Post by: Prelim on Wed, 14 August 2019, 05:44:06
vintage blacks VS retooled VS gaterons VS switch mods VS lube VS etc... what's your best achieved combo?
(please describe the switch and lube reference/mix used)
Post by: Surefoot on Wed, 14 August 2019, 07:03:47
Once lubed the difference is subtle to non existent (this excludes the Box switches of course). The Gat Ink Blacks start by being the smoothest.
Post by: lolafineday on Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:02:11
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Post by: chyros on Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:11:14
Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e :p .
Post by: Zylkan on Wed, 14 August 2019, 12:42:32
Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.doubt...
Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e.
But then again, I've only tried cherry and gats. Lube makes a huge difference in both. And I'm not even using krytox
Post by: GlennL42 on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:28:29
Tealios being a contact based switches yet still matching a contactless switches in itself is indicative of its smoothness really. Plus both have a similar feeling (edit: and sound) as well, probably due to the heavy usage of polycarbonate in their construction, though I could not scientifically back that statement.
Post by: Sup on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:31:21
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 14 August 2019, 20:07:35
I started with Cherry MX Red then eventually find it too light then tried MX Black and find it too hard.
I'm currently on Gateron Yellow and it's getting close but still a tiny bit too light, next up I might try Gateron Black.
Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 15 August 2019, 02:57:30
Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?I have both, the Nature Whites are closer to Blacks than Reds, but still a happy medium between them. Nature Whites are a bit scratchy due to the Cherry stem, i suppose one could swap a Gateron stem in there for smoothness.. Apart from that they are very pleasing in use but again im a Gat Ink / Tealios user so i might be biased.
Post by: vafan on Thu, 15 August 2019, 03:37:47
Tealios and Adomax Flaretech are the smoothest switches I've tried so far and are very closely matched, based on my short comparison of both; at worst Flaretech is only slightly smoother than stock Tealios.
Tealios being a contact based switches yet still matching a contactless switches in itself is indicative of its smoothness really. Plus both have a similar feeling as well, probably due to the heavy usage of polycarbonate in their construction, though I could not scientifically back that statement.
Where do you buy Adomax Flaretech?
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 15 August 2019, 04:17:49
Where do you buy Adomax Flaretech?Check out Chyros-san's videos from his signature.
Post by: chyros on Thu, 15 August 2019, 04:23:43
If you need lube, it's inherently a **** design, because lubricant will always have more friction than an inherently frictionless design.Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.doubt...
Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e
But then again, I've only tried cherry and gats. Lube makes a huge difference in both. And I'm not even using krytox
Besides, let's be honest, a good switch shouldn't need so much work to make it good, if you can buy it brand-new. Factory-lubed switches deserve a bit more sympathy – but ultimately a contact-based design will never be able to compete with a GOOD contactless design in terms of smoothness.
Post by: GlennL42 on Thu, 15 August 2019, 06:56:49
Sorry for poor choice of wording, I didn't own any loose switches, I tested an Aorus board with Flaretech switch in a mall and made comparison between both from memory; The only source for loose Flaretech switches as of now is from Wooting (https://wooting.store/products/analog-flaretech-switches-big-pack) themselves AFAIKTealios and Adomax Flaretech are the smoothest switches I've tried so far and are very closely matched, based on my short comparison of both; at worst Flaretech is only slightly smoother than stock Tealios.
Tealios being a contact based switches yet still matching a contactless switches in itself is indicative of its smoothness really. Plus both have a similar feeling as well, probably due to the heavy usage of polycarbonate in their construction, though I could not scientifically back that statement.
Where do you buy Adomax Flaretech?
Post by: Zylkan on Thu, 15 August 2019, 08:45:06
That makes sense. And again, I'm not really in a position to argue with you on that.If you need lube, it's inherently a **** design, because lubricant will always have more friction than an inherently frictionless design.Smoothest I've tried so far is Adomax Flaretech. Stock, even.doubt...
Forget about the ****ing lube. If you have to lube it, it's ****e
But then again, I've only tried cherry and gats. Lube makes a huge difference in both. And I'm not even using krytox
Besides, let's be honest, a good switch shouldn't need so much work to make it good, if you can buy it brand-new. Factory-lubed switches deserve a bit more sympathy – but ultimately a contact-based design will never be able to compete with a GOOD contactless design in terms of smoothness.
And I bet you made a lot of people curious on those switches.
Would be nice if someone else could chime in
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 15 August 2019, 11:30:13
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Post by: Sintpinty on Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:19:59
I am here. Modern cherry mx blacks are awful.
(https://i.ibb.co/y8t5vj8/1461-C820-9-CC7-4-C40-A095-5-FEA246-F0596.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y8t5vj8)
Post by: walie on Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:56:22
Let us discuss linear switches.
I am here. Modern cherry mx blacks are awful.
(https://i.ibb.co/y8t5vj8/1461-C820-9-CC7-4-C40-A095-5-FEA246-F0596.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y8t5vj8)
In what way? What other switches have you tried?
Post by: rxc92 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 10:17:38
Post by: Riverman on Fri, 16 August 2019, 12:12:03
Post by: chyros on Fri, 16 August 2019, 13:50:49
Post by: Surefoot on Sat, 17 August 2019, 05:04:20
Post by: Hyde on Sun, 18 August 2019, 17:46:43
Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?I have both, the Nature Whites are closer to Blacks than Reds, but still a happy medium between them. Nature Whites are a bit scratchy due to the Cherry stem, i suppose one could swap a Gateron stem in there for smoothness.. Apart from that they are very pleasing in use but again im a Gat Ink / Tealios user so i might be biased.
lol ahhh ok I should look into those then. Thanks!
Post by: killyou on Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:43:28
Post by: Aerizu on Mon, 19 August 2019, 08:46:39
To be honest smoothness was never an issue for me for linears. Finding the perfect weight is hard.
I started with Cherry MX Red then eventually find it too light then tried MX Black and find it too hard.
I'm currently on Gateron Yellow and it's getting close but still a tiny bit too light, next up I might try Gateron Black.
Does anyone here have any experience regarding Cherry MX Nature White vs Gateron Black?
Have you tried using custom spring weights? I like 63.5g on my Tealios :)
Post by: phinix on Sat, 31 August 2019, 16:11:17
Post by: rxc92 on Sat, 31 August 2019, 18:20:21
Which linear switches would be best for SA keycaps?
(https://i.imgur.com/0CCBHhF.jpg)
Post by: phinix on Sat, 31 August 2019, 18:42:18
If you think it has nothing to do with it, you are wrong.Which linear switches would be best for SA keycaps?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0CCBHhF.jpg)
For example 45g MX red are too light for example for SA, those heavier caps feel better with heavier switches.
For example, I only used SA with MX reds, balcks and Tealios and think that tealios are a lot better than MX. maybe there is other switch that feel better than Tealios, i don't know.
I was wondering what people prefer that is why I asked.
Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 31 August 2019, 19:45:20
If you think it has nothing to do with it, you are wrong.Which linear switches would be best for SA keycaps?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0CCBHhF.jpg)
For example 45g MX red are too light for example for SA, those heavier caps feel better with heavier switches.
For example, I only used SA with MX reds, balcks and Tealios and think that tealios are a lot better than MX. maybe there is other switch that feel better than Tealios, i don't know.
I was wondering what people prefer that is why I asked.
MX reds deduct accuracy.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 01 September 2019, 05:00:37
The primary reason for this is because the bulk of the slide-Action is between the nylon white click slider and the very loose blue round center stem. This produces far less friction than Red/ Black sliders where the spring leaf is always in contact with the stem.
Press an MX blue switch very slowly, it's smooth and light all the way down.
Press an MX Red/Black switch slowly, it's grindy and fricative.
Post by: chyros on Sun, 01 September 2019, 05:21:00
Cherry MX BLUE is the smoothest Cherry MX switch BY FAR.phix'd that phor you (http://forum.falloutstudios.org/public/style_emoticons/default/I8.GIF)