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Title: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:02:57: [attachimg=3]
Firefly is shot On 35mm film. That can blow up to 8K resolution no problem.

Even if they cheap out and use the Current 2K Digital Intermediate, that would still be a major quality boost given new h265 + 1080p chroma.

The current bluray is a 3 Disc set. The episodes are ~20mbit. That is lower than even the vanilla bluray bitrate of ~40mbit.

There is a good deal of Grain, and at the current compression, it just eats into the texture detail much too much..

These screenshots are among the better still shots, The bulk of the episode is much worse.

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Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:26:48: Agreed Firefly and Serenity do need a remaster
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: JP on Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:27:00: Reopening old wounds. They should have never cancelled off that show :( but I digress, they should do it up proper in 4K. We need a viral campaign to get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:32:32: Quote from: jihadu on Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:26:48
Agreed Firefly and Serenity do need a remaster

Serenity has a 4K disc, it's an upgrade over the vanilla bluray, but still 2K DI, not Tru-4K scan. But heck , It's pretty gud'.

The regular series bluray is very soft at places, and you can tell the color grade was Rush.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:16:10: NO.
Because every time they fiddle with it, they also can't help themselves but mess with it. We'll just fix this mistake or... While he's not Lucas, look how many times Star Wars has been alterred. Leave it be,k otherwise you may end up with Kaylee having pink hair or blue skin or something.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:25:21: Serenity sucks, fight me.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:48:22: I've never seen this show.

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Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:51:02: Quote from: noisyturtle on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:25:21
Serenity sucks, fight me.
It shouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 13 May 2019, 00:35:44: Quote from: Leslieann on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:51:02
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:25:21
Serenity sucks, fight me.
It shouldn't exist.

True words.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 13 May 2019, 01:33:48: Agreed. I loved the show.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 13 May 2019, 01:58:33: RIP Firefly

Tp stop disturbing the dead.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 02:04:55: I have faith in Firefly, because the iterations while lazy, has still improved.

DVD image.. ~2002 quality.

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/E0FMNNNU

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Bluray.. ~2008 quality.

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Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 04:56:25: Is Firefly actually good ?
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: SBJ on Mon, 13 May 2019, 05:57:42: Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 04:56:25
Is Firefly actually good ?
It is supposed to be.
I haven't watched it yet either.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:02:31: Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Mon, 13 May 2019, 05:57:42
Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 04:56:25
Is Firefly actually good ?
It is supposed to be.
I haven't watched it yet either.

Firefly > League of Legends..

(https://i.imgur.com/KJAc0O4.gif)
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:12:13: Firefly was just a ripoff of Cowboy Bebop. ;)
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:34:44: On a scale of "The Walking Dead" to "The Wire" how worthy is it to actually watch Firefly?
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: Lanrefni on Mon, 13 May 2019, 11:54:03: Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:34:44
On a scale of "The Walking Dead" to "The Wire" how worthy is it to actually watch Firefly?

I've gotten halfway through Firefly a couple times before I got bored and stopped watching,it's not any where near The Wire in pure excellence.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 13 May 2019, 12:12:39: What is firefly?
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: SBJ on Mon, 13 May 2019, 12:14:01: Quote from: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:02:31
Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Mon, 13 May 2019, 05:57:42
Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 04:56:25
Is Firefly actually good ?
It is supposed to be.
I haven't watched it yet either.

Firefly > League of Legends..

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/KJAc0O4.gif)

I don't like League of Legends.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 15:10:10: Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:34:44
On a scale of "The Walking Dead" to "The Wire" how worthy is it to actually watch Firefly?

Tp4 would give up Ergodox for another season of Firefly w/ original cast

(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 15:16:16: Quote from: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 15:10:10
Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:34:44
On a scale of "The Walking Dead" to "The Wire" how worthy is it to actually watch Firefly?

Tp4 would give up Ergodox for another season of Firefly w/ original cast

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)

Is Ergodox an HBO show ?
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: nelamvr6 on Mon, 13 May 2019, 15:45:08: Firefly was simply amazing television.

Imagine a western crossed with Star Wars, and you can start to imagine it.

It was one of the pillars is Joss Whedon's legend. It featured great acting from Nathan Fillion, Morena Baccarin, Alan Tudyk, Adam Baldwin, and was the break out role for Summer Glau.

HIghly recommended, as well as Serenity, the feature length film that came out at least partly because Firefly's rabid fans pitched such a fit when Fox canceled Firefly way too soon.

Browncoats forever!
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 16:26:34: Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 13 May 2019, 15:16:16

Is Ergodox an HBO show ?

No, but it should be.. maybe not HBO though, Ergodox is strictly no secs kind of show. hahahahha
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 16:29:39: Quote from: HouseofSuffering on Mon, 13 May 2019, 10:12:13
Firefly was just a ripoff of Cowboy Bebop. ;)

Quote from: nelamvr6 on Mon, 13 May 2019, 15:45:08
Firefly was simply amazing television.

The pillars is Joss Whedon's legend.

Joss Whedon for sure is riffing off Bebop and Outlaw Star.

However, Everything is a riff off of something..

Originality aside, it's a good iteration.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 13 May 2019, 20:19:56: I still watch my old DVD box set.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 May 2019, 20:26:10: Quote from: eksuen@Drop on Mon, 13 May 2019, 20:19:56
I still watch my old DVD box set.

Yea, the DVD set is really good, (For DVD). Because it's sourced from the same 2K DI as the bluray.

And it's a mature tech. The resolution is only 720x480, but due to temporal resolution, it visually looks much higher res than it is. You'd be hard pressed to notice the difference between the dvd and 720p.

Using a good upscaler, pretty good details. Taken from dvd, 720x480 -> 1920x1080 Episode 13.

Chroma NGU sharp VH
Luma NGU sharp VH x2 --> NGU sharp VH x2 --> 2D SSIM AR
Chroma 2, NGU sharp (med) --> NGU sharp (low)

Colors only correct in Chrome, firefox messes up the last png.

Madvr Output vvv

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Original Dvd vvv

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Having watched firefly many times, There's alot of bright clipping.. It looks intentional, but if they regrade it for HDR, we should have alot more highlight detail.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 14 May 2019, 02:50:35: Those two images are stricly the same.
What's her name ? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 14 May 2019, 06:58:56: Quote from: azhdar on Tue, 14 May 2019, 02:50:35
Those two images are stricly the same.
What's her name ? Asking for a friend.

They are the same, the top image is upscaled to 1080p, the bottom image is the original size from the DVD.

Morena Baccarin. Same actress from Deadpool.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: ArchDill on Tue, 14 May 2019, 07:26:44: That would be amazing. I’m due for a re-watch.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 14 May 2019, 07:31:20: Oh she's also the waifu in Homeland.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 14 May 2019, 09:26:07: http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/E0EJNNNU

Madvr's AI-upscaling algorithm is amazballs.

DVD image

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DVD Upscaled to 4K

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Bluray 1080p upscaled to 4K

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http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/E0EJNNNU

DVD

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DVD-upscaled

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Bluray-upscaled

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Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: JP on Tue, 14 May 2019, 09:44:12: Enhance...we must go deeper!
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 14 May 2019, 09:59:39: Tp you don't need more zoom.
She's hot we figured already.
Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 14 May 2019, 10:10:12: Quote from: JP on Tue, 14 May 2019, 09:44:12
Enhance...we must go deeper!

Quote from: azhdar on Tue, 14 May 2019, 09:59:39
Tp you don't need more zoom.
She's hot we figured already.

m0ar z00m, m0ar h0t

only w/ AI technology can we faithfully depict Baccarin's full awesome.

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Title: Re: Firefly Really Needs a 4K Remaster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 14 May 2019, 13:07:41: Gonna need ur glasses for this one.

Serenity (2005) film, Bluray vs UHD Bluray (tonemapped)

This is not a True 4K release, it's an Upscale from the 2K Intermediate just like the main series. So they're fundamentally the same resolution.

The UHD release clearly used more de-grain processing. Overall IN THIS CASE, the main quality boost comes from the Chroma Resolution which greatly enhances Textures // Fine-Detail // and Geometry

Bluray

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UHD Bluray

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UHD Bluray

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UHD Bluray

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http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/GWGPNNNX