This thread and title is clickbait, change my mind.
This thread and title is clickbait, change my mind.
Not sure how vintage switches are a myth. If you had an MX switch made in 1988 its not vintage in relation to modern MX 32 years later?This thread and title is clickbait, change my mind.
I explained my position with reasons why. Could you possibly do the same? Nobody can change anybody's mind just going off of nejerk statements with no supporting arguments. There's been a lot of talk, all around the internet, for years about the supposed smoothness of vintage Cherry MX Black (in particular) switches. I can't seem to find an actual concrete example of this.
I, personally, can't understand the appeal of browns. They feel particularly gritty to me, and it is difficult to even notice their tactility outside of when they start to feel more scratchy. It seems to me that you're better off with reds, or other tactile alternatives like alps, but I'm no tactile connoisseur either.
It makes sense from a scientific point of view that the tooling wore out over the years and became rough. Therefore I don't think it's a clean break, which makes comparing difficult in some cases, but that said, when I try an old model next to a relatively modern one, I do feel a difference.
Of course, if you want smooth linears, these are still not the ones you need to turn to.
Browns just fail miserably. There is no point to them.
Not sure how vintage switches are a myth. If you had an MX switch made in 1988 its not vintage in relation to modern MX 32 years later?This thread and title is clickbait, change my mind.
I explained my position with reasons why. Could you possibly do the same? Nobody can change anybody's mind just going off of nejerk statements with no supporting arguments. There's been a lot of talk, all around the internet, for years about the supposed smoothness of vintage Cherry MX Black (in particular) switches. I can't seem to find an actual concrete example of this.
I, personally, can't understand the appeal of browns. They feel particularly gritty to me, and it is difficult to even notice their tactility outside of when they start to feel more scratchy. It seems to me that you're better off with reds, or other tactile alternatives like alps, but I'm no tactile connoisseur either.
If you are arguing that vintage switches arent always super smooth then I agree. Its batch dependent and the amount the switch was used will affect feel. But from this thread title it makes me believe the former and when I read the OP I started to feel both the former and latter. Just because a vintage switch has the same smoothness as a modern switch doesnt mean it isnt vintage, it doesnt change the age of either switch.
I really don't know what the point of this thread is and honestly the title is still clickbait, nothing will change that.
snipIt was shown through material testing that cherry did change the material of their switches sometime in between 1994-95. That is why many people consider this to be the cutoff point for vintage switches (with the exceptions of MX browns since they were designed to be "ergonomic" for kinesis' standards back in the early to mid 90s. Vint browns are usually considered to be 1992-98). Post 94 for mx blacks usually arent great smooth switches which is why vintage switches became so popular for people before cherry redesigned MX again three or so years ago. Of course different batches have different smoothness'. People get this conception that cherry retooled for the first time a few years ago but thats not possible at all. A high quality H13 grade steel could give you half a million mouldings or more depending on the part/plastic and how hot it is being injected into the mold. The maintenance of the mold, etc.
Browns are good.