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Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Fri, 25 June 2010, 05:58:14: Dang!
I searched the attic for some stuff and stumbled upon two keyboards of me ex-roommate. I have no idea what brand the first one is. Here are some pics of the cleaning process:

First, I popped it open. Literally, there weren't any screws.
(http://www.npshare.de/files/c9fb2151/DSC00029.JPG)

Crumble-tastic!
(http://www.npshare.de/files/b4ae029c/DSC00027.JPG)

The numlock, roll and capslock have integrated LEDs - nice! And yay, a spring!
(http://www.npshare.de/files/b5a549c9/DSC00028.JPG)

Circuit board on the back. The IC reads Intel.
(http://www.npshare.de/files/c142e893/DSC00030.JPG)

Sticker on the backside.
(http://www.npshare.de/files/535b2481/DSC00031.JPG)

Decrumbled....
(http://www.npshare.de/files/089658f4/DSC00032.JPG)

... and put together with every key cleaned seperatly.
(http://www.npshare.de/files/a28a82a9/DSC00033.JPG)

The typing is very smooth and very quiet. Feels nice =)

Next one:
Obviously a Commodore.
(http://www.npshare.de/files/9bcdebbe/DSC00034.JPG)

No doubt - a Commodore ;D
(http://www.npshare.de/files/8fbc4c97/DSC00035.JPG)

... for Windows. Din AT-Jack. (What a crumbly mess, btw)
(http://www.npshare.de/files/22ca6ba7/DSC00036.JPG)

Sticker on the backside.
(http://www.npshare.de/files/301db8c1/DSC00037.JPG)

Unfortunatly, the Commodore is strongly yellowed.

That's all - have fun identifying the first one!
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: sixty on Fri, 25 June 2010, 06:06:14: First one is a Fujitsu Peerless. There is only one thing to do with these switches. Burn it with fire, as soon as possible.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Fri, 25 June 2010, 06:08:45: Quote from: sixty;196210
First one is a Fujitsu Peerless. There is only one thing to do with these switches. Burn it with fire, as soon as possible.

rofl, why that? I'm going to give it to a friend =D
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: kishy on Fri, 25 June 2010, 10:21:44: Quote from: jensma;196211
rofl, why that? I'm going to give it to a friend =D

Won't be a friend for long...

BTW the second one looks like a rebadged BTC. Oughta be foil+foam capacitive, practically linear feel, and absolutely awful.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Fri, 25 June 2010, 10:29:02: Quote from: kishy;196269
Won't be a friend for long...

BTW the second one looks like a rebadged BTC. Oughta be foil+foam capacitive, practically linear feel, and absolutely awful.

I'm cleaning it right now - it has dome switches :|
It'll be at ebay this evening ;)
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: spolia optima on Fri, 25 June 2010, 12:23:24: It's a peerless.

I recommend 2 microdots of good acid and Pink Floyd's seminal classic "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" If you want to appreciate this magnificent keyboard.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: TexasFlood on Fri, 25 June 2010, 15:49:40: Quote from: kishy;196269
BTW the second one looks like a rebadged BTC.

Maybe a BTC 5140?
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 25 June 2010, 15:54:12: Those Peerless sliders remind me of the ones used in the Sun Type 5, except I'm pretty sure the Type 5 was just rubber domes.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: spolia optima on Fri, 25 June 2010, 17:29:01: Quote from: ch_123;196377
Those Peerless sliders remind me of the ones used in the Sun Type 5, except I'm pretty sure the Type 5 was just rubber domes.

close, but no cigar.
the type 5 is pretty solid, I'd use one over a peerless anyday.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11374&stc=1&d=1277504912)
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: kishy on Fri, 25 June 2010, 17:29:43: Quote from: TexasFlood;196376
Maybe a BTC 5140?

That's what I was thinking. I've parted ways with one in the same housing with same odd-sized Esc key recently. That one wasn't domes though.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: TexasFlood on Fri, 25 June 2010, 18:18:15: Quote from: TexasFlood;196376
Maybe a BTC 5140?

Quote from: kishy;196400
That's what I was thinking. I've parted ways with one in the same housing with same odd-sized Esc key recently. That one wasn't domes though.

Yup, per the number on the label, it's a BTC 5140 (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=49229&fcc_id=E5XKBM10410).
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 19:06:31: Inhaling dried mouse droppings can kill you.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: trievalot on Fri, 25 June 2010, 19:08:45: Quote from: gr1m;196468
Inhaling dried mouse droppings can kill you.

ill take the mouse droppings over your avatar in a dark alley anyday
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 19:11:15: I only mentioned it because he's digging up very dirty items from an attic, and chances are some of the "crumbs" actually are dried mouse droppings.

As for my avatar... yes, I would take the mouse droppings too. This isn't just a normal bunchie. It's the custom Troll-face gr1m Edition bunchie.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: TexasFlood on Fri, 25 June 2010, 19:11:43: Quote from: gr1m;196468
Inhaling dried mouse droppings can kill you.

True, there is at least Hanta Virus, not sure what else. Even if there wasn't, you might die from the willies.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 25 June 2010, 19:46:57: Quote from: gr1m;196468
Inhaling dried mouse droppings can kill you.

Only if you inhale so much mouse crap that if chokes you.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 20:17:37: Quote from: microsoft windows;196500
Only if you inhale so much mouse crap that if chokes you.

I knew you were a troll but I didn't know you were full-blown stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 25 June 2010, 21:00:52: Inhaling the feces is different than inhaling the microbes sustained by the feces. MS Win is not full-blown stupid, but your phrasing was.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 21:10:26: I said inhaling mouse droppings can kill you. And the truth is, they can if they contain Hanta virus. My phrasing was fine?
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: kishy on Fri, 25 June 2010, 21:28:19: Quote from: gr1m;196525
I said inhaling mouse droppings can kill you. And the truth is, they can if they contain Hanta virus. My phrasing was fine?

Your phrasing is correct, but at the same time the air in a room containing (a large amount of) rodent feces is the same if not worse (because you can't see the threat).
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 25 June 2010, 22:24:49: I didn't say you were incorrect, just that your phrasing was full-blown stupid.

It's very doubtful that jensma is going to be inhaling mouse turds. The particulates that are airborne and containing the virii are what you are most likely referring to. While your statement was not incorrect, your phrasing WAS problematic because it did not CONVEY the message you intended. Your phrasing made more than one person here imagine jensma sucking entire mouse turds by the mouthful to the point that it killed him.

It's not the mouse poop that kills, it's the virus. It would be VERY difficult for the mouse poop itself to be the cause of death. Aspiration or asphyxiation COULD do it, but it would take a lot of mouse poo or some really bad luck.

Now do you understand that MS Win was not trolling, and neither was I? While it is helpful to point out the risks and dangers of dealing with rodent feces, it seemed as much like a trolling statement to the rest of us as any I've seen, especially considering the way it was worded.

Also, jensma is in Germany, and it appears the carrier of the variants of hanta in Deutschland are voles encountered by farmers, it is not that likely that any feces that MIGHT have been encountered (we still don't even know if there was any to begin with) would be infected with hanta.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: gr1m on Fri, 25 June 2010, 23:27:37: I said inhaling DRIED mouse droppings. When it dries, it can crumble and the particles can be inhaled just like normal dust. It is most likely these dried, crumbled mouse-poop particles that contain the Hanta virus.

You're nit-picking to an excess. I did not accuse you of trolling, nor did I accuse you of saying that I was incorrect. However, I am sure my statement managed to convey exactly what I meant. Mouse poop containing Hanta virus can dry, disintegrate and be inhaled, killing the recipient.

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Still, the story of the store clerk cleaning the stockroom and contracting a hantavirus is not preposterous. In fact, a scenario on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website sounds similar, involving someone cleaning out a seldom used, rodent infested area, and contracting the virus after breathing in dust particles from the dried rat droppings. The excretions of diseased rats can indeed pose a health threat to humans (see resources below for cautionary information).
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrats2.htm
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Sat, 26 June 2010, 05:26:48: I inhaled the mouse droppings right after I munched dried rat turds.

Got a sick feeling now.

... just kidding, I'm fine.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 26 June 2010, 06:03:28: How common is the Hanta virus?
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Sat, 26 June 2010, 06:33:12: Quote from: ch_123;196627
How common is the Hanta virus?

I never heard of it before :D
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 26 June 2010, 06:39:01: I have, but really only from American sources. I wonder how common it is elsewhere.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 26 June 2010, 10:14:18: Quote from: gr1m;196468
Inhaling dried mouse droppings can kill you.

The risk to a mouse when inhaling human droppings is far greater.

We win. Take that, puny rodents!
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: quadibloc on Sat, 26 June 2010, 10:24:21: Hantavirus has been found in Alberta, I remember reading recently. Originally, it was mostly found in the Four Corners area of the western United States.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Oqsy on Sat, 26 June 2010, 15:06:31: There are several strains of hanta virus, and not all are fatal, and not all are found in all places with rodents. In the US there are roughly 40-60 cases of hanta in each of the four corners states per year. That means four states out of 50, each with less than 100 confirmed cases. On the whole, it's a VERY UNCOMMON virus in human populations in the US. Let's go with the high end of the average for those states...

4 states x 60 annual cases = 240 cases total

307,000,000 people in the US / 240 cases/yr = 1 case per 1.28 million people

The chances are below one in a million that you'd contract Hanta in the U.S. in any given year.

Other nations have other strains with different characteristics, with far too many details to get into here. Some are even able to be spread from human to human, but many of these do not have the fatal outcomes typically associated with Hanta.

Nice peerless. I found an old style peerless at work a while back, and the backlash against peerless on this site was enough to make me pretend it never happened. I left the board there and never looked back.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Sat, 26 June 2010, 18:08:38: Quote from: ripster;196717
Yet another post turning into an advertisement for NIB keyboards.

Let's prevent it.

This thread is now about bananas:
(http://www.npshare.de/files/eb631c01/bigbanana.jpg)
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: TexasFlood on Sat, 26 June 2010, 18:21:55: Quote from: jensma;196762
Let's prevent it.

This thread is now about bananas:
Show Image
(http://www.npshare.de/files/eb631c01/bigbanana.jpg)

In a keyboard forum?
(http://www.deadinsect.co.uk/images/banana.jpg)
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: spolia optima on Mon, 28 June 2010, 04:18:18: I really love how a thread about the fujitsu peerless was segued into a thread about hantavirus.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Mon, 28 June 2010, 08:17:45: Haven't tried Hanta yet, but I doubt the Peerless is that terrible.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: TexasFlood on Mon, 28 June 2010, 09:11:55: Quote from: spolia optima;197094
I really love how a thread about the fujitsu peerless was segued into a thread about hantavirus.

And bananas.

Ba-NA-na.
A yellow fruit. Also, a kind of pudding. A delicious pudding.
Anna Banana would like to hear "Venus" by Bananarama. Banana!
B-A-N-A-N-A. Banana.
When I go to Albertson's, I need to buy some Mitchum Ice Blast... and bananas.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Oqsy on Mon, 28 June 2010, 10:01:21: (http://memorylaneminis.com/shop/images/mouse-in-banana.JPG)

"The circle is now complete."
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: spolia optima on Mon, 28 June 2010, 13:35:05: Quote from: TexasFlood;197146
And bananas.

Ba-NA-na.
A yellow fruit. Also, a kind of pudding. A delicious pudding.
Anna Banana would like to hear "Venus" by Bananarama. Banana!
B-A-N-A-N-A. Banana.
When I go to Albertson's, I need to buy some Mitchum Ice Blast... and bananas.

Did you know that bananas are actually berries? Crazy huh.
The original American banana, the ones that your parents put in their cereal, was called the gros michel (big mike). It was longer, girthier, and far more delicious than the little chinese cavendish that we eat today. Unfortunately, the gros michel was wiped out by Sigatoga virus in the 50's, what a shame.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: jensma on Mon, 28 June 2010, 15:58:00: Quote from: spolia optima;197274
Did you know that bananas are actually berries? Crazy huh.
The original American banana, the ones that your parents put in their cereal, was called the gros michel (big mike). It was longer, girthier, and far more delicious than the little chinese cavendish that we eat today. Unfortunately, the gros michel was wiped out by Sigatoga virus in the 50's, what a shame.

My parents did what?
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 28 June 2010, 16:02:27: Quote
It was longer, girthier, and far more delicious than... that we eat today.

That's what she said.
Title: Identify me #2 - Treasure from the attic
Post by: Oqsy on Mon, 28 June 2010, 17:40:53: I like fruit with girth.