Post by: Arezok on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:19:50
New Thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106507.0
Post by: shxWN on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:26:13
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Post by: 002 DC on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:42:42
Post by: Aloyz0991 on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:46:29
Post by: Arezok on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:52:38
Any renders with a USB port??
Unfortunately not at the moment. The PCB is still being developed but the intent is to have the USB port centered in the board.
That's pretty high on my list though.
Looks absolutely gorgeous, one thing I don’t like is the separated escape but other than that nice job!
Definitely interested! The Esc may be a dealbreaker for some but with all the dank 75s we've been seeing lately, I feel like this design sets the board apart quite nicely.
We're pretty fond of the separated escape key, but we'll definitely consider changing that if there's enough pressure to do so.
Post by: 002 DC on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:55:01
Post by: Arezok on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:01:48
So did you order a proto with no usb port? (Your ic is implying you bought one proto without a usb port)
Yes, you are correct. I can get the USB port machined at a local shop. I needed to get a prototype in hand to determine what tolerances needed to be tweaked to ensure the upper case and the accent plate would fit together without leaving too much of a gap or being too difficult to assemble.
Post by: honoka on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:04:32
So did you order a proto with no usb port? (Your ic is implying you bought one proto without a usb port)you seem very anxious when it comes to renders and usb ports.
OP, you do you. don't change the placement of the esc key. you intentionally put it there and it's unique
Post by: 002 DC on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:06:27
Just for future reference that isn't a good way to approach prototyping. If you're testing tolerances it really should be with a pcb, plate and many types of switches.
Post by: 002 DC on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:09:51
So did you order a proto with no usb port? (Your ic is implying you bought one proto without a usb port)you seem very anxious when it comes to renders and usb ports.
OP, you do you. don't change the placement of the esc key. you intentionally put it there and it's unique
I'm only saying it's preferable to have one full proto at the start compared to waiting for a pcb. You could easily find an open source pcb and place a usb port step file to extrude a cutout
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:19:59
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Post by: Arezok on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:54:42
So did you order a proto with no usb port? (Your ic is implying you bought one proto without a usb port)you seem very anxious when it comes to renders and usb ports.
OP, you do you. don't change the placement of the esc key. you intentionally put it there and it's unique
I'm only saying it's preferable to have one full proto at the start compared to waiting for a pcb. You could easily find an open source pcb and place a usb port step file to extrude a cutout
That's a fair point and I appreciate the input. My thought was that it doesn't affect the construction of the board, so I didn't think it was a deal breaker to leave out at this point. It's a little late now for the prototype, but that's a lesson learned. I'll work on the model and update the renders this week.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:59:56
Post by: phabulous on Mon, 09 March 2020, 21:20:58
So did you order a proto with no usb port? (Your ic is implying you bought one proto without a usb port)you seem very anxious when it comes to renders and usb ports.
OP, you do you. don't change the placement of the esc key. you intentionally put it there and it's unique
I'm only saying it's preferable to have one full proto at the start compared to waiting for a pcb. You could easily find an open source pcb and place a usb port step file to extrude a cutout
That's a fair point and I appreciate the input. My thought was that it doesn't affect the construction of the board, so I didn't think it was a deal breaker to leave out at this point. It's a little late now for the prototype, but that's a lesson learned. I'll work on the model and update the renders this week.
I dunno man, I prefer my ports not just to be a gaping hole you stick the cable in so I would imagine that a USB port properly designed would affect the construction of the board.
Post by: Thighs on Mon, 09 March 2020, 21:57:40
Post by: Butterbeer on Tue, 10 March 2020, 01:40:32
I usually don't like logos in functional space, but as a showpiece this would be amazing just to stare at and have on display.
Post by: benfrain on Tue, 10 March 2020, 03:19:00
Personally don’t like the logo there. Would rather have an extra key to allow for home/end/pg up/pg down.
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 10 March 2020, 04:55:15
Post by: danieljgrouse on Tue, 10 March 2020, 05:56:26
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Post by: hottrout on Tue, 10 March 2020, 06:49:09
Post by: Arezok on Tue, 10 March 2020, 14:26:22
The design is lovely, I personally find the layout to be interesting too - only real "downside" for me is the fact that it obviously benefits from an accented plate (be it brass or coloured aluminium) and I massively favour plastic plates but other than that, great.
The accent surrounding each group is actually separate from the switch plate. So you could still use a plastic plate if you wanted. I'll add that to the interest check form!
Wireless??
Unfortunately not. Sorry!
I dunno man, I prefer my ports not just to be a gaping hole you stick the cable in so I would imagine that a USB port properly designed would affect the construction of the board.
I understand the concern. I can assure you it won't be treated as an afterthought.
i was going to get a sakura660, but man... this one is hot. will surely keep an eye on this one!
¿Por que no los? :) I'm glad you like it!
I can see a very good use for this board as a showpiece to show off artisan(s).
I usually don't like logos in functional space, but as a showpiece this would be amazing just to stare at and have on display.
One of my coworkers saw me working on this during lunch and said the same thing!
Really like the key groupings. Aesthetically I always think they look odd but in use the physical differentiator is very useful.
Personally don’t like the logo there. Would rather have an extra key to allow for home/end/pg up/pg down.
I'm glad to hear a lot of people like the accents around the keys. I personally like the logo because it provides a symmetry to the offset Esc key, but I'd consider alternatives depending on the results of the interest check!
Are the plate and key border the same piece of metal?
No, I separated the Switch plate from the key border (I call it the Accent Plate for lack of a better term). This way the switch plate can be swapped out while maintaining the overall aesthetic provided by the border.
Post by: cryworm on Tue, 10 March 2020, 14:48:58
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 10 March 2020, 14:49:04
The design is lovely, I personally find the layout to be interesting too - only real "downside" for me is the fact that it obviously benefits from an accented plate (be it brass or coloured aluminium) and I massively favour plastic plates but other than that, great.
The accent surrounding each group is actually separate from the switch plate. So you could still use a plastic plate if you wanted. I'll add that to the interest check form!
Now that's fantastic news.
Post by: batdog on Tue, 10 March 2020, 16:47:00
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 11 March 2020, 03:12:02
That's great! I'm not keen on metal plates, so I'm glad it'll have the option to have different materials.Are the plate and key border the same piece of metal?
No, I separated the Switch plate from the key border (I call it the Accent Plate for lack of a better term). This way the switch plate can be swapped out while maintaining the overall aesthetic provided by the border.
Any plans on specific layout support e.g. ISO? If you're not willing to have it in the default plate (which is totally fair enough), you can offer it in the PCB, and release plate files for people to get their own cut. ;)
Post by: Jof on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:24:10
Post by: Cobertt on Wed, 11 March 2020, 18:08:15
Post by: sumbody on Thu, 12 March 2020, 01:50:03
I think the 0.25U spacing around arrow cluster leads to a cleaner look.
Logo advice:
I'm not opposed to the logo being there but I think a slightly smaller size will appear more tasteful rather than tacky
Looking forward to the GB if it goes through! I really love these Mini-1800 layouts as I'm a fan of the separated arrow cluster.
Gasket or burger mount will be a bonus!
Post by: baobaozi on Thu, 12 March 2020, 06:54:33
Not so much a fan of the pushed out Esc, but it’s not a deal-breaker for me.
As long as it’s QMK programmable so I can get my `~ back (extremely necessary for web developers) it looks great!
Post by: child on Fri, 13 March 2020, 14:27:24
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Post by: child on Tue, 17 March 2020, 05:13:23
I suggest you make the logo smaller :)
+1
Post by: Glychd on Tue, 17 March 2020, 05:30:14
Post by: Arezok on Wed, 18 March 2020, 17:35:40
YIKES this looks really nice. I love the separated key clusters and the accent plate and even the separated ESC key. The only criticism I have is that the logo is kind of tacky looking to me, I'd rather have an extra key in that space.
I'm glad you like it! The front logo was thrown in as a placeholder and will be revised to be more subtle or will be removed in its entirety.
That's great! I'm not keen on metal plates, so I'm glad it'll have the option to have different materials.
Any plans on specific layout support e.g. ISO? If you're not willing to have it in the default plate (which is totally fair enough), you can offer it in the PCB, and release plate files for people to get their own cut. ;)
That's definitely going to be a question on the interest check form I'll be posting in the next few days!
May I suggest looking into 7V or Chimera65 and use a similar blocker spacing?
I think the 0.25U spacing around arrow cluster leads to a cleaner look.
Logo advice:
I'm not opposed to the logo being there but I think a slightly smaller size will appear more tasteful rather than tacky
Looking forward to the GB if it goes through! I really love these Mini-1800 layouts as I'm a fan of the separated arrow cluster.
Gasket or burger mount will be a bonus!
I appreciate the input -- I actually drew inspiration from both of those boards! I found that it was difficult to combine the border with the 0.25u separation. It either felt like the border was so thick that it was overwhelming or it was so thin that it was pointless to even have. The corner logo is definitely going to be updated or removed though.
Looks very nice! I’d be interested ;D
Not so much a fan of the pushed out Esc, but it’s not a deal-breaker for me.
As long as it’s QMK programmable so I can get my `~ back (extremely necessary for web developers) it looks great!
The plan is to provide QMK compatibility and split backspace support to give back the key I wrongfully took from web developers.
Really nice design. I'd love to see a white and black option if you're going to be doing more colorways.
Definitely planning more colorways depending on the outcome of the interest check!
Post by: Arezok on Fri, 20 March 2020, 15:36:07
Here it is: https://forms.gle/dJC1Aw7GTef5uPHt7
Post by: Jade on Fri, 20 March 2020, 22:32:57
Post by: Arezok on Sat, 28 March 2020, 01:59:56
Listening to everyone's feedback, two things were very obvious to me:
1) People disliked the size/tackiness of the logo in the upper right.
2) Given the option, people still wanted something in the corner, whether that was a logo/badge or another key.
Because of this, I revised the corner badge to something that I personally found to be more aesthetically pleasing. This freed up enough space in the upper right that I also decided to add an extra key to the right cluster, changing this from a 67 key to a 68 key layout.
In addition to this change, I've added split backspace and stepped caps lock support, added a centered USB port, included switch plate relief cutouts, and cleaned up a lot of the interior of the case.
I posted an updated interest check link to see how many people desired a hotswap option here: https://forms.gle/JnryR9ewp8j15sy98
Post by: danieljgrouse on Sat, 28 March 2020, 03:47:17
Post by: MyManMart on Sun, 29 March 2020, 22:45:17
Wireless??
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Post by: Glychd on Mon, 30 March 2020, 03:03:10
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Post by: Arezok on Mon, 30 March 2020, 15:29:52
Is the back weight an infinity? It also looks a bit like a bikini top
Well now I can't unsee that. But the weight is very much a work in progress. I really wanted to provide an update on the overall design changes since the initial post
very nice, the accent plate makes the board stand out. The bottom weight looks a little out of place to me, I'd like to see it more like the "infinity" symbols on the plate. Dunno, maybe a rectangular weight with engraving.
The bottom weight is definitely changing. I have a few ideas in mind that I'm going to mock up in fusion before I push out a more "final" model for a prototype to be manufactured.
I love that the plate has 2 cool S symbols on it.
:cool: :cool:
Post by: awstonedp on Mon, 30 March 2020, 17:08:18
very nice, the accent plate makes the board stand out. The bottom weight looks a little out of place to me, I'd like to see it more like the "infinity" symbols on the plate. Dunno, maybe a rectangular weight with engraving.That’s really the only thing that needs to change on this board
And your solution is 100% what he should do
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Post by: JustFluxz on Thu, 23 April 2020, 11:53:25
I really love this layout, but it definitely will be an adjustment losing the F-row, but that comes with this format of keyboards. I really like how the Esc is separated from the rest of the board, as well as the arrow and additional keys being separated too.
Post by: Kinesiologist on Thu, 07 May 2020, 19:39:22
QMK
USB-C connector
ESD protection
thank you
Post by: twoshoes on Sun, 10 May 2020, 23:59:30
Post by: KaosJ on Mon, 11 May 2020, 00:24:44
I also would suggest the logo a bit on the left (in the space between the 60% module and the right keys), above the arrows
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