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Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: Dirty Bint on Wed, 16 June 2010, 16:37:08

Get your bintin hats on for what possibly looks like an early Model M listed on eBay Germany? A nice item for the Euro boys to bint on, €25 to start at and the vendor ships world wide. It looks ripe for a clean up and a resale.

The cat is out of the bag for all you binters who hoped this would be a secret steal !!

Bint On !!


http://cgi.ebay.de/IBM-Tastatur-Original-XT-AT-/320545805346?cmd=ViewItem&pt=M%C3%A4use_Tastaturen&hash=item4aa204d422


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Dirty Bint

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: phoenix on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:02:54

I am speechless. How in the world did you come to even the suspicion that this is a Model F?

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: kishy on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:08:37

DB did a copy-paste job for his two recent threads...still no excuse, this is a Model M, not even remotely like an F in appearance, but we all make mistakes.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:12:42

I was going to get out the brandishing iron and say the same thing lol.

Yeh dirty bint, cannye nay see thissbe a Model M laddie?

Yuck, and it's missing the LED panel and has the old AT cord. They're cool because they're black and more curly? But that's about it. Mine would have had the same type of cord, but my stupid school lost it somewhere.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: phoenix on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:18:48

Kishy, I realized that later, but I saw this post first.

DB, may I know what bint means? It's not in any dictionaries I can find and I'm not a native speaker. It seems to be a universal verb for you.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:19:54

The label is ripped, but it is a Model M P/N 1390123, or equivalent.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:22:37

Quote from: ch_123;193780

The label is ripped, but it is a Model M P/N 1390123, or equivalent.

It's a silly european model M. Layout is terrible. Why can't europeans use a PROPER US layout?

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:26:44

There's an argument to be made for continental languages that need dedicated keys for accented vowels (then again, a lot of programmers from said countries use the US layout because their native layouts put symbol keys in stupid places).

Then there's things like the UK/Irish layout which is basically the US layout, except with some subtle and pointless changes to be awkward...

(http://www.preater.com/modelm/images/model-m-front-large1.jpg)

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: Dirty Bint on Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:29:54

Quote from: phoenix;193779

DB, may I know what bint means? It's not in any dictionaries I can find and I'm not a native speaker. It seems to be a universal verb for you.

Try a "google", us "Bints" can use the word as we please, nouns, verbs, adjectives, you name it, we bint it.


Rgds
Dirty Bint

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 16 June 2010, 19:40:19

Quote from: ch_123;193784

There's an argument to be made for continental languages that need dedicated keys for accented vowels (then again, a lot of programmers from said countries use the US layout because their native layouts put symbol keys in stupid places).

Then there's things like the UK/Irish layout which is basically the US layout, except with some subtle and pointless changes to be awkward...

Show Image

(http://www.preater.com/modelm/images/model-m-front-large1.jpg)

I can type in Russian perfectly on a normal US layout (I guess one could say that's ironic).... I don't even need to see where the characters are. So if people are too stupid to memorize the extra symbols, then, they shouldn't be using a computer.

There's only ONE layout. All the rest suck.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 17 June 2010, 04:16:59

The creatures outside looked from MW to EIBM, and from EIBM to MW, and from EIBM to MW again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 17 June 2010, 16:58:35

Quote from: EverythingIBM;193827

There's only ONE layout. All the rest suck.

The One True Layout (tm) for anyone is the one that that person is used to ...

Quote from: ripster;193795

This is why the Chairman of British Petroleum calls the former colonists "SMALL PEOPLE"! (http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2010/06/16/n_bpchairman_dividend.cnnmoney/)

He used a Swedish expression, not recognizing that it is completely backwards when translated. Still quite condescending, though.
He was the CEO of Ericsson before. I hate that guy.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 17 June 2010, 17:07:50

Quote from: Findecanor;194036

The One True Layout (tm) for anyone is the one that that person is used to ...

Exactly. To go back to EIBM's point - the Russian keyboard layout is also ANSI... but then again, Russian doesn't use a lot of accented vowels AFAIK, whereas something like French uses them so often than relying on deadkeys or Alt-Gr would become excruciating. Try learning every language in the world, typing it on your US keyboard, and get back to us with your findings.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 18 June 2010, 02:14:36

Quote from: ch_123;194039

Exactly. To go back to EIBM's point - the Russian keyboard layout is also ANSI... but then again, Russian doesn't use a lot of accented vowels AFAIK, whereas something like French uses them so often than relying on deadkeys or Alt-Gr would become excruciating. Try learning every language in the world, typing it on your US keyboard, and get back to us with your findings.

ё & Ё for example. It would be used in something like "Ёжик".

French sucks. Stupid french class, forcing us to take it. I'd rather... use a mac or a dell than be in french class, and that's saying something.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: Dirty Bint on Fri, 18 June 2010, 03:25:04

Quote from: EverythingIBM;194160

ё & Ё for example. It would be used in something like "Ёжик".

French sucks. Stupid french class, forcing us to take it.

That is a consequence of your subjugation by your conquerors from the motherland and the legacy of your historic subservience to your European master, "Vive La France..."

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 18 June 2010, 04:34:29

At least French is somewhat useful. We're still forced to learn Irish in schools because of the closet IRA mentality of the people who run our country.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 18 June 2010, 06:08:32

Be thankful you don't have to learn Gaelic or Welsh. People would never know whether you're speaking or sneezing.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: British on Fri, 18 June 2010, 09:03:09

So much french-bashing, oh my...

Anyway, is this keyboard any good (as much as theorizing goes) ?
I'd go for it, but shipping is stupidly pricey: 25€ to anywhere besides Germany...

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 18 June 2010, 21:46:02

Quote from: British;194268

So much french-bashing, oh my...

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11282&stc=1&d=1276915548)

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 19 June 2010, 04:06:07

Quote from: British;194268

So much french-bashing, oh my...

Anyway, is this keyboard any good (as much as theorizing goes) ?
I'd go for it, but shipping is stupidly pricey: 25€ to anywhere besides Germany...

Given its age, the springs are probably worn out, and the rivets popped. Would need some refurbishing to return it to good shape.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: kishy on Sat, 19 June 2010, 11:03:35

EIBM, you seem to hate so much about Canada, so why don't you move to the US instead?

Oh right, Obama is making it too Canada-like (otherwise known as functional).

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 19 June 2010, 11:46:08

Him and MW could buy a shack together, drive around in a pickup truck and drink beer all day.

I must say, if I was ever to move elsewhere, it would probably be Canada. It seems to be the only semi-sane place that doesn't require learning another language.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: kishy on Sat, 19 June 2010, 12:29:37

Quote from: ch_123;194690

Him and MW could buy a shack together, drive around in a pickup truck and drink beer all day.

I must say, if I was ever to move elsewhere, it would probably be Canada. It seems to be the only semi-sane place that doesn't require learning another language.

The Pierre Trudeau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliott_Trudeau) reference (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=194465&postcount=13) ticked me off. Not everyone has to love Canada but you sure as hell don't knock Canada citing positive attributes, points that we're proud of, as reasons.

You, ch, would be welcome in Canada...Irish beer and all.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sat, 19 June 2010, 14:56:25

Quote from: kishy;194683

EIBM, you seem to hate so much about Canada, so why don't you move to the US instead?

Oh right, Obama is making it too Canada-like (otherwise known as functional).

I am actually part french you know.
Obama doesn't know what he's doing, yeah, he's making it like when Canada was under Trudeau. Ruining the economy and causing inflation.

There are things that bother me about the states (I hate accents, not enough food variety, healthcare is expensive, etc) -- I'm actually quite satisfied where I live... just the rest of Canada has issues lol. That doesn't sound arrogant at all, no not at all.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 19 June 2010, 15:09:25

Bush's smartest move was to **** up the economy so bad that people blamed the guy who had to fix the problem for their woes.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: InSanCen on Sat, 19 June 2010, 17:55:25

Quote from: ricercar;194208

Be thankful you don't have to learn Gaelic or Welsh. People would never know whether you're speaking or sneezing.

As a teenager I was fairly proficient with Welsh (Despite being English, and brought up in Scotland). You tend to spray somewhat when speaking ;-) Some of the more unusual sounds really get people, and separates recent arrivals very quickly. For instance, Any ideas how you would go about pronouncing "Llangollen"? (The name of a town fairly close to me).

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 19 June 2010, 18:36:50

Loo-an-go-lin?

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: J888www on Sat, 19 June 2010, 18:48:12

Learning French, Welsh etcetera can be useful in certain circumstances. When I was a child, I had to learn Latin and it wasn't an option.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sat, 19 June 2010, 23:48:36

Quote from: J888www;194793

Learning French, Welsh etcetera can be useful in certain circumstances. When I was a child, I had to learn Latin and it wasn't an option.

Latin is extremely useful. You can read the writings of Francis Bacon, Edward de Vere, King James I, George Buchanan, and whoever else.

Here you go!

Quote

Idem Latinè.
INSANO tumidæ gentes coiere tumult,
Ausæ, insigne nefas, bello ultro ciere tonantem,
Mars sese accinxit, metuenda tot agmina nunquam,
Visa ferunt, properare truces miro ordine turmæ,
Nosque mari & terra sæuo clasere duello,
Exitium diraque minantes strage ruinam;
Irrita sed tristi lugent conamina sine:
Nam laceras iecit ventus ludibria puppes,
Et mersit rapidis turgescens montibus æquor.
Fœlix communi qui euasit clade superstes,
Dum reliquos misero, deglutit abyssus hiatu.
   Qui vis tanta cadit? quis totque stupenda peregit?
Vanos Ioua sacro conatus risit Olympo.

Per Metellanum Cancellarium.

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: Dirty Bint on Sun, 20 June 2010, 04:10:23

Quote from: InSanCen;194783

As a teenager I was fairly proficient with Welsh ...........how you would go about pronouncing "Llangollen"?

I see you still have a fondness for the sheep.... baaaaa.

Clan......etc  is how it is pronounced.


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Dirty Bint

Title: IBM Model F eBay Germany
Post by: InSanCen on Mon, 21 June 2010, 05:02:30

Quote from: Dirty Bint;194910

I see you still have a fondness for the sheep.... baaaaa.

Clan......etc  is how it is pronounced.


Rgds
Dirty Bint

Fondness for sheep? Only if they are at the edge of a cliff... they push back then.

Almost right... the double L's are pronounced by hissing "th" using the side of your teeth. It's not something that translates to text very well unless you have heard it before. Almost like a Lisp in some ways.  I suspect that a Youtube clip is unlikely to surface showing how it's pronounced. The double D's (in Rhuddlan for example) are far easier, it's pretty much plain old "th" in a similar way to how you would say "The".

And Welsh is useful... if you live in Wales, and work in Retail. A surprising number of people don't (or just plain won't) speak English.