Touch typing means, you don't press the keys all the way down
I would reccomend you reconsidering your switch choice too. As you described, you have the fear of accidental keypresses with reds, which is a clear symptom of the switch is being too light for you. It won't help with your slipping fingers problem too, as the switches giving in too easy for you.
If you don't mash your keyboard, you also don't need dampened switches too, like a silent red.
Touch typing means, you don't press the keys all the way down
Touch-typing means typing without looking at the keyboard, AFAIK.
Actually, "touch typing" is a specific method that includes being able to type without looking, and more:Touch typing means, you don't press the keys all the way down
Touch-typing means typing without looking at the keyboard, AFAIK.
I don't necessarily think that the keyboard you type the fastest on is the best.
I don't necessarily think that the keyboard you type the fastest on is the best.
I can't disagree with that statement. But then again I never said it was better or worse, simply that I have noticed I am typing considerably faster and more accurately on my laptop than on the Ergodox with mechanical key switches. I've also had some pretty horrible rubber dome keyboards before on which typing was even slower.
I don't necessarily think that the keyboard you type the fastest on is the best.
I can't disagree with that statement. But then again I never said it was better or worse, simply that I have noticed I am typing considerably faster and more accurately on my laptop than on the Ergodox with mechanical key switches. I've also had some pretty horrible rubber dome keyboards before on which typing was even slower.
How fast are you on the Laptop vs the Ergodox ?
I haven't taken any tests but I can feel it. I kinda realised a couple of days ago when my wife, who knows I've been a touch-typist since forever, pointed out my typing looked very fast.
The thing with sprung switches is that force increases with distance (the further you push, the greater the force). With scissor switch keyboards, the starting force is high but once the key gets going it sort of collapses under the finger, thereby assisting the key press. For that reason, bottoming out on scissor switches is not a habit—it's an unavoidable consequence of the switch force actuation curve and the short key travel. The greater initial actuation force of scissor switches is also quite convenient, because I can rest my fingers on the keys without worrying about accidental key presses. With reds, I actively pull my hands upwards to prevent that. Using a heaver switch, e.g. blacks, would enable me to rest my fingers on the keys BUT the actuation force required to actuate the switch would be much greater than that of a scissor switch with the same starting force. Hopefully that makes sense!
If there was an Ergodox with scissor switches, I'd probably buy that.
As you stated, key travel is definitely a factor here.Total key travel does not matter. The travel from touch to feedback does (and that is not the same thing as travel from press to actuation).
Here's another factor on top of what you've noted: Your laptop's Chiclet-style keyboard is most likely recognized by your laptop as a PS/2 keyboard, so it's input will always be processed faster by the computer than any non-PS/2 device (basically anything else that your laptop can interface with).Theoretically, PS/2 and USB are about as fast as one-another, but there are many implementation parameters here and there that can slow things down. A PS/2 keyboard can be slower than a modern gaming keyboard over USB.
BTW, I stop spamming this thread with discussions about the meanings of definitions. If you want, you could call typing on your smartphone touch typing, becasue you touching the keys right? :DNo I ****ing won't stop correct people when they use terminology wrong, or when they spread other common misconceptions.
BTW, I stop spamming this thread with discussions about the meanings of definitions. If you want, you could call typing on your smartphone touch typing, becasue you touching the keys right? :DNo I ****ing won't stop correct people when they use terminology wrong, or when they spread other common misconceptions.
When such misuse spreads, then that is regression in our society. It is dumbing us down. It get harder to discuss something properly when people have different conceptions of what something means.
It's not spamming. It's doing everyone a service. It's about trying to maintain the discussion on a high level, where it should be.
As you stated, key travel is definitely a factor here.Total key travel does not matter. The travel from touch to feedback does (and that is not the same thing as travel from press to actuation).
If he got trained on using good tactile mechanical switches instead of linear switches ("best switch for gaming" my donkey) then I expect that there wouldn't be as much difference.Here's another factor on top of what you've noted: Your laptop's Chiclet-style keyboard is most likely recognized by your laptop as a PS/2 keyboard, so it's input will always be processed faster by the computer than any non-PS/2 device (basically anything else that your laptop can interface with).Theoretically, PS/2 and USB are about as fast as one-another, but there are many implementation parameters here and there that can slow things down. A PS/2 keyboard can be slower than a modern gaming keyboard over USB.
That's completely normal. Some of the fastest typists on earth don't even use mechanical keyboards, and when they do, they aren't always faster. (Some of them even despise mechanical keyboards for speedtyping!)
I think the main benefit of mechanical keyboards for typing is how predictable and consistent they are.
That's completely normal. Some of the fastest typists on earth don't even use mechanical keyboards, and when they do, they aren't always faster. (Some of them even despise mechanical keyboards for speedtyping!)
I think the main benefit of mechanical keyboards for typing is how predictable and consistent they are.
Mm, I don't know about that. I've seen and asked Sean Wrona himself about typing, and he's a mechanical user, as are almost all of the top-level typists I've seen. A few of the very young ones or ones who can't afford a decent mechanical keyboard don't have them, but I don't know of any that specifically prefer (let alone despise, lol) rubber domes or scissor switches.
That's completely normal. Some of the fastest typists on earth don't even use mechanical keyboards, and when they do, they aren't always faster. (Some of them even despise mechanical keyboards for speedtyping!)
I think the main benefit of mechanical keyboards for typing is how predictable and consistent they are.
Mm, I don't know about that. I've seen and asked Sean Wrona himself about typing, and he's a mechanical user, as are almost all of the top-level typists I've seen. A few of the very young ones or ones who can't afford a decent mechanical keyboard don't have them, but I don't know of any that specifically prefer (let alone despise, lol) rubber domes or scissor switches.
I'm in a few discord servers with a bunch of extremely fast typists and while I agree that more than half of the top level guys use mechs, it really is more like a preference to them. I definitely have seen 200+ wpm people who prefer typing on macbook keyboards rather than a proper mech. (Apparently it's harder to slide your fingers across keys on mechs, which I agree.)
Sean himself has said that he isn't that much slower on a membrane keyboard, and if you look at his some of his newest YouTube videos, he's using a cheap Logitech k740.
That's completely normal. Some of the fastest typists on earth don't even use mechanical keyboards, and when they do, they aren't always faster. (Some of them even despise mechanical keyboards for speedtyping!)
I think the main benefit of mechanical keyboards for typing is how predictable and consistent they are.
Mm, I don't know about that. I've seen and asked Sean Wrona himself about typing, and he's a mechanical user, as are almost all of the top-level typists I've seen. A few of the very young ones or ones who can't afford a decent mechanical keyboard don't have them, but I don't know of any that specifically prefer (let alone despise, lol) rubber domes or scissor switches.
I'm in a few discord servers with a bunch of extremely fast typists and while I agree that more than half of the top level guys use mechs, it really is more like a preference to them. I definitely have seen 200+ wpm people who prefer typing on macbook keyboards rather than a proper mech. (Apparently it's harder to slide your fingers across keys on mechs, which I agree.)
Sean himself has said that he isn't that much slower on a membrane keyboard, and if you look at his some of his newest YouTube videos, he's using a cheap Logitech k740.
200+ wpm? I doubt that there are more than ten people in the world that can type full text at 200, let alone "200+" wpm. Would you mind referring me to some of these discords? I fancy myself a good typist and could maybe learn something.
That's completely normal. Some of the fastest typists on earth don't even use mechanical keyboards, and when they do, they aren't always faster. (Some of them even despise mechanical keyboards for speedtyping!)
I think the main benefit of mechanical keyboards for typing is how predictable and consistent they are.
Mm, I don't know about that. I've seen and asked Sean Wrona himself about typing, and he's a mechanical user, as are almost all of the top-level typists I've seen. A few of the very young ones or ones who can't afford a decent mechanical keyboard don't have them, but I don't know of any that specifically prefer (let alone despise, lol) rubber domes or scissor switches.
I'm in a few discord servers with a bunch of extremely fast typists and while I agree that more than half of the top level guys use mechs, it really is more like a preference to them. I definitely have seen 200+ wpm people who prefer typing on macbook keyboards rather than a proper mech. (Apparently it's harder to slide your fingers across keys on mechs, which I agree.)
Sean himself has said that he isn't that much slower on a membrane keyboard, and if you look at his some of his newest YouTube videos, he's using a cheap Logitech k740.
200+ wpm? I doubt that there are more than ten people in the world that can type full text at 200, let alone "200+" wpm. Would you mind referring me to some of these discords? I fancy myself a good typist and could maybe learn something.
There are dozens of people who can do 200+ wpm runs on 10fastfingers I can tell you that. Sean himself averages 170 ish on his non-quit typeracer account and the fastest guys on typeracer seems to average around that too. Sean is the GOAT though, still.
Here's the 10fastfingers server
https://discord.gg/7zVRSrY
Here's the Typeracer server. Sean himself is fairly active in here
https://discord.gg/Qdp8ReW
That's completely normal. Some of the fastest typists on earth don't even use mechanical keyboards, and when they do, they aren't always faster. (Some of them even despise mechanical keyboards for speedtyping!)
I think the main benefit of mechanical keyboards for typing is how predictable and consistent they are.
Mm, I don't know about that. I've seen and asked Sean Wrona himself about typing, and he's a mechanical user, as are almost all of the top-level typists I've seen. A few of the very young ones or ones who can't afford a decent mechanical keyboard don't have them, but I don't know of any that specifically prefer (let alone despise, lol) rubber domes or scissor switches.
I'm in a few discord servers with a bunch of extremely fast typists and while I agree that more than half of the top level guys use mechs, it really is more like a preference to them. I definitely have seen 200+ wpm people who prefer typing on macbook keyboards rather than a proper mech. (Apparently it's harder to slide your fingers across keys on mechs, which I agree.)
Sean himself has said that he isn't that much slower on a membrane keyboard, and if you look at his some of his newest YouTube videos, he's using a cheap Logitech k740.
200+ wpm? I doubt that there are more than ten people in the world that can type full text at 200, let alone "200+" wpm. Would you mind referring me to some of these discords? I fancy myself a good typist and could maybe learn something.
There are dozens of people who can do 200+ wpm runs on 10fastfingers I can tell you that. Sean himself averages 170 ish on his non-quit typeracer account and the fastest guys on typeracer seems to average around that too. Sean is the GOAT though, still.
Here's the 10fastfingers server
https://discord.gg/7zVRSrY
Here's the Typeracer server. Sean himself is fairly active in here
https://discord.gg/Qdp8ReW
Mm, 170 and 200 are quite a far ways apart though, and we all know that the vast majority of those '200 wpm' runs on typeracer are single-sentence texts over less than 10 seconds. Even looking on the leaderboards for 10fastfingers, I don't see a single result from the past day above 200. I get it's a bit pedantic, but the obvious hyperbole is unnecessary.