Post by: PheonixStarr on Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:35:20
(https://i.imgur.com/MJSsEww.jpg)
GB Thread. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717)
/) hi geekhack
This is Cygnus, an f-rowless TKL. It's clean, it's subtle, and it's simple—until you peek inside. The brass plate is suspended in a Kepler-like Poron double gasket mount. The unique mounting complements the plate's extreme cuts—lending a firm response & rich tone to your clack.
Features
• 6063-T6 aluminum case; sandblasted brass weight & plate
• Tenkeyless layout lacking the top function row
• PVD brass plate, with extensive cutouts and calculated flex profile.
• Double gasket mount (dampening & isolation); 1/16"-thick Poron strips
• MX-only 1.6mm PCB with ESD, fuse, and STM32 running QMK
• HERA-C USB Type-C daughterboard
• One RGB LED indicator, representing Caps Lock by default
• 5.5° typing angle
SALES
Unlimited group-buy through Keylace Co. GB will open December 8th, 2019 – January 7th, 2020.
Unlimited group-buy through Keylace Co. GB will open December 8th, 2019 – January 7th, 2020.
One important note: The plates and weight offered in the buy will be sandblasted brass, not PVD.
I would've liked to offer it, but my manufacturer is currently unable to reliably provide PVD brass parts.
My alternate sources charge more than the price point would allow. Sorry :(
I wasn't aware it needed to be said, but yes, by default, each Cygnus will ship with one brass plate,
one Arcturus PCB, and one HERA-C daughterboard. Add-ons are available at the point of sale and possibly afterward, as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/UH7hMti.jpg)
12/2/19
On Prototypes and Colors
I'd like to present—
(https://i.imgur.com/l7Mzxhc.jpg)
The Slate Gray prototype! The brass plates have also arrived, and they feel phenomenal on the gasket (tried with T1s & NK Creams).
(https://i.imgur.com/GHMdj2V.jpg)
More pictures here. (https://imgur.com/a/mWN43qX)
I've decided upon Saturday, December 7th, 12:00 PM PST as the opening date of the group-buy. With a minimum of 50, it will remain open as an unlimited buy until January 7th (unless I hit some ridiculous number like 200 orders, but I highly doubt it'll get that far).
One important note: The plates and weight offered in the buy will be sandblasted brass, not PVD. I would've liked to offer it, but my manufacturer is currently unable to reliably provide PVD brass parts. My alternate sources charge more than the price point would allow. Sorry :(
The board starts at $400, with additional brass/alu/CF/POM plates for $40 (sorry, I wish it could be lower; also, each Cygnus kit will ship with one brass plate by default) ea. & additional PCBs for $55 ea. Each Cygnus kit will ship with one daughterboard by default; additional HERA-C boards are available (screws included) on Keylace.
In the GB, I am introducing the e-coated Jet Black as a new color option, for that sweet, sweet black-&-gold colorway. Speaking of colors, I received some sample chips (that black is anodized, not e-coated)
(https://i.imgur.com/QoEXdnj.jpg)
The camera makes the blue seem a little more saturated than it is in real life—personally, I think the blue chip looks closer to the renders than this photo. Oddly enough, the rose gold chip looks about the same across the board. Thanks to elmo for catching it.
Regarding the "Forest Green" prototype—I have spoken with Cormorant on this matter, and they assured me that in the production run, the Cygnus Teal tone will more closely match 351 C. For short prototype runs, they use an inherently unstable color mixing method to achieve dyeing as opposed to an anodization bath (which is expensive for a single unit)
11/27/19
PROTOTYPES ARRIVED!
It's been quite some time, hasn't it? I promise I've been quite busy behind the scenes—and not just with Cygnus, as some of you might've heard of. After a lengthy wait, the first two prototypes, along with a sampling of POM plates, are in! There's a Slate Gray prototype + some brass plates on the way, too.
(https://i.imgur.com/RsRm0HG.jpg)
Please note that, in the production run, I'll be adding in the HERA-C daughterboard, as well as a third, center-aligned column of screws. Cygnus kits will arrive with the Poron gaskets adhered onto the upper and lower assemblies.
Anyway, enough chatter—let's take a look.
More pics here. (https://imgur.com/a/mWN43qX)
(https://i.imgur.com/0lDtz7m.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Ll7ESPl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/383NDAR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/wCmMY5m.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/N3oEwQm.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/J1ciRzH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8uvzgl3.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/A5ZtjvF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AEZbbVk.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/cF07kb6.jpg)
9/30/19
On Rubber Feet and USB Ports...
- Upon advice from Keycult's riotonthebay, the Poron mounting was slightly modified
- Plate redesigned to isolate 60 Set and Nav Cluster.
- CYGNUS as a whole was fine-tuned; many dimensions were minutely changed and the USB port is now a little more sane-looking.
The board also now sports some swanky new rubber feet. What do y'all think?
(https://i.imgur.com/TUV3SuL.png)
I'm currently finalizing everything with all my manus (case, packaging, accessories, etc.) All that's left is to finish the PCB.
9/18/19
On MKULTRA and Displacement...
Edit: this is very sadly canceled :(
Manufacturer (henceforth codenamed CORMORANT) has confirmed & approved the second revision. Speaking of the second revision, let's take a look at the new plate.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575516899572580353/622980225357316116/unknown.png)
Cute, huh? Red signifies the most displacement, while blue is the most rigid. As you can see, the top-bottom mounting system results in a (mostly) horizontally invariant flex profile.
(https://i.imgur.com/0rCu6Be.jpg)
After consulting with my contact at a materials manu (henceforth codenamed LIVERMORE), I selected a Poron formulation which will have a lightweight, non-residuous adhesive applied to one side to keep things in place.
8/11/19
On Layouts and Colors...
- Added split backspace.
- Added Tsangan Winkeyless option for upper assembly.
- Redesigned LED cutout, as requested, to a horizontal line.
- Still no ISO.
- PCB became 1.6mm, since it won't really make a difference toward the flex.
- Enlarged the weight; keeb now weighs 2.0kg.
- Expanded color offerings; Onyx Black and Amethyst purple dropped due to lack of interest.
I've received quotes from the manu; it looks like we'll be able to hit the $400 price point, after all—if not go lower, even!
(https://i.imgur.com/Q7q3zkb.png)(https://i.imgur.com/kLSAyIL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UH7hMti.jpg)
Renders
(https://i.imgur.com/2utL9GX.jpg)
Shown with GTRX's GMK Nord (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100646.0).
(https://i.imgur.com/anK12lb.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/e7EkygU.jpg)
I also took the liberty of updating the rather unpopular LED cutout and swapped it for something more like a line, as requested :)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tl02HQU.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/0DjShsT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cItA8AH.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/bGCexei.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/m2XfO2X.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/pX0ySac.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/D7R9mOx.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/njm9zvm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DOsRF9O.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/gnoDI9f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KTxITFi.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2IHMmyA.jpg)
The PVD sandblasted brass weight displays Nightingale Studio's "Wing" icon.
(https://i.imgur.com/iQPCrLS.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/9mFvQnI.jpg)
A quick note on gaskets—I've been asked a few times what sets class materials like Poron and Sorbothane apart from neoprene or silicone.
Mechanical isolation and vibration dampening are two key characteristics of gaskets. Materials like neoprene, silicone, rubber, etc. have excellent isolation properties—they prevent the vibration of the plate from dispersing into the case. They do not, however, dampen very well; that is to say, the isolation is not perfect—some vibration leaks through. That's where Poron and Sorbothane come in—they both isolate the plate well, but they also absorb and dampen the residual shock from typing.
SPECIAL THANKS
...(and apologies) to the handful of early buyers; your patience & forgiveness is highly appreciated, and I am shipping the orders regardless of the status of the money.
...to Gtrx, for providing awesome feedback and for shilling Cygnus around Discord, as well as lending GMK Nord
...to KingKoala22, also for providing awesome feedback and for shilling Cygnus around Discord
...and to you for reading, especially if you left a comment :)
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:35:40
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Post by: DetectiveNio on Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:38:59
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Post by: PheonixStarr on Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:40:14
Is this using Wakizashi PCB?
Nah, it's got it's own.
Post by: OtherAndrew on Sun, 21 July 2019, 20:57:08
Post by: sever on Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:19:10
- Any chance of getting some precision-cut material between PCB/plate or plate/case?
- Will there be a daughterboard for USB?
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:28:29
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:38:54
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:41:16
I'm interested; the renders look very nice. Good job!
- Any chance of getting some precision-cut material between PCB/plate or plate/case?
- Will there be a daughterboard for USB?
No daughterboard. The USB cutout is enlarged to let the port shift, should the user change the compression. I was entertaining the idea of foam fill—we'll see how it adds up.
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 21 July 2019, 21:54:42
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Post by: yui_ on Sun, 21 July 2019, 22:54:43
Also, any split backspace support?
Post by: flying1911 on Sun, 21 July 2019, 22:55:39
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Post by: SixtyLife on Mon, 22 July 2019, 00:04:47
Post by: Domi on Mon, 22 July 2019, 00:12:03
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?
Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.
Post by: mdlt97 on Mon, 22 July 2019, 00:23:30
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?
Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?
Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.
Outside of og dyesubs and select pbt sets, you dont face that issue and even then its not a hard fix, can just buy double shot versions of the few keys you relacing since they arent likely to be highly used
Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 22 July 2019, 01:27:35
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Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 22 July 2019, 01:29:46
I wouldn't use this myself but I know lots of people would want to use ISO enter. Are you considering adding this as an option? Maybe with another plate if you didnt wan't to change the current enter key on the plate.
Also, any split backspace support?
I'm thinking of offering an ISO-compatible aluminum plate, and also open-sourcing it.
No WKL option?
Please add a WKL option ;)
okkkkk WKL option avail
are there plans for other plate materials?
Perhaps not. Maybe an aluminum plate, but meh.
Post by: Cresc3nt on Mon, 22 July 2019, 01:35:07
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 22 July 2019, 02:32:29
I like your suggestion to open source and support iso on alu plate, this brings me to my questions;
- is brass the only plate material you're planning to support or will you also consider other types of material? (CF, Poly?)
- ne split backspace avail
- ne WKL blocker avail? (can imagine this not happening since it means actual changes to the physical structure of the board)
And last; is the case going to be high profile enough to cover the switches even with SA caps?
Post by: Rogue_Jellybean on Mon, 22 July 2019, 04:54:11
(https://i.imgur.com/S4HFe4W.png)
Post by: Bleddyn on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:38:35
With the brass plate being a feature in the IC why would you relegate any ISO plate options to aluminum instead of keeping them equal with the ANSI brass plate?I wouldn't use this myself but I know lots of people would want to use ISO enter. Are you considering adding this as an option? Maybe with another plate if you didnt wan't to change the current enter key on the plate.
Also, any split backspace support?
I'm thinking of offering an ISO-compatible aluminum plate, and also open-sourcing it.No WKL option?Please add a WKL option ;)
okkkkk WKL option availare there plans for other plate materials?
Perhaps not. Maybe an aluminum plate, but meh.
Post by: haingo1094 on Mon, 22 July 2019, 06:45:09
Post by: Domi on Mon, 22 July 2019, 07:42:42
This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?
Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.This layout feels weird to me. Wouldn't most people who need arrow keys but don't care for the F-row just go for the 65% layout instead and save the horizontal space?
Biggest issue for me with 65s is most keycaps sets with non uniform profiles only have the correct profiles for Home, PgUp, PgDn, End or Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. In those layouts, PgUp and PgDn are the most accessible of the nav cluster; I actually use Home and End more often. Having a nav cluster where it belongs also means that everything is equidistant from the arrows; I usually never use the 2 keys in the top right just because they feel so far comparatively.
Outside of og dyesubs and select pbt sets, you dont face that issue and even then its not a hard fix, can just buy double shot versions of the few keys you relacing since they arent likely to be highly used
Hmmm, I’m not quite sure what you mean; my preferred layout would be PgUp, PgDn, Home, End. I haven’t seen any set come with a R3 Home. And yes I suppose if I really wanted to I could just get a special key made for it but I’m still not the biggest fan of it since it’s not like I don’t use PgUp and PgDn or delete.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 22 July 2019, 13:28:53
- is brass the only plate material you're planning to support or will you also consider other types of material? (CF, Poly?)
- ne split backspace avail
- ne WKL blocker avail? (can imagine this not happening since it means actual changes to the physical structure of the board)
And last; is the case going to be high profile enough to cover the switches even with SA caps?
Brass won't be the only one. I'm not big on offering an aluminum plate, bc brass is more popular anyway and adding alu will inflate the kit cost. There will, however, be carbon fiber plates available.
Looks clean! Nice infographics. Is this the same board from the renders on the GMK Dracula page or were you just inspired by seeing that layout/board?
Thanks! It's actually a wild, wild coincidence that there's an frowless tkl on GMK Dracula's page (another IDE theme keyset). I don't keep up with Dracula, and I didn't know the Tickle Wickle existed; I was only informed this morning.
With the brass plate being a feature in the IC why would you relegate any ISO plate options to aluminum instead of keeping them equal with the ANSI brass plate?
I don't particularly want to offer an aluminum option, seeing as it'll inflate kit cost and also alu sux. I suppose I could do an ISO brass plate if the demand was high enough to justify the cost of another CNC component. We'll see how it goes.
Any option for the sandblasting weight ? I really like this layout but not a big fan of PVD coat
The prototypes received will be sandblasted to save cost. If you'd like, we can arrange for me to either: package your keeb with sandblasted proto weight & plate; or reserve a proto for you entirely (at 10% discount).
Post by: cattharsis on Mon, 22 July 2019, 14:17:29
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:42:10
This was the layout that got me into mechanical keyboards.
The idea of having that nav cluster and dedicated arrows was amazing. Not knowing much about keycaps and compabilities, I later found myself in the territory of 65% which uses a non-standard shift key.
I think this layout is quite nice and might attract a lot of new players into the scene, but I'm not so sure seasoned MK elitist would go for this layout since the name of the game is to go as small as you can while optimizing form factor.
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Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 28 July 2019, 23:05:39
Few questions
1. Any possibility to remove the name in the back of the baord?
2. Any possibility to re-design the LED? (Possibly like a line instead of a dot to make it not look out of place)
3. Any WKL Renders?
Post by: SoraNoTenshi on Mon, 29 July 2019, 03:15:13
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Post by: idlemao on Mon, 29 July 2019, 09:41:56
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Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 29 July 2019, 10:31:51
(Not criticising, just curious. I want to make a run myself some day and I'm fascinated with this trend with flexing keyboards...)
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 29 July 2019, 10:42:52
2. Any possibility to re-design the LED? (Possibly like a line instead of a dot to make it not look out of place)
This.
Post by: jyon on Mon, 29 July 2019, 12:33:18
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Post by: dr_unconscionable on Tue, 06 August 2019, 01:43:51
I know it's less nice and balanced but I feel like the bright star in your logo should be Deneb (the top left one), since that's one of the brightest stars in the sky. Would be cool to engrave the constellation on the board, or a crane silhouette or something. The "Cygnus" text is nice and clean but a little plain.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 06 August 2019, 21:53:56
Any new updates with this?
sooooon :)
Post by: Geo.Li on Wed, 07 August 2019, 22:14:35
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 09 August 2019, 03:53:09
Post by: SoraNoTenshi on Fri, 09 August 2019, 08:47:55
And also something from my side... Could split spacebar made as an option? (3, 1, 3) / (2.25, 1, 2)?
Post by: kokugatsu on Fri, 09 August 2019, 12:07:07
Is the first render Nightingale Blue?
Post by: thecezar on Fri, 09 August 2019, 13:25:16
Post by: Maxusy on Fri, 09 August 2019, 14:33:11
The RGB hole is fine imo, but I think you could perhaps emphasise the futuristic theme more by going with a different design such as a small line or something more futuristic. Would personally also be fine if there was not such an indicator, does anyone even use capslock? I would guess most people would bind it to control or FN anyway so the indicator is useless and not having it would give the keyboard a more stealthy look.
Color selection is also nice, hope you stick with those :)
Post by: zlee003 on Fri, 09 August 2019, 17:06:06
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Sat, 10 August 2019, 00:04:26
Post by: jimboytacos on Sat, 10 August 2019, 12:09:42
Big fan of the layout! Something new and very functional. Also happy about the 'small' angle of 5.5 degrees. I like my keyboards flat, so I'm pleased this is not the usual 7+ degrees.
The RGB hole is fine imo, but I think you could perhaps emphasise the futuristic theme more by going with a different design such as a small line or something more futuristic. Would personally also be fine if there was not such an indicator, does anyone even use capslock? I would guess most people would bind it to control or FN anyway so the indicator is useless and not having it would give the keyboard a more stealthy look.
Color selection is also nice, hope you stick with those :)
I wouldn't say "new". This layout has been around, just haven't used as frequently since it's the same length as a tkl but less in height. It's an odd layout since a 60 and 65% is meant to save horizontal space in a desk.
I do love the design of this case.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sun, 11 August 2019, 23:44:29
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Post by: audiosl4ve on Mon, 12 August 2019, 08:30:16
I'd say anything neutral works. 9009, minimal, muted, greyscale, modo perhaps. Or just go crazy and pick a contrasting colorfull set.
so how many are you buying this time? 2-3?
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 12 August 2019, 09:23:10
Post by: SUB01 on Tue, 13 August 2019, 08:40:48
Post by: vidoardes on Tue, 13 August 2019, 10:23:52
Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 13 August 2019, 23:03:26
Love the look of this, although only interested if ISO is an option. Can I ask how you are gauging ISO interest? There was no option to put any comments on the IC form.
ISO meh. I wasn't planning on offering it—adding another plate option increases the overall price of it. Combining it with the ANSI cutout screws with the keyfeel (neither switch is truly mechanically supported by the plate).
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 14 August 2019, 03:13:37
Post by: SUB01 on Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:38:42
Post by: yui_ on Wed, 14 August 2019, 17:34:17
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 14 August 2019, 20:59:41
Post by: gminso on Wed, 14 August 2019, 21:12:22
Also, if IC submitted well over 55, would you increase the limit?
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 14 August 2019, 21:19:28
today
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Wed, 14 August 2019, 22:03:03
Post by: SUB01 on Sat, 17 August 2019, 01:15:25
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 17 August 2019, 04:47:47
will there be silver renders?
Also, if IC submitted well over 55, would you increase the limit?
yee
The IC submitted something like 150 so far; although, it should be noted that not many of the actual IC submissions end up purchasing the product.
are there considerations for a half plate?
maybe! :D
Can we start GB
...
today
noh
also while we're asking hotswap too pls xd
noh
Hey Pheonixstarr, speaking of plate options, maybe an aluminum plate? It'll probably help keep the manufacturing and materials costs down. I'm pretty sure a lot of people prefer the springy-ness of the material more as well.
noh
also, offering aluminum AND brass would increase the overall cost, if anything
Target GB date? :)
soon :)
I'm hoping it'll run before the end of 2019. I've settled things with the manu and finalized the design; right now, I'm negotiating with another manu for the Poron strips.
Post by: SUB01 on Sat, 17 August 2019, 06:20:12
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 17 August 2019, 07:40:41
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Post by: vidoardes on Mon, 19 August 2019, 05:16:14
ISO meh. I wasn't planning on offering it—adding another plate option increases the overall price of it. Combining it with the ANSI cutout screws with the keyfeel (neither switch is truly mechanically supported by the plate).
That sucks, but I understand the reasoning. GL with the group buy!
Post by: phinix on Mon, 19 August 2019, 10:28:08
However, $400 a pop is too much. Full TKL costs this much, like Rama U80 for example.
KBDFAN8X Mk2 was for $250 including delivery.
I'm sad now... :'(
Post by: SUB01 on Mon, 19 August 2019, 11:32:07
ps, it would be really interesting to see the poll results of the initial interest check form if you have the time.
Post by: calveeen on Mon, 19 August 2019, 14:20:26
Post by: phinix on Mon, 19 August 2019, 16:09:59
Post by: ptrick3 on Mon, 19 August 2019, 18:08:53
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 19 August 2019, 18:41:41
Any chance at increasing the typing angle?
Yeah, 7 degrees would be perfect.I disagree. A lot of boards being created/IC'd at 7 and 8 degree, especially the 75/TKL market. Very low amount of 5-6 degree boards out there. It is a good choice to be different.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 19 August 2019, 22:16:11
Will the white be off white, or 'white' white. You have Hyperfuse and Pristine shown, but both of those are off white sets (2M for hyperfuse and L9 for pristine). 2M is more grey and L9 is more beige.
bro i just guessed at the keycap colors :-X
the e-white will be like, full-on white white
Post by: SUB01 on Mon, 19 August 2019, 22:20:36
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 19 August 2019, 22:33:47
This is exactly a format I wanted for years.
However, $400 a pop is too much. Full TKL costs this much, like Rama U80 for example.
KBDFAN8X Mk2 was for $250 including delivery.
I'm sad now... :'(
I can't agree that the size of a keyboard has that much to do with the price (especially not when we're only dropping an f-row), and it's certainly not the only factor. In fact, comparing RAMA to KBDfans is like comparing Apple to a BLU phone--though I mean no offense to either ai03 nor KBDfans themselves.
KBDfans simply operates at a different level. I'm not a sizable company with a multitude of connections, years of experience, nor am I based in China (which reduces shipping cost in every sense of the word). Neither am I producing a huge amount of boards--something like two to three hundred MKII's were sold. And I don't mean to sound pretentious at all, but what I am trying to do is achieve a production quality near that of RAMA, TGR, Keycult, etc.
Also, good god, man; the MKII isn't even a gasket-mounted keyboard. And It isn't even $250; that's before you buy a plate .
Post by: phinix on Tue, 20 August 2019, 02:45:30
This is exactly a format I wanted for years.
However, $400 a pop is too much. Full TKL costs this much, like Rama U80 for example.
KBDFAN8X Mk2 was for $250 including delivery.
I'm sad now... :'(
I can't agree that the size of a keyboard has that much to do with the price (especially not when we're only dropping an f-row), and it's certainly not the only factor. In fact, comparing RAMA to KBDfans is like comparing Apple to a BLU phone--though I mean no offense to either ai03 nor KBDfans themselves.
KBDfans simply operates at a different level. I'm not a sizable company with a multitude of connections, years of experience, nor am I based in China (which reduces shipping cost in every sense of the word). Neither am I producing a huge amount of boards--something like two to three hundred MKII's were sold. And I don't mean to sound pretentious at all, but what I am trying to do is achieve a production quality near that of RAMA, TGR, Keycult, etc.
Also, good god, man; the MKII isn't even a gasket-mounted keyboard. And It isn't even $250; that's before you buy a plate .
Hey, man, I understand your position which explains why this keyboard will be so expensive. Yes, you are right, 8X was $300 including plate, I forgot about it.
I was thinking that if Rama U80 is a full TKL made of huge block of alu, plus all the gasket, bits and pieces - yours being FKL, should be a bit cheaper, at least looking at material prices.
Like you said - you're not in the same position as those guys are, but still trying to achieve as much as possible, which is very good.
I hope you will achieve Rama's quality, also hoping that maybe you will be able to lower the price a bit, maybe raising the number of boards produced, something it helps negotiating better price with manufacturer. This is great design and like I said I was waiting for something like this to be produced and you're doing it. I wish you good luck and will be watching this closely, even if I won't be able to buy one.
Post by: Maxusy on Tue, 20 August 2019, 03:24:25
For the price, where will these be shipped from? I assume they will be produced in China, is there not an option to ship directly from the factory warehouse?
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 20 August 2019, 03:29:46
Do note that Rama boards are far from perfect and should not be your standard of highest quality.This is exactly a format I wanted for years.
However, $400 a pop is too much. Full TKL costs this much, like Rama U80 for example.
KBDFAN8X Mk2 was for $250 including delivery.
I'm sad now... :'(
I can't agree that the size of a keyboard has that much to do with the price (especially not when we're only dropping an f-row), and it's certainly not the only factor. In fact, comparing RAMA to KBDfans is like comparing Apple to a BLU phone--though I mean no offense to either ai03 nor KBDfans themselves.
KBDfans simply operates at a different level. I'm not a sizable company with a multitude of connections, years of experience, nor am I based in China (which reduces shipping cost in every sense of the word). Neither am I producing a huge amount of boards--something like two to three hundred MKII's were sold. And I don't mean to sound pretentious at all, but what I am trying to do is achieve a production quality near that of RAMA, TGR, Keycult, etc.
Also, good god, man; the MKII isn't even a gasket-mounted keyboard. And It isn't even $250; that's before you buy a plate .
Hey, man, I understand your position which explains why this keyboard will be so expensive. Yes, you are right, 8X was $300 including plate, I forgot about it.
I was thinking that if Rama U80 is a full TKL made of huge block of alu, plus all the gasket, bits and pieces - yours being FKL, should be a bit cheaper, at least looking at material prices.
Like you said - you're not in the same position as those guys are, but still trying to achieve as much as possible, which is very good.
I hope you will achieve Rama's quality, also hoping that maybe you will be able to lower the price a bit, maybe raising the number of boards produced, something it helps negotiating better price with manufacturer. This is great design and like I said I was waiting for something like this to be produced and you're doing it. I wish you good luck and will be watching this closely, even if I won't be able to buy one.
The reason their recent kits have that sound-dampening mat is that previous kits sound notoriously hollow and boring, to the point people have looked down on them for "looks first, functions later".
And let's not even mention the issues with their PCBs. My now-sold M65-A was a nightmare to fix.
Post by: flying1911 on Tue, 20 August 2019, 05:49:36
Post by: SUB01 on Tue, 20 August 2019, 06:20:56
edit: btw a rough groupbuy estimate pls?
edit2: I understand that hotswap probably won't be a thing, but when you eventually get the pcb could you test holtites and/or millmaxes with them?
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 20 August 2019, 06:49:45
Do note that Rama boards are far from perfect and should not be your standard of highest quality.
The reason their recent kits have that sound-dampening mat is that previous kits sound notoriously hollow and boring, to the point people have looked down on them for "looks first, functions later".
And let's not even mention the issues with their PCBs. My now-sold M65-A was a nightmare to fix.
You cannot compare the M65-A (which was a commissioned case designed by Rama and run by KeyClack) with keyboards that Ramaworks designs and manufactures now (like M6-A, M60-A, KOYU, U80-A). This is like comparing the original Keycult No.1 produced by Originative, with the Keycult No.1/60, No.1/65, No.2, No.1 rev 1.
Post by: calveeen on Tue, 20 August 2019, 08:48:01
Any chance at increasing the typing angle?Yeah, 7 degrees would be perfect.I disagree. A lot of boards being created/IC'd at 7 and 8 degree, especially the 75/TKL market. Very low amount of 5-6 degree boards out there. It is a good choice to be different.
Agreed. The 5.5 degree angle makes this board unique, and the low angle compliments the low profile design.
Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)
Post by: Maxusy on Tue, 20 August 2019, 09:18:35
Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)
Depends on the person I guess, but personally I always hit my highest 10fastfinger scores with a flat keyboard (b.face, 0 degree angle) with a very thin pen under the case or something for a ~5 degree angle. Never been able to hit over 150wpm with angles higher than that although I tried. Also I think it feels awkward to your wrists, perhaps my wrists are different.
Post by: SUB01 on Tue, 20 August 2019, 09:36:41
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Former bio student here, if you mean more ergonomic as in what people feel as more comfortable, then I guess there is a subjective element to it. However, typing on a too steep a keyboard will lead your hand to stay in an extended state for too long causing wrist problems long term. Biologically speaking leaving your wrists as flat as possible is best for you. Though you do you, I don't mean to preach or anything.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 20 August 2019, 16:28:44
Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)
Keeb ergonomics is meme, anyway. I just know that 5.5° is more comfortable for me, personally, and other small private-buy keebs I made received generally positive response on the relatively low angle. I didn't do it because I wanted to be "different" from other keebs, but I suppose I can make that a selling point nonetheless :)
Post by: calveeen on Tue, 20 August 2019, 21:52:34
Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)
Keeb ergonomics is meme, anyway. I just know that 5.5° is more comfortable for me, personally, and other small private-buy keebs I made received generally positive response on the relatively low angle. I didn't do it because I wanted to be "different" from other keebs, but I suppose I can make that a selling point nonetheless :)
Gotcha, thanks all for replying!
Post by: Kohsta on Tue, 20 August 2019, 23:36:11
Post by: SUB01 on Wed, 21 August 2019, 02:45:44
Post by: PheonixStarr on Thu, 22 August 2019, 12:04:29
When will the prototypes be ordered?
Soon, I hope :p
I'm currently giving most of my attention to uni work, Austin, and GMK Nord. Perhaps in a month or three…?
Post by: SUB01 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 13:01:01
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Fri, 23 August 2019, 11:31:38
When will the prototypes be ordered?
Soon, I hope :p
I'm currently giving most of my attention to uni work, Austin, and GMK Nord. Perhaps in a month or three…?
Well at least this gives people some time to save for this. Waiting for this board is going to slowly kill me inside tho.
Post by: sapphyr on Tue, 10 September 2019, 23:50:34
Post by: Adelscott on Wed, 11 September 2019, 01:48:40
Post by: PheonixStarr on Thu, 19 September 2019, 20:00:30
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 19 September 2019, 22:45:12
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 20 September 2019, 03:06:45
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 21 September 2019, 02:06:53
Very interested, great layout. Would ISO plate and PCB be an option?
After some deliberation, I've decided not to offer ISO on this board. Usually, I'd add ISO support to the PCB and release an open-sourced plate file, but not this time.
Post by: robert2300 on Mon, 23 September 2019, 05:51:00
Post by: SUB01 on Mon, 23 September 2019, 08:31:33
How can I buy this?
Eventually, (hopefully), if there is enough interest in the board, the designer will open what is called a group buy. Once that opens, you can pay for the board, and with that money the designer will have the board be made. Usually, in a few months after the board is paid for, you will get the board shipped to you.
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 23 September 2019, 09:23:24
Any chance at increasing the typing angle?
I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.
Post by: robert2300 on Mon, 23 September 2019, 16:17:15
How can I buy this?
Eventually, (hopefully), if there is enough interest in the board, the designer will open what is called a group buy. Once that opens, you can pay for the board, and with that money the designer will have the board be made. Usually, in a few months after the board is paid for, you will get the board shipped to you.
Thank you for telling me politely.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 30 September 2019, 03:24:39
I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.
Possibly I might make it a 55 unit MOQ, and open up the maximum to whatever. Hopefully, it'll stay under 100, but if that's how things roll, then it's how things roll.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 30 September 2019, 04:52:31
Very interested, great layout. Would ISO plate and PCB be an option?
After some deliberation, I've decided not to offer ISO on this board. Usually, I'd add ISO support to the PCB and release an open-sourced plate file, but not this time.
Any particular reason why? I love the layout but to be a daily driver I would need the ISO. Good luck with the project, it is cool.
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 30 September 2019, 07:55:10
Like the idea of that. Want in for sure. 9/30 updates look good!I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.
Possibly I might make it a 55 unit MOQ, and open up the maximum to whatever. Hopefully, it'll stay under 100, but if that's how things roll, then it's how things roll.
Post by: xtruedoc on Mon, 30 September 2019, 14:13:06
Any chance of a black case color or are the colors pretty locked to the 6 shown?
Post by: sapphyr on Mon, 30 September 2019, 14:36:23
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 30 September 2019, 16:38:24
Any chance at increasing the typing angle?
I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.
5-6 degree boards are few and are between. Not a deal breaker for me.
Updates look great!
Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 01 October 2019, 03:07:00
Love this :D
Any chance of a black case color or are the colors pretty locked to the 6 shown?
Not locked, but very little interest was shown in black, so I did not include it in the post. It'll show up as an option on the form, though.
ne photos of protos avail?
Come back in about two or three weeks :)
Post by: paul8273 on Tue, 01 October 2019, 09:38:35
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 02 October 2019, 15:18:17
Love this :D
Any chance of a black case color or are the colors pretty locked to the 6 shown?
Not locked, but very little interest was shown in black, so I did not include it in the post. It'll show up as an option on the form, though.ne photos of protos avail?
Come back in about two or three weeks :)
Will proto be shown before gb starts?
Post by: jaminb on Thu, 03 October 2019, 17:12:20
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 03 October 2019, 21:50:10
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Post by: The Rhymenocerus on Sun, 06 October 2019, 22:30:49
Post by: noorejji on Wed, 30 October 2019, 14:30:21
Post by: vidoardes on Thu, 07 November 2019, 14:04:40
Interested in this. +1 for ISO! I chose in the google form that I wouldn't be willing to go over $400, but if it meant ISO support for plate and PCB I'm more likely going to be fine with a price hike.This in ISO would be my dream board. I'm actually considering trying my first ANSI board ever just to get my hands on it.
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Post by: noorejji on Thu, 07 November 2019, 16:10:46
This in ISO would be my dream board. I'm actually considering trying my first ANSI board ever just to get my hands on it.It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.
Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr :D
Maybe with Analog Dreams?
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 08 November 2019, 02:09:52
This in ISO would be my dream board. I'm actually considering trying my first ANSI board ever just to get my hands on it.It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.
Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr :D
Maybe with Analog Dreams?
In The Netherlands we mostly use ansi so I'm no expect on the matter. But afaik ISOUK is the only iso layout that just changes position of keys compared to ansi but doesn't actually -add- anything. Where ISO-DE or norde layouts actually use the extra keys for new legends etc., so for those users I can imagine swapping to ansi would be harder.
Post by: vidoardes on Fri, 08 November 2019, 04:41:56
It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.
Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr :D
Maybe with Analog Dreams?
In The Netherlands we mostly use ansi so I'm no expect on the matter. But afaik ISOUK is the only iso layout that just changes position of keys compared to ansi but doesn't actually -add- anything. Where ISO-DE or norde layouts actually use the extra keys for new legends etc., so for those users I can imagine swapping to ansi would be harder.
Problem with ANSI is that you loose the pound symbol. I know there is a unicode shortcut for it, but I work in finance so it is a commonly used key. You can technically do UK ANSI, but then you still need a board that supports short left shift or you loose either the #~ key or the |\ key, or program a shortcut combo around it
Post by: phinix on Fri, 08 November 2019, 04:50:42
How do you program a shortcut combo for it?It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.
Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr :D
Maybe with Analog Dreams?In The Netherlands we mostly use ansi so I'm no expect on the matter. But afaik ISOUK is the only iso layout that just changes position of keys compared to ansi but doesn't actually -add- anything. Where ISO-DE or norde layouts actually use the extra keys for new legends etc., so for those users I can imagine swapping to ansi would be harder.
Problem with ANSI is that you loose the pound symbol. I know there is a unicode shortcut for it, but I work in finance so it is a commonly used key. You can technically do UK ANSI, but then you still need a board that supports short left shift or you loose either the #~ key or the |\ key, or program a shortcut combo around it
I decided to go ANSI after years of strugling to get ISO UK for all sets I wanted.
I use ALT Gr + numpad's 0163 on TKL Realforce to get pound, but it's a pain...
Post by: ramnes on Fri, 08 November 2019, 08:49:07
Post by: badchad on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:09:24
Post by: PheonixStarr on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:24:41
GB will open maybe in a few weeks.
Post by: breckstar on Thu, 21 November 2019, 18:25:33
Just a few days out from prototypes :DHyped
GB will open maybe in a few weeks.
Post by: badchad on Thu, 21 November 2019, 21:38:29
Post by: DetectiveNio on Fri, 22 November 2019, 17:43:29
Post by: elmo on Tue, 26 November 2019, 05:13:17
the dark blue version matches GMK Dracula pretty much perfect imho ;D
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 26 November 2019, 15:09:30
Skipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one
Same -- in a fierce debate between this and J02. Chomping at the bit for protos. Pheonix, what are the odds there'll be a build stream?
Post by: DetectiveNio on Tue, 26 November 2019, 16:02:56
I went ahead and got e8.5 anywaysSkipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one
Same -- in a fierce debate between this and J02. Chomping at the bit for protos. Pheonix, what are the odds there'll be a build stream?
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Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 26 November 2019, 17:34:28
Skipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one
Same -- in a fierce debate between this and J02. Chomping at the bit for protos. Pheonix, what are the odds there'll be a build stream?
Maybe! I'm thinking about it—personally, I don't feel like it's hype/interesting enough of a board to make it worth a stream. It's just a wacky layout with some basic gasketing.
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 26 November 2019, 17:43:47
Skipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one
Same -- in a fierce debate between this and J02. Chomping at the bit for protos. Pheonix, what are the odds there'll be a build stream?
Maybe! I'm thinking about it—personally, I don't feel like it's hype/interesting enough of a board to make it worth a stream. It's just a wacky layout with some basic gasketing.
:shrug: oh how this hobby is spoiled now with all these fancy GBs and build streams
Post by: breckstar on Tue, 26 November 2019, 20:15:02
Post by: elmo on Wed, 27 November 2019, 00:57:16
No stream, keep the hype low, we all get keebs :)this.
don't hype this board too much since there are only very few boards available :D
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Post by: PheonixStarr on Wed, 27 November 2019, 22:01:31
don't hype this board too much since there are only very few boards available :D
naw, bro. Unlimited buy :P
also, nice oneplus 6t
Post by: elmo on Thu, 28 November 2019, 00:29:36
oh unlimited now?don't hype this board too much since there are only very few boards available :D
naw, bro. Unlimited buy
also, nice oneplus 6t
I thought only 55 units.
But that's nice then
Edit: missed the update lol. Damn that prototype is fire!
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Post by: _rubik on Thu, 28 November 2019, 02:06:30
OP, you may have answered this already, but do you have a rough estimate as to manu time on these?
Post by: zekkin on Thu, 28 November 2019, 06:51:42
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 28 November 2019, 07:19:22
So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?Some would say this is an absolute triumph of keyboarding group buys.
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 28 November 2019, 07:29:13
Post by: megaforce on Thu, 28 November 2019, 12:48:32
So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
nah bro, they gotta take this gb money to fund the previous gb -- the forbidden gb tech
also nice pcb, where did you take it from?
Post by: TheMilkmen on Fri, 29 November 2019, 08:52:08
So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
nah bro, they gotta take this gb money to fund the previous gb -- the forbidden gb tech
also nice pcb, where did you take it from?
As the uninitiated one, I know about the hate for Tesletron already, but what's this new stuff here? I'm a fan of this board but now I wanna know what I might be involving myself with.
Post by: paul8273 on Fri, 29 November 2019, 10:35:55
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 29 November 2019, 11:05:16
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Fri, 29 November 2019, 14:07:26
So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
nah bro, they gotta take this gb money to fund the previous gb -- the forbidden gb tech
also nice pcb, where did you take it from?
As the uninitiated one, I know about the hate for Tesletron already, but what's this new stuff here? I'm a fan of this board but now I wanna know what I might be involving myself with.
The $14k thing... basically what happened was that there was, not sure what to call it, maybe an unadvertised soft launch, of the website where some early orders of the Cygnus and a different board were allowed. This was halted after a day, I believe the main reason was sales were higher than expected. It appears OP intended / expected just a couple of people to order and was not comfortable with too many orders.
Maybe a week later, the payment processing company (Square) locked and closed the account. According to OP, the Square account was not new and was used before, however the guesses given were either the larger amount of money, or the fact that there were several international sales that may have set off red flags. In any case, When this happens, Square locks the money for 90 days, no exceptions apparently, which would be February. OP has also stated that Square shuts off all customer service after locking the account, so there is no way to allow for refunds.
There are some Cygnus orders in there, however the vast majority of the funds are from the other board.
The payment processor was switched to a new one. OP has reported that they have discussed the business model with the new company before opening the account in the hopes to avoid the same problem.
Currently, it has been stated that previous Cygnus preorders are being honored despite not having access to funds (OP will front the cash until funds get released).
The other board is being delayed until the funds are released.
This is all according to what OP has said. There are some risks here of course, so it's up to you to decide.
Post by: TheMilkmen on Fri, 29 November 2019, 14:17:06
So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.So let’s get this straight...you currently have a significant amount of money ($14,000) held up from one semi-public/private group buy and you intend to open up an unlimited quantity group buy for another design before you resolve the issues from your other buy?
Smells like the second coming of Tesletron.
nah bro, they gotta take this gb money to fund the previous gb -- the forbidden gb tech
also nice pcb, where did you take it from?
As the uninitiated one, I know about the hate for Tesletron already, but what's this new stuff here? I'm a fan of this board but now I wanna know what I might be involving myself with.
The $14k thing... basically what happened was that there was, not sure what to call it, maybe an unadvertised soft launch, of her website where some early orders of the Cygnus and a different board were allowed. This was halted after a day, I believe the main reason was sales were higher than expected. It appears OP intended / expected just a couple of people to order and was not comfortable with too many orders.
Maybe a week later, the payment processing company (Square) locked and closed the account. According to OP, the Square account was not new and was used before, however the guesses given were either the larger amount of money, or the fact that there were several international sales that may have set off red flags. In any case, When this happens, Square locks the money for 90 days, no exceptions apparently, which would be February. OP has also stated that Square shuts off all customer service after locking the account, so there is no way to allow for refunds.
There are some Cygnus orders in there, however the vast majority of the funds are from the other board.
The payment processor was switched to a new one. OP has reported that they have discussed the business model with the new company before opening the account in the hopes to avoid the same problem.
Currently, it has been stated that previous Cygnus preorders are being honored despite not having access to funds (OP will front the cash until funds get released).
The other board is being delayed until the funds are released.
This is all according to what OP has said. There are some risks here of course, so it's up to you to decide.
Well, that is some awkward news to me. I am in the Lumina GB with Tesletron, and albeit that I am not particularly the most happy with it I do not want to have to be put into a similar situation like that. The problem is that both of the boards are really nice seeming to me and I wouldnt mind having either of them.
Definitely need to find more about this whole situation so that I can make a good decision and hopefully protect my ass in the end of this. Thanks for the clarification though!
Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 29 November 2019, 21:24:48
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 29 November 2019, 22:05:56
(https://i.imgur.com/JWEB70U.jpg)
Is this how it's going to be for the production boards?
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Sat, 30 November 2019, 01:11:58
Really like the board but it looks like there's quite a gap on the left side.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JWEB70U.jpg)
Is this how it's going to be for the production boards?
That issue was brought up as well in the Discord. The official proto plates were taking awhile to ship, so they ordered plates separately but accidentally used a slightly smaller plate length. The official proto plates (and production plates) will reportedly fix that problem.
Also, since it's isolation mount, my understanding is that if you're not careful in mounting the board, you can get gaps if you put the plate in off center, but I don't think that's the problem here (or at least not the only problem).
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 30 November 2019, 03:18:21
Really like the board but it looks like there's quite a gap on the left side.
The gaps were my mistake. The brass plates (and the Slate Gray prototype) encountered some issues during production and were delayed by the manufacturer. I decided to quickly cut up some POM plates for pictures, and accidentally used a 19.00mm spacing instead of the Cygnus' 19.05mm.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 30 November 2019, 03:19:46
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 30 November 2019, 03:47:20
... if you're not careful in mounting the board, you can get gaps if you put the plate in off center ...
Yes, this is an inherent problem with some gasket boards. For Cygnus, I would heavily recommend using a couple keycaps to try and perfect the alignment, after which one would remove the caps, carefully turn the board over, and screw it in. This will all be addressed in an "unboxing & assembly" video produced by an associate of mine
Post by: whatplug on Sat, 30 November 2019, 15:35:33
Post by: VXQN on Mon, 02 December 2019, 05:23:16
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 02 December 2019, 19:40:23
Is that supposed to be cygnus teal, because it looks more like a green.
It is admittedly closer to a mint green in the renders and a vibrant forest green in the prototypes; I've worked with the manufacturer on getting a tone closer to 351 C.
Post by: gamerman on Mon, 02 December 2019, 21:42:12
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I've decided upon Saturday, December 7th, 12:00 PM PST as the opening date of the group-buy. With a minimum of 50, it will remain open as an unlimited buy until January 7th (unless I hit some ridiculous number like 200 orders, but I highly doubt it'll get that far).So is it unlimted or limited? Whats the minimum of 50?
Post by: thecezar on Mon, 02 December 2019, 22:17:46
QuoteI've decided upon Saturday, December 7th, 12:00 PM PST as the opening date of the group-buy. With a minimum of 50, it will remain open as an unlimited buy until January 7th (unless I hit some ridiculous number like 200 orders, but I highly doubt it'll get that far).So is it unlimted or limited? Whats the minimum of 50?
It means they need at least 50 people to buy to have the group buy.
Post by: gamerman on Mon, 02 December 2019, 22:29:20
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Thank you! do you by chance know where i can find keylace co?
Post by: thecezar on Mon, 02 December 2019, 22:51:27
It means they need at least 50 people to buy to have the group buy.Thank you! do you by chance know where i can find keylace co?
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No idea but once they group buy starts i'm pretty sure he'll post the link.
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Mon, 02 December 2019, 23:48:38
Post by: VXQN on Tue, 03 December 2019, 09:17:45
Post by: elmo on Sat, 07 December 2019, 03:47:34
Is the blue piece what is supposed to be the nightingale blue?
because the blue looks much more subtle in the renders.
The example piece is much more vibrant.
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 07 December 2019, 04:40:49
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QoEXdnj.jpg)
Is the blue piece what is supposed to be the nightingale blue?
because the blue looks much more subtle in the renders.
The example piece is much more vibrant.
Hmm... now that I peer at it closely, you're right. The camera made the blue seem a little more saturated than in real life. I'll add a note to the IC—thanks for the catch!
Post by: Shinryuuki on Sat, 07 December 2019, 11:10:22
Is there a pantone # for that specific color?
Post by: elmo on Sat, 07 December 2019, 12:48:40
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 07 December 2019, 14:32:12
The nightingale blue looks amazing.
Is there a pantone # for that specific color?
Pantone 533 C.
GB moved up one day now?
Just a day.
Post by: aeryxz on Mon, 09 December 2019, 23:20:31
The nightingale blue looks amazing.
Is there a pantone # for that specific color?
Pantone 533 C.GB moved up one day now?
Just a day.
Copying aegis navy as well. What is original with this gb?
Post by: sapphyr on Mon, 09 December 2019, 23:36:35
Copying aegis navy as well. What is original with this gb?
UK-78 (from 2017) uses Pantone 533C.
GMK Nautilus (also from 2017) uses Pantone 533C.
AeBoards has aegis navy in 2018.
Cypher (from 2019) uses Pantone 533C. No one insinuated that that was copied. Wonder why?
So, who’s copying who? And why is Phoenix being piled on liked this? What is possibly different? What COULD it be? I wonder.
Post by: aeryxz on Tue, 10 December 2019, 00:17:19
Copying aegis navy as well. What is original with this gb?
UK-78 (from 2017) uses Pantone 533C.
GMK Nautilus (also from 2017) uses Pantone 533C.
AeBoards has aegis navy in 2018.
Hmmm. Who copied who?
Copying aegis navy as well. What is original with this gb?
UK-78 (from 2017) uses Pantone 533C.
GMK Nautilus (also from 2017) uses Pantone 533C.
AeBoards has aegis navy in 2018.
Hmmm. Who copied who?
We prototyped the aegis in 2018. It included a long run of communication to get it right with the anno supplier. Having said that I've never seen the uk78, and comparing gmk cap colours to anno is a bit strange.
But it is quite serendipitous on how much copying is done particularly for this model.