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Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 14:43:50: I've got this Model F (AT) that arrived "new in original box", and I've used it for less than a half hour since then. Where can I find a good reference as to what to ask for it, as I now want to sell/trade it?
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 14:49:46: Quote from: webwit;189637
Worthless junk... people here wouldn't give more than a mere $450 for a NIB Model F.

Seriously. I want it to go to a good home (someone on here), but I don't want to rip someone off or get ripped off myself.

Would love to trade it for another Filco brown cherry tenkeyless, or even a Topre, but I have no idea if it's even worth that much.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 14:58:15: Woah. Well, it's new/unused, other than the 30 minutes or so I had it plugged in to test out, as far as I can tell.

Pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbill/sets/72157623943502107/detail/

I certainly wouldn't feel right asking for anywhere near $450; that's just insane.
If anybody's interested in working out a trade or sale deal, let me know.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:00:29: Trade it for an HHKB (+cash, optionally) or something.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:06:39: Quote from: ripster;189649
HHKB/Realforce swap sounds about right. The ones Clicky was selling had the box, warranty card, wrapped in plastic, all that good stuff.
I see a few scuffs on the back but not sure if that's your camera.

I'll have to look at it again when I get home, but I'm pretty sure that's the camera. Can take better pictures if I haul it to the desk where I have my good lighting setup.

I'd be happy with a straight swap for a tenkeyless Topre, even a lightly-used one. I'm not picky about "perfect".
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:08:05: Mrbill, out of curiosity, have you ever been registered on a site nick-named "HBOFF"?
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: kishy on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:09:07: Come on guys, everyone knows they're really worth $5...

(I really doubt this is working)
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: kishy on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:11:42: $7

Nah, make it $20, but that's my final offer!
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:13:06: Quote from: webwit;189654
Show pictures of the box and such. People like that. You'll probably get offers if it looks the real deal.

Edit: updated pictures.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbill/sets/72157624205315960/detail/

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Mrbill, out of curiosity, have you ever been registered on a site nick-named "HBOFF"?

Nope. The only other forums I spend a lot of time on are Metafilter and (not as much as I used to) Something Awful.

Edit: and I'm always "mrbill", "wcbtx", or "billbradford". I'm "mr_bill" on IRC, although I've not hung out on EFNet much since '98; some friends and I run a private network.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:14:45: Quote from: mrbill;189660
Nope. The only other forums I spend a lot of time on are Metafilter and (not as much as I used to) Something Awful.

Darn. It ain't such a small world, eh? ;)
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: maxlugar on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:27:53: Quote from: kishy;189657
Come on guys, everyone knows they're really worth $5...

(I really doubt this is working)

They're not worth anything.

I suggest he donate his worthless 84-key Model F to a worthy charity (mine).

I will make sure the keyboard goes to a sick child in a 3rd world country to help increase PC literacy etc.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: kishy on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:28:44: Quote from: maxlugar;189664
They're not worth anything.

I suggest he donate his worthless 84-key Model F to a worthy charity (mine).

I will make sure the keyboard goes to a sick child in a 3rd world country to help increase PC literacy etc.

*sniffle sniffle* If I still had the Peerless, I'd donate it to your charity!
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: maxlugar on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:31:52: Quote from: webwit;189662
Seems to be the real $400+ deal..looks pristine and complete, congrats man!

That would be approximately equal to an HHKB or Topre + a Filco (both NIB)
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: didjamatic on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:35:23: Pics of cord, box and any extras with it would be good. A board that is 95% mint might be 10-25% of the value of a mint complete new one. It's that last 5% that makes most of the value in a Mint/NOS purchase with anything collectible.

Really scrutinize it's condition to be sure there aren't small surprises. These boards are well built enough that they can be used on a limited basis for years and appear new. But congrats on owning such a great board in such good condition! You'll have no problem selling/trading it.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:36:55: Quote from: didjamatic;189667
Pics of cord, box and any extras with it would be good.

I will be taking extensive pictures with a better camera and proper lighting as soon as I get home tonight.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: maxlugar on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:37:21: Quote from: kishy;189665
*sniffle sniffle* If I still had the Peerless, I'd donate it to your charity!

I'm sorry, sick children in 3rd world countries prefer only to type on 84-key AT Model F keyboards in pristine condition. :)
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 04 June 2010, 16:57:39: Or trade it for a used M15 if you like BS. Both sell for the $400-$500 range, though M15s are on the way up.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: didjamatic on Fri, 04 June 2010, 17:03:39: Actually M15's have been selling for considerably more but Webwit just happened to hit a home run when he got his. I would value an M15 at $800 minimum.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: didjamatic on Fri, 04 June 2010, 17:07:25: Quote from: ripster;189694
? Haven't seen that with the Model M, Model M Space Saving OR the Model F AT. Or the Filco, Realforce, Das......

Realforce, Das, Filco... these are all recents you can still buy. An ATF is a vintage collectible, another league.

That is the way collectibles work - if it's Mint in original package, complete with everything, it's a whole other league above opened, less than mint.

1978 Vinyl cape Jawa, loose played with - about $10
1978 Vinyl cape Jawa, MIP - One went for $25k in the 1990's, not sure about now. Lots of fakes have hurt their value.

Old Gillette razors, open clean condition are $10-40 for most of them, MIP are hundreds

Vintage Hotwheels used $5-100, MIP... hundreds to thousands.

1970's Lego playsets complete, sealed vs opened and played with... I rest my case. :)
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 04 June 2010, 17:07:26: Quote from: didjamatic;189695
Actually M15's have been selling for considerably more but Webwit just happened to hit a home run when he got his. I would value an M15 at $800 minimum.

Oh.

Quick, find another mint Model F! :p
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: didjamatic on Fri, 04 June 2010, 17:15:06: I know, I've been kicking my self repeatedly for not acting fast enough on a $60 near mint AT-F. I hesitated as someone else picked it off.

But the rules of collectibles apply to keyboards as well. Vintage is another league when you can find NIB.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: didjamatic on Fri, 04 June 2010, 17:25:06: Yeah, I'm all too familiar with ebay standards.

This isn't NIB by any stretch of the imagination:
(http://open.salon.com/files/selling_tea_kettle1241141208.bmp)
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Fri, 04 June 2010, 18:20:56: Quote from: didjamatic;189710
This isn't NIB by any stretch of the imagination:
Show Image
(http://open.salon.com/files/selling_tea_kettle1241141208.bmp)

But the seller looks really hot.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: skcheng on Fri, 04 June 2010, 18:26:51: Item is worth whatever someone is willing to pay.

No one seemed very interested in this AT-F:

Unused IBM AT Keyboard (http://cgi.ebay.com/Unused-Original-IBM-Keyboard-w-Original-Packaging-/280507270755?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item414f894663)

So it appears that there are still NIB AT-F boards out there. I've now heard of people obtaining these for a low of $40 to a high of $450 here in the states.

I'd love to have a NIB AT-F. Just not sure what I'm willing to spend for one.....
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: nowsharing on Fri, 04 June 2010, 19:15:31: Quote
No one seemed very interested in this AT-F:
Except for me :) We'll have to see how "like-new" it is though.

At least I know that I'm not getting another one of these:

Sometimes when they say dirty, they're ****ing serious!
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 19:15:32: High-res pictures of the keyboard; you can click through and hit "All Sizes" for up to 6MP versions:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbill/sets/72157624205315960/detail/

There is a "smudge" on the back of the board to the upper right of the label; it looks more like a color defect in the plastic and isn't a scrape/scuff as far as I can tell. There's also a tiny nick to the bottom left of the label (shown in the pictures).

Everything else is pristine and mint and unused as far as I can tell. I only have the keyboard, the box, the styrofoam, and the plastic bag.

I'm open to a sale or full/partial trades (Topre tenkeyless board, older Intel-based Mac Mini, etc). I'll consider anything within reason; I like gadgets.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: nowsharing on Fri, 04 June 2010, 19:17:50: Wow, nice keyboard and great pictures.

Oh no, they pulled the old ship it in the original box trick. I've had that happen too.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 04 June 2010, 19:56:57: I *am* looking for a DSLR camera (to replace the S3 IS I took these pics with). Something slightly older, 5-6MP; I don't need fancy.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 04 June 2010, 23:32:06: Hey that's a real nifty find!

I'd just keep it if I were you.

I actually want a Model F AT; but since I'll be modding it, don't want a new one, nor pay a large amount for it (my experiments can and do go wrong). I'm hoping to pull a kishy and find one for free.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: pang0011 on Sat, 05 June 2010, 00:00:03: If Japan pull out of recession and the international keyboard collectors’ communities keep growing, I think the NIB M15/Model F AT will be worth more than $1000.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Sat, 05 June 2010, 00:06:19: Quote from: pang0011;189843
If Japan pull out of recession and the international keyboard collectors’ communities keep growing, I think the NIB M15/Model F AT will be worth more than $1000.

Then the day before Mrbilll puts his keyboard on ebay, some guy finds a warehouse with 5000 NIB Model F ATs and sells them for $25 a pop.
Title: Market value of new Model F (AT)?
Post by: mrbill on Sun, 06 June 2010, 12:50:07: I've decided to sell the board, and will offer it to geekhackers first.

Cash price: $225 shipped