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Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:32:00: i had a mx518 and a g5. i always used the mx. i got the g500 and could not get used to the feel for weeks. it is shaped more like the g5 that i did not use.
plus i kept hitting the flip button on the left.

i was ready to toss it. then i figured out a good grip. now i love this mouse!
it is fast "and" precise. the wheel is looser than the mx but i got used to that as well.

i just wanted to say to anyone that finds the feel awkward. give it a few weeks to get used to it. this is the best mouse i ever have had. i also had the m9x. i like the g500 better.

i use sort of a low claw that is almost a palm with it now.

also, you need to use setpoint 5.4 i think. the 6.1 does not completely work with it. at least for me and according to logitech support.

you can get it online for less than $50. don't pay bb $70!

with this mouse and my new filco cherry blue i am very pleased. i use a computer to make a living 8-10 hours a day. i could not say how the mouse and keyboard are for gaming though.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:40:28: The G500 is indeed a great mouse. The only issue I had with Setpoint 6.1 was that the middle side button was not being recognized as a button and I was not able to bind it in games or Ventrilo. However, after assigning a random keypress to it (I think it was the Home button), I was able to bind it just like the other buttons.

Funnily enough, I had virtually no learning curve with the G500. I had just moved from a broken Deathadder (and that Deathadder took me around a ****ing YEAR to get used to) and my hand took to it immediately. It's phenomenal for gaming of course. The sensor is laser and still about as good as optical sensors, which is great. I also like that the scroll-wheel can side-scroll and has two different scrolling modes.

Yep, I love this mouse.
Oh, also, Logitech has legendary support. Some of the best support on the market IMO. That greatly facilitated my move from Razer (which is run by a bunch of "1337 g4m3r d00d" pricks).
Title: logitech g500
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 13 June 2010, 00:57:22: $60 for a stupid G5? Man... that's way too much.
I could get a whole bunch of zoltrix mice:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11021&stc=1&d=1276408557)

(actually I seen one in a lot with 30 other mice, but I asked the seller if I could just have that one, never responded back). Haven't seen any others like that. But I think it looks cool, and the mouse wheel looks comfy (but scrollpoint kicks wheel butt).
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Sun, 13 June 2010, 06:50:41: Quote from: EverythingIBM;192651
$60 for a stupid G5? Man... that's way too much.
I could get a whole bunch of zoltrix mice:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11021&stc=1&d=1276408557)

(actually I seen one in a lot with 30 other mice, but I asked the seller if I could just have that one, never responded back). Haven't seen any others like that. But I think it looks cool, and the mouse wheel looks comfy (but scrollpoint kicks wheel butt).

$120 for a stupid Filco? I can get a whole bunch of *insert ****ty membrane keyboard* here.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 13 June 2010, 23:39:40: x2, gr1m! sheesh. a hyundai and a mb will both go and stop too lol. well, i will not trade you for my g500.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Tue, 15 June 2010, 03:19:38: i found a problem with the g500. it has something loose inside of it. it bangs around if you whip the mouse side to side. that has to suck for gaming. which is what it is built for. guys, could you please try yours? maybe mine is defective!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: dfj on Tue, 15 June 2010, 13:11:46: Quote from: typo;193210
i found a problem with the g500. it has something loose inside of it. it bangs around if you whip the mouse side to side. that has to suck for gaming. which is what it is built for. guys, could you please try yours? maybe mine is defective!

Le screwdriveure phillipes ou le hammer ball-peen...

srsly, open it up and figure it out - they not supposed to rattle. If there's a roach in there or something, take it out.
If it's an important looking piece, and it isn't clear how to fix it, post pics and folks will make unreasonable suggestions on what you should do - and much fun will be had by all.

dfj
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Tue, 15 June 2010, 13:35:13: RMA it. Logitech will probably let you keep the old one too or something.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Tue, 15 June 2010, 18:09:13: indeed. logitech is known just to drop one in the mail. i'll call them and tell them. at least this is legit :)
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Tue, 15 June 2010, 19:44:52: it is just the wheel moving if i whip it fast. that would seem normal for this rodent. given that the wheel moves in so many directions. it kind of "floats" when you are not touching it.

it's fine.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Tue, 15 June 2010, 20:34:32: My scroll wheel does make a noise when I move the mouse but it does not make deafening cracking noises or anything. Nothing more than a soft tick.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Tue, 15 June 2010, 22:43:20: it is just a little wobble. no big deal. i can see it is the design of this rodent. it is fine with me.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 15 June 2010, 23:01:13: My G500's wheel does the same thing. Just a ticking sound as it wobbles back and forth. No biggie. Seem to do it a lot more in free spinning mode than tactile mode.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: .Logic on Wed, 23 June 2010, 10:44:10: I can't stand the g500s prediction/acceleration... It may be feature packed but for FPS games where you need your mouse to be consistent (e.g. quick flicks) it's almost useless. I'm in love with my Xai (no acceleration after latest firmware update) but even more so, my IM 3.0. it is an amazing mouse.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 23 June 2010, 15:06:21: Quote from: .Logic;195725
I can't stand the g500s prediction/acceleration... It may be feature packed but for FPS games where you need your mouse to be consistent (e.g. quick flicks) it's almost useless. I'm in love with my Xai (no acceleration after latest firmware update) but even more so, my IM 3.0. it is an amazing mouse.

You can turn them on or off, some people use them, it's not all bad. Xai/G500 use the same engine(ADNS-9500) except they use different models with the Xai using the more customizable version.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 23 June 2010, 18:13:02: Quote from: gr1m;192697
$120 for a stupid Filco? I can get a whole bunch of *insert ****ty membrane keyboard* here.

$120 for a Filco? I can get a whole bunch of IBM Model M's.

Too bad a Filco's a ****ty keyboard compared to the IBM.
Title: logitech g500
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Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Wed, 23 June 2010, 19:28:18: I haven't played CEVO in a few years admittedly but I loaded up CSS to test your theory and the accel is not that bad.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Thu, 24 June 2010, 02:10:32: guys, is the sidewinder or xai better than the g500 for general windows use(not gaming)?
i am happy with the g500 but i was just wondering. actually i like the mx518 on my other machine a little better.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: .Logic on Thu, 24 June 2010, 10:30:06: Quote from: gr1m;195860
I haven't played CEVO in a few years admittedly but I loaded up CSS to test your theory and the accel is not that bad.

There's your problem, you were playing SOURCE :P

Just kidding :D

Yea the accel probably isn't that bad but for me even a little throws me off. The Xai does still suffer a little negative accel at very high speeds and low sensitivity and for that reason I still use an IM 3.0 at major LANs... I do find the Xai incredibly comfortable however and the buttons are feel nice with a solid click to them.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Arc'xer on Thu, 24 June 2010, 12:41:53: Quote from: typo;195896
guys, is the sidewinder or xai better than the g500 for general windows use(not gaming)?
i am happy with the g500 but i was just wondering. actually i like the mx518 on my other machine a little better.

Sidewinder was a big hit and miss with most gamers. Bluetrack didn't really live up to the hype, from what some have said it's a good mouse but it just misses on some areas.

The Xai and G500 both use the ADNS-9500 engine, the Xai uses the A-version and the S-version is used by the 500. The Xai has more customization like modifying the polling rate to match the refresh rate for example 60/120hz and 500hz don't go together so 480 and 600hz are even dividers of the polling rate and refresh rate. And other features like DPI settings per 1 count unlike the G500. The G500 is based on the 518/G5 shape, while the Xai is based on the IO-1.1 but with a larger hump. There's also a few posts on the Xai here on this forum mentioned by lmnop and a few others with some good information.

It's hard to say which is better both should perform just about the same. I think the Xai is better based on all the extra features despite the size. Not to say the G500 is bad, but seems like the Xai is time and time again mentioned by many.

Your G500 is better than the 518, 518 has mouse prediction and polling rate is stuck at 125hz. I know some have tried to get it to 250/500 but it seems to cause more harm than good. Not to say the 518 is bad but it's not king of the hill anymore.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Thu, 24 June 2010, 16:39:47: Xai is cool but since they have the same sensor and the G500 is more comfortable (since I'm used to a Deathadder grip) I saved the money and got my G500 for $50 CAD shipped. I can't really find good prices on the Xai.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Fri, 25 June 2010, 01:00:50: i was going to trade the g500 towards the xai. when i tried it i found it not as comfortable and it has 3 less buttons as far as i can tell. it is real cool though. i do not know if i would need all those adjustments for just using windows and c#.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 01:10:15: Well, this is my breakdown of Xai vs. G500:

G500: feature-packed
Xai: back-to-basics

Same sensor, different styles. I got sick of the back-to-basics mouse after using a vanilla Deathadder (1800dpi 3G, the best sensor ever made bar none, not their new 3.5G ****) for 2 years, so I went for a feature-packed one this time and I'm happy with it.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 25 June 2010, 04:17:31: Never tried the G500. The G5 is pretty nice, a relative has one and I've used it a good bit. My main problem with it is that the middle mouse button sucks. The finish on it is a bit of an acquired taste to say the least...
Title: logitech g500
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 25 June 2010, 11:21:07: The G5 isn't nice. Crapple made it.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 25 June 2010, 12:17:02: Damn, what is that? A sausage sandwich?*

*That's not something I would want to be in the middle of.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 25 June 2010, 12:26:51: Quote from: microsoft windows;196288
The G5 isn't nice. Crapple made it.

This was an aborted fetus of a troll.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 25 June 2010, 12:48:52: I thought you were talking about poitín (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poitin) for a minute...
Title: logitech g500
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 25 June 2010, 13:02:33: Now you know where you Americans got the idea for moonshine from...
Title: logitech g500
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 25 June 2010, 13:47:33: Thus the US Whiskey Rebellion, which, if I'm not mistaken, involved largely western settlers of Irish descent.

I knew my History degree would come in handy at some point. I'm probably still wrong about the whole thing.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 25 June 2010, 18:39:58: Quote from: ripster;196320
Troll posts make me hungry.

So a couple of weeks ago I tried Poutine for the first time. Actually tasted good but I was smart enough to not eat the whole thing.
Show Image
(http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachments/dockside-chat/109910d1270997489-how-do-you-use-knife-fork-300px-poutine.jpg)

Yuck! It looks like someone took a crap, puked, then mixed it in a blender: voila, poutine.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: kishy on Fri, 25 June 2010, 18:42:32: Yet another Canadian thing you dislike. Shame on you.

Poutine is absolutely fantastic.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 18:42:47: Poutine is awesome. Ripster, where did you eat it? If you didn't eat it in Quebec, you didn't get the proper experience.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 25 June 2010, 19:33:28: Quote from: ripster;195850
Why, between these two posts I'd have to conclude....

It's A Crap!
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(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1395/4728970992_5e0b632668.jpg)

Oh look. You can tell by the lay-out of that keyboard the real troll's one of them Topre lovers.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 26 June 2010, 00:39:55: i lived in quebec and i know they love it. i am a vegan though.

i think the xai is just so geeky with all it's adjustments. uber cool. i want the extra buttons and feel i prefer though. plus i got my g500 for $35usd by haggling at bb.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sat, 26 June 2010, 10:46:20: Quote from: kishy;196450
Yet another Canadian thing you dislike. Shame on you.
Poutine is absolutely fantastic.

I never tried it, never will. I prefer pizza & juice.

Quote from: ripster;196457
Quebec is weird.

That's exactly what I was thinking... yeah... Quebec does feel like a foreign country. You practically trip on liberals.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: kishy on Sat, 26 June 2010, 13:54:56: Quote from: EverythingIBM;196666
That's exactly what I was thinking... yeah... Quebec does feel like a foreign country. You practically trip on liberals.

I've got news for you...the rest of the country views where you are as a foreign country.

Conservatives need to GTFO.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 26 June 2010, 22:16:04: i read a review that stated the xai has tactile switches that "click", ala mx blues. whereas the g500 uses micro switches that have no tactile feedback. uh, i have a g500 right here. that is news to me. granted, the xai' buttons are harder to depress but it does not click any "better" than the g500 imo. i could see where the xai is vastly superior for gaming at lans due to the multitude of onboard settings but i feel the g500 is a much better non gaming mouse. i can see why people have issues with it though. it is in fact marketed as a gaming mouse. in that respect maybe it is not the best. i wouldn't know.

hey, i'd like to take a momemnt to say i love this adesso! everyone, stuff a $75 bill in your pocket and go run and buy one lol. no, i do not work for them i speak english!

now, i return you to your regularly scheduled disgusting culinary and libation discussion!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Sat, 26 June 2010, 22:23:10: Non-gaming? Are you serious? You DO know that you take your own computer with you to LANs right? So this onboard setting bull**** is useless? Unless you want to install Counter-Strike on your grandmother's computer which for some reason cannot handle Steelseries drivers and play with your Xai.

How on earth is the G500 not a good gaming mouse? It has one of the best sensors on the market and the right and left click work. That's all you need to be a good gaming mouse.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 26 June 2010, 23:14:10: i have no idea. i was going by some review i saw. i don't know anything about gaming personally.

what about the switches? other than being harder to press the xai does not seem to have a "tactile feel" that the g500 is lacking. i guess it is a review by an idiot. i do not even remember where i saw it now.

for my needs as a non gamer i find the g500 vastly superior. both in comfort and function.
i suppose it is in fact darn good for games as well. of course there is that acceleration bs they talk about but the xai would have it as well then!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Sat, 26 June 2010, 23:21:23: Well, I never noticed acceleration until somebody mentioned it. Then I went into Setpoint and set acceleration to 0.

Tactile feel won't really make a gamer's mouse. The funny thing is, out of REAL professional gamers (and not people who play amateur leagues like CAL and CEVO), 98% use Intellimice.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 27 June 2010, 16:50:03: apparently the xai has the more customizable version of the sensor and the g500 has the more advanced version. hence the higher max dpi of the g500.

i took them both apart today. the xai is rather simple if one is going by parts count.

the wheel assy. for the g500 is rather complex as are other parts of the mouse.

i have read the teflon feet are not standard on the xai, that can't be right i'd hope.

both mice use the same style of microswitches on all their buttons. so much for the xai having some special tactile feel. which in fact i did not notice when i used it. so whomever stated that was in fact wrong.

i was trying to find a reason to have a xai but with the g500 and being a non gamer i cannot find one.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Mon, 28 June 2010, 22:26:10: the g500 is really too heavy without the weights even. the xai is too lite! i still prefer the g500. i accidently hit the left buttons on the xai and i cannot hit the right buttons without completely taking my hand off the mouse. i guess the perfect mouse for me does not exist yet. the xai is nicer for claw grip though. the button placement makes it kind of useless to me. then again the middle side button on the g500 gets in my way but i never accidently press it. the buttons are too easy to press on the xai imo. well, thats the left buttons. i cant even reach the right buttons. i think the xai is more comfortable but not being able to use the buttons, or lack thereof is a problem for me.

strange thing. if i google "xai" this site comes up with a lot of info. if you use this sites search it does not come up!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: gr1m on Mon, 28 June 2010, 22:41:31: I have the heaviest weights in my G500.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 18 September 2010, 23:40:20: I went from a normal mouse to the Logitech MX518 to the Razer Death Adder then finally to the Logitech G500 in that order.

The MX518 was one of the most comfortable mouse i ever used until it broke.

The Death Adder was a disaster i should never have bought. Sweat builds up on the plastic really easily. I didn't like the touch of it because of the hard plastic at the sides. The shiny plastic reminds me of some cheap quality build. The wheel can easily get dirty as well. My hand was aching a lot after using the Death Adder bottom line i hated it.

Then i went for a G500 which is basically an updated model of the MX518. MX518 was replaced by the G5 which in return was replaced by the G500.

The G500 has the same mold as the MX518 but updated as it has a neat wheel feature, the sides were texture which was nice to touch and have a good grip on the mouse compared to the Death Adder which was slick and shiny.

It's easy to adjust the DPI speed using the buttons on the mouse which was good. The scroller wheel can be toggled between 2 different modes. a Stiff wheel and a free rolling wheel. I use both for different situations :}

People complained that the middle button is a bit of a pain to click, and i sort of agree. But then again i never really bother middle clicking anyway.

Other complaints by others was regarding the side keys which was a bit of a sore because you can accidentally press another unintended key if you aren't careful. Yeah it does sort of feel like that, but then again i don't use the side keys at all.

So what matter to me was the nice scroller, dpi switch, weights, aesthetically pleasing mouse, comfortable to hold, nice texturing.

It's not perfect but it works for me :}

PS: The logitech Setpoint software is MUCH MUCH better than the Razer i used for the Death Adder. I have full control for configuring the mouse. I'm still tweaking it gradually to find the g spot, but atm i quite satisfied. I do use the light weights :} People complain about the weight but i am pretty ok with it. Even without any weights it feels light enough for me.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Tue, 21 September 2010, 18:02:58: i have grown to love this mouse. i never accidently press the side buttons.

setpoint does not completely work with the g500 on any of my machines. when you install the new setpoint it downgrades to 5 something. thats fine with me though
Title: logitech g500
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 24 September 2010, 20:45:32: I prefer the g5. I think it's mostly because of the scroll wheel. Even when the g500 is locked it still feels like it has too much momentum when you scroll with it. I also prefer the finish of the g5 over the g500 for the rougher feel.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: MahBoi on Sat, 25 September 2010, 01:16:30: The G500 is a pretty nice mouse. I got it on eBay back when I was a more active gamer; these days I tend to play games when I have nothing else to do. Even for standard use, it has some decent features, specifically the side buttons and the free wheel scroll mode. Even though I have a bit of buyer's remorse because I paid $70.00 for it and now don't even use most of the features it touts (seriously, who uses 5700 dpi?), it's still a quality mouse and feels comfortable enough for me to keep it around.

One note about the weights: Though I thought they were a pretty useless feature at first, I find that I need to keep the max weights in to improve the tracking. I don't necessarily like the extra friction, but without them, I get the squiggly cursor syndrome which is turrible, just turrible. It seems to happen on just about every surface I try without the weights. So while some may prefer with and some without, I basically need to have them in.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 25 September 2010, 04:20:01: Quote from: MahBoi;226524
One note about the weights: Though I thought they were a pretty useless feature at first, I find that I need to keep the max weights in to improve the tracking. I don't necessarily like the extra friction, but without them, I get the squiggly cursor syndrome which is turrible, just turrible. It seems to happen on just about every surface I try without the weights. So while some may prefer with and some without, I basically need to have them in.

You need to up the DPI, you probably set it too low compared to your screen resolution and it's not reading enough. Should also remove the acceleration if you have it on. And untick use native OS drivers for pointer speed and acceleration. That way it runs off the logitech software and change the speed to 5 and acceleration to 0. 5 = 1:1 movement or 6/11 on windows.

The jitter movement probably means angle snapping is off. So either your previous mouse had mouse correction by default(it draws straight lines in place of following your hand movements).

Or

If it's the other jitter that I've encountered then either the mouse is defective or it could be the mouse feet. I noticed a bit of jittering when you remove the mouse feet and use it without.

Best guess is the laser needs a certain amount of distance from the surface or something like that.

Strange though because the Avago 9500 reads like a standard laser it has no Z-axis or surface reading well except the surface analyzer like on the Mionix.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: vicariouscheese on Sat, 25 September 2010, 06:11:00: Quote from: gr1m;196817
Non-gaming? Are you serious? You DO know that you take your own computer with you to LANs right? So this onboard setting bull**** is useless? Unless you want to install Counter-Strike on your grandmother's computer which for some reason cannot handle Steelseries drivers and play with your Xai.

How on earth is the G500 not a good gaming mouse? It has one of the best sensors on the market and the right and left click work. That's all you need to be a good gaming mouse.

generally, the bigger the lan, the less likely its byoc. and when its not byoc, youre not allowed to install anything, so thats why some people want native 1000hz polling or on board dpi settings

also, top players dont think the g500 is a good gaming mouse because the sensor has acceleration issues. i dont like it because i dont like the weights, and without the weights the center of gravity is up front, plus i like having the sensor be in the middle- this makes a huge difference for low sens/palm users. dont know if it has prediction, but the mx518 does (and is a widely used mouse) so thats not too much of an issue, more of preference.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: MahBoi on Sat, 25 September 2010, 20:03:39: Quote from: Arc'xer;226534
You need to up the DPI, you probably set it too low compared to your screen resolution and it's not reading enough. Should also remove the acceleration if you have it on. And untick use native OS drivers for pointer speed and acceleration. That way it runs off the logitech software and change the speed to 5 and acceleration to 0. 5 = 1:1 movement or 6/11 on windows.

The jitter movement probably means angle snapping is off. So either your previous mouse had mouse correction by default(it draws straight lines in place of following your hand movements).

Thanks for the response.

I've been using 3000 dpi, since I have a small desk and movement is really limited, so I was pretty sure it wasn't that.

I've also had mouse acceleration off since day one since I absolutely hate it for any application, gaming or not. That one was a natch.

However, I'd always overlooked the angle snap option because I was never really sure what it did. So I turned it on, and lo and behold, no more jitters. That seemed to do the trick. Now I can use the mouse without the weights, which makes me really happy. Thanks for the suggestions!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 25 September 2010, 22:11:11: Yeah I thought it was that, some are more sensitive to their mouse than others.

Basically every 5-10 degrees of deviation it'll straighten out your path. It's nice for fine straight lines like an editor or something to that nature. But it's just additional layer of interpolation, when using the mouse and wanting the most correlation to direct feedback of action.

Something else you want to do is keep the polling rate at 500Hz, since it's more consistent. 1000Hz fluctuates a lot between 600-900.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 26 September 2010, 22:54:36: it is great for my general usage and programing. i don't game at all. as a gaming mouse i hear it has shortcomings. i wanted to clarify what i am using it for and it works very well for that.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 13 December 2010, 04:36:51: This is my settings in the SetPoint software.

Pointer settings

acceleration to 0

disable native OS drivers

speed set to 5

acceleration set to 0

disable angle snapping

poll rate set to 500

Number of dpi levels you can have any number from 1 to 5. I use 3 settings although you could set to 5 settings and that would be fine as well.

the x and y axis will have bar selectors depending on how many dpi level options you selected. Anyway since i used 3; i only configured the 3 DPI levels as 800/1200/1600
so both x and y would be say e.g. 800 etc.

scrolling settings

vertical 1

horizontal 7

Some people had some interesting things to say comparing the Mx518 sensor vs the G500
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/I-need-help-updating-g500-firmware/m-p/404068

But still i like the G500 for the overall build. The sensor settings is highly adjustable and most likely i will in time find the gspot for my mouse handling.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 18 December 2010, 05:14:26: there is a majer issue with the g500! some poeple may have this happen to them.

the g500 pulls more current from the usb bus than the specification allowes.

many machines will tolarate this fine. especially newer ones tend to have ramped up usb specs.

on machines that cannot tolerate it a number of bad issues can occur. from power saving not working to complete unstability.

if you have a g500 and have been pulling out your hair wondering why your machine is not stable. i'd look at the g500.

this can be solved on machines that have an issue by either unplugging all other usb devices from that channel on the mobo(ports that are next to each other). or by getting a powered usb hub.

it is no wonder this thing draws so much current. it is one hefty mouse.

of course logitechs east indian tech support does not know this but i do.

also if you are just using the mouse for general duty i would forgo setpoint alltogether. just save your profile and uninstall setpoint.

anyways, quriks aside i love this mouse!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: BlueRain on Fri, 24 December 2010, 01:57:08: Just curious what people use for their DPI settings. I'm trying to experiment with the x- and y- axis separately. Currently using 4800:2700 (16:9).
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Fri, 24 December 2010, 06:40:25: i never tried that. like i said mine was set on 2400 for both and i did not even know it. i think something might be wrong with mine because i can actually use 5700.

i'd burn the rom and uninstall setpoint unless you need macros.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: BlueRain on Fri, 24 December 2010, 15:11:20: Quote from: typo;268235
i never tried that. like i said mine was set on 2400 for both and i did not even know it. i think something might be wrong with mine because i can actually use 5700.

i'd burn the rom and uninstall setpoint unless you need macros.

Wouldn't that mess up the polling rate which is configured via SetPoint?
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Fri, 24 December 2010, 18:39:13: nope. without setpoint the default on this mouse is 1000. or set it to 1000 in setpoint and then uninstall it. the reg key will remain. try this page

http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html

setpoint is a huge resource hog and has some bugs. especially with the g500. the newer setpoint is not compatable with the g500 and automatically downgrades on installation. if you are gaming you might want it though. you cannot reconfigure the buttons without it. i may write something smaller to reconfigure the buttons but i doubt logitech will let me distribute it.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 25 December 2010, 18:45:24: forgot to mention. the higher the polling rate the more cpu cycles it uses. not a problem with modern 4 or 8 core cpus unless you are taxing the poop out of them with a game. which is exactly what the g500 is for. so one really needs to find a balance of all the machines settings so the game will get high fps. still, with dual 8 core xeons it's not really much of an issue.
if someone is running a celeron i would not set the polling rate to 1000. that is like 5% on that cpu.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 01 January 2011, 19:10:35: i don't understand how this thing is not too fast for me on 5700 dpi. it obviously is not working right. of course logitech simply offers to send another one. some tech support. i guess it is cheaper to pay some east indian guy and send a new mouse than offer decent support. the problem is none of them work right. i need some stinking support on this. darnit. it will move fast if i crank the speed slider but that is not resolution it is acceleration.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: BlueRain on Sat, 01 January 2011, 20:26:22: I tried it on 5700/5700 and it felt fast, but not like uncontrollably fast. I am not sure where your expectation lies.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 02 January 2011, 20:25:05: hmm. this mouse simply is not fast enough then with windows controls. i guess i do need set point installed. the joke is logitech replaced it twice!
i mean that was very nice of them but i'd think they would have some tech support. i figured 5700 would be completely uncontrolable. with set points speed slider it is plenty fast. with windows slider maxed out it is not fast enough. in fact 1200 dpi is fine with the slider 2 notches past the middle in setpoint.

now, i do not understand why setponit says 4.3 after i install it but it is 6 something i installed. i guess it does not matter. it just makes me unhappy that the mouse driver is some 40mb. then again it is more than just a mouse driver. overall this has been my favorite mouse so far. i guess you need different x and y if you have a wide screen. i don't have one.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 02 January 2011, 23:47:01: i figured it out. it works fine with a logitech driver in device manager extracted from setpoint. then i uninstalled setpoint.

it is at 2000 dpi with the slider 2 notches past the middle in windows. i can't imagine how slow the mouse must be for people that have 32"+ displays nowdays.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: phillip on Tue, 04 January 2011, 12:17:20: I like my g500, but I still can't find the perfect settings for it for cs :(
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Tue, 04 January 2011, 23:53:17: i think it is probably a bad gaming mouse in fact. even though i don't game. you have to be real careful not to hit the wrong side button and let the scroll free. if i had to whip it around fast i doubt i'd be happy with it. of course ymmv. it is afterall sold as a gaming mouse.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: phillip on Wed, 05 January 2011, 07:57:08: I have zero issues with the side buttons and the scroll wheel, I just can't find the perfect dpi/sensitivity settings.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 30 January 2011, 03:33:47: i now have the xai. to me it is far more comfortable than the g500. it is feather light and i did not even have weights in the g500. it also seems to be much more precise. not hitting the side buttons as i am right handed took a few hours to adjust to. i thought the g500 was great but i like the xai better now. i do miss all the buttons. the xai has tilt "buttons" however i have not gotten them to function. apparently they don't. that is not a deal breaker for me since it is simply much more comfortable in my hand. it does not get all sweaty but i am guessing it is going to require regular cleaning. i still have a couple of g500's. so if i change my mind.....
Title: logitech g500
Post by: phillip on Sun, 30 January 2011, 19:25:53: i ordered a zowie ec2 the other day

hoping ill like it more than the g500 :)
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Wed, 02 February 2011, 07:39:50: the zowie has a good shape like the xai. i don't think it has advanced electronics like the xai or g500 though. doesn't even matter. the electronics in those is overkill. i hope you like it. the g500 has great features but it was too big and heavy once i felt the xai. the problem with the xai is it has majer bugs that are not worked out. i certainly would not rely on it to win games. i can't see how pro's would use it. maybe mine is a dud.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: manfaux on Thu, 03 February 2011, 00:29:02: Quote from: typo;288735
the zowie has a good shape like the xai. i don't think it has advanced electronics like the xai or g500 though. doesn't even matter. the electronics in those is overkill. i hope you like it. the g500 has great features but it was too big and heavy once i felt the xai. the problem with the xai is it has majer bugs that are not worked out. i certainly would not rely on it to win games. i can't see how pro's would use it. maybe mine is a dud.

do you know if the G9x has the same problem of drawing excessive current as well? My friend said he can hear a low-pitch current noise from his G9x, could be the same problem.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: phillip on Thu, 03 February 2011, 08:03:41: i've been using the ec2 for a few days now. it's great :D
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Fri, 04 February 2011, 20:35:02: i was wrong. steel series software is so buggy it simply was not for me. i had heard this but i had to find out for myself. also the g500 is not as comfortable as the mx518 for me but overall it won out the xai. i thought the xai was more comfortable for me but it was not. also i find all the extra settings the xai has only serve to make it less precise. regardless of what they are set too. i apologize for recommending the xai and then changing my mind. i try a lot of different stuff and then go back to what was the least of the evil's.
ymmv. not with steel series software though. it is just very poor coding.

all these mice have the same sensor. so i suppose they all draw out of spec current. if it is humming that is not a good thing i'd guess. it could be some other electronics in the mouse though.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sun, 06 February 2011, 20:15:32: i can't wait until the corded version of the mx700 comes out! why do they always introduce the top product as wireless? it has the same sensor but i love the extra and easier to use buttons.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: manfaux on Tue, 08 February 2011, 14:06:27: Quote from: typo;291001
i can't wait until the corded version of the mx700 comes out! why do they always introduce the top product as wireless? it has the same sensor but i love the extra and easier to use buttons.

I just want the next flagship G series from them NOW,

the G9 has been out now for 3 years, it feels awkward in my hand with/without grip, but an excellent mouse nonetheless, maybe logitech can whip up something more sensible for their next G mouse, the G9x was quite disappointing in that sense.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Wed, 16 February 2011, 13:17:20: This is an interesting and informative thread. After a ton of research (this forum being part of that research), my mouse choice was narrowed down to either the Xai or the G500.
I'm pretty sure that I'll be getting a G500, before the end of next week. :)
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Wed, 16 February 2011, 14:12:18: I have a G500. Very, very nice mouse.

I didn't know it at the time, but when I picked it as the most comfortable at Best Buy it was because it has the same body as the Logitech mouse I'd been using before; but more features and a better sensor.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Boyiee on Wed, 16 February 2011, 15:20:50: I can't believe some of the negativity in this thread towards the G500, it saddens me!

In the past year I've used the G5, G7, Deathadder, Mamba, and G500 - I've used them for sessions of FPS (cod blackops/BF:BC2) and MMO gaming (wow) and had put a minimum of 1 weeks worth of use at 4-10hours of gaming a day on each.

I have to say that nothing comes close to the G500, the first thing that sold me was the inifinite scroll mousewheel. It was great for my warrior in wow. I put the most use into both the G5 and G500, so I guess I'm more biased. But I really did give the razer's a chance.

Also, on black friday, they were 35$ from newegg and I bought one for my sister and a friend. One was using a Razer, and the other a G7 - both couldn't be happier. The macro buttons are fantastic for wow, perfect placement, and the middle mouse isn't a hassle to click.

I kind of want to get a G700 now just for the hell of it because I like this one so much.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Wed, 16 February 2011, 16:14:09: I've read a lot of g500 reviews. Some state a big con as the g500's limitation of only being able to store one profile. Some tout its ability to store multiple profiles. Which one is true?
Title: logitech g500
Post by: phillip on Wed, 16 February 2011, 19:54:48: I'm pretty sure it can store multiple profiles but I never tried so I dunno
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Wed, 16 February 2011, 21:44:41: This is all that the Logitech site has to say about memory.

"You can store your settings and ready-to-play profile on the on-board memory and take it with you anywhere.**"

"You can save your settings on the mouse. A ready-to-play profile (for keyboard macros and dpi settings) stores critical info for your favorite title.**"

Kinda sounds like it's only one onboard profile.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: Airscrew on Thu, 17 February 2011, 00:43:26: I own and use a g500 which I am very happy with. I got it because I like the shape, but the fantastic scroll wheel was unexpected bonus. Originally, I was going to get a similarly shaped black mx518, but I found the raised logo badge on the top of the mouse was in the most sensitive part of my palm.

I'll admit that I haven't messed around with creating profiles because I didn't want to install the Logicool software. But my understanding is that the g500's onboard memory can store only a single profile. Other (application specific) profiles are possible, but they are stored on the computer and are activated through SetPoint.

In contrast, I read that the g700 and the g9 can store up to five profiles which can be switched between with a physical button. Perhaps there will be a future revision of the g500 with more onboard memory profiles. But does anyone actually use them? I'd be interested to hear some real usage stories.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Thu, 17 February 2011, 09:47:38: I don't know because I've never had a mouse with the ability.

This raises a question. Is the normal everyday usage, 'scroll up, scroll down, right click, left click menu, page forward, etc., etc.' counted as a profile that has to be changed via the software before game play?

Another question concerns the scroll wheel: It's a button and it scrolls up and down and side to side. Can each operation be programmed; ie. scroll down=primary weapon, scroll up=secondary weapon,
scroll right=grenade, scroll left=melee weapon and click=reload??????

Someone who knows say 'yes' and make my day. :party:
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Thu, 17 February 2011, 21:08:59: at first when i got the xai i thought it was more comfortable because it was smaller. it put my hand in an awkward posiiton. went back to the g500 and it's like an old friend. there's a g700? seriously. i'll go check logitech. if there is, must have!

oh, i already mentioned that but i thought it was an mx. like i said, why always the flagship mouse from logitech wireless? i don't do wireless. has the same sensor. more buttons. must have more buttons!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Fri, 18 February 2011, 09:29:57: Quote from: typo;297020
... went back to the g500 and it's like an old friend.

typo,

How programmable is your old friends scroll wheel?
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Fri, 18 February 2011, 11:19:40: Quote from: typo;297020
more buttons. must have more buttons!

Here ya go. Double clicking function change, too!

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366185,00.asp (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2366185,00.asp)
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 19 February 2011, 20:46:24: the scroll wheel can do any shortcut or macro you want. including the tilt. you must have setpoint installed however.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Sat, 19 February 2011, 20:49:30: war mouse looks awesome and it is priced really good for what it is. i hope it is comfortable for me.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Sun, 20 February 2011, 17:08:38: Quote from: typo;298043
war mouse looks awesome and it is priced really good for what it is. i hope it is comfortable for me.

Don't neglect your left hand! :juggle:
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Sun, 20 February 2011, 17:20:14: Quote from: typo;298042
the scroll wheel can do any shortcut or macro you want. including the tilt. you must have setpoint installed however.

I guess eventually I'll learn about macros, but for now I have more buttons than I know what to do with. :biggrin1: I bought the G500 today and I'm really impressed. I've got 5 different programs just on the scroll wheel (up, down, left, right and press). The press needs to be definite, but otherwise, it's not a problem. I have 3 other programs for the side buttons and I'm keeping the dpi buttons for dpi experimenting. I love this f#*king mouse!
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Mon, 21 February 2011, 01:29:16: i tried the g700 today and i will not be looking forward to a corded version.
the g500 has less buttons but the buttons it has are far superior. the g700 does not have clicky buttons and they give no feeling that you have engaged them. the scroll wheel on the g500 is the best i have ever seen. metal with a rubber grip ring. the wheel on the g700 appears to be standard plastic. also the tilt does not have tactile feedback much like the mx1000. i have tried almost all current mice now. the g500 may not have as many buttons as some. overall it is simply superior in ergonomics to any other mouse imo. of course ymmv. mice are a personal fit. i have yet to find a better more precise mouse than the g500. i do not have the acceleration issue since i move very slow for what i do. i have also heard if you set the dpi to 1500 or less, let setpoint use the os controls and set those to the 6th. bar there will be no acceleration issue. that is if you are playing games. of course for c#,autocad,matlab and various visual sdk's this mouse is a lot more than fun and games. i probably put more miles on it than i do on my car. my wrist couldn't feel better. combined with cherry blues, a good desk and chair i should be devoid of any office injuries. people think that is a joke but it is far from a joke. ask someone with carpal tunnel.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Mon, 21 February 2011, 10:20:22: I checked out the g700 last month when it was on sale at FutureShop. I wasn't blown away.

typo,

I haven't been able to enable the Set Point automatic application detection of Nexon's Combat Arms fps game. Any clues?
Title: logitech g500
Post by: typo on Mon, 21 February 2011, 10:53:49: i honestly have no idea how setpoint recognizes applications.
it does not recognize software decelopment tools of course. not that i need it to.
maybe it has built in "templates" for a lot of games and does not have that one. that's just a guess.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Mon, 21 February 2011, 17:18:58: I sent the Logitech 'help' people a question about it. I'm wondering if Nexon's hack shield might be the problem.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: singgirler on Thu, 24 February 2011, 20:52:55: x2, gr1m! sheesh.
Title: logitech g500
Post by: fingers of death on Sun, 27 February 2011, 07:48:35: Quote from: singgirler;300597
x2, gr1m! sheesh.

What does that mean?

P. S. The problem is solved, btw.

... and macros are pretty easy, too. :)
Title: logitech g500
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 27 February 2011, 07:54:08: Where the hell IS gr1m anyway? We all thought he moved to Germany since he likes cherry blacks.