
Microsoft mice are too big. Or at least all I know.
Small Logitech mice focus on design and ignore comfort. Not to mention the button quality in those. R.I.P. Logitech Mini Optical...
I wonder if I should buy Razer Salmosa (or something similar to Krait?) or just wait for SS to fix Kinzu or some new mice...
If there was kinzu with Xai sensor, that would be really perfect mouse.
the Razer Abyssus ...., no one really knows the name of the sensor ...
Razer mice like the Razer Viper, Diamondback, Diamondback 3G, Krait, Salmosa, Abyssus, Boomslang CE 2007 don't have on-board memory which is something you want to have.
Aut they tend to make technically better mice always bigger. As if bigger would also mean better.
In fact, in RTS and MMO gaming most serious gamers use fingertip grip. (what Ive gathered from several forums) Its just superior in speed and comfort when you dont have to move your wrist or arm at all. (high DPI)
Allthough I don't have a need for such small mice (but if something really interesting comes out I will take a look) it's a shame that there are not many options.
SS will not fix the Kinzu and it doesn't look like Logitech is planing some MX300/G1/G3 successor.
For many companies gaming mouse means big palm mouse with crappy sensor, lots of lights, useless wheight tuning system, useless amount of buttons and marketing features. :puke:
Unfortunately I doubt that the Xai PCP will fit in a Kinzu shell, so a frankenmouse isn't really an option.
S3888 (from Avago)
A Viper with onboard memory would still be crap, just crap with onboard memory. :D
If you look for really small mice you could look at the asian market (small girly hands --> small mice), "their" Salmosa is even smaller, afaik you can buy it at the Razer Store.
Roccat Pyra (wired) might also be an option.
I'm not sure about MMO players. Isn't mmo all about these huge mice with 10 sidebuttons? MMO are rather slow and less competitive games, where casuals can eat while playing. I think for them it is all about number of extra buttons so they can bind more skills to it.
Agreed. I would prefer even smaller than Kinzu, but Kinzu is OK.
But they tend to make technically better mice always bigger. As if bigger would also mean better.
In fact, in RTS and MMO gaming most serious gamers use fingertip grip. (what Ive gathered from several forums) Its just superior in speed and comfort when you dont have to move your wrist or arm at all. (high DPI)
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@lmnop
Do you see what I mean?
For the wheel it isn't even an Omron switch, looks like TTC.
Are those pics from your own Xai, if so isn't the product code written on the side of the Omron switches with the black plunger?
@asfogh
I have no clue about RTS gaming but aren't many korean gamer using ktec mice?
Mechanical switches are mechanical.That's sig material. :D
How come if the same Omron switches are used in different mouse models made by different manufacturers, some start to malfunction after some time of regular use, and some don't? The middle click on my Lachesis, is regularly registered as a double click. Interestingly, the right/left buttons function flawlessly, but thier usage was a tad hevier compared to the middle one. But then again, the same Omron switches do not show any problems in some really old and heavily used mice.
Doesn't look like an omron switch for the wheel button. ;)
Om nom ron
If there was kinzu with Xai sensor, that would be really perfect mouse.
What gives?
I play starcraft(bw and now sc2) a lot and I've had the salmosa ever since it came out, its prediction doesn't really bother me but I needed a higher DPI mouse so I ordered the abyssus about 1 month ago, despite the fact that people are complaining about how the aby jitters on cloth pads, most notably the Qck's.I got my abyssus on Thursday. Been using it real heavily since then. First thing i did was open up paint and test it on my fUNC 1030 pad. I heard this pad worked no matter what but i just wanted to try it out. Sure enough, no jitters, and lines were as straight as i could draw them.
well, I got a qck+ so I thought ,ok, if it's that bad i will just have to give up on the trusty qck and buy a new hard pad instead.
So my abyssus arrived, shape feels good(quite similar to the salmosa in some way), coated surface is excellent, etc, over all I like it a lot, played a couple of games with it on my Qck didn't feel any skipping or jittering, so I pulled up the good old Paint and started drawing lines and circles.
the circles were smooth and the lines were straight.... WHAT? that can't be true! its supposed to jitter all over the place on the qck i thought? So I grabbed my roommate's razer exactmat and did the same test over and over again between the 2 pads, the results were identical throughout: the abyssus is fine on cloth pads, at least on my Qck+.
What gives?
Methinks you're a victim of internet FUD.
I wound up buying a Salmosa "asia pro gaming edition" off eBay. Cost me like $60. Got it and it's awesome -- similar shape as the salmosa in a smaller package and no on-mouse hz switch. I prefer it to the Salmosa (though I still love the regular salmosa). Then, farting around I noticed it on the Razer store and bought another one shipped from them directly for $30. Looking it up now, it says it's not available. Maybe it's seasonal or something. Anyway, smaller size makes it lighter, a little more manueverable in the vertical for me, and the smaller size also gives me a little more leverage on the buttons and thus more comfortable as well given the way I grip the mouse.
Still has the old squeek issue but, no big deal.
Re: braided cable -- why is it that of all the stupid **** they put in mice that's unnecessary, we can't get a high quality mouse with a replaceable, braided cable? The cable for my salmosa is tiny, flimsy, and long as ****. I'd love it if I could buy a length that fit my use and high quality cable at that...
I play starcraft(bw and now sc2) a lot and I've had the salmosa ever since it came out, its prediction doesn't really bother me but I needed a higher DPI mouse so I ordered the abyssus about 1 month ago, despite the fact that people are complaining about how the aby jitters on cloth pads, most notably the Qck's.
well, I got a qck+ so I thought ,ok, if it's that bad i will just have to give up on the trusty qck and buy a new hard pad instead.
So my abyssus arrived, shape feels good(quite similar to the salmosa in some way), coated surface is excellent, etc, over all I like it a lot, played a couple of games with it on my Qck didn't feel any skipping or jittering, so I pulled up the good old Paint and started drawing lines and circles.
the circles were smooth and the lines were straight.... WHAT? that can't be true! its supposed to jitter all over the place on the qck i thought? So I grabbed my roommate's razer exactmat and did the same test over and over again between the 2 pads, the results were identical throughout: the abyssus is fine on cloth pads, at least on my Qck+.
What gives?
I actually don't like braided cables, they make the mouse a lot stiffer than necessary and you can feel the drag if you're using a very light mouse.